From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 9 Oct 2000 01:57:57 -0000 Issue 104 Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 5:58 PM krnet Digest 9 Oct 2000 01:57:57 -0000 Issue 104 Topics (messages 2408 through 2436): Re: shipping 2408 by: David Mullins 2409 by: The House of D's nosewheel 2410 by: james mcdonaugh Re: if Ken Rand were alive... 2411 by: Greg S Martin scarfing 2412 by: Timothy Brown 2425 by: Peter Johnson 2427 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Southwest Regional Fly-In 2413 by: Frank Ross Shipping/Thank You 2414 by: Frank Ross 2416 by: Edwin Blocher Negitive contact...looking 2415 by: rossy.teleport.com Re: New Wing 2417 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 2418 by: Lon V Boothby Oldest Flying KRs 2419 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 2423 by: Krwr1.aol.com 2433 by: Dave KR B-17s, C-47s, etc. 2420 by: Frank Ross 2422 by: Floyd Dickinson 2429 by: Frank Ross Re: [hummel] Support (and KR) 2421 by: Gaston Landry A positive comment!!! 2424 by: Mark Jones Flaps and other thoughts 2426 by: AviationMech.aol.com 2428 by: Dave and Tina Goodman registration 2430 by: larry flesner New designes 2431 by: Robert Stone Pictures 2432 by: DClarke351.aol.com Re: lock nuts 2434 by: w.g. kirkland 2435 by: Frank Ross 2436 by: JEAN VERON Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 22:04:21 -0400 From: David Mullins CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> shipping Message-ID: <39DE84A5.3B33347A@ici.net> Frank, Check on air cargo. My spruce kit came from Western Aircraft Supplies in Calgary to Boston. It weighed 150# in two 10" sonotubes. One was 14' long the other was 10' long. Total cost: $85 by Northwestern air cargo. Also Rich Parker and I had our canopies shipped in the same box to New Hampshire from CA. Reg cost $200, our discounted cost $100, weight 59# shipped through Red Star Express Dave M Nashua, New Hampshire Frank Ross wrote: > > Netheads, > Who do you contact to ship oversize, but light weight > objects. I know that businesses are not paying what > Fed Ex wants to ship a canopy from CA to TX. I was > quoted $800 for a 4'x4'x2' box weighing 65lbs (they > don't care what it really weighs, their computer says > a 4'x4'x2' box WILL weigh 450lbs). To ship a 15' x 8' > x4' box, regardless of weight, across the country is > only a little over $8000. We are not talking about air > mail here, just plain old surface transportation that > can take as long as needed. Maybe some of you have > some better knowlege of how shipping of oversize > objects is done by folks who do it for a living. Any > ideas? > Thanks, > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:51:46 -0500 To: "David Mullins" From: "The House of D's" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> shipping Message-ID: Check your yellow pages for a LTL (Less Than Load) trucking company. Yellow, American, etc. and a hundred other road names do it. You can also find local packing and crating company if you need help with that. -----Original Message----- From: David Mullins [mailto:dmullins@ici.net] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:04 PM Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> shipping Frank, Check on air cargo. My spruce kit came from Western Aircraft Supplies in Calgary to Boston. It weighed 150# in two 10" sonotubes. One was 14' long the other was 10' long. Total cost: $85 by Northwestern air cargo. Also Rich Parker and I had our canopies shipped in the same box to New Hampshire from CA. Reg cost $200, our discounted cost $100, weight 59# shipped through Red Star Express Dave M Nashua, New Hampshire Frank Ross wrote: > > Netheads, > Who do you contact to ship oversize, but light weight > objects. I know that businesses are not paying what > Fed Ex wants to ship a canopy from CA to TX. I was > quoted $800 for a 4'x4'x2' box weighing 65lbs (they > don't care what it really weighs, their computer says > a 4'x4'x2' box WILL weigh 450lbs). To ship a 15' x 8' > x4' box, regardless of weight, across the country is > only a little over $8000. We are not talking about air > mail here, just plain old surface transportation that > can take as long as needed. Maybe some of you have > some better knowlege of how shipping of oversize > objects is done by folks who do it for a living. Any > ideas? > Thanks, > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 23:48:09 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: james mcdonaugh Subject: nosewheel Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001006234809.007ac390@127.0.0.1> netters having just bought a kr1 but not feeling comfortable with my skills as taildrager pilot.i am looking to change it to trike.it has fixed spring for mains.am looking for a compleat nose gaear assy.and any info.abput it. thanks jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:36:01 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Greg S Martin Subject: Re: KR> if Ken Rand were alive... Message-ID: <20001006.213601.-180859.1.idrawtobuild@juno.com> On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 20:46:08 GMT "Oscar Zuniga" writes: > I forgot one last little thought. If Ken Rand were alive today and > were on > the KRNet, you guys who knew him personally, please tell me: would > he still > be flying his original retract gear, pull-grab brakes, > standard-width cabin, > Dacron-skinned, KR? From what I have read of Ken, he was constantly > trying > new things and new ideas on his airplane. I'd like to think that he > would > be out there feeding the frenzy, keeping his creation alive and > developing, > and maybe incorporating other builders' ideas into his marketed > kits. Who > knows; we might be up to the KR-22 or something by now. > > Jeanette Rand is to be admired for continuing Ken's business as > successfully > as she and her daughter have over these years. Simple, > straightforward, and > still around (unlike the many, many companies who are/were way more > "high > tech" but aren't around today). Sadly, however, Jeanette is not a > homebuilder so she may not share our consuming desire to be out > there > building and flying, and I'm not sure she stays awake many nights > (like I > do) thinking about how she's going to assemble something or what to > work on > next, or how much her plane will weigh, or how to arrange things on > her > panel, or if an Altimizer carb might work better than a Zenith, > or.... you > get my drift? > > G'night, folks. Happy Friday. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. Oscar Z Though the comments belwo were directed at Mark and his comments. I still think that it's applicable. But I don't think any of Janettes actions are aimed at keeping us from making our own improvements. I do remember Ken. I drew the second set of plans for the KR-1 that Ken sold. And yes, he was always looking for ways to improve the KR's. But the over riding concern was, 'K I S S'. It seemed to me that was the Safety and Simplicity were of utmost importance. He felt that if it was simple, it would stand to reason that it would also remain affordable. I certainly feel that he hit what he aimed for. But Janette has her reasons. And for her I beleive this is all working just as Ken would have had it in this circumstance. To me he was a person with a real understanding of the want and desires of the beer budget, want to be airplane owner. And yes, prices have gone up. But in comparission, it's still a very exellent plane and performance for the money. 'Earlier comments following'. Mark Don't give it another though. I have noticed that in many conversations over 20 plus years with Janette. She some times forgets what she has said on a particular subject. And this just sounds like another frayed receptor link. And she just wants to protect he income. I guess I'd be feeling the same too. I would also say that she seems to be rather protective of the original design only because she seems to be under the impression that only 'Ken' should be the one to make any changes. Certainly not someone she doesn't know to be making changes. And since he's no longer with us, well you can understand her side of this situation. Personally I think the new wing is a great improvement to the design. Happy (keep) building and/or flying. Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com 1783 Glenwood Court Bakersfield, California 93306 work 661-861-0570, fax 861-0517 home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:56:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: scarfing Message-ID: <20001007045600.78842.qmail@web9502.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone else want to chime in on the question of placing scarf joints over cross members. Is it really necessary inasmuch as T-88 is stronger than the wood itself? Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:49:38 -0700 To: "Timothy Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Re: KR> scarfing Message-ID: <000401c030d8$a7472260$8509eccf@peter> Hi Tim. Regarding the need to scarf sheets on members, it is not necessary if you follow a couple of basic requirements. 1) the scarf width should be a MINIMUM of 1 to 8, 1 to 10 is better. 2) the joint is well cut. Use a jig and a sharp hand plane to acheive this. 3) preglue the panels before setting on the framework. If you do the above, you are in affect working with a single sheet of ply the length and width of the fuse framework. Remember, just because the glue is stronger than the wood does not mean you can get away without a proper scarf joint. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: KR> scarfing > Anyone else want to chime in on the question of > placing scarf joints over cross members. Is it really > necessary inasmuch as T-88 is stronger than the wood > itself? > > Tim > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:15:20 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: scarfing Message-ID: There are really three issues here; 1 The joint must be correctly scarfed, as Peter Johnson said, and 10/1 is actually below minimums for a "field repair" which is essentially what this joint is. 2 The standards were set up based on resorcinal glues, which are no longer approved, and a real pain to use. 3 The "plans" suggestion was probably based on maling one layup panel at a time, in which case the crossmember made a handy "clamping" point. Do-able in a small shop if you don't have room to pre-assemble the panel. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:26:16 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Southwest Regional Fly-In Message-ID: <20001007072616.27434.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Any KRs planning to go to the EAA SW Regional in Abiline on Oct 20-21? I know it follows Copperstate and that might make it difficult. More info at www.swrfi.com and 800-727-7704. Besides, who wants to go to Copperstate on a Friday 13th? ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:28:41 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Shipping/Thank You Message-ID: <20001007072841.29837.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> My sincere thanks to all who replied to my questions about shipping. I think I will be able to find some reasonably priced ways to get some KR parts across the country now. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks again ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:39:22 -0500 To: "Frank Ross" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Shipping/Thank You Message-ID: <005201c0307d$275faa00$7ae579a5@computer> One more thing to check, If you can have uour truck shipment sent to a business it will cost about half as much as sending it to a residence. ED Ed Blocher e-mail kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Ross To: Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 2:28 AM Subject: KR> Shipping/Thank You > My sincere thanks to all who replied to my questions > about shipping. I think I will be able to find some > reasonably priced ways to get some KR parts across the > country now. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks again > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:17 +0000 To: ",joejbeyer\\\\\\\\\\\\\\@earthlink.net" From: Cc: Subject: Negitive contact...looking Message-ID: <20001007161627.668.qmail@relay1.teleport.com> Sorry for using KR bandwidth for this, but I don't have John Bouyea's email address with me. To Joe Beyer & John Bouyea, I'm sorry, but I'm having a heck of a time getting in touch with you guys...(my fault) I'm going to breakfast at the HIO restraunt, then think I might head down to CVO. The hotel number is 503-640-3500 I will turn my cell on shortly, it's Number is 602-326-5088 -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:46:23 EDT To: rossy@teleport.com, GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> New Wing Message-ID: <11.a18ad64.2710ad5f@cs.com> In a message dated 10/6/00 8:38:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rossy@teleport.com writes: << Gary, Wait! What about a four engine KR inspired flying boat? Or a DC3? Building a KR inspires many new ideas ... think of Lancair! --Ross >> The DC3 has been in the front row of possible home builts also. Let me explain how this all fits into the KR world. #1 I like to go where no man has gone before. When I have at least 6 people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to build what ever it is, then I know I'm on the right track. Look back in history. The great inventors were all told they were in "left field." I have used this method at work and advanced some of our systems by as much as 10 years ahead of our competitors. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX !!!!!!!!!!! #2 Ken's airplane is a very large model. All models are pretty much built the same. the only thing that makes them look different is the outside shape. Remember the WAR line of planes? Same structure, different outside shape? Well, that's what I will be doing for the future airplanes. They will be KRs inside, just look different on the outside. Stop and think what Ken Rand gave us. The only limit with his little airplane is our own mind. Longer wings, shorter wings, new airfoil, old airfoil, fixed gear, retracts, VW,Corvair, Suber, ect. It never can end. No mater what we do to it, she will still be a KR inside. Now that I put you to sleep, that's how the KR fits into my twin and 4 engine projects. Gary Hinkle (A/P & Dreamer) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:57:23 -0700 To: GARYKR2@cs.com From: Lon V Boothby Cc: rossy@teleport.com, GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> New Wing Message-ID: <20001007.095724.-3761359.7.LBoothby@juno.com> Way to go Gary! Keep thinking! Lon ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:01:59 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Oldest Flying KRs Message-ID: Does anyone know who, what, and the where's of the oldest flying KRs. Mine was finished and flown in the fall of '77, But I know there were those going before mine. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:58:04 EDT To: GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Oldest Flying KRs Message-ID: <37.b2e8a08.2710f66c@aol.com> Mine was flying JUNE 76. kR-1 1500 HRS Bill Reents krwr1@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:17:18 +1300 To: , From: "Dave" Subject: Re: KR> Oldest Flying KRs Message-ID: <002c01c03164$daac7600$bd9e60cb@e2u4f6> Good idea Gary.... My KR2-S registration ZK-CSR was first flown on 24th August 1984. See details of her at http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~fly David J Stuart Security Technologies Email sectec@i4free.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 6:01 AM Subject: KR> Oldest Flying KRs > Does anyone know who, what, and the where's of the oldest flying KRs. > Mine was finished and flown in the fall of '77, But I know there were > those going before mine. > Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:42:01 -0700 (PDT) To: GARYKR2@cs.com, rossy@teleport.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: KR B-17s, C-47s, etc. Message-ID: <20001007174201.20795.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Gary, Sounds so crazy it might just work. As I look at the fuselage of the "larger" planes, the big problem I see is the same one the WAR planes, and even KR has. When you put a human in it, the cockpit size gets out of proportion - windows too far to the front, etc. Phil Maynards idea of reclining pilot may be helpful. Just a few little things to work out. Can't wait to see what you come up with. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:41:20 -0400 To: Frank Ross From: Floyd Dickinson CC: GARYKR2@cs.com, rossy@teleport.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR B-17s, C-47s, etc. Message-Id: <200010072141.RAA19252@mail1.capital.net> Think fast - as in P38 style for a twin.... wow Frank Ross wrote: > Gary, > Sounds so crazy it might just work. As I look at the fuselage of the > "larger" planes, the big problem I see is the same one the WAR planes, > and even KR has. When you put a human in it, the cockpit size gets out > of proportion - windows too far to the front, etc. Phil Maynards idea > of reclining pilot may be helpful. Just a few little things to work > out. Can't wait to see what you come up with. > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:36:56 -0700 (PDT) To: Floyd Dickinson From: Frank Ross Cc: GARYKR2@cs.com, rossy@teleport.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR B-17s, C-47s, etc. Message-ID: <20001008053656.25857.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Or Twin-Mustang, as in two KR1s...Now that's a quick and real possibility. --- Floyd Dickinson wrote: > Think fast - as in P38 style for a twin.... wow > > Frank Ross wrote: > > > Gary, > > Sounds so crazy it might just work. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:05:03 ADT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Fwd: [hummel] Support (and KR) Message-ID: I got this message from the Hummel Bird list I'm on, and thought it would apply just as well, to kr builders...they have example price quotes for all sorts of material, including wood... read on... Gaston >From: "Sharon Hale" >To: "Hummel List" >Subject: [hummel] Support >Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:33:46 -0700 > >list > >I came accross a web site that may be of help to us: >http://sirius-aviation.com/ >They don't claim the HummelBird amoung the specific designs they support, >but they do claim to supply metal and moral support. I'd bet a few >contacts from HB builders and they would see the light! > >Check it out, it can't hurt and it just may help! > >Tom Hale _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:16:59 -0500 To: CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: A positive comment!!! Message-ID: <39DFA0DB.260BCA81@execpc.com> Friends and fellow builders, I would like to place a positive post concerning a product sold by William Wynne. There has been so much negative feedback lately, I thought this might be a bit refreshing. Today, I received my Prop Hub from William Wynne and I must say this is a work of art. William truly found the correct machinist to fabricate the Prop Hub. I have been around enough machined parts in my career to know quality when I see it. This hub is quality!!! I have temporary fitted the Prop Hub on my engine and it sure does add a fine touch to the overall looks. I am sure the rest of you who have ordered and received this Prop Hub from William will agree with me on this. Every time I get a new part for my engine or plane I just get that much more motivated. Will I fly my KR to the 2001 Gathering? I say yes and my wife says I will never finish by then. I just love to prove her wrong! I have gotta start kicking assssssssssssss on building. See YA.... -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:31:35 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Flaps and other thoughts Message-ID: After my stimulating return from the gathering, I started computer school and have missed a few days of the net. Looks like I almost missed this excellent session on the subject that the net covers the best, disagreements and hot opinions. My Kr is far from stock, I have modified meny little things and now I hope that no one will ever discovers them. I wouldn't like to be in the bunch that gets stoned, or has to give up the right to call his bird a KR. Just think of all the tri geared, dragon fly canopied, non retract, non-VW engined machines that are making Ken flip in the dirt. Good luck to the disgruntled, and to the rest, keep showing up at the events so that the rest of us can admire your work, your experimental spirit and copy what you have done. And now the Flap. Mark your quote is close enough. For many years Tweetie, (My planes name), and I flew without them. Each time we landed, unless the runway was wide, about all we could see was a little spot over my left sholder, sometimes only grass and no concrete. One day I asked myself what if those little flaps in the newsletter improved my attitude just a little, would it be worth the 5 extra pounds of aft cg. After landing a few more times with one of those little wheels in the grass and the other on the pavement, I concluded that I must be the worst pilot flying a KR, or something must be done. The truth is, that most people, KR pilots especially, dont like to talk about problems, so they tough it out, or sell the plane with only a few hours, because they are scared. Some pilots are so good they don't need to see. Some birds are nose heavy and cant land with the nose high. Others land at 70 to 80 on the mains, after a flat desent. I made improvements to get my nose down so I could see. My flaps rotate my nose down greater then 10 deg, which makes a world of difference. More exactly from nose high to about 5 deg below the Horizion. Please remember this. before this forum, the old news letters, and present one's generally presented suggestions and success stories. For this forum to be of the greatest beneifit to participants, more then one opinion is necessary. Even the most intelligent and sober of participants will ocassionally disagree and become emotional. Keep up the good healthy KR communications. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:07:57 -0700 To: From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Re: KR> Flaps and other thoughts Message-ID: <001401c030e5$b9a339a0$3f780ccf@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C030AB.0C628D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > My Kr is far from stock, I have modified meny little things and=20 > now I hope that no one will ever discovers them. I wouldn't like to = be in=20 > the bunch that gets stoned, or has to give up the right to call his = bird a=20 > KR. My aircraft will be so far from original that I will not even register = it as a KR-2S. Instead, it will be a "Rapture-1". I do not believe it = fair to the designer to register an aircraft with all the modifications = I have made as his product. If I crack it up and become a statistic, I = will not be a mark against Ken Rand, or his designs. I am sure others will have a different view of this idea... Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C030AB.0C628D20-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:11:59 -0500 To: From: larry flesner Subject: registration Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001008091159.0088d8a0@mail.midwest.net> >My aircraft will be so far from original that I will not even register it as a KR-2S. Instead, it will be a "Rapture-1". I do not believe it fair to the designer to register an aircraft with all the modifications I have made as his product. If I crack it up and become a statistic, I will not be a mark against Ken Rand, or his designs. >Dave "Zipper" Goodman ========================================================================= Dave and fellow netters, My KR, too, will be highly modified but I'm planning on registering it as a "KR-2 Modified" so it can be searched out in the data base in case of an accident. By searching for KR* you can come up with the different variants. If we register 100 KR's under different names, build them heavy, and the wings all fall off, who's going to know?????? Just food for thought....... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:23:33 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: New designes Message-ID: <002301c0313b$bb333260$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C03111.CF7302C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Net members: the following adds nothing to help builders but is offered = as historical information only. At the time of Ken Rand's death, he had = already designed and built the prototype of his amphibian. It was = crashed in testing and was being rebuilt at the time of his death. His = next project was to be a four place twin that would look much like a = Beach Barron but smaller. It was to be fitted with Revmaster 2100 = engines. If Ken had survived all of this would have come to pass = because no matter what the problems were, he would have solved them = Bob Stone ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C03111.CF7302C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:18:18 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DClarke351@aol.com Subject: Pictures Message-ID: <62.7d982bd.2712146a@aol.com> I hope all those I sent the pictures of my Subaru engine got them. For more information concerning the engine contact me via E- Mail or call me at 915-755-0588 (El Paso, Tx) Don Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:44:26 -0400 To: From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> lock nuts Message-ID: <000001c03171$b07e3320$a7905bd1@kirkland> Don; Another trick is to put a stripe of nailpolish on the nut and bolt so you can see if they have moved relative to each other. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Reid" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:56 PM Subject: Re: KR> lock nuts > At 07:43 PM 10/3/2000 -0700, Bob Smith wrote: > >Is it acceptable to use nylon lined lock nuts (AN) for the bolts that hold > >on the hinges through the spruce spars for hstab, elevator, vstab, and > >rudder? The plans say its OK but we all know about those plans. > > > >I have already used them on my elevator so its a done deal. But I am about > >to bolt on my hinges to the vstab and rudder and could use the castellated > >ones with cotter pins and drilled bolts. > > If there is no motion between the parts, then a lock nut can be used. The > hinges to the spar is a perfect example of using the lock nut. > > If there is motion between the parts, like one hinge half to the other, > then the castle nut and cotter pin must be used. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:16:38 -0700 (PDT) To: "w.g. kirkland" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> lock nuts Message-ID: <20001008221638.23000.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Don; Another trick is to put a stripe of nailpolish on the nut and bolt so you can see if they have moved relative to each other. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND Bill, That's what I told my wife when she found that nail polish in my glove box. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:58:53 -0500 To: "w.g. kirkland" , From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> lock nuts Message-ID: <000701c03194$7c0fb960$34111b3f@computer> One suggestion to save some grief. Have your wife buy it for you. About 5 years ago I had a red Sonerai II. I had this terrific idea to use fingernail polish for touch up paint. I took a paint chip to the local cosmetic counter and picked one out. When I was finished I put it in the glove compartment. One day we were driving along and my wife got int the glove compartment and found It. Not her kind or color. ----- Original Message ----- From: w.g. kirkland To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:44 AM Subject: Re: KR> lock nuts > Don; Another trick is to put a stripe of nailpolish on the nut and bolt so > you can see if they have moved relative to each other. > W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > kirkland@vianet.on.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Reid" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: KR> lock nuts > > > > At 07:43 PM 10/3/2000 -0700, Bob Smith wrote: > > >Is it acceptable to use nylon lined lock nuts (AN) for the bolts that > hold > > >on the hinges through the spruce spars for hstab, elevator, vstab, and > > >rudder? The plans say its OK but we all know about those plans. > > > > > >I have already used them on my elevator so its a done deal. But I am > about > > >to bolt on my hinges to the vstab and rudder and could use the > castellated > > >ones with cotter pins and drilled bolts. > > > > If there is no motion between the parts, then a lock nut can be used. The > > hinges to the spar is a perfect example of using the lock nut. > > > > If there is motion between the parts, like one hinge half to the other, > > then the castle nut and cotter pin must be used. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************