From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 13 Nov 2000 04:25:12 -0000 Issue 123 Date: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:25 PM krnet Digest 13 Nov 2000 04:25:12 -0000 Issue 123 Topics (messages 2898 through 2927): Re: rudder pedal return spring 2898 by: virgnvs.juno.com 2900 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 2901 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 2902 by: larry flesner 2904 by: virgnvs.juno.com 2905 by: virgnvs.juno.com 2906 by: virgnvs.juno.com 2907 by: larry flesner 2910 by: Krwr1.aol.com tailwheel, cg 2899 by: shannon spurgeon Finish Paint techniques 2903 by: Mike Mims 2909 by: Frank Ross 2914 by: Ned Thomas 2916 by: The House of D's 2918 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Return Spring 2908 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER control options 2911 by: Drew Swenson 2913 by: Mark Jones 2919 by: GARYKR2.cs.com fiberglass vs. plywood 2912 by: Drew Swenson R-R 2915 by: George Allen Re: CG 2917 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout floor 2920 by: Timothy Brown 2923 by: Gognij.aol.com 2927 by: Albert Pecoraro Polyurethane Paint 2921 by: Doug Peyton Teflon Tape 2922 by: Doug Peyton Wing/fiberglassing 2924 by: Carter Pond 2925 by: Carter Pond painting with a roller 2926 by: Steven Eberhart Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 21:55:41 -0500 To: flesner@midwest.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: virgnvs@juno.com, KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-ID: <20001111.220700.-171155.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Loss of a spring!Virg On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:33:25 -0600 larry flesner writes: > At 10:52 PM 11/10/00 -0500, virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > > Do not like the failure mode that could happen with > >that setup. Loop system is better, Virg > ======================================================================= > > Virg, > > I too use the spring system and not the closed loop. Spring system > is much simpler. What failure mode do you find unacceptable in the > spring system that would not be just as critical in the loop system? > > I've seen certified aircraft with "no system at all" , spring or > loop, and they seem to fly o.k. , not that I'd go that route. > > Larry Flesner > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:10:03 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-ID: In a message dated 11/10/00 11:08:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, virgnvs@juno.com writes: << Do not like the failure mode that could happen with that setup. Loop system is better, Virg >> 1. Have you ever tried this system in an actual application? 2. What type of failure mode are you referring too? If you, or anybody thinks there system, or another, is better or worse, please explain in detail instead of just a one sentence blurb. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:35:28 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-ID: <3e.3670570.274004b0@aol.com> In a message dated 11/11/00 10:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, virgnvs@juno.com writes: << Loss of a spring!Virg >> The simple loss of a spring on the non pressure, side of this system would only require you to apply slight pressure to take out any slack on the non critical rudder pedal. That's what people do anyway on an open system. I've flown several GA aircraft that had an open system with/without a return sprint. You are not using the spring to return the rudder to a centering position, or anything else. It is simply a means to "pull" (and ever so slightly) the rudder pedal back towards the firewall. You talking KISS, well this is it. This, in my book, is not a "failure", as it in no way affects the any critical element of the safety envelope. Hey, if this continues......................I want a recount:-) Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:31:27 -0600 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com,krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001112103127.00836b80@mail.midwest.net> I got a reply on the rudder spring failure that I'm not sure went to the entire net so I'll share the bottom line of the reasoning given. If the return springs are installed with too much tension so that a failure of any componet on one side , other than the spring, i.e. cable , fitting, etc. , would result in full rudder deflection in the other direction, it could be a problem. The lesson here , as I see it, would be to keep the spring tension light enough to take out cable slack but not give rudder deflection that overpowers airloads in flight. That should give you a reasonable chance to fly and land the aircraft in the event of a failure. In light of this , I intend to check mine by removing one cable at the rudder and check the deflection amount and pressure and lighten the spring pressure if necessary. This is nothing more than a guess at best. Something to think about.......... On Dana's point, one line replys without reasons are not very helpful and are easily dismissed even if they may be correct. Just my humble opinion. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:01:55 -0500 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-ID: <20001112.130414.-234065.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Not known for verbosity, Virg On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:10:03 EST KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 11/10/00 11:08:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > virgnvs@juno.com writes: > > << Do not like the failure mode that could happen with > that setup. Loop system is better, Virg >> > > 1. Have you ever tried this system in an actual application? > > 2. What type of failure mode are you referring too? > > If you, or anybody thinks there system, or another, is better or > worse, > please explain in detail instead of just a one sentence blurb. > > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:07:56 -0500 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-ID: <20001112.131457.-234065.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Guess that I have said enough, Virg On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:35:28 EST KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 11/11/00 10:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > virgnvs@juno.com writes: > > << Loss of a spring!Virg >> > > The simple loss of a spring on the non pressure, side of this system > would > only require you to apply slight pressure to take out any slack on > the non > critical rudder pedal. That's what people do anyway on an open > system. I've > flown several GA aircraft that had an open system with/without a > return > sprint. You are not using the spring to return the rudder to a > centering > position, or anything else. It is simply a means to "pull" (and > ever so > slightly) the rudder pedal back towards the firewall. You talking > KISS, well > this is it. > > This, in my book, is not a "failure", as it in no way affects the > any > critical element of the safety envelope. > > Hey, if this continues......................I want a recount:-) > > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:11:45 -0500 To: flesner@midwest.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-ID: <20001112.131457.-234065.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Our intellegence level should make any of my replies obvious. Think outside the box, think. determine for yourself if the failure mode with one system is better than another. Guess that I get out of breath easily, Virg On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:31:27 -0600 larry flesner writes: > > > > I got a reply on the rudder spring failure that I'm not > sure went to the entire net so I'll share the bottom > line of the reasoning given. If the return springs are > installed with too much tension so that a failure of > any componet on one side , other than the spring, i.e. cable > , fitting, etc. , would result in full rudder deflection > in the other direction, it could be a problem. The lesson > here , as I see it, would be to keep the spring tension > light enough to take out cable slack but not give rudder > deflection that overpowers airloads in flight. That should > give you a reasonable chance to fly and land the aircraft > in the event of a failure. In light of this , I intend to check > mine by removing one cable at the rudder and check the deflection > amount and pressure and lighten the spring pressure if necessary. > This is nothing more than a guess at best. Something to think > about.......... > > On Dana's point, one line replys without reasons are not > very helpful and are easily dismissed even if they may be correct. > > Just my humble opinion. > > Larry Flesner > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:37:15 -0600 To: virgnvs@juno.com From: larry flesner Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001112133715.007e5100@mail.midwest.net> At 01:11 PM 11/12/00 -0500, virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > Our intellegence level should make any of my replies >obvious. Think outside the box, think. determine for yourself >if the failure mode with one system is better than another. >Guess that I get out of breath easily, Virg ===================================================================== Virg, I'll not speak for others on the net but I guess my intellegence level is not up to par! The failure mode that could cause a problem was not obvious to me until I got a second post that sent me down the right road (I'm assuming that is the correct road at this point). Adding a second line to clearify your opinion shouldn't get you too much out of breath. Besides, a little heavy breathing is not always a bad thing !!!:) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:44:05 EST To: virgnvs@juno.com, flesner@midwest.net From: Krwr1@aol.com CC: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedal return spring Message-ID: <28.d2e8955.27406925@aol.com> What are your feet doing on a spring failure? the only thing the springs does is keep the slack out of the cable when your feet is off the rudder peddles. I think there's a lot of worrying about nothing. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:39:32 -0600 (CST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: shanspur@webtv.net (shannon spurgeon) Subject: tailwheel, cg Message-ID: <25170-3A0E4934-6965@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Sorry for the incomplete info, guys. Let's make that all who logged tailwheel time before the cutoff, and all who fly homebuilts. This'll teach me to finish my homework. Another good reason for building my own plane, although I won't fly a taildragger without getting some practice first. Just my chicken attitude. On the center of gravity question, the stability of your plane is affected by the position of cg in relationship to the center of lift. So if the -s wing is the same as the non-stretch version, the 8 to 16 inches will be the same. This one I HAVE done my homework on. Incidentally, experience with R/C models has shown that a balance point (cg) about 25 to 30 % of the mean chord yields a well behaved craft. You might think this is an apple / orange issue, but they all fly by the same physics. Keep the faith Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Finish Paint techniques Message-ID: <20001112171354.3742.qmail@web1402.mail.yahoo.com> Have any of you ever watched Ship Shape TV on Speedvision? The guy on there just applied the finish coat on his boat project using a foam roller and a fine hair paint brush. I am here to tell you that the finish was better than 75% of the homebuilt airplanes I have ever seen! Does anyone know what this product is? I didn't catch the name but I highly recommend this stuff for those of you who may be spray paint impaired! It just seemed to he the best option for someone like myself. No special equipment needed, no overspray issues, and very durable. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I had one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:11:41 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Mims , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Finish Paint techniques Message-ID: <20001112201141.21843.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mike Mims wrote: > Have any of you ever watched Ship Shape TV on > Speedvision? The guy on there just applied the > finish > coat on his boat project using a foam roller and a > fine hair paint brush. I am here to tell you that > the > finish was better than 75% of the homebuilt > airplanes > I have ever seen! Does anyone know what this product > is? Mike, I'd like to know more about this. On another note...watching an overpriced video on composite construction, sanding carbon fiber the dust particles are electrically conductive and can ruin electric motors that the dust gets into. Something to think about... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:07:21 -0600 To: Mike Mims From: Ned Thomas CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Finish Paint techniques Message-ID: <3A0F22A8.3A521201@mmcable.com> Hello Mike, I have seen the "Ship Shape" Episode on Roll and Tip painting. They demonstrated painting the vertical sides of a boat with polyester urethane. I saw it several months ago and when I saw it scheduled to come on again I stayed up till 2 AM to video tape it. I have thought about trying the method out on my plane. Here is what I gathered from the show: They used U.S. Paint products. They started out stressing the extreme importance of putting a great deal of "sweat equity" into the pre-paint prep stage. They showed the products they used. They used a filler called "AllFair", an epoxy based, bondo like filler. They then used HiBuild. A thick epoxy based primer that is sandable. It left some pinholes which they filled with Evercoat which is like "spackling." I believe all the above was applied by hand. Then they sprayed on Finish primer "545" waited 24 hours and sanded with 320 grit, alcohol wiped and tac rag wiped. Then they were ready to paint. They painted with Awlgrip. As best I could read the label it was a linear polyester off white paint. I'm not sure if it was one or two part paint. The paint had some additives in it. They did not tell how much to add but they used a brushing catylist called "AwlCat 3" and a reducer called US Paint "Reducer". To apply the paint they used a foam roller and a excellent quality "Badger hair, tapered tip, brush." They rolled on about a 2 foot section and then lightly brushed across the section "tipping" the brush up and away at the end of the stroke. It is harder to describe than just seeing it done, but it looked fairly simple and straight forward. The Ship Shape show host, John Greviski practiced the method after watching the "pro" do it after only a couple minutes. You could see that John used too much pressure on the brush leaving brush lines in the surface. However, the paint did flow even as they showed the surface after it dried and it looked great. They used only one coat of paint. I haven't decided whether to invest in buying the paint and trying it yet. It does look promising. What I have gathered from others is that a good paint finish will most likely come thru "color sanding". That is, by using increasingly finer grit sand paper and then polishing compound to "buff out" all the irregularities that come from ametuer paint booth techniques..... such as dust and bugs and such. The method above only used one coat. I would think that I would want more than one coat so that I had enough thickness to "color sand." Let me know if you learn anymore about the technique. Ned Mike Mims wrote: > Have any of you ever watched Ship Shape TV on > Speedvision? The guy on there just applied the finish > coat on his boat project using a foam roller and a > fine hair paint brush. I am here to tell you that the > finish was better than 75% of the homebuilt airplanes > I have ever seen! Does anyone know what this product > is? I didn't catch the name but I highly recommend > this stuff for those of you who may be spray paint > impaired! It just seemed to he the best option for > someone like myself. No special equipment needed, no > overspray issues, and very durable. > > ===== > ........| > .......-^- > ....-/_____\- > ...(O\__o__/O) > ...[#]oxxxo[#] > -----Y2K Bug--- > Yes I had one! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:16:23 -0600 To: From: "The House of D's" Subject: RE: KR> Finish Paint techniques Message-ID: If someone answers this directly, please post the answer to the net. I have been crying over the thought of parting with $5K to paint my 172. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims [mailto:kr2sflyer@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 11:14 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Finish Paint techniques Have any of you ever watched Ship Shape TV on Speedvision? The guy on there just applied the finish coat on his boat project using a foam roller and a fine hair paint brush. I am here to tell you that the finish was better than 75% of the homebuilt airplanes I have ever seen! Does anyone know what this product is? I didn't catch the name but I highly recommend this stuff for those of you who may be spray paint impaired! It just seemed to he the best option for someone like myself. No special equipment needed, no overspray issues, and very durable. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I had one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:52:37 -0500 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: Finish Paint Techniques Message-ID: House of D's said... If someone answers this directly, please post the answer to the net. I have been crying over the thought of parting with $5K to paint my 172. ========== =================== It's the prep that makes the paint job Most of that $5k goes into getting it ready to paint. Applying the final coat is almost anticlimactic. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:50:38 -0500 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: Return Spring Message-ID: This is shaping up to be another asinine behavior pattern. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:52:29 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Drew Swenson Subject: control options Message-ID: <381045374.974065951724.JavaMail.root@web192-wra> I am nearing the stage of choosing what controls to use; I just cannot seem to decide between stick or wheel. They both have disadvantages and advantages, but I would like to here from KR flyers to see what their view torard this decision. Thank you, Drewlive@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:20:00 -0600 To: Drew Swenson From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> control options Message-ID: <3A0F1790.2956A5E6@execpc.com> Drew, Keep it simple and use the stick. Besides, I have never heard of a KR with a wheel. Seem like it would be a complex set up with unnecessary weight added. MJ Drew Swenson wrote: > I am nearing the stage of choosing what controls to use; I just cannot seem to decide between stick or wheel. They both have disadvantages and advantages, but I would like to here from KR flyers to see what their view torard this decision. > > Thank you, > Drewlive@prodigy.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:54:44 EST To: drewlive@prodigy.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> control options Message-ID: <91.2d77004.274095d4@cs.com> In a message dated 11/12/00 4:52:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewlive@prodigy.net writes: << I am nearing the stage of choosing what controls to use; I just cannot seem to decide between stick or wheel. They both have disadvantages and advantages, but I would like to here from KR flyers to see what their view toward this decision. Thank you, Drewlive@prodigy.net >> Having flown every thing from a J-3 to a C421 the stick in a KR has a natural feeling. A wheel would not be my first choice. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:01:44 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Drew Swenson Subject: fiberglass vs. plywood Message-ID: <387397216.974066504599.JavaMail.root@web114-wra.mail.com> Is it safe to use fiberglass in place of the plywood. I have been reading and found fiberglass is stronger and lighter than plywood. If I used fiberglass in place of plywood (just for exterior panneling) will it decrease the overall strength of the complete plane. Thank you, Drewlive@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:33:17 -0500 To: , "Mark Langford" , "Matthew McCarthy" , "saunders" , , "Suk Hi Ross" , , "Ross Youngblood" , , , , "Bobby Whisenant" , From: "George Allen" Subject: R-R Message-ID: <000a01c04d00$f0b36000$90a7dcd8@george> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C04CD7.0662ED00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know what happened to fly-kr home page? It seems to have = disappeared. George Allen ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C04CD7.0662ED00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:36:28 -0500 To: RFG842@AOL.COM From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> CG Message-ID: <20001112.193629.-259003.0.klw1953@juno.com> Good news---------N6399U passed with flying colors, under all load conditions sitting on 3 calibrated scales,I stayed well within the specified range. Even with my Engineer friend at 170Lbs in the right seat and me at 240lbs I was still 2" fwd of my aft CG. The bare aircraft came in at 636 lbs, and with myself ,Dwight, and full fuel, gross was 1121 lbs. I don't know if flying at that weight would be practical though, since the plans only call for something less than 1000lbs. Any thoughts?????--------------Kenny ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:43:09 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: floor Message-ID: <20001113014309.50563.qmail@web9504.mail.yahoo.com> What have others done to support the aft edge of the ply floor as shown in the KR2S plans. There is no horizontal member in front of the spar where the floor is shown to end. Should I put in a 5/8 X 5/8 there? To decrease weight, maybe a 5/8 by 3/8 or 2/8? Thanks for the help. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:02:34 EST To: timwbrown@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> floor Message-ID: <9a.c21e257.2740b3ca@aol.com> Tim, I used some stock 5/8 inch spruce. If you really want to save weight! Do not put the floor all the way back to the spar. I have seen pictures of some of the older KR aircraft with a partial floor. Emanual Sparks, I believe is one of them. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 23:25:07 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> floor Message-ID: <007601c04d29$b517af00$92d1b23f@steelcase.com> Tim, I epoxied a piece of 5/8"x5/8" spruce in that location after I had the belly skinned. I also installed the typical gusset blocks. The aft edge of this piece should mate perfectly with the forward (bottom) edge of your center spar when it is installed. Happy building. Albert Pecoraro http://home.earthlink.net/~gryphonflier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: KR> floor > What have others done to support the aft edge of the > ply floor as shown in the KR2S plans. There is no > horizontal member in front of the spar where the floor > is shown to end. Should I put in a 5/8 X 5/8 there? > To decrease weight, maybe a 5/8 by 3/8 or 2/8? > Thanks for the help. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 03:37:11 CET To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Doug Peyton" Subject: Polyurethane Paint Message-ID: What are/is the necessary weather conditions for spraying two-part polyurethane paint? Does this stuff require controlled conditions? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 04:02:21 CET To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Doug Peyton" Subject: Teflon Tape Message-ID: In the instructions for installing the oil pressure sending switch, which has 1/8" NPT, it says one MAY NOT use teflon tape. That seems mighty strange to me. Does anyone know why we should'nt use teflon tape for this application? I've a strong inclination to go ahead with teflon tape any way. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:13:46 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Carter Pond Subject: Wing/fiberglassing Message-ID: <3A0F869A.664FD725@home.com> Is it possible/safe to fiberglass in doors i.e. my basement? Or will the smell/vumes be to much? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:14:05 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Carter Pond Subject: Wing/fiberglassing Message-ID: <3A0F86AC.12B34ADB@home.com> Is it possible/safe to fiberglass in doors i.e. my basement? Or will the smell/fumes be to much? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:29:07 -0600 (CST) To: KR-Net From: Steven Eberhart Subject: painting with a roller Message-ID: Mike, I screwed up and deleted your question about painting with a roller. Go to Tony K's Europa site and see what he has to say about Poly Fiber's method. THe URL is: http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/ and then scroll down to the June 2000 update. THat is where he starts talking about the roll on top coat. Any of the rest of you KR builders that haven't been to Tony's site - do your self a favor and check it out. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************