From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 18 Sep 2000 20:15:06 -0000 Issue 92 Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:15 PM krnet Digest 18 Sep 2000 20:15:06 -0000 Issue 92 Topics (messages 2062 through 2089): Re:KR-2 nearing completion for sale 2062 by: Lon V Boothby Re: Jim Sellars' "incident" 2063 by: Richard Parker 2064 by: Mark Langford 2072 by: cartera 2083 by: James Sellars Re: Pilot's operating handbook 2065 by: Michael Geoghegan KR Gathering 2066 by: Jim Faughn Re: high horsepower and vertical stab. 2067 by: Tom Crawford 2082 by: James Sellars 2084 by: Mark Langford Re: prop database? 2068 by: Tom Crawford 2070 by: Mark Langford Subaru EJ-22 in a KR-2? 2069 by: MiloKetchum.aol.com hello 2071 by: Phil Maynard Re: cookies 2073 by: Mark Langford 2077 by: cartera Fly in 2074 by: DClarke351.aol.com kr vert. stab. 2075 by: JAMES Re: Dragonfly canopy source 2076 by: Mark Langford Webpage update 2078 by: John KR1 Specs 2079 by: Mike Mims 2085 by: Jim Payne 2086 by: Mark Langford 2088 by: Jim Payne 2089 by: Mark Langford Re: Ponca City 2001 Gathering 2080 by: Cleo Greenhaw 2081 by: Mark Langford Pilot Handbook and Web site 2087 by: Robert7721.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:08:01 -0700 To: dewoodard@hotmail.com From: Lon V Boothby Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re:KR-2 nearing completion for sale Message-ID: <20000916.230802.-3862521.9.LBoothby@juno.com> I have a KR-2 project that I have decided to sell. All the wood work for the fuselage is completed. The tail feathers are complete and installed. All the cables, stick, etc, are installed and functional. It sits on positive locking retracts and a tail wheel which are installed. An 0-170 Continental engine with a Stromberg carb are already installed. Spars are built for the wings, and also included are premolded forward and rear decks, canopy, and frame, and wing tips. As those of you who are building know, it is priced at 1/3 what is invested, not including labor, for only $3500. Please email me privately at LBoothby@juno.com for photos. Thanks, Lon Spokane, Washington ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagh. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:35:15 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" Message-ID: I couldnt get pat the first page. They kept asking me for a password. Rich Parker >From: "Gaston Landry" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:48:51 ADT > >as an off note... I was really impressed by that article, and how they >treated the subject of "homebuilt"... >I noticed they only mentionned that once, and didn't capitalize on that, >dragging homebuilts down as "unsafe". > > > >>From: "Gaston Landry" >>To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org >>Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" >>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:33:30 ADT >> >>Mark... >> >>That's the article I had given the link for, a couple days ago... >>although the next day, it would've prob'ly been gone and replaced with the >>next day's news... >> >>Gaston >> >> >>>From: "Mark Langford" >>>Reply-To: "Mark Langford" >>>To: >>>Subject: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" >>>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:46:50 -0500 >>> >>>Ed Janssen found this and sent it my way, gleaned from a local newspaper >>>. >>>You couldn't write a nicer article about such an unfortunate incident. I >>>can only hope than when I crash, they'll send a C-130, a rescue >>>helicopter, >>>a dozen firefighters, rangers on ATVs, and guys parachuting in. Looks >>>like >>>Jim has a lot of friends, and a lot to be thankful for. It also sounds >>>like >>>he's going to have a hard time finding a way to "extract" it from the >>>bog. >>>Job well done, Jim... >>> >>>http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/sellarskr2.pdf >>> >>>If you need the Acrobat Reader (it's free), visit >>>http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html >>> >>>Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >>>mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >>>see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:46:01 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" Message-ID: <003201c020a5$3cb71ce0$a5f780ce@300emachine> Rich Parker wrote: > I couldnt get past the first page. They kept asking me for a password. Now I remember why I never read it either. I'm very reluctant to "sign up" with anybody for anything. I get enough junk mail as it is, without asking for more. Something I've found that helps monitor where my cookies are going and kills banner ads (and improves load times) is AdSubtract, which costs $15 from http://www.adsubtract.com/ . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:38:50 -0600 To: Mark Langford From: cartera CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" Message-ID: <39C501AA.E3FBAF74@cuug.ab.ca> Mark Langford wrote: > > Rich Parker wrote: > > > I couldnt get past the first page. They kept asking me for a password. > > Now I remember why I never read it either. I'm very reluctant to "sign up" > with anybody for anything. I get enough junk mail as it is, without asking > for more. Something I've found that helps monitor where my cookies are > going and kills banner ads (and improves load times) is AdSubtract, which > costs $15 from http://www.adsubtract.com/ . > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org Hello Gang, There is a really simple resolve to the cookies file, just make the cookie file a "read only" that is anyone can read it but not write to it. For the first entry, maybe go to the Microsoft site or one of your choice and then make it a read only. Simple as that then you can monitor the file and see if any other entries are made. Good Luck and Happy Flying guys! -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:47:03 -0300 To: "Gaston Landry" , langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: James Sellars Subject: Re: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000918104535.00a7dda0@mail.auracom.com> Gaston & Mark; Thanks for the kind thoughts, I'm sure you can appreciate that although a person is very thankful that everything ended well, you can't help being al;ittle down about the beautiful little bird out there broken in the bog, your encouraging words have been a help. Thanks again Jim At 10:33 AM 9/16/00 +0000, Gaston Landry wrote: >Mark... > >That's the article I had given the link for, a couple days ago... >although the next day, it would've prob'ly been gone and replaced with the >next day's news... > >Gaston > > >>From: "Mark Langford" >>Reply-To: "Mark Langford" >>To: >>Subject: KR> Jim Sellars' "incident" >>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:46:50 -0500 >> >>Ed Janssen found this and sent it my way, gleaned from a local newspaper . >>You couldn't write a nicer article about such an unfortunate incident. I >>can only hope than when I crash, they'll send a C-130, a rescue helicopter, >>a dozen firefighters, rangers on ATVs, and guys parachuting in. Looks like >>Jim has a lot of friends, and a lot to be thankful for. It also sounds like >>he's going to have a hard time finding a way to "extract" it from the bog. >>Job well done, Jim... >> >>http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/sellarskr2.pdf >> >>If you need the Acrobat Reader (it's free), visit >>http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html >> >>Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >>mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >>see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:23:32 -0400 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: Michael Geoghegan Subject: Re: KR> Pilot's operating handbook Message-ID: <39C4C5D4.9B55AF9@sover.net> Thank you all for the responses to my handbook question. I did receive an attachment in one of the responses which contained a comprehensive 18 page handbook which I was able to edit in about 30 minutes. I have suggested that the document be made available to all through the FAQ. Mike Geoghegan Moretown Vermont Michael Geoghegan wrote: > I have a question for those who have passed the airworthiness > inspection. I am in the process of being scheduled for my inspection. I > have my registration, weight & balance, builders log and the application > for the airworthiness certificate. What have others come up with for > the pilot's operating handbook (POH). I understand that this is needed > but I'm not sure what to put together for a standard plans built KR2. > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mike Geoghegan > Moretown Vermont > Humidors@sover.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:39:45 -0500 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: KR Gathering Message-ID: I think I told everyone that I was having problems with my alternator and it would just quit charging after a while. It didn't matter how long I ran it on the ground, it just wouldn't quit. So, I had to figure out a way to troubleshoot it in the air. After a little thought, I figured that crawling out with a voltmeter on the front deck wasn't a good idea. Didn't take a lot of thought. I hooked two wires to the output of the stator winding and ran them back to the cockpit hooked to an AC voltmeter. This was to find out when it quit if it was the stators AC voltage quitting or the rest of the circuit. Bottom line was it was the stator. I currently have the engine pulled from my KR and the Diehl housing off laying on the floor. What I found was that a small piece of metal was apparently expanding from the case to the stator wires and shorting out the stator after it heated up and was flying. I actually found abrasion and a bare spot on the stator where this piece of metal was so I know this is the root problem. I removed the metal piece and Monday I hope to get a new part and install it Monday night. Test flights on Tuesday and then ready to go. By the way the flying is still cool, it's just the unknown of when the alternator was going to quit that made it interesting when you have a total electric ignition system. KR Gathering Bound. (9th in a row) Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314) 652-7659 mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net N891JF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:24:45 -0400 To: Mark Langford From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> high horsepower and vertical stab. Message-ID: <39C4E23D.3E99@ufl.edu> > >.Now that everyone seems to be going to higher horsepower powerplants(120+) > I was wondering if anyone has considered vert, stab. centerline offset? > > I offset my vert. stab. just a little. I din't even measure, I just eyeballed it. I got lucky, because it flys straight, doesn't need any rudder trim. May we all be so lucky- -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:44:31 -0300 To: "Mark Langford" , From: James Sellars Subject: Re: KR> high horsepower and vertical stab. Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000918104047.00a7d400@mail.auracom.com> Mark; Doesn't the plan call for 3.5 ' at the root. could you talk about the optimum set-up? Let me get this straight, from 3.5 to 1.75 at the root with a wash out to .5 degree at the tip of the wing.? Is that what we're talking now? Stabilizer is at zero incidence? Let me know. Could you also let me know where I can get the drawings for the new airfoil ? Regards Jim At 08:11 AM 9/16/00 -0500, Mark Langford wrote: > >.Now that everyone seems to be going to higher horsepower powerplants(120+) >I was wondering if anyone has considered vert, stab. centerline offset? > >I would have canted my vertical stabilizer, but even way back when I built >it I was considering that my engine might be turning the wrong way (swapping >the VW engine around) and now that I'm going Corvair, that's what I need. >Even ultralights cant the v/s a little bit, so I'd think that some of the >same for the KR would make sense. > >There are exactly two KRs flying with the new wing so far, and Dean Selby >only has a few hours on his (he probably can't get his 40 hours in before >the Gathering). Troy left his h/s incidence set to 0 degrees, mainly >because he was already rebuilding the rest of his plane and wasn't in the >mood to tear the tail up too. It turns out that he says it works great with >a passenger, and needs trim without one (which is most of the time). So it >looks like you really do need to change the incidence (if you're not past >that point). But I've also drawn up a set of wing templates that assume >that the horizontal stabilizer is set to zero, and the main wing is attached >at 1.75 degrees of incidence rather than 1.00 degrees. This way they >maintain a perfect relationship, but the fuselage is off by .75 degrees. >That's inconsequential, since we don't really know what "off" is for the >fuselage anyway, and it's still better than being off by 2 degrees like the >plans call for... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:00:27 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> high horsepower and vertical stab. Message-ID: <001e01c02178$cd13c170$58e6a58c@tbe.com> James Sellars wrote: > Mark; Doesn't the plan call for 3.5 ' at the root. could you talk about > the optimum set-up? Let me get this straight, from 3.5 to 1.75 at the root > with a wash out to .5 degree at the tip of the wing.? Is that what we're > talking now? Stabilizer is at zero incidence? Let me know. Could you > also let me know where I can get the drawings for the new airfoil ? Jim, See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tet/as5046inst.html for a pretty thorough description of wing and tail incidence using the new airfoil, and http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tet/ for the template source and even more airfoil info, including the coordinates. Total wing washout is still 3 degrees no matter what the root incidence is, for all three versions... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:33:32 -0400 To: Mark Langford From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> prop database? Message-ID: <39C4E44C.68CB@ufl.edu> Mark Langford wrote: > > PropHeads, > > OK, I guess it's time for a prop database. I would sure appreciate it if > all you real KR flyers would email me privately with what size your prop is, > Mark, Sorry I am tardy with my reply, I meant to post a long time ago. I have a climb prop- Sterba 54X48 that will turn 3700+ full go in the air. Climbing out at 100 MPH it turns 3600. I also have a cruise prop, also a Sterba, 54X52 That will turn 3400+ in the air. For the newbies, 2TC is powered by a T4 VW at 2450cc. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:55:23 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> prop database? Message-ID: <004d01c020bf$b0a5c470$a5f780ce@300emachine> > > OK, I guess it's time for a prop database. I would sure appreciate it if > > all you real KR flyers would email me privately with what size your prop is, I never did really post that (kept waiting for more input), so here it is (http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/props.html). It's not much, but it's a little better than nothing. Now if you're using a Corvair, your guess is as good as mine... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:34:23 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: MiloKetchum@aol.com Subject: Subaru EJ-22 in a KR-2? Message-ID: Fellow Fliers, Am purchasing an older KR-2 hanger queen with no engine. I have heard great things about the Subaru 130 HP EJ-22 and would like to know if there are any KR-2's with this setup? Thanks in advance, Milo Ketchum Temporally Grounded in Oklahoma ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:49:24 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Phil Maynard Cc: pmaynard@bellatlantic.net Subject: hello Message-Id: <00091711562604.01313@suse64> Hi, My name is Phil Maynard. I built a kr2 a while back. I lengthened it 2" and widened it 2" at the sholders and 1" at the seat. I originally bought the RR prefab fiberglass parts but tossed them all and made my own out of foam and cloth sandwich. They were half the weight. They also fit better as once I widened the fuselage their parts wouldn't fit. My empty weight was 535#. I had a simple interior with cloth seats. I made a removable frame for the seat back with cloth streched over it. Removing the seat back gained access to the storage area behind the seat. I put a floor in the storage area. I reduced the wing incidence and washout. I lowered the canopy and forward deck as much as possible. My panel was 2 @ 3 1/8" instruments high but no more. Because the fuselage was widened and maybe because the turtledeck wasn't shaped ideally it had a tendency to wag it's tail in turbulence. I smooth air it was fine but it didn't have quite enough directional stability in turbulence. It didn't bother me much but it was something to note. I attributed that to my widening the fuselage which had the aerodynamic effect to make the plane shorter and the actual 2" lengthening was insignificant compared to the 2" widening. I used revmaster 2100 engine with starter and electric. I made 4 individual tuned exhaust pipes. I believe they were 34" long. At around 3000 I could feel it get smoother and gain power. I indicated 180 flat out. I used the posa carb. I had heard and also saw how the posa ran rich in idle. I'd heard a builder had modified a needle so I also did that with success. I modified the leanest needle by filing the flat side into a curve by deepening the flat along the normal range but not filing the idle range so it had the effect of making it lean on idle to compensate for the posa's tendency to run rich on idle. Mine still ran a little rich but wasn't a problem. I also had a mixture controll. I later used the maloof 2 position prop which was very smooth and turbocharged it. I didn't gain any speed though as I had to enlarge the cowling and this all added weight. Later I went back to normally aspirated and wood prop. That was the best setup. Great Aerican Propeller Co made me a 52 x52 prop with an extra lamination - it was thicker and so the curves carried further towards the hub and it was more efficient.. I made the foward tank small - 8 gal and had an electric pump to transfer fuel from the wing tanks in flight as I needed it. I counterbalanced the tail and once pushed it to 220 mph indicated (the limit of my airspeed indicator) - In retrospect not a very smart thing to do. I laid out the center stick so that as it swung through the fore and aft stroke, the center pivot point of the stick was located relative to the outer forward aileron pully so that the arc the bottom of the stick "drew" was an equil length radius from the pully. It's hard to explain that well but what it did was the tension in the cables didn't change as it traveled. It had a great solid feel. I loved it but it was to much to keep up with and I was so much working on my own. Once I got married and had children I stopped flying. The upkeep, never quite finished, let me change this and that was more than I had time for. I also was close to an airport when I built it but was then 1 hour away later when I lived in NYC. I also saw a fatal crash and burn where a glider tow plane stall/spun on takeoff. I had some trouble with my engine and I finally had to quit. More recently I regained interest in flying and I was thinking of maybe building another one down the road. I was interested in a streched standard KR2 if there is such a thing. If anybody has some info on such a configuration I would appreciate it. There's a picture of my plane in flight on my web page. pmaynard@bellatlantic.net http://members.bellatlantic.net/~pmaynard Phil Maynard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:50:09 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> cookies Message-ID: <005d01c020d8$1abad310$a5f780ce@300emachine> Adrian Carter wrote: > There is a really simple resolve to the cookies file, just make the > cookie file a "read only" that is anyone can read it but not write to > it. Well, AdSubtract is a little more versatile than that. It lets you keep "good" cookies (remembering your ordering information at a "trusted" site so you don't have to type it all in again), and there are cookies that are purely advertising-based and obtrusive. It keeps a list of the "bad" ones, and highlights them in read, ready for deletion. Newpapers are among the world's worst. This morning I checked for the first time in a week and I had 4 from information gathering advertising companies, and 3 from newspapers, and a couple that were "benign". You can set it to alert you whenever a cookie is placed, allowing you to kill it on the spot, or turn them off all together, while saving the "good" ones. It's free to try out for 14 days, so you can always see if it makes life easier before you buy it. Sorry this is off topic, but thought I might claify this. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:23:26 -0600 To: Mark Langford From: cartera CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> cookies Message-ID: <39C5283E.58DCF717@cuug.ab.ca> Whatever, each to his own. Just a simple and effective way. If one wants extra go your way. Mark Langford wrote: > > Adrian Carter wrote: > > > There is a really simple resolve to the cookies file, just make the > > cookie file a "read only" that is anyone can read it but not write to > > it. > > Well, AdSubtract is a little more versatile than that. It lets you keep > "good" cookies (remembering your ordering information at a "trusted" site so > you don't have to type it all in again), and there are cookies that are > purely advertising-based and obtrusive. It keeps a list of the "bad" ones, > and highlights them in read, ready for deletion. Newpapers are among the > world's worst. This morning I checked for the first time in a week and I > had 4 from information gathering advertising companies, and 3 from > newspapers, and a couple that were "benign". You can set it to alert you > whenever a cookie is placed, allowing you to kill it on the spot, or turn > them off all together, while saving the "good" ones. It's free to try out > for 14 days, so you can always see if it makes life easier before you buy > it. > > Sorry this is off topic, but thought I might claify this. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:55:36 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DClarke351@aol.com Subject: Fly in Message-ID: <3f.a5c4557.26f66da8@aol.com> Hey Guy's! There is going to be a one day fly-in at Artesia N.M. Oct 28th. Not too far from some of you Kr runners. (right Bob M and Jeff S?) I will try an be there at least as I cannot make the gathering in K.Y. this year. Don Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:07:51 -0700 To: From: "JAMES" Subject: kr vert. stab. Message-ID: <004301c020e2$f629b4c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C020A8.48C77680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks to those who replied to my question. does anyone have an opinion = about how much(approx) the cant would be? or is the engine thrust line = the better way?also does anyone have a contact number or address for = Slipstream Tech.(the makers of the Dragonfly canopy? I cant find it in = phone info or the internet phone listings. thanks. Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C020A8.48C77680-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:23:41 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR>Dragonfly canopy source Message-ID: <00e801c020dc$ca6b2f90$a5f780ce@300emachine> >does anyone have a contact number or address for Slipstream Tech.(the makers of the >Dragonfly canopy? Slipstream Industries W8407 Cottonville Dr. Wautoma, WI 54982 920-787-5886 Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:20:46 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: John Subject: Webpage update Message-Id: <00091718255700.01199@Y2krsoob> I now have a digital camera, ( a real nice Olympus D-460 Zoom) so to test it out - I took some pictures of the project. I got myexhaust back from Jet-Hot coatings. see photos under button labeled 'engine' I now have an upholstered seat cushion and I installed two NACA airscoops - the cushion (with turbo) and the airscoops are found under the button 'controls and instruments' John N1225T Los Alamos NM jeb@thuntek.net http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:08:17 -0700 From: Mike Mims CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR1 Specs Message-ID: <39C57911.9C808F2C@home.com> Need some specs from KR1 builders. What is the root and tip wing chord? What is the center section span? How wide is a plans built KR1? Thanks for your help. __________________ Micheal Mims Trying to get this thing done! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://explanes.com/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:42:46 -0400 To: From: "Jim Payne" Subject: RE: KR> KR1 Specs Message-ID: Mike, If no one else responds to your KR-1 specs, I'll email you this evening with the exact mesurements since the plans are at home. Off the top of my head, the root cord is 48", tip cord is 36". How wide is it? Are you talking about wing span or fuse width. Fuse is apporx. 20" and wingspan is 17'. Since were discussing the KR-1, I just received my KR-1 plans last week and would be interested in using the AS5046 on my airplane. Any thoughts? I won't be installing wing tanks... Jim Payne jim@manufacturingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims [mailto:mikemims@home.com] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:08 PM Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> KR1 Specs Need some specs from KR1 builders. What is the root and tip wing chord? What is the center section span? How wide is a plans built KR1? Thanks for your help. __________________ Micheal Mims Trying to get this thing done! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://explanes.com/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:58:00 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR1 Specs Message-ID: <000701c02199$fccc6360$58e6a58c@tbe.com> Jim Payne wrote: > Since were discussing the KR-1, I just received my KR-1 plans last week and > would be interested in using the AS5046 on my airplane. Any thoughts? I > won't be installing wing tanks... Although the AS504x airfoils were designed specifically for the KR2S (there are very few plans-built planes than can boast that!) there's no reason why it won't work just fine on the KR1. It just so happens that I drew up a set for somebody's KR2 (might have been Troy's) that has the required 36" tip rib, so it's already done. I guess I need to finalize it and add it to the list of available templates. It would probably use something close to the same 1 degree root incidence, or at least it would be a better guess than 3.5 degrees... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:00:50 -0400 To: From: "Jim Payne" Subject: RE: KR> KR1 Specs Message-ID: No rush Mark, but that would be great. I'm definitely leaning toward the AS5046 to match closely to the stock spars and I won't be using wing tanks, so the extra thickness of the AS5048 isn't necessary. Has anyone discussed modifying the center section of the KR to taper the cord to match the outer wing panel and possibly a bent center spar for a cleaner wing look? Obviously more work to build, but it would give the plane better lines. I saw pictures awhile back on your site of someone who was building a KR2 narrowed to result in a KR1 that had a similar wing design, has anyone else tried this? Jim Payne jim@manufacturingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 1:58 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR1 Specs Jim Payne wrote: > Since were discussing the KR-1, I just received my KR-1 plans last week and > would be interested in using the AS5046 on my airplane. Any thoughts? I > won't be installing wing tanks... Although the AS504x airfoils were designed specifically for the KR2S (there are very few plans-built planes than can boast that!) there's no reason why it won't work just fine on the KR1. It just so happens that I drew up a set for somebody's KR2 (might have been Troy's) that has the required 36" tip rib, so it's already done. I guess I need to finalize it and add it to the list of available templates. It would probably use something close to the same 1 degree root incidence, or at least it would be a better guess than 3.5 degrees... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:19:52 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR1 Specs Message-ID: <000d01c021ad$ce7d2260$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > Has anyone discussed modifying the center section of the KR to > taper the cord to match the outer wing panel and possibly a bent center spar > for a cleaner wing look? I've drawn up a laminated bent center spar, tapered as you mention, and Ed Blocher is building one already. We're using the 18% though, since it does yield a stronger spar, gives more room for the aileron bellcrank, and most people are using wing tanks. The bent center spar helps the tanks drain better, and certainly looks a lot better. Dihedral is continuous from fuselage to wingtip, rather than disjointed. And because it's laminated, it's stronger than the standard "one piece" spar cap. I might could be talked into drawing up one for the 16%. If I could build mine over again, I'd do the bent center spar... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:22:50 -0500 To: From: "Cleo Greenhaw" Subject: Fw: Ponca City 2001 Gathering Message-ID: <002901c02117$58473540$5e6a67ce@cleogree> ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C020ED.6EAF63E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cleo Greenhaw=20 To:krnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 9:10 PM Subject: Ponca City 2001 Gathering To all KR heads: I have put in a bid for Ponca City for next years KR = gathering . Our local chapter of EAA wants to host it. We will have = some one to speak for us at this years gathering (wish I could) and = provide information and pictures of the Ponca City location. Our = airport is and uncontrolled airport with a 6000 ft runway, 150' wide = concrete and also a grass strip. Of course we are lighted and have all = the instrument approach necessities. Also we are about 140 miles south = of the Geographical Center of the U.S. We have a club house that is complete with a full blown kitchen and a = smoker, which we will use. Plenty of area for seminars and tie downs. = We just finished hosting the EAA B-17, and a small gathering of P-51 = replica builders.. EAA gave us a good "reviews" for the B-17. Ponca = City filled every flight. We are very active in Young Eagles Program, = There are two Clubs here. The Ponca City Aviation Boosters and Local = EAA Chapter 1046, are almost one in the same as most members belong to = both organizations, and share accommodations. =20 We are really a beefed up Perry Oklahoma, with lots of help. Lets us = prove it next year. Cleo Greenhaw Vice Pres. EAA 1046 = Cleo@fullnet.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C020ED.6EAF63E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:02:10 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Ponca City 2001 Gathering Message-ID: <012c01c0211c$d78f2f60$a5f780ce@300emachine> Cleo Greenshaw wrote: >To all KR heads: I have put in a bid for Ponca City for next years KR gathering . and sent me these pictures to post: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/poncacitya.jpg and http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/poncacityb.jpg It does look like a nice place, and they sure do seem to WANT to do it! Maybe this is my incentive to get mine flying by then. Then I won't have to drive... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:54:59 EDT To: From: Robert7721@aol.com Cc: Subject: Pilot Handbook and Web site Message-ID: KR-NET At Mike's request I am making the Handbook available at my web site. I can't take full credit for the POH, it got it from someone else on the web but can't remember who. I did clean it up a bit. http://www.geocities.com/robert7721 Mark Langford, could you please add my site to your listing? Thanks. Rob Schmitt robert7721@aol.com Lee's Summit, MO Robert Thanks so much for the handbook document. It looks to be very comprehensive. I was able to edit it for my bird in about 30 minutes. I'm sure my FAA inspector will be pleased. You might consider making this available to the group by getting it into the FAQ section. Mark Langford would be a good person to send it to. Thanks again! Mike Geoghegan Moretown Vermont N47MG Robert7721@aol.com wrote: > Mike, > > See attached, I have revised this to suit my airplane from another > individual. You will need to revise it to suit your airplane. > > Rob Schmitt > KR2-S > Lee's Summit, MO > robert7721@aol.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: KR2OPRFS.DOC > KR2OPRFS.DOC Type: Microsoft Word Document (application/msword) > Encoding: base64 ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************