From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 15 Oct 2000 22:55:43 -0000 Issue 108 Date: Sunday, October 15, 2000 2:56 PM krnet Digest 15 Oct 2000 22:55:43 -0000 Issue 108 Topics (messages 2527 through 2552): Thomasville, Ga. 2527 by: Tom Crawford Re: Corviar vs Subaru 2528 by: David Barner 2530 by: Greg S Martin Re: Fuel Filters 2529 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 2537 by: HAshraf.aol.com 2538 by: Phil Maynard 2539 by: Gaston Landry 2540 by: Ron Eason 2551 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Re: KR2 for sale.] 2531 by: Ross Youngblood fuel 2532 by: Al Friesen Gear Springs 2533 by: Tim Bellville 2550 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Please unsuscribe 2534 by: Hugo Bustos Re: Wallpaper 2535 by: Robert Stone 2536 by: Mark Jones 2541 by: Robert Stone UNSUBSCRIBE/unsubscribe/UNSUBSCRIBE 2542 by: Don Woodard 2543 by: Mark Langford 2546 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) Hinge doublers 2544 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 2548 by: Donald Reid 2549 by: Donald Reid KR-1 For Sale 2545 by: Clay1Pilot.aol.com which carb? 2547 by: Dr. No carbs. 2552 by: jwells1.impop.bellatlantic.net Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:30:54 -0400 To: KR-net users group From: Tom Crawford Subject: Thomasville, Ga. Message-ID: <39E79B2E.C88@ufl.edu> Anyone planning to go to the fly in this weekend in Thomasville, Ga.? I hear it's a good one. I plan to arrive (with 2TC) before noon on Sat. Hope to see some KR netters. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:28:41 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: David Barner Subject: Re: KR> Corviar vs Subaru Message-ID: <39E79AA9.D6323427@frognet.net> Mark if the filter plugged up that fast on a fuel injection system it must have been some really bad gas, but if it was carbureted it would have happened faster, and you would have had to clean out the carb as well as replace the filter. The fuel pumps on fuel injected engines are capable of putting out over 100lbs of pressure.Most carb systems use 12psi at the most and if you use a good filter it will shut off the fuel long before the fuel injected system, and if it is gravity feed it's worse. Mark Langford wrote: > Dana wrote: > > > When you decide to go with a reduction drive, you are > > adding something else out on the front of that engine to go wrong... > > At the risk of looking like a pile-on, I have to agree. Fuel injection > falls into that same category, since it's usually electronic, and utilizes > much smaller orifiices for the fuel to flow thru (since it's under pressure) > than most one barrel carburetors. One tiny bit of contamination can take > out a cylinder or the whole fuel system. A good fuel filter is obviously > required, but since it has very small "passages" it doesn't take much to > plug the whole thing up. My wife once bought a tank of rusty fuel for her > fuel injected Rabbit, and got maybe 10 miles before it suddenly died. > Although the filter on it was only a few months old, it was completely > plugged with fine particles of rust! A new filter and she was on the road > again. Of course this particular scenario could happen to a carburetor as > well, but usually a carb won't get totally plugged up like that. I had > originally planned to use CIS injection, but I'm starting out with a > carburetor. > > Electronic ignition is another one. Works fine when it works, but when it > quits you're going down if that's all you've got. Points in a distributor > wear out slowly over a long period of time, and rarely just die suddenly. > That's where I plan to start... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:00:24 -0700 To: jsellars@auracom.com From: Greg S Martin Cc: scotts@stratech.com, pjohnson@voyageur.ca, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Corviar vs Subaru Message-ID: <20001013.210025.-38105351.0.idrawtobuild@juno.com> On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:09:08 -0300 James Sellars writes: PS incase you didn't hear I'm looking for a project to > finish, > as I was forced down by fuel contamination and the airframe of my > bird is > broken. Regards; Jim Jim: I have a 2s that I'm unable to finish. As of yet, I can't even find time to finish the changes of my KR-1. It's nice to have all this work. But I don't have any time to get my bird back in the air. A simple description. It's an 's' model without the 2" in front of the main spar. The center spars are two piece spliced vertically and ply over. The horiz tail feathers are installed with the elevator. Vert. tail posts, front and rear are installed w/ rudder. I have made the cabin area 2 7/8" wider on the outside with the inside 3 3/8" wider. I used a 7/8" longeron instead of doubling up on the 5/8" material. Better strength in this manner. I have the turtle back (cut in half because of the width), canopy and frame and instrument cover all in carbon fiber. That alone cost $2,100. I have spars in but not set. Control cables in with bell cranks installed. Give me a call and I'll try to answer them. Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com 1783 Glenwood Court Bakersfield, California 93306 work 661-861-0570, fax 861-0517 home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:58:46 -0400 To: "Ron Lee" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Fuel Filters Message-ID: The first answer is: My freind Tim , a Military tanker pilot, in a Varieze. Fuel contamination from fiberglass tank. Second, a cropduster in our area, Piper Pawnee, crack FG tang in accident, burned to death. Third, Spezio Tuholer, minor impact in an aborted landing, FG tank cracked, front passenger burned fatally. There are more....I don't know if there are any statistics, but on an anecdotal basis, I am very "anti" on fiberglass tanks. Also, I know that opinions are like as****es, everybody has their own, and nobody wants to look at yours. But, whatever, at least it's free. Returning to the origional issue, all homebuilts are more prone to fuel contamination, especially early in their flights. USE a good fuel filter, as far up-system as you can Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Lee [mailto:ronlee@pcisys.net] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 3:59 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters I can't let this one go unanswered. Some folks might get the wrong impression that a fiberglass tank is bad. Considering the thousands of glass planes in use, and to my knowledge to major issue, please clarify the incident you allude to with details that clearly state all the facts so that valid conclusions can be made. Ron Lee I'm aware of several accidents due >to fuel failure, one especially bad involving a "fiberglass" tank. (One of >my favorite Peeves in homebuilts.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:02:33 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters Message-ID: <98.b56383b.2719eba9@aol.com> In a message dated 10/13/00 5:54:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ron.martha@mindspring.com writes: << The first answer is: My freind Tim , a Military tanker pilot, in a Varieze. Fuel contamination from fiberglass tank. Second, a cropduster in our area, Piper Pawnee, crack FG tang in accident, burned to death. Third, Spezio Tuholer, minor impact in an aborted landing, FG tank cracked, front passenger burned fatally. There are more....I don't know if there are any statistics, but on an anecdotal basis, I am very "anti" on fiberglass tanks. Also, I know that opinions are like as****es, everybody has their own, and nobody wants to look at yours. But, whatever, at least it's free. Returning to the origional issue, all homebuilts are more prone to fuel contamination, especially early in their flights. USE a good fuel filter, as far up-system as you can >> I think concern a fiberglass fuel tank inside the fuselage are very real. However, I think that because of the fact that it uses a simple gravity feed system that preempts a lot of fuel system related problems it is still a good choice. I think that the header fuel tank should be designed so it has better impact surviability than human body (say 25 g). If pilot survives the crash than the tank survives otherwise it des not matter much. Obviously the avionics and instruments should also be secured using the same criteria. I have read a lot of crash reports in which a post crash fire ensues when a wing tank ruptures and fuel is spilled all over. In a crash a wing tank (especially the ones that store fuel in the leading edge) are very vulnerable to repture. For my 2S I am using an RR fiberglass header tank but reinforcing it with two layers of Kevlar. you can see that at: http://members.aol.com/hariskr2sa/fuel_tank/main.html With my limited experience with fiberglass work, I have noticed that epoxies are very sensitive to mixing time and ambient temperature. I do most of fiberglass work when the temperatures are above 90 degF and the epoxy (EZ-pozy) always cure rock hard. At 70 degf I can feel a little sticky sheen on the surface. It does go away in few weeks though. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:01:28 -0400 To: From: "Phil Maynard" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters Message-ID: <000a01c03621$ed370300$c801a8c0@wall1.pa.home.com> Somewhat related to this, 20 years ago while I was building my kr2, I'd heard of a product called explosafe or something similar to that. It was developed for the race car industry and the idea was that it acted like a sponge and in the event of a tank rupture and fire, the fuel would still burn but it wouldn't explode. As I remember it was a rigid foam that was cut to fit the tank and reduced the capacity of the tank by 3%. I'd already built my tanks by the time I heard of it. Is anybody familiar with what happened to that product? I have been out of the homebuilding scene for quite a while and I don't know it it's still available or something to consider for aircraft tanks. Phil Maynard Ridley Park, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters > In a message dated 10/13/00 5:54:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ron.martha@mindspring.com writes: > > << The first answer is: > My freind Tim , a Military tanker pilot, in a Varieze. Fuel contamination > from fiberglass tank. > > Second, a cropduster in our area, Piper Pawnee, crack FG tang in accident, > burned to death. > > Third, Spezio Tuholer, minor impact in an aborted landing, FG tank cracked, > front passenger burned fatally. > > There are more....I don't know if there are any statistics, but on an > anecdotal basis, I am very "anti" on fiberglass tanks. Also, I know that > opinions are like as****es, everybody has their own, and nobody wants to > look at yours. But, whatever, at least it's free. > > Returning to the origional issue, all homebuilts are more prone to fuel > contamination, especially early in their flights. USE a good fuel filter, > as far up-system as you can > >> > I think concern a fiberglass fuel tank inside the fuselage are very real. > However, I think that because of the fact that it uses a simple gravity feed > system that preempts a lot of fuel system related problems it is still a good > choice. > > I think that the header fuel tank should be designed so it has better impact > surviability than human body (say 25 g). If pilot survives the crash than the > tank survives otherwise it des not matter much. Obviously the avionics and > instruments should also be secured using the same criteria. > > I have read a lot of crash reports in which a post crash fire ensues when a > wing tank ruptures and fuel is spilled all over. In a crash a wing tank > (especially the ones that store fuel in the leading edge) are very vulnerable > to repture. > > For my 2S I am using an RR fiberglass header tank but reinforcing it with > two layers of Kevlar. you can see that at: > > http://members.aol.com/hariskr2sa/fuel_tank/main.html > > With my limited experience with fiberglass work, I have noticed that epoxies > are very sensitive to mixing time and ambient temperature. I do most of > fiberglass work when the temperatures are above 90 degF and the epoxy > (EZ-pozy) always cure rock hard. At 70 degf I can feel a little sticky sheen > on the surface. It does go away in few weeks though. > > Haris Ashraf > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:58:47 ADT To: pmaynard@bellatlnatic.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters Message-ID: Phil, Try www.explosafe.com :o) (That was just WAAY too easy... hehe) Gaston >From: "Phil Maynard" >Reply-To: "Phil Maynard" >To: >Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters >Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:01:28 -0400 > >Somewhat related to this, > >20 years ago while I was building my kr2, I'd heard of a product called >explosafe or something similar to that. It was developed for the race car >industry and the idea was that it acted like a sponge and in the event of a >tank rupture and fire, the fuel would still burn but it wouldn't explode. >As >I remember it was a rigid foam that was cut to fit the tank and reduced the >capacity of the tank by 3%. I'd already built my tanks by the time I heard >of it. Is anybody familiar with what happened to that product? I have been >out of the homebuilding scene for quite a while and I don't know it it's >still available or something to consider for aircraft tanks. > >Phil Maynard >Ridley Park, PA > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:02 PM >Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters > > > > In a message dated 10/13/00 5:54:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > ron.martha@mindspring.com writes: > > > > << The first answer is: > > My freind Tim , a Military tanker pilot, in a Varieze. Fuel >contamination > > from fiberglass tank. > > > > Second, a cropduster in our area, Piper Pawnee, crack FG tang in >accident, > > burned to death. > > > > Third, Spezio Tuholer, minor impact in an aborted landing, FG tank >cracked, > > front passenger burned fatally. > > > > There are more....I don't know if there are any statistics, but on an > > anecdotal basis, I am very "anti" on fiberglass tanks. Also, I know >that > > opinions are like as****es, everybody has their own, and nobody wants >to > > look at yours. But, whatever, at least it's free. > > > > Returning to the origional issue, all homebuilts are more prone to fuel > > contamination, especially early in their flights. USE a good fuel >filter, > > as far up-system as you can > > >> > > I think concern a fiberglass fuel tank inside the fuselage are very >real. > > However, I think that because of the fact that it uses a simple gravity >feed > > system that preempts a lot of fuel system related problems it is still a >good > > choice. > > > > I think that the header fuel tank should be designed so it has better >impact > > surviability than human body (say 25 g). If pilot survives the crash >than >the > > tank survives otherwise it des not matter much. Obviously the avionics >and > > instruments should also be secured using the same criteria. > > > > I have read a lot of crash reports in which a post crash fire ensues >when >a > > wing tank ruptures and fuel is spilled all over. In a crash a wing tank > > (especially the ones that store fuel in the leading edge) are very >vulnerable > > to repture. > > > > For my 2S I am using an RR fiberglass header tank but reinforcing it >with > > two layers of Kevlar. you can see that at: > > > > http://members.aol.com/hariskr2sa/fuel_tank/main.html > > > > With my limited experience with fiberglass work, I have noticed that >epoxies > > are very sensitive to mixing time and ambient temperature. I do most of > > fiberglass work when the temperatures are above 90 degF and the epoxy > > (EZ-pozy) always cure rock hard. At 70 degf I can feel a little sticky >sheen > > on the surface. It does go away in few weeks though. > > > > Haris Ashraf > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:02:09 -0500 To: "Phil Maynard" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters Message-ID: <000601c0362a$6791ab20$427239ce@dana-coe> Summit Racing has a flexible foam that you wod up and stuff into the tank thru the fill nozzle its open cell and liquids flow thru it quickly, it used in drag car for safety. I am using it in my tanks. KRron -----Original Message----- From: Phil Maynard To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters >Somewhat related to this, > >20 years ago while I was building my kr2, I'd heard of a product called >explosafe or something similar to that. It was developed for the race car >industry and the idea was that it acted like a sponge and in the event of a >tank rupture and fire, the fuel would still burn but it wouldn't explode. As >I remember it was a rigid foam that was cut to fit the tank and reduced the >capacity of the tank by 3%. I'd already built my tanks by the time I heard >of it. Is anybody familiar with what happened to that product? I have been >out of the homebuilding scene for quite a while and I don't know it it's >still available or something to consider for aircraft tanks. > >Phil Maynard >Ridley Park, PA > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:26:39 -0700 To: From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001015142639.007395d4@localaccess.com> At 05:01 PM 10/14/2000 -0400, Phil Maynard wrote: >Somewhat related to this, > >20 years ago while I was building my kr2, I'd heard of a product called >explosafe or something similar to that. It was developed for the race car >industry and the idea was that it acted like a sponge and in the event of a >tank rupture and fire, the fuel would still burn but it wouldn't explode. As >I remember it was a rigid foam that was cut to fit the tank and reduced the >capacity of the tank by 3%. I'd already built my tanks by the time I heard >of it. Is anybody familiar with what happened to that product? I have been >out of the homebuilding scene for quite a while and I don't know it it's >still available or something to consider for aircraft tanks. > >Phil Maynard >Ridley Park, PA Netters, Richard Finch has a booklet called "Aircraft Fire Protection" on the use of safety foams in fuel tanks. He also recommends auto racing fuel cells as a good idea. Summit Racing's fuel cells are available with Explosafe foam already installed. Finch Engineering 1-505-585-8037 Tracy O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:44:20 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: [Fwd: KR2 for sale.] Message-ID: <39E7E4A4.DAFA7DF6@teleport.com> --------------E7470E89FC09980E22F0F493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------E7470E89FC09980E22F0F493 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by relay1 (mbox rossy) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 13 20:59:55 2000) X-From_: Donald_Norris@Dell.com Fri Oct 13 18:08:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: rossy@teleport.com Received: (qmail 17326 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 17:54:19 -0000 Received: from ausxc06.us.dell.com (HELO ausxc06.aus.amer.dell.com) (143.166.99.78) by smtp6.teleport.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 17:54:19 -0000 Received: by ausxc06.aus.amer.dell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <45482DY0>; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:52:41 -0500 Message-ID: <05177752E28BD3118E0F009027AC7D3101DCA936@ausxmrr208.us.dell.com> From: Donald_Norris@Dell.com To: rossy@teleport.com Subject: KR2 for sale. Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:50:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Ross, I have a KR2 that was built in 1979, last registration number on it is 38TF. I believe this to be the last plane owned by Tim Firestone. I purchased it through a relative of his. I am in the unfortunate situation of the wife is getting very uptight about her garage not having space for her car and (this one is a good thing) two small girls that need me as a father. I am looking to sell it along with a Porsche converted engine, pretty much everything needed to do a tri-gear on it (work already started) and manuals, old KR newsletters, two props, one ground adjustable wood. I am asking $5500/OBO (also there is a $100 finders fee for a reference leading to a sale, as I understand time is money) if you know of or hear of anyone looking for a project. there is some minor glass de-lam areas that look like bubbles, which I have been told are easy to fix. And I would think about remounting the instruments in a new panel, someone had modified the panel by cutting out the bottom, looks like a long legI have pictures I can email. Thanks for the consideration, I look forward to hearing from you. I can be reached at Donald Norris 236 Crooked Hollow Road Elgin, Texas 78621 512-281-4272 dlnorris@ev1.net Donald Norris New Product Technical Training Resource Group Central Repository Data Administrator Senior Systems Analyst Dell Learning Corporate 512-723-0363 512-783-5946 PGR --------------E7470E89FC09980E22F0F493-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:53:38 -0700 To: From: "Al Friesen" Subject: fuel Message-ID: <004001c034ea$b3c508c0$92cb6cce@s8z8i0> ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C034B0.05D35BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys, If you have a strainer in the fuel tank and get fuel contamination will = the strainer plug up and starve the engine. I like the fuel filtered = were I can get at it to clean out the crud if any. I vacuumed the tank = but suspect some junk pasted to the tank which I will check for when I = do my runups next week. The guy that built my tank and airframe built = this tank about 3/16" thick if it busts on impact I will be toast = anyway. Al Friesen To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Filters ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C034B0.05D35BC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:34:41 -0400 To: From: "Tim Bellville" Subject: Gear Springs Message-ID: <009601c035db$20a88980$0dd12581@default> I know this is off topic and a different Airplane but this list has been so helpful in the past I thought I'd try. I am looking for a steel gear spring for my sonerai as I plan on doing alot of flying from grass strips, and I want a stronger main gear then the aluminum. Does anyone have one that they would sell or trade? Thanks Tim Sonerai I N2206X ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:18:34 -0700 To: "Tim Bellville" , From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Re: KR> Gear Springs Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001015141834.00739ba4@localaccess.com> Netters, The Corby Starlet uses steel gear legs: You can contact them at CSN 1335 Robinhood Lane, S. Lakeland, FL 33813 I believe that Hammerhead aviation can also supply steel legs: www.hammerhead-aviation.com Tracy O'Brien PS: re fuel filters and F/G tanks: My $100.00 twelve gallon racing fuel cell from Summit Racing is looking better all the time! At 08:34 AM 10/14/2000 -0400, Tim Bellville wrote: >I know this is off topic and a different Airplane but this list has been so >helpful in the past I thought I'd try. >I am looking for a steel gear spring for my sonerai as I plan on doing alot >of flying from grass strips, and I want a stronger main gear then the >aluminum. >Does anyone have one that they would sell or trade? >Thanks >Tim >Sonerai I >N2206X > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:43:11 -0300 To: From: "Hugo Bustos" Subject: Please unsuscribe Message-ID: <005401c035ed$13f94b40$ec1a1ac8@LocalHost> ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C035D3.EE1CA480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PLEASE UNSUSCRIBE , UNSUSCRIBE UNSUSCRIBE UNSUSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C035D3.EE1CA480-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:02:28 -0500 To: "Edwin Blocher" , "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Wallpaper Message-ID: <004801c035ef$c6151460$0101a8c0@pavilion> Edwin: I tried to look at your web site (WWW.historicwings) and got nothing but , "this page not available".............?????? Bob Stone rlspjs@dashlinks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Blocher" To: "KRNet" Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:49 PM Subject: KR> Wallpaper I know you all are enjoying the wallpaper of Martys KR and I know Mark L. has a lot of spare time :) plus a lot of KR pictures. Wouldn't it be nice to have a new one every month. WWW.historicwings has one with a callender. OK Mark, being the good guy that you are, what do you say. Let's all vote for Mark. He needs another feather in his cap (to go with the one he already has. Cheers Mark, ED Ed Blocher e-mail kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:22:17 -0500 To: Robert Stone From: Mark Jones CC: Edwin Blocher , KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Wallpaper Message-ID: <39E87A28.7F65BF3A@execpc.com> Here is the link. Works fine! http://www.historicwings.com Mark Jones Robert Stone wrote: > Edwin: I tried to look at your web site (WWW.historicwings) and got nothing > but , "this page not available".............?????? > > Bob Stone > > rlspjs@dashlinks.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edwin Blocher" > To: "KRNet" > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:49 PM > Subject: KR> Wallpaper > > I know you all are enjoying the wallpaper of Martys KR and I know Mark L. > has a lot of spare time :) plus a lot of KR pictures. > Wouldn't it be nice to have a new one every month. WWW.historicwings has one > with a callender. > OK Mark, being the good guy that you are, what do you say. > Let's all vote for Mark. He needs another feather in his cap (to go with the > one he already has. > Cheers Mark, > ED > Ed Blocher > e-mail kr-n899eb@mindspring.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:30:23 -0500 To: "Mark Jones" From: "Robert Stone" Cc: "Edwin Blocher" , "KRNet" Subject: Re: KR> Wallpaper Message-ID: <001d01c0362e$59b4f1c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Thanks all, I used the web site on the Mark Jones message and got it up just fine. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Robert Stone" Cc: "Edwin Blocher" ; "KRNet" Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: Re: KR> Wallpaper > Here is the link. Works fine! http://www.historicwings.com > > Mark Jones > > Robert Stone wrote: > > > Edwin: I tried to look at your web site (WWW.historicwings) and got nothing > > but , "this page not available".............?????? > > > > Bob Stone > > > > rlspjs@dashlinks.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edwin Blocher" > > To: "KRNet" > > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:49 PM > > Subject: KR> Wallpaper > > > > I know you all are enjoying the wallpaper of Martys KR and I know Mark L. > > has a lot of spare time :) plus a lot of KR pictures. > > Wouldn't it be nice to have a new one every month. WWW.historicwings has one > > with a callender. > > OK Mark, being the good guy that you are, what do you say. > > Let's all vote for Mark. He needs another feather in his cap (to go with the > > one he already has. > > Cheers Mark, > > ED > > Ed Blocher > > e-mail kr-n899eb@mindspring.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:54:34 PDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Don Woodard" Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE/unsubscribe/UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:31:43 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> UNSUBSCRIBE/unsubscribe/UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <001701c03636$e97ef780$f2de8e18@300emachine> On Woodward wrote: > UNSUBSCRIBE/unsubscribe/UNSUBSCRIBE OK guys. this is really not that tough. First, read the message at the bottom of each and every email that you receive from KRNet, paying particular attention to the one in the middle, "To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org ". This means that all you have to do is double-click on the highlighted (if it's blue) URL and hit "send" when the blank message appears on your screen. If it's not blue, cut and paste the address into your "To" box in a blank message and then "send" it. If you don't know how to cut and paste, key the address into the "To" box and then "send" it. No other action is required. Note that simply "replying" to a KRNet email doesn't get you anywhere, no matter how many times you type "unsubscribe", whether or not you capitalize it, and regardless of where you put it. Maybe that's why we have 600 members. Nobody can figure out how to unsubscribe. I'm sorry we made it so difficult for you guys. Well, here's your way out! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:02:41 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: RE: KR> UNSUBSCRIBE/unsubscribe/UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: And these Guys are building aircraft !!!!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford [SMTP:langford@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 1:32 AM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> UNSUBSCRIBE/unsubscribe/UNSUBSCRIBE > > On Woodward wrote: > > > UNSUBSCRIBE/unsubscribe/UNSUBSCRIBE > > OK guys. this is really not that tough. First, read the message at the > bottom of each and every email that you receive from KRNet, paying > particular attention to the one in the middle, "To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org ". This means that all you have to do > is > double-click on the highlighted (if it's blue) URL and hit "send" when the > blank message appears on your screen. If it's not blue, cut and paste the > address into your "To" box in a blank message and then "send" it. If you > don't know how to cut and paste, key the address into the "To" box and > then > "send" it. No other action is required. > > Note that simply "replying" to a KRNet email doesn't get you anywhere, no > matter how many times you type "unsubscribe", whether or not you > capitalize > it, and regardless of where you put it. > > Maybe that's why we have 600 members. Nobody can figure out how to > unsubscribe. I'm sorry we made it so difficult for you guys. Well, > here's > your way out! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. All opinions expressed are the sender's own and not necessarily that of the employer. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:44:18 -0700 To: From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Hinge doublers Message-ID: <008401c03641$0e9083e0$b4780ccf@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C03606.60B8C780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is the 3/32 plywood doubler really needed for the hinges on the elevator = and rudder? If one has the aluminum backing plates, what purpose does = the extra plywood serve here? I cannot see how this will significantly = strengthen the hinge/spar interface... so I am either missing something = very basic here or they really are not needed. Any inputs would be = appreciated. Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C03606.60B8C780-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:13:30 -0400 To: From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Hinge doublers Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001015090923.00958b00@pop.erols.com> --=====================_7424223==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:44 PM 10/14/2000 -0700, Dave and Tina Goodman wrote: >Is the 3/32 plywood doubler really needed for the hinges on the elevator >and rudder? If one has the aluminum backing plates, what purpose does the >extra plywood serve here? I cannot see how this will significantly >strengthen the hinge/spar interface... The aluminum backing plate spreads the load over a wide area and prevents crushing the wood. When a side load is applied to the hinge (perpendicular to the axis of the spar) the wooden fibers will try to tear apart. The plywood is the re-inforcement to prevent this. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL construction at http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://users.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_7424223==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:17:15 -0400 To: From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Hinge doublers Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001015091458.0095da50@pop.erols.com> --=====================_7649173==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:13 AM 10/15/2000 -0400, Donald Reid wrote: >At 05:44 PM 10/14/2000 -0700, Dave and Tina Goodman wrote: >>Is the 3/32 plywood doubler really needed for the hinges on the elevator >>and rudder? If one has the aluminum backing plates, what purpose does >>the extra plywood serve here? I cannot see how this will significantly >>strengthen the hinge/spar interface... > >The aluminum backing plate spreads the load over a wide area and prevents >crushing the wood. When a side load is applied to the hinge >(perpendicular to the axis of the spar) the wooden fibers will try to tear >apart. The plywood is the re-inforcement to prevent this. It also distributes the load stress around the hole into a wider area and prevents a stress concentration. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL construction at http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://users.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_7649173==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:50:11 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Clay1Pilot@aol.com Subject: KR-1 For Sale Message-ID: <13.c0770f3.271a6753@aol.com> I live in vegas and i have a project i need to sale i want to fly not build and that is my only problem i need to sell mine and find another kr-2 possibly finished email me directly and ill get you pictures thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:40:21 -0500 To: krnet From: "Dr. No" Subject: which carb? Message-ID: <39E9514B.2FCBE14A@pol.net> I have an entire1835 sitting next to that boat thing with wing stubs. Entire, except for a carburator. I'm looking for opinions on different types (Posa, Zenith, GP, Revmaster, whatever). Of course I do have a spare 34 PICT 3 around here somewhere... Scott 1/2 of KR2.5 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:52:41 -0400 To: krnet From: jwells1@impop.bellatlantic.net Subject: carbs. Message-ID: <39EA3539.8776C0A8@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> Scott, go with the zenith carb. I have 2 posa carbs, 1 from my plane,1 from a friend. I worked with the posa untill it ran great, did alot of taxi testing,on 1st flight of my kr engine quit shortly after takeoff, I landed in a field, rolled out till wheels sank in soft dirt and plane flipped over, put on new prop,new canopy , threw posa as far as I could and put on zenith carb and have flown 90 hrs without a single carb problem. I'm sure some people have good luck with the posa carbs but I don't know the magic formula to make it work. jerry wells N8089K ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************