From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 13 Sep 2000 00:31:55 -0000 Issue 89 Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:32 PM krnet Digest 13 Sep 2000 00:31:55 -0000 Issue 89 Topics (messages 1980 through 2008): glueing plywood skins 1980 by: Timothy Brown 1982 by: larry flesner 1983 by: Robert Stone 1984 by: Frank Ross Re: cowling mold 1981 by: macwood update 1985 by: Mark Langford 1990 by: Schmidt, Curtis glueing skins 1986 by: Timothy Brown 1987 by: Mark Jones 2000 by: Robert Stone 2001 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 2008 by: Frank Ross YAHOO! club 1988 by: John P. Adams A question for the group. 1989 by: John P. Adams LANDING GEAR 1991 by: Schmidt, Curtis 1993 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 1994 by: Richard Parker 1995 by: Schmidt, Curtis 2005 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com TIRES 1992 by: Schmidt, Curtis 1997 by: Frank Ross 2007 by: Tim Bellville Chefs needed!!!!! 1996 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 1998 by: Steven Eberhart 1999 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 2002 by: David Busby 2003 by: Frank Ross 2004 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 2006 by: FRED SMITH Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:00:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: glueing plywood skins Message-ID: <20000911040033.80098.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> I am about to glue the plywood skins to the spruce. RR says to use staples as "clamps" with string underneath to remove staples. QUESTION: Why can't one just apply glue to the skin and spruce and add weight to "clamp"? I have 3 boxes of Bruce hardwood flooring that weigh about 35 to 40 pounds each. Why can't I glue the skin, lay in the spruce and apply the boxed flooring on top as weight? Or, apply the glue to the spruce and skin, set the skin on top of the spruce and lay the weight on the ply? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I will be doing what ever I do starting Tuesday PM. Thanks. Tim (timwbrown@yahoo.com) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:15:28 -0500 To: Timothy Brown , Group KR NET From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> glueing plywood skins Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000911061528.0085c100@mail.midwest.net> At 09:00 PM 9/10/00 -0700, Timothy Brown wrote: >I am about to glue the plywood skins to the spruce. >RR says to use staples as "clamps" with string >underneath to remove staples. > >QUESTION: Why can't one just apply glue to the skin >and spruce and add weight to "clamp"? >Tim (timwbrown@yahoo.com) >================================================================= Tim, Anything or any method that holds the ply in contact with the spruce until the glue dries will work. Remember, epoxy does not require much clamping pressure. Contact is all you need. The staple gun with the string trick works well and is why they recommend it. Most builders have a staple gun. Few have boxes of flooring!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:57:41 -0500 To: "Timothy Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> glueing plywood skins Message-ID: <000d01c01be7$7e27b260$0101a8c0@pavilion> Tim: The only way to use weight rather than staples or clamping is sandbags. They insure even weight distribution. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: KR> glueing plywood skins > I am about to glue the plywood skins to the spruce. > RR says to use staples as "clamps" with string > underneath to remove staples. > > QUESTION: Why can't one just apply glue to the skin > and spruce and add weight to "clamp"? > > I have 3 boxes of Bruce hardwood flooring that weigh > about 35 to 40 pounds each. Why can't I glue the > skin, lay in the spruce and apply the boxed flooring > on top as weight? Or, apply the glue to the spruce > and skin, set the skin on top of the spruce and lay > the weight on the ply? > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I will be > doing what ever I do starting Tuesday PM. > > Thanks. > > Tim (timwbrown@yahoo.com) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:26:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Timothy Brown , Group KR NET From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> glueing plywood skins Message-ID: <20000911122639.16936.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Timothy Brown wrote: > I am about to glue the plywood skins to the spruce. > RR says to use staples as "clamps" with string > underneath to remove staples. > > QUESTION: Why can't one just apply glue to the skin > and spruce and add weight to "clamp"? > I have 3 boxes of Bruce hardwood flooring that weigh > Thanks. > Tim (timwbrown@yahoo.com) It will be a lot easier to be certain everything is lined up right with staples. You could use any kind of weights, but if something slips and gets epoxied out of alignment, the whole piece is shot. Once everything is under those boxes of flooring it will be hard to tell how well they are lined up. Also, you may have a severe weight and balance problem with one of those boxes of flooring glued to one side of the fuselage. You know how, when you're eating pancakes and the table syrup seems to end up in the wierdest places? Did you ever notice how much epoxy is like table syrup? Besides, this is a great excuse to buy all the clamps you ever wanted. Also you can make a ton of clamps with a length of PVC cut into one-inch pieces, and cut across one side like a C. Good luck, Tim. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:20:36 +0100 To: "Peter Nauta" From: "macwood" Cc: "krnet user group" Subject: Re: KR> cowling mold Message-ID: <001101c01bda$03ea96a0$46d6b0c2@tinypc> Hi Peter, I used Dan Diehl's wing skins ,and was concerned about bonding at the spar. In fact you can see any cavity through the skin,and so ensure full contact. As I was the first in UK to use them our PFA were a bit concerned about this,but I think they are happy about it now. The other thing I had to do was to make inspection panels in each bay, and through these you could check the internal fillets of skin to spar and skin to rib bonds. I had to build up some, and this I did with a sealing gun, modified with a long nozzle and filled with a "honey" flox. If you do one side at a time and rotate the wing 90degs after setting,you can get the flox to flow into an ideal fillet . Cheers Mac ,England ---- Original Message ----- From: Peter Nauta To: Krnet@Mailinglists. Org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:13 PM Subject: RE: KR> cowling mold > Mark, > > I might start building in this next year; I plan to build a trigear "S"with > the new foils. If there are plans to make wing skins for the new AS foils, > and I can convince the local authorities that's a good idea, I'll be in the > market for them, as I am sort of held back by the idea of constructing a > laminar flow wing while having zero experience with composites. So, if > you're doing market research here, see this as a possible sale. > > Questions: > 1. I have no idea the way a wing is actually constructed using wing skins. > How is a positive adhesion between spar and sking reached, as the spar has > to be sanded down to the exact profile, and glueing ths to the skin can't be > checked for bonding area, or are the skins transparent enough to be able to > check this? > 2. Are 18% foils being considered, because I would like to accomodate for > fuel tanks in the wing roots rather than a tank aft of the firewall "in your > lap". > > Regards, > > Peter Nauta > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] > > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:45 AM > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: KR> cowling mold > > > > > > CowlHeads, > > > > I played hookie from work Tuesday afternoon and visited Troy in Columbia. > > He and Jeff Duval were planning to pull a mold off of Troy's cowling and > > make themselves two lighter ones. Jeff has a similar engine > > intallation to > > Troy's C-85, and since Troy's already got the bulges and blisters in the > > right places, it was a no-brainer. After all of the reworking over the > > years for several different engine configurations (not to mention crash > > damage), Troy's cowling had blossomed to 17 pounds! Hence, the > > carbon fiber > > scheme was born. > > > > What is truly amazing is the lack of effort they really put into > > this. They > > were both in a big hurry because of Troy's limited time off from flight > > duties, and the close proximity of the Gathering. They lightly sanded > > Troy's cowling, waxed it several times, shot on a quick coat of PVA, and > > laid up a layer of mat glass, 2 or 3 layers of KR glass cloth (with > > polyester resin), and let it cure. A few hours later the molds popped > > right off the parts. More wax and mold release and the carbon fiber (3 > > layers for the top half, two for the bottom) wetted out with > > epoxy were laid > > up on the mold, and the next day, a cowling was born! The new cowlings > > weigh 3 pounds each and look fantastic! And they really made it > > look easy. > > > > It's probably safe to say that not only might there soon be a source for > > lightweight C-85/0-200 cowlings, but quite possibly AS5046 wing skins and > > other parts too. I may very well clone my Corvair cowling when I > > finish it. > > There's no sense in us all reinventing the wheel everytime we build one of > > these things. I've already got dibs on Troy's old cowling, so don't ask. > > Stay tuned... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:33:41 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: update Message-ID: <000701c01c48$b89501d0$a5f780ce@300emachine> My wife came home this afternoon and said "Gee, Dear. Somebody parked an airplane in our driveway".... http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html#update Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 06:19:00 -0700 To: "Mark Langford" , "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: RE: KR> update Message-ID: <0001548D@kaydon.com> HEY MARK: My wife has said basically the same thing except it went more like," hey, s= ome a@@h$%^ parked there airplane in MY drive way!!!!" CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [SMTP:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:29 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Cc: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: KR> update My wife came home this afternoon and said "Gee, Dear. Somebody parked an airplane in our driveway".... http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html#update Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:27:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: glueing skins Message-ID: <20000912022720.46664.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> To my question about using staples to glue on the skins vs weighing it down without staples, thanks to all that replied. I guess it's staples only. Most indicate that it is just too hard to insure even pressure and non-movement to use weight. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:49:42 -0500 To: Timothy Brown , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: KR> glueing skins Message-ID: <39BD99C6.E2881E98@execpc.com> I have to disagree with the staple crowd. The way I made my fuselage sides was by doing the 5/8 spruce frame first including gussets. Once the frame was all epoxied and the gussets were in place then the skin side of the frame was covered with a heavy coat of T-88. I then proceeded to lay the 3/32 mahogany plywood over the frame and used weights to ensure a positive contact between skin and frame. Worked for me and I did not have to deal with the staples and the unsightly holes they leave in your skins. Timothy Brown wrote: > To my question about using staples to glue on the > skins vs weighing it down without staples, thanks to > all that replied. I guess it's staples only. Most > indicate that it is just too hard to insure even > pressure and non-movement to use weight. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:19:04 -0500 To: "Mark Jones" , "Timothy Brown" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> glueing skins Message-ID: <002901c01ccc$d88b7c60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Mark: It sounds like you did your fuselage skins the same way I did mine. That is construct the frame in 5/8th spruce glue all the block gussets in place and let dry. Cover the entire frame with glue (I used 50/50 epoxy, T-88 was not around then) when the glued on skin dries, trim around the frame with a saber saw, sand to finish. I also used sand bags to put pressure on the skin while drying. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Timothy Brown" ; Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: Re: KR> glueing skins > I have to disagree with the staple crowd. The way I made my fuselage > sides was by doing the 5/8 spruce frame first including gussets. Once the > frame was all epoxied and the gussets were in place then the skin side of > the frame was covered with a heavy coat of T-88. I then proceeded to lay > the 3/32 mahogany plywood over the frame and used weights to ensure a > positive contact between skin and frame. Worked for me and I did not have > to deal with the staples and the unsightly holes they leave in your > skins. > > Timothy Brown wrote: > > > To my question about using staples to glue on the > > skins vs weighing it down without staples, thanks to > > all that replied. I guess it's staples only. Most > > indicate that it is just too hard to insure even > > pressure and non-movement to use weight. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:40:00 -0500 (CDT) To: "Robert Stone" From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> glueing skins Message-Id: <200009121540.e8CFe0Q93114@pop2.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> Exactly!!! The best way to do it. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > Mark: It sounds like you did your fuselage skins the same way I did mine. > That is construct the frame in 5/8th spruce glue all the block gussets in > place and let dry. Cover the entire frame with glue (I used 50/50 epoxy, > T-88 was not around then) when the glued on skin dries, trim around the > frame with a saber saw, sand to finish. I also used sand bags to put > pressure on the skin while drying. > > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "Timothy Brown" ; > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: KR> glueing skins > > > > I have to disagree with the staple crowd. The way I made my fuselage > > sides was by doing the 5/8 spruce frame first including gussets. Once the > > frame was all epoxied and the gussets were in place then the skin side of > > the frame was covered with a heavy coat of T-88. I then proceeded to lay > > the 3/32 mahogany plywood over the frame and used weights to ensure a > > positive contact between skin and frame. Worked for me and I did not have > > to deal with the staples and the unsightly holes they leave in your > > skins. > > > > Timothy Brown wrote: > > > > > To my question about using staples to glue on the > > > skins vs weighing it down without staples, thanks to > > > all that replied. I guess it's staples only. Most > > > indicate that it is just too hard to insure even > > > pressure and non-movement to use weight. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > -- > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:31:21 -0700 (PDT) To: Robert Stone , Mark Jones , Timothy Brown , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> glueing skins Message-ID: <20000913003121.25488.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Tim, I must stand corrected. My thoughts on using staples are not based on the experience of Mark and Bob and others who have tried out alternative methods and found success and made improvements. That's why they call it "experimental"... Frank Ross --- Robert Stone wrote: > Mark: It sounds like you did your fuselage skins > the same way I did mine. > That is construct the frame in 5/8th spruce glue all > the block gussets in > place and let dry. Cover the entire frame with glue > (I used 50/50 epoxy, > T-88 was not around then) when the glued on skin > dries, trim around the > frame with a saber saw, sand to finish. I also used > sand bags to put > pressure on the skin while drying. > > > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "Timothy Brown" ; > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: KR> glueing skins > > > > I have to disagree with the staple crowd. The way > I made my fuselage > > sides was by doing the 5/8 spruce frame first > including gussets. Once the > > frame was all epoxied and the gussets were in > place then the skin side of > > the frame was covered with a heavy coat of T-88. I > then proceeded to lay > > the 3/32 mahogany plywood over the frame and used > weights to ensure a > > positive contact between skin and frame. Worked > for me and I did not have > > to deal with the staples and the unsightly holes > they leave in your > > skins. > > > > Timothy Brown wrote: > > > > > To my question about using staples to glue on > the > > > skins vs weighing it down without staples, > thanks to > > > all that replied. I guess it's staples only. > Most > > > indicate that it is just too hard to insure even > > > pressure and non-movement to use weight. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > -- > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:12:40 -0500 To: From: "John P. Adams" Subject: YAHOO! club Message-ID: <002601c01c67$50b7b5c0$87defe3f@mechanic> ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C01C3D.66CD7EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, though I would pass this on. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/krsig Nice little Yahoo! club dedicated to the second-best plane in the world = (the 747-400 has that title of COOLEST plane in the WORLD, and will = always keep it). John Paul Adams loganv@prodigy.net "...Dream of thing that have never been, and ask 'Why not?'." ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C01C3D.66CD7EA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:18:44 -0500 To: From: "John P. Adams" Subject: A question for the group. Message-ID: <001101c01c68$2bf7a3c0$87defe3f@mechanic> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C01C3E.3F8F9B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, I don't have a KR yet, but I have been studying them. From what I = gather they are a bit pitch sensitive. I have also read that adding = aileron gap seals make the roll control very heavy. Has anyone tried = putting gap seals on the elevators? could make them a bit heavier. John Paul Adams loganv@prodigy.net "...Dream of thing that have never been, and ask 'Why not?'." ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C01C3E.3F8F9B60-- ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 06:25:00 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: LANDING GEAR Message-ID: <00015495@kaydon.com> HEY PAUL: I haven't had any luck selling my retracts, so if you want to post yours al= so, please, be my guest! Hope you have better luck than I did! Thanks CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:29:00 -0500 (CDT) To: "Schmidt, Curtis" From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> LANDING GEAR Message-Id: <200009121229.e8CCT0313651@pop4.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> I actually had to give mine away after I had no buyers. It also took a while for someone to take them off my hands. They did pay shipping charges though. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > HEY PAUL: > I haven't had any luck selling my retracts, so if you want to post yours also, please, be my guest! > Hope you have better luck than I did! > Thanks > CURTIS R SCHMIDT > CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING > LARNED KANSAS USA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:39:13 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> LANDING GEAR Message-ID: I think there are really only 2 pairs of original retracts in the world and they just keep changing hands. When I first started building, a guy in the Portland Oregon area gave me a set for free, they gathered dust under my workbench for a while in New Hampshire until I realized that I didnt want to use them, so I sent them to California for free. I dont know if they are gathering dust under Mike Mims bench or if they've moved on yet. They would make a great set of gear for a kids pedal plane though. :-) Rich Parker Peterborough NH _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 08:53:00 -0700 To: "Richard Parker" , "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: RE: KR> LANDING GEAR Message-ID: <00015621@kaydon.com> HEY RICHARD: Sorry to say, but these gear or not your long lost set, but if you really w= ould like to have 'em for sentimental reasons we could probably work something out!!! Ha! Ha! I'll probably just use them for aluminum stock or something! At any rate, t= hey are going in the pile with piece of s@#$ airplane number one!!! :( CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker [SMTP:richontheroad@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:38 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Cc: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: Re: KR> LANDING GEAR I think there are really only 2 pairs of original retracts in the world and they just keep changing hands. When I first started building, a guy in the Portland Oregon area gave me a set for free, they gathered dust under my workbench for a while in New Hampshire until I realized that I didnt want t= o use them, so I sent them to California for free. I dont know if they are gathering dust under Mike Mims bench or if they've moved on yet. They would make a great set of gear for a kids pedal plane though. :-) Rich Parker Peterborough NH _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:10:12 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Fwd: KR> LANDING GEAR Message-ID: --part1_c0.90ddb0b.26f003c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/00 6:08:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KR2 616TJ writes: << In a message dated 9/12/00 9:55:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschmidt@kaydon.com writes: << I'll probably just use them for aluminum stock or something! At any rate, they are going in the pile with piece of s@#$ airplane number one!!! :( >> That big ol alum. bar stock is one inch think and is just right for machining out spacers if you need to move your VW forward a little. Other than that, BTW Rich I think I gave you my old retracts in Columbia............. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ >> --part1_c0.90ddb0b.26f003c4_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Full-name: KR2 616TJ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:08:52 EDT Subject: Re: KR> LANDING GEAR To: cschmidt@kaydon.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 9/12/00 9:55:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschmidt@kaydon.com writes: << I'll probably just use them for aluminum stock or something! At any rate, they are going in the pile with piece of s@#$ airplane number one!!! :( >> That big ol alum. bar stock is one inch think and is just right for machining out spacers if you need to move your VW forward a little. Other than that, BTW Rich I think I gave you my old retracts in Columbia............. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ --part1_c0.90ddb0b.26f003c4_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 06:31:00 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: TIRES Message-ID: <0001549A@kaydon.com> HEY GUYS: The other day some fellow said he found a set of tires for his airplane at = the motorcycle shop and was going to Post the particulars for us! Has anyone been in touch with him or know how = I can get a hold of him? I deleted his message before it had a chance to sink in! Thanks CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:21:00 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Tires Message-ID: <20000912142100.10504.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tim Bellville wrote: > Hey everyone , > I was at the local motocycle shop the other day and > found some great 5x5.00 > tries for my Sonerai. > One of the problems with spring type landing gear is > that the wheels do not > have a constant ,"toe in -toe out", due to different > weight loads and turns. > the problem with using a "Saw tooth" type tire is > that it wants to ride on > the sidewall. > these new tires are shaped more like a wheel > barrough tire with tread going > well down the side wall. > They cost $14.00 ea. > I'll have A manufacture and part number in a couple > days and let everone > know how they work out. > Tim Curtis, If Tim has come back with the manufacturer and part numbers yet, I missed it. This is all I can find. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:27:10 -0400 To: "Schmidt, Curtis" , From: "Tim Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> TIRES Message-ID: <008001c01d19$5bee36a0$d1d12581@default> I haven't gotten back to the motorcycle shop yet but they are 4 Ply code B. More to follow later Tim Sonerai I N2206X ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schmidt, Curtis" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: KR> TIRES HEY GUYS: The other day some fellow said he found a set of tires for his airplane at the motorcycle shop and was going to Post the particulars for us! Has anyone been in touch with him or know how I can get a hold of him? I deleted his message before it had a chance to sink in! Thanks CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:07:53 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Chefs needed!!!!! Message-ID: The ol ever changing gathering plans have changed again. Of course at the last minute. The catering service that provided our dinner Friday evening and lunch Saturday afternoon last year.............and who I a contracted with to do the same this year, has gone out of business. Here's the dilemma, everywhere I call, I have to personally pay a guaranteed number of meals up front. If I guarantee 125 meals, I have to come up with somewhere between $900 & $1000 of my own money. If the weather turns sour...........I'm out the money. We do have money carried forward from year to year but by the time you buy T-shirts, hats, award, deposit on rooms, and so on, it's hard not to have to dig into your own pocket for a couple of weeks until after the gathering. I'm not willing at this time to guarantee an exact number to "eaters" until I hear from you guys. Here's a thought, I need about 5-6 guys to volunteer to do some grilling out of burgers, hot dogs, barbecue, etc. Friday evening and Saturday lunch. We also need about the same number of people to bring along a grill to do this cooking and also the same number to bring coolers for drinks. I really, really, really need the help so I'm hoping your guys will step up and lend a hand. I need to know if this is going to work in a hurry so that I can make plans. Remember, this gathering is for all of us and hopefully it is a joint party so please lend a hand. Respond on the net so everyone knows how it is going if you don't mind. Thanks Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:29:58 -0500 (CDT) To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: Steven Eberhart cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Chefs needed!!!!! Message-ID: Dana, Put me and Larry Helming down for burger flippers or what ever you want us to do. We will be arriving Friday morning, weather permitting, and the 172 doesn't let me down. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:05:01 -0500 (CDT) To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Chefs needed!!!!! Message-Id: <200009121505.e8CF51377319@pop4.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> Dana, We (the family and I) will be flying in commercially so I can not bring a grill or coolers. However, I will be glad to grill or do whatever is needed. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > The ol ever changing gathering plans have changed again. Of course at the > last minute. > > The catering service that provided our dinner Friday evening and lunch > Saturday afternoon last year.............and who I a contracted with to do > the same this year, has gone out of business. Here's the dilemma, everywhere > I call, I have to personally pay a guaranteed number of meals up front. If I > guarantee 125 meals, I have to come up with somewhere between $900 & $1000 of > my own money. If the weather turns sour...........I'm out the money. We do > have money carried forward from year to year but by the time you buy > T-shirts, hats, award, deposit on rooms, and so on, it's hard not to have to > dig into your own pocket for a couple of weeks until after the gathering. > I'm not willing at this time to guarantee an exact number to "eaters" until I > hear from you guys. > > Here's a thought, I need about 5-6 guys to volunteer to do some grilling out > of burgers, hot dogs, barbecue, etc. Friday evening and Saturday lunch. We > also need about the same number of people to bring along a grill to do this > cooking and also the same number to bring coolers for drinks. I really, > really, really need the help so I'm hoping your guys will step up and lend a > hand. I need to know if this is going to work in a hurry so that I can make > plans. Remember, this gathering is for all of us and hopefully it is a joint > party so please lend a hand. > > Respond on the net so everyone knows how it is going if you don't mind. > > Thanks > > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:56:35 -0500 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: "David Busby" CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Chefs needed!!!!! Message-ID: <39BE7C62.61E583DC@jefcoed.com> --------------BB9FF271E429B974A88A3D6A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First time to post but I've been reading for several months now. I'll be glad to bring a couple of coolers and be glad to help out cooking or whatever--flying up in a Cessna, so it depends on the weather. > Remember, this gathering is for all of us and hopefully it is a joint > party so please lend a hand. > > Respond on the net so everyone knows how it is going if you don't mind. > --------------BB9FF271E429B974A88A3D6A-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:03:31 -0700 (PDT) To: flykr2s@execpc.com, KR2616TJ@aol.com From: Frank Ross Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Chefs needed!!!!! Message-ID: <20000912200331.18232.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> I'm driving in Thursday night. I will help anyway needed. Can't bring a grill, but will bring a cooler or buy one when I get there to donate, if necessary. BTW I am not getting all the postings. Didn't get Dana's but did get the two answers on the net now. It's probably my yahoo again. Yahoo is the right name for it. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX --- flykr2s@execpc.com wrote: > Dana, > We (the family and I) will be flying in > commercially so I can not > bring a grill or coolers. However, I will be glad to > grill or do > whatever is needed. > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > > > > > The ol ever changing gathering plans have changed > again. Of course > at the > > last minute. > > > > The catering service that provided our dinner > Friday evening and > lunch > > Saturday afternoon last year.............and who I > a contracted with > to do > > the same this year, has gone out of business. > Here's the dilemma, > everywhere > > I call, I have to personally pay a guaranteed > number of meals up > front. If I > > guarantee 125 meals, I have to come up with > somewhere between $900 & > $1000 of > > my own money. If the weather turns > sour...........I'm out the > money. We do > > have money carried forward from year to year but > by the time you buy > > T-shirts, hats, award, deposit on rooms, and so > on, it's hard not to > have to > > dig into your own pocket for a couple of weeks > until after the > gathering. > > I'm not willing at this time to guarantee an exact > number to > "eaters" until I > > hear from you guys. > > > > Here's a thought, I need about 5-6 guys to > volunteer to do some > grilling out > > of burgers, hot dogs, barbecue, etc. Friday > evening and Saturday > lunch. We > > also need about the same number of people to bring > along a grill to > do this > > cooking and also the same number to bring coolers > for drinks. I > really, > > really, really need the help so I'm hoping your > guys will step up > and lend a > > hand. I need to know if this is going to work in > a hurry so that I > can make > > plans. Remember, this gathering is for all of us > and hopefully it > is a joint > > party so please lend a hand. > > > > Respond on the net so everyone knows how it is > going if you don't > mind. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Dana Overall > > 2000 KR Gathering host > > Richmond, KY > > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:04:20 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Chefs needed!!!!! Message-ID: <41.c024d3.26f00264@aol.com> Guys, I just talked with the management of the park and I think we can do better than $6.95 for a cold box lunch. The cookout is on. Bring anything you have but we are going to need about 3-4 grills. Now the search is on............any available grills please raise your hand. Melody Mountains (old joke) has volunteered to be the cook, wait until you see "burgers flop", OH I mean "flip"........... Seriously, we need grills. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:56:58 -0500 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: FRED SMITH CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Chefs needed!!!!! Message-ID: <39BEB4BA.CD7BBC29@bushnell.net> KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > Guys, I just talked with the management of the park and I think we can do > better than $6.95 for a cold box lunch. > > The cookout is on. Bring anything you have but we are going to need about > 3-4 grills. Now the search is on............any available grills please > raise your hand. Melody Mountains (old joke) has volunteered to be the cook, > wait until you see "burgers flop", OH I mean "flip"........... > > Seriously, we need grills. > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY dana, I will drive in Friday and am willing to cook. Will bring my propane gas grill and my sons. also a cooler. I would have let you know sooner but I just read my e-mails. I will be there fri and sat nights and will plan on getting there a little earlier. thanks, Fred Smith ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************