From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 23 Sep 2000 08:40:55 -0000 Issue 94 Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:41 AM krnet Digest 23 Sep 2000 08:40:55 -0000 Issue 94 Topics (messages 2120 through 2146): Re: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( 2120 by: Robert Stone 2124 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 2125 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 2128 by: Ron Eason Re: bent center spar 2121 by: Mark Langford 2122 by: Edwin Blocher Open Room At Flyin 2123 by: GARYKR2.cs.com KR2000 Gathering-bound 2126 by: APECORAR.steelcase.com 2130 by: terry Re: turn and bank indicator RFI? 2127 by: Ron Eason 2132 by: jshays 2133 by: Stefan B. 2134 by: Mike Mims 2141 by: Peter Nauta Re: Please read, look at picture, then forward on (HOAX!!!) 2129 by: Mike Mims Gathering 2131 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com I NEED RIDE TO GATHERING 2135 by: CHOCTAWCWR.aol.com The -2STruss Structure 2136 by: Peter Johnson 2137 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 2138 by: Donald Reid 2139 by: Schmidt, Curtis CHINA comments of products made there! 2140 by: Guenther Bryce Chinese instruments 2142 by: Kr2dream.aol.com 2144 by: Tim Bellville silicone & paint 2143 by: shannon spurgeon 2001 Gathering 2145 by: Oscar Zuniga Stainless Steel use in Landing Gear 2146 by: Leigh Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:44:16 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Fw: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( Message-ID: <003c01c02322$045ae5a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C022F8.1AA18280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow Neters: Lets give this maximum coverage Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Benoit" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: FW: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Benoit > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:22 AM > To: US OnLine > Subject: FW: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salaiz, Marty: [mailto:msalaiz@tosco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:07 AM > To: 'efb-jlb@n-link.com'; Smith, Mike:; Badenell, Keith: > Cc: 'edb@usolcomm.com' > Subject: FW: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crystal Dignam [SMTP:crystalday17@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:24 AM > To: Speede97@aol.com; lengua95@hotmail.com; > voiur7@yahoo.com; > cdeegan@7th-Fairway.com; > Childres5@aol.com; > Chrissieguenther@hotmail.com; > Diane.Leong@gcccd.net; > eddys_em@hotmail.com; JHorses@pronet.net; > leti8888@hotmail.com; > Bilmardrms@pronet.net; > Msalaiz@tosco.com; > baleryna88@aol.com; > sandpiper454@email.msn.com; > Suzanne.bailey@ucr.edu; > Yadscielo@hotmail.com > > Subject: Fwd: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward > on..:( > > > > > Please READ AND LOOK @ PICTURE > THEN pass it on. > I am asking you all, begging you to > please forward this email on to > anyone and everyone. > I have a 5 year old daughter named > Kelsey Brooke Jones. > We are from Southern Minnesota. She > has been missing since Oct.11,1999. > The police were notified shortly > after. If anyone anywhere knows > anything,sees anything, please contact the > Police, a missing persons report has been filed. > I am including a picture of her. > All prayers are appreciated!! > I hope I have covered enough East > Coast, Midwest, and West Coast people > to spread out the search for this > little girl. It only takes 2 > seconds to "forward" this on, if it was > your child, you would want all the > help you could get. Please. > JAY & KAREN GILIO > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > . > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. <> > > ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C022F8.1AA18280-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:23:53 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( Message-ID: <28.aea61c0.26fa68c9@aol.com> In a message dated 9/20/00 12:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rlspjs@dashlink.com writes: << Please READ AND LOOK @ PICTURE > THEN pass it on. > I am asking you all, begging you to > please forward this email on to > anyone and everyone. > > We are from Southern Minnesota. > JAY & KAREN GILIO > > >> Guys, let's be careful on the KRnet about these things. I took a couple of minutes to do some searching and there are no Gilios in Minnesota. Not to be cold, but these things can be a dime a dozen. Let's stick to KR. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:24:28 -0400 To: , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( Message-ID: An even better idea, let's stick to Text and web links. I flushed this suspicious looking turkey after being a bit tempted. I know better, but temptation can launch viruses. If one of our regulars has a picture to see, maybe so, but we don't need these crash opportunities. Ron Freiberger...Back in Fort Myers, ready to build wings :) mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: KR2616TJ@aol.com [mailto:KR2616TJ@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:24 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( In a message dated 9/20/00 12:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rlspjs@dashlink.com writes: << Please READ AND LOOK @ PICTURE > THEN pass it on. > I am asking you all, begging you to > please forward this email on to > anyone and everyone. > > We are from Southern Minnesota. > JAY & KAREN GILIO > > >> Guys, let's be careful on the KRnet about these things. I took a couple of minutes to do some searching and there are no Gilios in Minnesota. Not to be cold, but these things can be a dime a dozen. Let's stick to KR. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:37 -0500 To: , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( Message-ID: <001001c0236a$baffb680$657239ce@dana-coe> You are Cold as you said, you search doesn't mean it is not true, let is go, prayer is always good. KRron -----Original Message----- From: KR2616TJ@aol.com To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Fw: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on..:( >In a message dated 9/20/00 12:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >rlspjs@dashlink.com writes: > ><< Please READ AND LOOK @ PICTURE > > THEN pass it on. > > I am asking you all, begging you to > > please forward this email on to > > anyone and everyone. > > > > We are from Southern Minnesota. > > JAY & KAREN GILIO > > > > >> > >Guys, let's be careful on the KRnet about these things. I took a couple of >minutes to do some searching and there are no Gilios in Minnesota. Not to be >cold, but these things can be a dime a dozen. Let's stick to KR. > > >Dana Overall >2000 KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:38:07 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> bent center spar Message-ID: <001401c02329$8a707130$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > Could you please describe how you would make a bent spar.Do you have any > drawings that i could follow to make a bent spar? Do you have any pictures? Well, I have a solid model drawn up, but not a dimensioned drawing. Ed built his with no more than the idea planted in his head. All you do is start bending the center spar just inside of the fuselage before it exits. The caps are made from .5" thick strips of spruce laminated together, similar to the way Dr. Dean built his fuselage members. You bend it by mounting blocks to the work bench, similar to how you bend the longerons for the fuselage sides, and build the caps up in place by lamination. I don't have that model here, but I can tell you how much to bend it and where (the where is easy, just about 18" from the centerline, depending on whether yours is widened or not), and bend it at some angle to make the end of the spar have the proper dihedral. Seems like it's about 1.625 inches higher at the end than the center, but I'll check that later. Once the caps are done, you build it just like a stock spar, with blocks in the middle and plywood faces. I'll try to make a drawing, but I won't be able to touch it until next week. Benefits of this bent spar would be better wing tank drainage, slightly simplified WAF attachment, and much nicer looking wings. The downside is your gear will be about 1/2 inch "shorter", if you're using fixed gear (aren't we all?). One other thing I would do is "key" the outer spar to the inner spar, or at least butt them against each other so now there's no gap between inner and outer spars. Then you can use one bolt top and one bottom which would be in a condition closer to double shear than the stock method. Not that there's anything at all wrong with the stock method, but this wood be one bolt rather than two, and it would be easier to make the access hole much smaller. I'm headed out to pick up Mark Lougheed in Nashville shortly, and I'll see a lot of you guys tomorrow at Lake Barkley... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:46:27 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: BENT CENTER SPAR Message-ID: <002a01c015ce$e3e29ee0$d6e279a5@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C015A4.F9CF34E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll have some pictures and talk about how I set up my jig blocks and = some does and dont's, mostly don'ts, at the gathering. I'm not happy = with my first one so I will not bring it to the gathering.=20 Ed Blocher e-mail kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C015A4.F9CF34E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:33:43 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Open Room At Flyin Message-ID: There is an open room at the lodge if you need one. I had to cancel my room today due to the alternator pulley failing. Found it this morning while doing a good inspection of the engine. I'll give it a try for next year. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:32:00 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: APECORAR@steelcase.com Subject: KR2000 Gathering-bound Message-ID: Gathering-heads, After having had to pass up on attending the previous 2 gatherings (due to my mother's birthday which falls on the 26th of September ... every year! ;-) I am FINALLY going to be at this year's gathering! :-) This year my mother's birthday is on a Tuesday so I asked her if we could celebrate it the following weekend. She said "Sure, not a problem. Why? Where are you going this weekend?" "To the KR2000 Gathering in Lake Barkley, Kentucky", I replied. "It's something the KR builders do every year." "Oh, I see", she said. Then after a short period of silence she said, "Make sure to dress warm and bring a jacket." ;-) Anyhow ... I look forward to meeting all of you. I will be coming down to KY with "Video" Bob Vermeulen. We are going to stay in Cadiz on Thursday night and drive to the gathering Friday morning. Safe travels to all who are attending. See you in a couple days. Albert Pecoraro Applications Engineer, Sales & Marketing Systems Steelcase Inc. - Transforming the ways people work! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:22:10 -0500 To: From: "terry" Subject: Re: KR> KR2000 Gathering-bound Message-Id: <200009210228.e8L2SVf01012@sard.southwind.net> be takeing off at sunrise in the kr2 frome kansas to ky. be around St Louis about 10:30 so if some of you fly down thursday give me a call on 122.75 Terry chizek Marion ks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:07:33 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? Message-ID: <001e01c02368$57177560$657239ce@dana-coe> That's all you have to say "made in China" KRron -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? >I got an email last week from a guy that had seen my web page and wondered >if my turn and bank indicator (which was just like his) had created any >radio noise. I wasn't entirely sure if I had checked that, so I tried it >tonight. The radio noise level could only be described as "horrendous". >This one is a "Falcon Guage" made in China. Anybody else have a noisy one, >or is everybody else's quiet (radio interference wise)? Looks like I >screwed up trying to save a few bucks on the import... > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 00 08:31:16 -0500 To: From: jshays Subject: RE: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? Hey! My wife was made in China, I kinda resent that. But anyway a 1 or 10 uf cap across the +/- leads should fix the indicator. With regard to the wifes noise... Regards, Jeff Hays. >===== Original Message From Ron Eason ===== >That's all you have to say "made in China" > >KRron > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Langford >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:41 PM >Subject: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? > > >>I got an email last week from a guy that had seen my web page and wondered >>if my turn and bank indicator (which was just like his) had created any >>radio noise. I wasn't entirely sure if I had checked that, so I tried it >>tonight. The radio noise level could only be described as "horrendous". >>This one is a "Falcon Guage" made in China. Anybody else have a noisy one, >>or is everybody else's quiet (radio interference wise)? Looks like I >>screwed up trying to save a few bucks on the import... >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:44:31 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Stefan B." Subject: Re: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? Message-ID: <39CA1ECF.FC900C32@wanadoo.fr> jshays wrote: > But anyway a 1 or 10 uf cap across the +/- leads should fix the indicator. > Do not forget another ceramic cap of lets say 100 nF in parallel with the big one. The electrolytic condensers are bad filters for the high frequencies. Stefan Balatchev. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:53:33 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: RE: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? Message-ID: <20000921145333.10207.qmail@web1402.mail.yahoo.com> <<>> Thats such an old school attitude. Speaking of old school attitudes, that’s one country that could whip our a$$ and I firmly believe someday they will. Put Mr Gore in office and that day may be sooner than you think. “Made In China” might be the last thing some of us see as that T-72 tank thread runs us over. On an airplane note, has anyone on the list that used SmootPrime painted their aircraft yet? I am curious as to how well it held up with other then water based paint sprayed over it. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:25:25 +0200 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: RE: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? Message-ID: ...as a matter of fact, you don't want that cap inside your meter anyway, because once it shorts out, you may have to strip open your meter. Now, instead, you only mount a new one. So, there are pluses and minuses. Take care about the leads, that 10uF (electrolytic) will need to be polarised the right way, like a battery. Also make sure that 10uF is well over 12V, make it a large one like 40V or so. Maybe a good idea to make sure your instruments are protected by a fuse, and that fuse won't run your ignition, or you may be in trouble. Tantalum caps tend to be more reliable. Rgds, Peter Nauta > -----Original Message----- > From: jshays [mailto:jshays@interaccess.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:31 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: RE: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? > > > Hey! My wife was made in China, I kinda resent that. But anyway a 1 or 10 > uf cap across the +/- leads should fix the indicator. With regard to the > wifes noise... > > Regards, Jeff Hays. > > >===== Original Message From Ron Eason ===== > >That's all you have to say "made in China" > > > >KRron > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark Langford > >To: krnet@mailinglists.org > >Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:41 PM > >Subject: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? > > > > > >>I got an email last week from a guy that had seen my web page > and wondered > >>if my turn and bank indicator (which was just like his) had created any > >>radio noise. I wasn't entirely sure if I had checked that, so > I tried it > >>tonight. The radio noise level could only be described as "horrendous". > >>This one is a "Falcon Guage" made in China. Anybody else have > a noisy one, > >>or is everybody else's quiet (radio interference wise)? Looks like I > >>screwed up trying to save a few bucks on the import... > >> > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:48:01 -0700 From: Mike Mims CC: KRNet Subject: FW: Please read, look at picture, then forward on (HOAX!!!) Message-ID: <39C968D1.6B7912EF@home.com> From Police Files Origins: This "missing child alert" began circulating on the Internet on 12 October 1999, a day after the youngster was reported missing and found, safe and sound, playing at a neighbor's house a few hours after her mother claimed she'd last seen her. Also the attached picture is not even one of Kelsey Brooke Jones. Its a hoax propagated by a sick band width wasting individual. __________________ Micheal Mims Trying to get this thing done! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://explanes.com/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:11:50 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Gathering Message-ID: I'm outta here, see everyone at Lake Barkley. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:21:16 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Subject: I NEED RIDE TO GATHERING Message-ID: <61.74df6d6.26fb816c@aol.com> ANYONE GOING TO GATHERING, WILL SHARE EXPENSES. AM LOCATED BETWEEN TEXARKANA, TX AND SHREVEPORT LA. CHARLES ROBISON ATLANTA, TEXAS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:19:40 -0700 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: The -2STruss Structure Message-ID: <000801c02400$e9747fa0$23a5e2d1@peter> Hi everyone, if I don't land a contract to rebuild a set of Norseman wings this winter I will be starting my KR-2S in October! In looking over the drawings a couple of questions have arisen. One, in a move to gain interior room, has anyone ever thought of installing the top, secondary longeron BELOW the primary one, instead of inside of the primary? I would love to hear if anyone has any experience as to why this would not work. Two, has anyone noticed that all the diagaonals on the RR drawing supplement for the -2S are all 'wrong'? The load centerlines of the diagonals do not meet with the load centerlines of the verticals and longerons. I can see that as RR has drawn them, the diagonals are easier to cut and fit, but the eccentric load paths go against everything I have learned about truss structures. I am interested in hearing everyones comments on the above. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:41:39 -0400 To: "Peter Johnson" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> The -2STruss Structure Message-ID: In my opinion, it's not a truss structure, it's a bunch of glue blocks and plywood stiffeners. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Peter Johnson [mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:20 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> The -2STruss Structure Hi everyone, if I don't land a contract to rebuild a set of Norseman wings this winter I will be starting my KR-2S in October! In looking over the drawings a couple of questions have arisen. One, in a move to gain interior room, has anyone ever thought of installing the top, secondary longeron BELOW the primary one, instead of inside of the primary? I would love to hear if anyone has any experience as to why this would not work. Two, has anyone noticed that all the diagaonals on the RR drawing supplement for the -2S are all 'wrong'? The load centerlines of the diagonals do not meet with the load centerlines of the verticals and longerons. I can see that as RR has drawn them, the diagonals are easier to cut and fit, but the eccentric load paths go against everything I have learned about truss structures. I am interested in hearing everyones comments on the above. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:03:21 -0400 To: From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> The -2STruss Structure Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000921135312.0094cd30@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1078873==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Two, has anyone noticed that all the diagaonals on the RR drawing supplement >for the -2S are all 'wrong'? The load centerlines of the diagonals do not >meet with the load centerlines of the verticals and longerons. I can see >that as RR has drawn them, the diagonals are easier to cut and fit, but the >eccentric load paths go against everything I have learned about truss >structures. The design is not a classical truss for the reasons that you mentioned. Speaking as an engineer, it would be better to align the centroid of the members. From a practical standpoint, lots of truss structures are "incorrect" for a variety of reasons. With a KR, those members that are behind the rear spar can be "mis-aligned" since the loads are so much lower. In addition, the shear loads that result from the mis-alignment are carried in the plywood walls. A fabric covered, wooden fuselage would require a better design. For the benefit of those who don't know what you mean... Draw a line along the center of each member. Extend the lines until they meet. Those lines on the vertical and diagonal members should come to a point in the center of the longerons. --=====================_1078873==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 2000 13:05:00 -0700 To: "Peter Johnson" , "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: RE: KR> The -2STruss Structure Message-ID: <00019016@kaydon.com> Sounds to me like your one of those engineer types!!! That's OK, somebody h= as to do it!!! No really, the KR has been around for a long time and even t= hough the diagonals might not be exactly where they should be, the airplane= does hold up well and is a fairly easy airplane to build, especially with = the help of the Kr net. I think you'll find out that the Kr is a good airpl= ane to try new things with such as the wings, canopies and such, so if you = want to redesign the trusses, knock yourself out! I wouldn't but that doesn= 't mean anything, I'm not the smartest guy around! Hell I still fly a 20 ye= ar old ultralite!!!!! . I have a standard Kr2 that's a little over 1/2 way done so its to late for = me to make a change that's come up recently, I would suggest that those who= have not yet built there spars, take a good look at the new wing designs, = in particular the newest one that only 1 or 2 guys are working on, it's the= wing with the new airfoil and is a constant taper from the fuselage. It's = a much better looking wing then the original! You can look up Mark's web sight on the net, he's got one of the best sight= s out there and he might be able to send you in the right direction for tho= se wings! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA -----Original Message----- From: Peter Johnson [SMTP:pjohnson@voyageur.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:17 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Cc: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: KR> The -2STruss Structure Hi everyone, if I don't land a contract to rebuild a set of Norseman wings this winter I will be starting my KR-2S in October! In looking over the drawings a couple of questions have arisen. One, in a move to gain interior room, has anyone ever thought of installing the top, secondary longeron BELOW the primary one, instead of inside of the primary? I would love to hear if anyone has any experience as to why this would not work. Two, has anyone noticed that all the diagaonals on the RR drawing supplemen= t for the -2S are all 'wrong'? The load centerlines of the diagonals do not meet with the load centerlines of the verticals and longerons. I can see that as RR has drawn them, the diagonals are easier to cut and fit, but the eccentric load paths go against everything I have learned about truss structures. I am interested in hearing everyones comments on the above. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: CHINA comments of products made there! Message-ID: <20000921183018.68457.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> It is a definite and reputation warning. Don't buy the junk. I've purchased drill bits made in China and they to my astonishment unwound the fluting changed irreversibly the material must not have any alloying cobalt or nickel. The China method is: < market it like it is value> Pay the price and we have NO Retaliation. The China way is no value of life and limb. The KR aircraft advertised more bang for the buck has proven true it is an American Product Designed with a "good attitude" don't let a Bad China Attitude Indicator Creep into your cockpit least your short sightedness drive your KR into the Earth the short way to China. The saying what gos around comes around. China has absolutely no reputation for quality. Would you put ChinaStone tires (Firestone) on your KR if they where available for just $1.99 each at Wal-Mart. Not me buddie. What Arkansas-China-Wal-Mart marriage is need not corrupt your life in your KR because its your life when you fly and buy! Sincerely, Bryce Guenther KR builder/pilot/A&P?Aeronautical Engineer/victim of China Gate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:52:03 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Chinese instruments Message-ID: <9.ae63398.26fc3163@aol.com> Just for general information, the US importer of the Chinese instruments marketed under both the names of Falcon Instruments and Wultrad has had interesting comments on their instruments. My company has been contacted to be a distributor and we questioned the accuracy of the instruments. Their altimiters can be hundreds of feet off and their comment was to the effect of - why care, you can see how high you are.!!!!! Also, the engine instruments are not magnetically shielded so watch out for significant compass deviation if they are installed. I was contacted personally about two years ago as an expert witness for the FAA is a multiple suit involving tachometers and I found the quality of the tachs was total garbage. The units I reviewed had (as an example) structural screws holding with less than one full thread of engagement! Very poor quality along with errors of more than 30%. Buyer beware if it is made in China in my humble opinion. Bob Lasecki Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:20:26 -0400 To: , From: "Tim Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> Chinese instruments Message-ID: <005501c0247e$bb24bc40$66d12581@default> Lets hope they make Nuclear bombs the same way, we would have nothing to worry about. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:52 PM Subject: KR> Chinese instruments > Just for general information, the US importer of the Chinese instruments > marketed under both the names of Falcon Instruments and Wultrad has had > interesting comments on their instruments. My company has been contacted to > be a distributor and we questioned the accuracy of the instruments. Their > altimiters can be hundreds of feet off and their comment was to the effect of > - why care, you can see how high you are.!!!!! Also, the engine instruments > are not magnetically shielded so watch out for significant compass deviation > if they are installed. > > I was contacted personally about two years ago as an expert witness for the > FAA is a multiple suit involving tachometers and I found the quality of the > tachs was total garbage. The units I reviewed had (as an example) structural > screws holding with less than one full thread of engagement! Very poor > quality along with errors of more than 30%. > > Buyer beware if it is made in China in my humble opinion. > > Bob Lasecki > Chicago > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:36:38 -0500 (CDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: shanspur@webtv.net (shannon spurgeon) Subject: silicone & paint Message-ID: <19425-39CAEFE6-2951@storefull-626.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Well guys, I finally got over to Cessna's paint shop and asked what their special process is for cleaning surfaces contaminated with silicone prior to painting. The man looked wild-eyed for a second, then gave several suggestions to try. Basically, clean with anything and everything you can get your hands on, from soap to wax remover, throwing in the trash any piece of paper or cloth that has come in contact with the surface and MIGHT have silicone on it. Then you dry sand and wipe with a dry cloth. Throw away the sandpaper and cloth. Wash again. Then you might try painting, and pray that it'll stick. I got the idea that paint shop would like to ban silicone from the face of the earth. In short, keep it away from anything you're going to paint. If you need a good mold release, stick with the tried and true: Johnsons paste wax and pva. I have made many layups using nothing more than five coats of wax and had no problems getting the cured parts out. Guess we'd best not try to reinvent the wheel here. By the way, for my own selfish reasons, (short drive / flight) I'm all for Ponca next year. Happy building and flying Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:37:14 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: 2001 Gathering Message-ID: Cleo wrote, about Ponca City: >We have a club house that is complete with a full blown kitchen >and a smoker, which we will use OK, but just don't inhale ;o) Yes, according to my GPS this will put the 2001 Gathering 464 SM closer to me (and other West Coast folks). Still a good stretch, though... over 1400 SM. And Mark wrote: >It does look like a nice place >Maybe this is my incentive to get mine flying by then. >Then I won't have to drive Yeah, Mark, but how will you fit all that "pop" into your KR if you fly and don't drive? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:31:04 +0200 To: From: "Leigh" Subject: Stainless Steel use in Landing Gear Message-ID: <000e01c02538$9e439780$2f9aef9b@intekom.co.za> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02549.60A76F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Netters I am considering using Stainless Steel tubing and plate to constuct my = nose gear. Grades 304 and 316. This is due to the readiness of = availability etc. Is there any reason why I should not do this? 4130 = plate is difficult to get here and is much more expensive. Has anybody = else tried this or had experience in similar mechanical applications. = If usable, should one have it heat treated to remove all the stresses = after welding etc. Any advice would be great. Cheers Leigh Cape Town =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02549.60A76F80-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************