From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 16 Sep 2000 20:08:15 -0000 Issue 91 Date: Saturday, September 16, 2000 12:08 PM krnet Digest 16 Sep 2000 20:08:15 -0000 Issue 91 Topics (messages 2032 through 2061): Re: Pilot's operating handbook 2032 by: AviationMech.aol.com 2043 by: Wolf Packs, Inc 2044 by: EagleGator.aol.com fiberglass 2033 by: Boyers last vertical 2034 by: Timothy Brown 2036 by: Mark Langford 2037 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 2038 by: Ronald R. Eason eXplanes.com forums 2035 by: Mike Mims 2039 by: Mike Mims 7 degree angle cut 2040 by: ACMan5548.aol.com 2041 by: Edwin Blocher Gasoline 2042 by: Edwin Blocher Re: Quality/WORLDWIDE - Mike Mims 2045 by: Don Woodard 2047 by: Mike Mims kr layups 2046 by: T152GMAN.aol.com 2049 by: HAshraf.aol.com Re: glueing plywood skins 2048 by: michael beck 2052 by: Ross Youngblood 2053 by: Mike Mims Jim Sellars' "incident" 2050 by: Mark Langford 2058 by: Gaston Landry 2059 by: Gaston Landry WAFs and wing attach brackets 2051 by: Mark Langford IFR training in Arizona? 2054 by: Ross Youngblood high horsepower and vertical stab. 2055 by: JAMES 2057 by: Mark Langford accident reports 2056 by: Oscar Zuniga 2060 by: Kyle Grant Quality/Worldwide 2061 by: Don Woodard Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:00:40 EDT To: humidors@sover.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Pilot's operating handbook Message-ID: <4f.d1fa93.26f2dcc8@aol.com> In a message dated 9/14/00 9:56:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, humidors@sover.net writes: << what to put together for a standard plans built KR2 >> I had thought about that lately and have a few notes scribbled in pencil it would great if we on the net could develope a good one for all of us. I'll tidy my notes and post them in a few days. Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:49:42 -0700 To: Michael Geoghegan , "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Wolf Packs, Inc" Subject: Re: KR> Pilot's operating handbook Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000915104128.00ae0440@pop.mindspring.com> Michael, For a POH I printed a single sheet of 8.5 X 11 paper (both sides) with pre-flight checks, expected operating speeds, and emergency procedures. It left much to be desired. The inspector glanced at it for about 2 seconds and went on to other paperwork. Check out a certified airplane's POH and copy or modify the essential parts to fit your plane. >I have a question for those who have passed the airworthiness >inspection. What have others come up with for >the pilot's operating handbook (POH). I understand that this is needed >but I'm not sure what to put together for a standard plans built KR2. Paul Martin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:39:29 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Pilot's operating handbook Message-ID: I've got the beginnings of a POH in work, based in part on one I believe Mike Mims had for a Quicky or Q2, can't remember. I don't have any real numbers in it yet, but the skeleton is there. I'll try to get it posted somewhere this weekend, but if you're in a hurry send me an off-net email and I'll send you a copy directly. Cheers, Rick Junkin, St. Charles MO EagleGator@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:42:48 -0500 To: From: "Boyers" Subject: fiberglass Message-ID: <001201c01ebe$a47626c0$a32be6cf@ou812> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C01E94.B977C080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fellow netters, just a note to see if anyone wants a revmaster cowl or = wheel pants(thanks Mark) being that I'll be at the gathering. = Cowl=3D$180. Pants=3D$50.a piece.Looking forward to meeting many of you. = p.s Horse trading is always a option. Ken ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C01E94.B977C080-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:42:41 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: last vertical Message-ID: <20000915044241.97652.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone enlighten me as to why vertical member 'N' is left out "for now?" I am skinning the fuselage now. Do I just glue the skin on without it in place? When do I install it? I noticed the plans say something about beveling it. Why? When? When should I cut off the extra longeron length? If not now, do I "overskin" and trim later? On the glueing front, I am using 4' lengths so I have decided to just glue one 4' section per night so I guess I'll be all skinned by next weekend. Looking forward to bringing the sides together. Anyone have a best weight for each side? How about the "boat?" I am trying to follow the golden rule...think light...build light. Thanks for all the help. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:30:14 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> last vertical Message-ID: <000c01c01f08$51bf60f0$58e6a58c@tbe.com> Tomothy Brown wrote: > Can anyone enlighten me as to why vertical member 'N' > is left out "for now?" Don't ask me how I know this (I always thought I was smarter than the plans) but you're screwed if you glue that vertical in now! Why? Because it needs to be tapered so that the front and rear faces are co-linear, that is, perpendicular to the centerline. Sure you can guess what it's going to be (something like 10 degrees) but it won't be exact, and the only way to know is wait until your boat is formed and joined at the tailpost. And you can imagine how hard it is to taper the forward and aft faces of a member that's glued to your fuselage wall. Also, you want to make sure these are really vertical (or at least line up with the forward and aft horizontal stabilizer spars, and as we all know, vertical is a relative thing that far back on the "banana boat". Another reason is that installing the tailpost is not an exact science, and after it's installed it's a lot easier to put the horizontal stabilzer where it's supposed to go. The tailpost determines where the h/s goes (thanks to limited clearance for the elevator bellcrank) and then that determines exactly where vertical number N goes. You really have to build one of these before you can build one of these. For some odd reason, I have two pairs of vertical N members (maybe that's why mine's so heavy)... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:29:00 -0500 (CDT) To: Timothy Brown From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> last vertical Message-Id: <200009151229.e8FCT0337851@pop4.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> The way I did my vertical N was to go ahead and install the vertical N when I assembled my frame. I then laminated the forward skins to the frame. I did not laminate the rear skins until after the boat was assembled. This allowed me to use a sanding bar made from a 2x4 about 3 foot long with sand paper pasted on to sand the bevel on the vertical N by doing both sides of the fuselage at the same time. This gave me a perfect bevel to laminate the rear bulkheads to. Also this will give you full 5/8 spruce contact at the upper and lower longerons and for the gussets. After I had added the tail post and the rear bulkheads, I proceeded to skin the rear of the fuselage. By waiting to skin the rear of the fuselage, it sure made working in the narrow tail section easy! Worked out great for me. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > Can anyone enlighten me as to why vertical member 'N' > is left out "for now?" I am skinning the fuselage > now. Do I just glue the skin on without it in place? > When do I install it? I noticed the plans say > something about beveling it. Why? When? > > When should I cut off the extra longeron length? If > not now, do I "overskin" and trim later? > > On the glueing front, I am using 4' lengths so I have > decided to just glue one 4' section per night so I > guess I'll be all skinned by next weekend. Looking > forward to bringing the sides together. > > Anyone have a best weight for each side? How about > the "boat?" I am trying to follow the golden > rule...think light...build light. > > Thanks for all the help. > > Tim > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:06:24 -0500 To: , "Timothy Brown" From: "Ronald R. Eason" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> last vertical Message-ID: <000e01c01f1e$239c4e20$8d7239ce@winbook> I did my Fus in a similar manor Mark, work out great. I continue to use the sanding bar in other areas. KRron -----Original Message----- From: flykr2s@execpc.com To: Timothy Brown Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Friday, September 15, 2000 7:29 AM Subject: Re: KR> last vertical >The way I did my vertical N was to go ahead and install the vertical N >when I assembled my frame. I then laminated the forward skins to the >frame. I did not laminate the rear skins until after the boat was >assembled. This allowed me to use a sanding bar made from a 2x4 about >3 foot long with sand paper pasted on to sand the bevel on the >vertical N by doing both sides of the fuselage at the same time. This >gave me a perfect bevel to laminate the rear bulkheads to. Also this >will give you full 5/8 spruce contact at the upper and lower longerons >and for the gussets. After I had added the tail post and the rear >bulkheads, I proceeded to skin the rear of the fuselage. By waiting to >skin the rear of the fuselage, it sure made working in the narrow tail >section easy! Worked out great for me. >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI >mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com >http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:10:47 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: eXplanes.com forums Message-ID: <39C1BD67.BDAA4E11@home.com> Well its almost Friday so what the heck. I just wanted everyone to know that I am now running a full version of UBB on the eXplanes.com bulletin board now. So if your an old user stop in and modify your profile. If your a new user register and start posting. Be sure to read the FAQ so that you will become familiar with all the new features. One neat thing is the search capability. Now if we can just build up a bunch od discussions we can index and search them for future use. You can also sell or buy stuff in the "garage sale" forum and its commission free (freaking Ebay!!). BTW Adding pictures is easy and helps sell your item. Anyway check it out and have fun. Go to: http://24.5.34.97/ubb/cp.html and click on the forums link. And no I am not making any money off this, Im jsut learning new things and sharing them with you all. __________________ Micheal Mims http://explanes.com/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:20:44 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> eXplanes.com forums Message-ID: <20000915152044.16282.qmail@web1402.mail.yahoo.com> Im sorry, the link should have been: http://24.5.34.97/ I posted the admin link. Hey it was late what can I say?!? :o) ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:59:24 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org (krnet user group) From: ACMan5548@aol.com Subject: 7 degree angle cut Message-ID: Is it better to cut the 7 degree angle at the rear of the fuselage flat on the work bench or cut it when the sides are bent together? I am concerned that the 7 degrees, called for in the drawings, will not be 7 degrees after the sides are bent together. Tony Mission Viejo, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:21:39 -0500 To: , "krnet user group" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> 7 degree angle cut Message-ID: <000d01c011dd$99135700$8e86aec7@computer> Tony, I cut and installed my tailpost after the fuselage was bent and plywood glued on. The biggest problem I had was determining and marking 7 degrees. I used a protracter and made a template. After I got my Smart Tool (level) I leveled the fuselage and then checked tthe tailpost. It was 7.3 degrees. They are pricey but the smart level will make things so much simpler from day one and all thru building. You can level within 0.1. ED ----- Original Message ----- From: To: krnet user group Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: KR> 7 degree angle cut > Is it better to cut the 7 degree angle at the rear of the fuselage flat on > the work bench or cut it when the sides are bent together? > > I am concerned that the 7 degrees, called for in the drawings, will not be 7 > degrees after the sides are bent together. > > Tony > Mission Viejo, CA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:54:58 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Cc: "corvaircraft" Subject: Gasoline Message-ID: <003901c011e2$40740400$8e86aec7@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C011B8.563D81A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since it is Friday I feel it my responsibilty to post this. Could give = you more $$ for your projects. I am buying Gasoline through Priceline. On my last purchase I saved 20.9 = cents a gallon. I've been using it for a couple of months and it really = works. Check it out at www.priceline.com or e-mail me direct for more info how = it works. ED Ed Blocher e-mail kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C011B8.563D81A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:15:00 PDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Don Woodard" Subject: Fwd: KR> Quality/WORLDWIDE - Mike Mims Message-ID: ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Don Woodard" To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Quality/WORLDWIDE - Mike Mims Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:05:09 PDT Mike- Ref your comment: "Just because the person who built the plane isn't planning on flying in it doesn't mean he will do shoddy work". ( I agree-100%) However, having worked in the aerospace business since 1948 - as a mechanic, flight engineer, quality assurance rep, etc - I also know, from experience, that not ALL individuals are conscientious.With a homebuilt, anything less than good quality is - - - one persons fault/responsibility. Incidently, from what I have seen on the internet & in magazines, you are doing beautiful work on your plane, and - with your permission I would like to drop by and see your KR ( in order to improve MY quality as I proceed. Til then, - - - Don Woodard kr2s631dw _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:03:10 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: Fwd: KR> Quality/WORLDWIDE - Mike Mims Message-ID: <20000915230310.12609.qmail@web1402.mail.yahoo.com> Don, did you repost this or is this message floating around out in cyberspace and happens to show up now and again? As I was reading it I was thinking to myself , man I know I have seen this before. :o) --- Don Woodard wrote: > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Don Woodard" > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Quality/WORLDWIDE - Mike Mims > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:05:09 PDT > > Mike- Ref your comment: "Just because the person who > built the plane isn't > planning on flying in it doesn't mean he will do > shoddy work". ( I > agree-100%) However, having worked in the aerospace > business since 1948 - as > a mechanic, flight engineer, quality assurance rep, > etc - I also know, from > experience, that not ALL individuals are > conscientious.With a homebuilt, > anything less than good quality is - - - one > persons fault/responsibility. > Incidently, from what I have seen on the internet & > in magazines, you are > doing beautiful work on your plane, and - with your > permission I would like > to drop by and see your KR ( in order to improve MY > quality as I proceed. > Til then, - - - Don Woodard kr2s631dw > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:02:43 EDT To: traildog@wolfpacks.com, humidors@sover.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: T152GMAN@aol.com Subject: kr layups Message-ID: <22.b45b8ac.26f3f683@aol.com> Hey guys,this may be a stupid question but i'll shoot anyway.I am getting ready to do my first layup,i'll be working on the aft deck and i will have to use several pieces of cloth.My question is do i over lap the cloth?What is peel ply and how do you use it? Thanks Tony ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:13:26 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> kr layups Message-ID: <6c.3109bb3.26f41526@aol.com> In a message dated 9/15/00 3:05:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, T152GMAN@aol.com writes: << Hey guys,this may be a stupid question but i'll shoot anyway.I am getting ready to do my first layup,i'll be working on the aft deck and i will have to use several pieces of cloth.My question is do i over lap the cloth?What is peel ply and how do you use it? >> If you have never done layups before you must do some practice layup to get you technique right. There a booklet written by Burt Rutan which is very useful and is available at Aircraft Spruce. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:10:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Robert Stone , Timothy Brown , Group KR NET From: michael beck Subject: Re: KR> glueing plywood skins Message-ID: <20000915231009.13937.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> HI Guys Just a thought on the staples vs weight... I used several hundred pounds of bricks, two deep side to side on every piece of spruce. And nothing can shift if you have built your truss corectly, glued solid and gusseted correctly. Worked perfectly for me. Mike Beck --- Robert Stone wrote: > Tim: The only way to use weight rather than staples > or clamping is > sandbags. They insure even weight distribution. > > > Bob Stone > > Harker Heights, Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy Brown" > To: "Group KR NET" > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:00 PM > Subject: KR> glueing plywood skins > > > > I am about to glue the plywood skins to the > spruce. > > RR says to use staples as "clamps" with string > > underneath to remove staples. > > > > QUESTION: Why can't one just apply glue to the > skin > > and spruce and add weight to "clamp"? > > > > I have 3 boxes of Bruce hardwood flooring that > weigh > > about 35 to 40 pounds each. Why can't I glue the > > skin, lay in the spruce and apply the boxed > flooring > > on top as weight? Or, apply the glue to the > spruce > > and skin, set the skin on top of the spruce and > lay > > the weight on the ply? > > > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I will > be > > doing what ever I do starting Tuesday PM. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tim (timwbrown@yahoo.com) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:29:51 -0700 To: Timothy Brown From: Ross Youngblood CC: Group KR NET Subject: Re: KR> glueing plywood skins Message-ID: <39C2F73F.89F08C02@teleport.com> Tim, I think this might work on the fuselage sides, epoxy is pretty sticky stuff. For my spars I didn't want to take a chance so I stapled, and used weights to try and get the most even pressure distribution I could on the webbing. Probably overkill, but I was thinking SPAR, IMPORTANT at the time. -- Ross Timothy Brown wrote: > I am about to glue the plywood skins to the spruce. > RR says to use staples as "clamps" with string > underneath to remove staples. > > QUESTION: Why can't one just apply glue to the skin > and spruce and add weight to "clamp"? > > I have 3 boxes of Bruce hardwood flooring that weigh > about 35 to 40 pounds each. Why can't I glue the > skin, lay in the spruce and apply the boxed flooring > on top as weight? Or, apply the glue to the spruce > and skin, set the skin on top of the spruce and lay > the weight on the ply? > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I will be > doing what ever I do starting Tuesday PM. > > Thanks. > > Tim (timwbrown@yahoo.com) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:07:38 -0700 From: Mike Mims CC: Group KR NET Subject: Re: KR> glueing plywood skins Message-ID: <39C30E2A.7B7E7BCF@home.com> Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Tim, > I think this might work on the fuselage sides, epoxy is pretty sticky > stuff. For my spars I didn't want to take a chance so I stapled, and used > weights Just keep in mind that too much clamping pressure with modern day epoxies can be a bad thing. It can make the joint to lean. __________________ Micheal Mims Trying to get this thing done! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://explanes.com/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:46:50 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Jim Sellars' "incident" Message-ID: <006601c01f88$5e7f7ac0$a5f780ce@300emachine> Ed Janssen found this and sent it my way, gleaned from a local newspaper . You couldn't write a nicer article about such an unfortunate incident. I can only hope than when I crash, they'll send a C-130, a rescue helicopter, a dozen firefighters, rangers on ATVs, and guys parachuting in. Looks like Jim has a lot of friends, and a lot to be thankful for. It also sounds like he's going to have a hard time finding a way to "extract" it from the bog. Job well done, Jim... http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/sellarskr2.pdf If you need the Acrobat Reader (it's free), visit http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:33:30 ADT To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" Message-ID: Mark... That's the article I had given the link for, a couple days ago... although the next day, it would've prob'ly been gone and replaced with the next day's news... Gaston >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: "Mark Langford" >To: >Subject: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:46:50 -0500 > >Ed Janssen found this and sent it my way, gleaned from a local newspaper . >You couldn't write a nicer article about such an unfortunate incident. I >can only hope than when I crash, they'll send a C-130, a rescue helicopter, >a dozen firefighters, rangers on ATVs, and guys parachuting in. Looks >like >Jim has a lot of friends, and a lot to be thankful for. It also sounds >like >he's going to have a hard time finding a way to "extract" it from the bog. >Job well done, Jim... > >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/sellarskr2.pdf > >If you need the Acrobat Reader (it's free), visit >http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:48:51 ADT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" Message-ID: as an off note... I was really impressed by that article, and how they treated the subject of "homebuilt"... I noticed they only mentionned that once, and didn't capitalize on that, dragging homebuilts down as "unsafe". >From: "Gaston Landry" >To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:33:30 ADT > >Mark... > >That's the article I had given the link for, a couple days ago... >although the next day, it would've prob'ly been gone and replaced with the >next day's news... > >Gaston > > >>From: "Mark Langford" >>Reply-To: "Mark Langford" >>To: >>Subject: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" >>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:46:50 -0500 >> >>Ed Janssen found this and sent it my way, gleaned from a local newspaper . >>You couldn't write a nicer article about such an unfortunate incident. I >>can only hope than when I crash, they'll send a C-130, a rescue >>helicopter, >>a dozen firefighters, rangers on ATVs, and guys parachuting in. Looks >>like >>Jim has a lot of friends, and a lot to be thankful for. It also sounds >>like >>he's going to have a hard time finding a way to "extract" it from the bog. >>Job well done, Jim... >> >>http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/sellarskr2.pdf >> >>If you need the Acrobat Reader (it's free), visit >>http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html >> >>Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >>mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >>see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:18:49 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: WAFs and wing attach brackets Message-ID: <008601c01f8c$d6030ae0$a5f780ce@300emachine> I guess it's still Friday, technically. I've had a couple of questions from folks about when the WAFs and gear brackets will be done. We were hoping to be finished by Gathering time, and Dr. Dean was going to bring them down with him. Unfortunately, he's not going to make it (said something Greek about going to a class to learn a new procedure) and they're going to be a little behind schedule so it'll be a week or two (tentatively) after the Gathering before he mails them out. We'll let you guys know when they're just about ready to go. We're gonna miss you, Dean... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:20:11 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: IFR training in Arizona? Message-ID: <39C3111B.80797A73@teleport.com> Well I thought, since it was Friday, that I would comment on my IFR training progress. First folks may ask, what the heck is somone in Phoenix doing wasting good $$ on IFR training when clouds are prohibited from entering the Phoenix class Bravo airspace. (Agreement by Berry Goldwater, and America West Airlines with the powers that be). Well, I got started on the idea up in Oregon, where there are two types of clouds, those formed by water vapor, and those formed by granite. The trick is to stay away from the granite clouds. After I got my private ticket, I wanted to leave my cozy spot in the valley. West, was the coast, with Fog and low clouds most of the year, East was the Cascades which was occasionally set with "terrain obscuration" south as well, which left north... then once you got across the Columbia river, you got a bit more of the terrain and weather stuff. Which often meant any significant rental trip (or future KR trip) was limited by my willingness to stay on the ground and wait for ceilings to lift. So I passed the written test last summer, then three months later moved to the land of VFR severe clear (turbulence). This coupled with the by now legendary situation of being known as "that guy who is building an airplane", made me consider if I was really into flying, why wasn't I flying much? First, there is the $$ situation, and I realized that $$ is the force that opposes gravity, not lift, and that for me to afford flying, I decided I needed to build an airplane. OK, most of us have found that. But still, when I had an extra $100, I wasn't really in shape to go and get that $100 hamburger. I thought if I couldn't feel comfortable going around the patch, how was I going to enjoy the KR? So I decided that I needed to get some more instruction, and why just bore holes in the sky and do touch and goes, when I could do somthing towards my IFR rating. After about 1 week of dual instruction, flying every day once or twice a day, I was loving flying again and doing pretty good at this IFR stuff too. So for any of you out there thinking "can I handle a KR" just budget enough $$ to pay for a week of lift tickets with an instructor every day, and you will probably have all the jitters taken care of. If you only fly once or twice every three months, (Like I did after getting my license) you will get rusty. At least thats how it worked out for me. So now I'm back to where I am enjoying flying, and thinking of places I could go on a weekend, which is where I needed to be so I can finish my project. (I was tempted at times to give up on flying as it is rather expensive to fly, and time consuming to complete a KR). My KR really has no time limit, it's my project... however the FAA gave me two years to complete my IFR training after taking the written, so thats my short term goal at the moment. P.S. The Microsoft FS2000 is terrific for working on IFR stuff. I never thought it was too realistic for practicing touch and goes, but for working on your scan and intercepting VORs and doing holds, I think it is pretty good. The other good thing about the IFR rating as opposed to the VFR is that I haven't scared my instructor once during the whole process, which is not somthing I could say about my VFR. I probably won't fly my KR in IFR, but with the extra hours of training I have recieved, I can now recommed and tell the difference between an aircraft with a balanced propellor (smooooth) and the normal stuff you end up renting (not so smooth). I just flew a Warrior which just recieved a new engine and had flown about 8 hours off, and BOY if I can make my KR's engine turn that smooth... it's like driving a BMW after months driving a beat up Gremlin. Dust Station Zebra signing off. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 01:06:19 -0700 To: From: "JAMES" Subject: high horsepower and vertical stab. Message-ID: <000e01c01fb5$0022dbc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C01F7A.528E42E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that everyone seems to be going to higher horsepower = powerplants(120+) I was wondering if anyone has considered vert, stab. = centerline offset? is there a point in a KR that this would become = necessary? Also who is actually flying the new airfoil?I'm getting ready = to set my horiz. stab. and was wondering if the angle of incidence was = working o.k.? ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C01F7A.528E42E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:11:20 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> high horsepower and vertical stab. Message-ID: <002001c01fdf$9c773500$f24ab4d8@thinkpad> >.Now that everyone seems to be going to higher horsepower powerplants(120+) I was wondering if anyone has considered vert, stab. centerline offset? I would have canted my vertical stabilizer, but even way back when I built it I was considering that my engine might be turning the wrong way (swapping the VW engine around) and now that I'm going Corvair, that's what I need. Even ultralights cant the v/s a little bit, so I'd think that some of the same for the KR would make sense. There are exactly two KRs flying with the new wing so far, and Dean Selby only has a few hours on his (he probably can't get his 40 hours in before the Gathering). Troy left his h/s incidence set to 0 degrees, mainly because he was already rebuilding the rest of his plane and wasn't in the mood to tear the tail up too. It turns out that he says it works great with a passenger, and needs trim without one (which is most of the time). So it looks like you really do need to change the incidence (if you're not past that point). But I've also drawn up a set of wing templates that assume that the horizontal stabilizer is set to zero, and the main wing is attached at 1.75 degrees of incidence rather than 1.00 degrees. This way they maintain a perfect relationship, but the fuselage is off by .75 degrees. That's inconsequential, since we don't really know what "off" is for the fuselage anyway, and it's still better than being off by 2 degrees like the plans call for... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:57:54 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: accident reports Message-ID: Hello, netters- Some time ago somebody posted the URL of a site that listed accident reports for KRs (already sifted to eliminate non-KRs). Anybody still have that? Thanks Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:16:32 -0500 To: KR-NET From: Kyle Grant Subject: Re: KR> accident reports Message-ID: on 9/16/00 7:57 AM, Oscar Zuniga at taildrags@hotmail.com wrote: > Hello, netters- > > Some time ago somebody posted the URL of a site that listed accident reports > for KRs (already sifted to eliminate non-KRs). Anybody still have that? > Thanks > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ This URL ( http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.htm ) will allow you to specify your search criteria for KR only reports as well as anything else. Kyle Grant Benbrook, Texas mailto:kgrant@flash.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:07:41 PDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Don Woodard" Subject: Quality/Worldwide Message-ID: Mike: Yes!!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************