From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 18 Nov 2000 22:56:03 -0000 Issue 126 Date: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:56 PM krnet Digest 18 Nov 2000 22:56:03 -0000 Issue 126 Topics (messages 2985 through 3014): Prop Clearance 2985 by: Florin L Pintea 2997 by: Richard Selix 3001 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: CONTROL WHEEL/Newsletters 2986 by: Gognij.aol.com 2995 by: virgnvs.juno.com 3002 by: B&B Muse Re: fuel tanks 2987 by: Albert Pecoraro 2992 by: GARYKR2.cs.com TRI-GEAR 2988 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 2989 by: Mark Jones 2990 by: Albert Pecoraro Teflon tape 2991 by: Ralph H Snyder archives on CD 2993 by: Oscar Zuniga ACCESSORY CASES 2994 by: Schmidt, Curtis Re: pants 2996 by: Frank Ross Re: Finish Paint techniques 2998 by: Frank Ross WING SKINS 2999 by: Schmidt, Curtis Re: NEWSLETTERs 3000 by: Mark Langford 3007 by: Horn2004.aol.com 3011 by: CHOCTAWCWR.aol.com Continental engine 3003 by: Carter Pond 3004 by: Albert Pecoraro 3008 by: Frank Ross site 3005 by: Al Friesen Re: NEWSLETTERs, first flight of KR2S in Netherlands 3006 by: Peter Nauta An introduction 3009 by: Andrew 3014 by: Robert Stone Re: RULES OF THE AIR 3010 by: w.g. kirkland 3012 by: ROBERT COOPER AIR RULES 3013 by: Phil Visconti Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:22:11 -0700 To: "KR-Net" , "Corvaircraft" From: "Florin L Pintea" Subject: Prop Clearance Message-ID: Hello fellow netters, Would any of you be able to enlighten me what would be the minimum safe prop to ground clearance and what would be the desirable please. I know it probably doesn't matter whether it is for conventional of tri gear, but I'm going with tri (KR-2S with 'Vair). Thanks! FLORIN L. PINTEA KR-2S SKUNK WORKS @ CALGARY, ALBERTA, CANADA mailto: florinpi@home.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:51:41 -0800 To: Florin L Pintea From: Richard Selix CC: KR-Net , Corvaircraft Subject: Re: KR> Prop Clearance Message-ID: <3A157E3D.750DF35B@earthlink.net> Greetings Florin: I believe the acceptable clearance is at least 9 inches, although you will see some homebuilts with less than that. Richard. Florin L Pintea wrote: > Hello fellow netters, > > Would any of you be able to enlighten me what would be the minimum safe prop > to ground clearance and what would be the desirable please. I know it > probably doesn't matter whether it is for conventional of tri gear, but I'm > going with tri (KR-2S with 'Vair). > Thanks! > > FLORIN L. PINTEA > > KR-2S SKUNK WORKS @ CALGARY, ALBERTA, CANADA > > mailto: florinpi@home.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:41:13 EST To: florinpi@home.com, krnet@mailinglists.org, corvaircraft@usm.edu From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Prop Clearance Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/00 8:22:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, florinpi@home.com writes: << Would any of you be able to enlighten me what would be the minimum safe prop to ground clearance and what would be the desirable please. I know it probably doesn't matter whether it is for conventional of tri gear, but I'm going with tri (KR-2S with 'Vair). Thanks! FLORIN L. PINTEA >> Just for S&Gs, my "2" is a tail dragger with the retracts. With the tail up in a level position, I have 7" of prop clearance. This is not a problem due to my always taking off in a three point position. That's the way KRs like it any way. Also I have not picked up any stones as of yet. The prop is 52in dia. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:05:11 EST To: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> CONTROL WHEEL/Newsletters Message-ID: For Gods sake! What kind of proprietary information could be in a KR news letter. I have a two page article in one of the news letters. It is the one that has David Carrols KR2 on the front cover. Every body may feel free to copy any of this information if you wish. Jim Gogniat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:11:34 -0500 To: Gognij@aol.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> CONTROL WHEEL/Newsletters Message-ID: <20001117.104323.-162681.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Was that DUMBO from Michigan ?? Virg On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:05:11 EST Gognij@aol.com writes: > For Gods sake! > > What kind of proprietary information could be in a KR news > letter. I > have a two page article in one of the news letters. It is the one > that has > David Carrols KR2 on the front cover. Every body may feel free to > copy any of > this information if you wish. > Jim > Gogniat > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:07:00 -0600 To: virgnvs@juno.com From: B&B Muse CC: Gognij@aol.com, kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> CONTROL WHEEL/Newsletters Message-ID: <3A15F254.9C0711AA@ev1.net> --------------CF5E29BEC3862E8DA910060C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > > Was that DUMBO from Michigan ?? Virg > > > > For Gods sake! > > What kind of proprietary information could be in a KR news > > letter. Virgil, This type of comment is not needed or wanted. I know you thought it was cute but think before you leap. If you feel the need to say something negative in nature, please say them to yourself. If you still feel the need to make a statement, do it. If you believe someone makes a supid statement, leave it alone. Everyone will know it is supid. Your Friend, Bobby Muse --------------CF5E29BEC3862E8DA910060C-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:53:54 -0500 To: From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> fuel tanks Message-ID: <001401c0504a$0bc5faa0$a9d1b23f@steelcase.com> Carter, Mike Mims' site has a great section on the fuel system. He shows how he built both a header tank and the wing tanks. The first link takes you to the first page of Fuel System; the second link takes you to a cool slideshow that shows how he built wing tanks. When you go through the slideshow allow time for the picture to load. http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/fuel.html http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/slideshow.html Great job Mike! :-) Albert Pecoraro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carter Pond" To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:11 PM Subject: KR> fuel tanks > Just considering my fuel tanks needs here. Is there a reason why people > seem to favour fiberglass tanks instead of aluminum welded tanks. Would > any one have suggestions on a fuel tank lay out for a my KR2-S. I need > long range capability. Not that I want to stay up more than Four hours > but if I need to make 180 deg to avoid the unforeseen. My ideal would be > close to 30-40gallon capability. I looking at a 1100 gross weight build. > Thanks gang > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:36:24 EST To: carterkr2s1@home.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> fuel tanks Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/00 8:05:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, carterkr2s1@home.com writes: << Just considering my fuel tanks needs here. Is there a reason why people seem to favor fiberglass tanks instead of aluminum welded tanks. Would any one have suggestions on a fuel tank lay out for a my KR2-S. I need long range capability. Not that I want to stay up more than Four hours but if I need to make 180 deg to avoid the unforeseen. My ideal would be close to 30-40gallon capability. I looking at a 1100 gross weight build. Thanks gang >> There is nothing wrong with fiberglass for tanks. If you hit the ground hard enough to split the tanks open, they were not made correctly or you are dead anyway. Fire does not happen just because a tank splits. I have 19 gal total and do a lot of cross country work, and never felt like I needed more. Remember that you will not be burning 10 gal per hr. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:14:36 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: TRI-GEAR Message-ID: Hello Netters For those of you who have tri-gear setup, what distance is your main gear center line aft fro the main spar? Thanks in advance Danny S.A. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. All opinions expressed are the sender's own and not necessarily that of the employer. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:27:20 -0600 To: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> TRI-GEAR Message-ID: <3A14C1B8.BF8D50C3@execpc.com> I guess that depends on the gear arrangement you are using. The Diehl tri-gear set up, which is what I am using, is 4" aft of the main spar. I am referencing the centerline of the axles. Mark Jones "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" wrote: > Hello Netters > > For those of you who have tri-gear setup, what distance is your main gear > center line aft fro the main spar? > > Thanks in advance > > Danny > S.A. > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. All opinions expressed are the sender's > own and not necessarily that of the employer. > ********************************************************************** > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:24:34 -0500 To: From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> TRI-GEAR Message-ID: <000701c05056$ad841d20$99d1b23f@steelcase.com> Danny, The center of the axle should be 4 inches aft of the main spar if you are using tri-gear. Albert Pecoraro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:14 AM Subject: KR> TRI-GEAR > Hello Netters > > For those of you who have tri-gear setup, what distance is your main gear > center line aft fro the main spar? > > Thanks in advance > > Danny > S.A. > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. All opinions expressed are the sender's > own and not necessarily that of the employer. > ********************************************************************** > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:40:21 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ralph H Snyder Subject: Teflon tape Message-ID: <20001116.214022.-3973085.0.ralphndori@juno.com> That was my message about the insulating qualities of teflon tape. I was a mechanic all my life and stopped using it for 3 reasons. No. 1: The insulating qualities. No. 2: De decrease in friction can cause you to split a casting wide open before you even realize that you have it tight. No. 3 It can get in the system and plug up a restricted orifice, causing complete oil stoppage to anything downstream. An oil pressure sending unit has to go to ground through the threads. Teflon tape will insulate these threads, causing sender not to work. I have had this happen to me. I removed the tape and sealed it with no. 2 permatex and it worked fine. Ralph Snyder ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:57:24 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: archives on CD Message-ID: Hello, KR nuts- If anybody decides to pick up the gauntlet that Mark threw down (about a text file of the KR Newsletter index, along with related thoughts about burning off to CD)... I've "been there- done that" and have stuff you can have. Kerry Miller, John Bouyea and others put lots of time and effort into scanning some of the old newsletters (which I have on disk). I also have about 100 blank CDs, jewel cases, and mailers. My intent was to prepare a resource CD with back issues of the Newsletters, plus grab stuff from peoples' sites (like Mark Langford's and Mike Mims', with 'how to' pages), and make them available to KRNetters for $10 (which would go to KRNet to pay for list admin and the website). I never finished the project. My thought was that so much of it was up there on the Net anyway, plus people now have zip disks and CD burners and can snag all that stuff easily. I also thought about putting it up on my own website as an 'online resource', but what for? It's all already out there. So, bottom line, if anybody wants the blanks and stuff I have and wants to do the CD project, email me off-line and we'll talk. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 08:13:00 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: ACCESSORY CASES Message-ID: <0002D1C3@kaydon.com> Hey guys: I'm just sitting here at work day dreaming about my airplane! Can anybody t= ell me if the accessory case for type 1-3 will fit the type 4 engine? Also, I hear that the people at Sonex have their own accessory case and its= supposed to be machined out of billet instead of a casting! Has anybody ch= ecked this out yet? CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:21:03 -0800 (PST) To: KRNET@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> pants Message-ID: <20001117172103.21449.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Boyers wrote: > Just wondering if any one was interested in a set of > wheel pants,($100.),or a revmaster engine cowl > ($200.) for the KR-2????? Let me know, . Ken B > ou812@brick.net > Hey, it's Friday... And I want to let you know that Kenny Boyer's glass parts are excellent, inexpensive and will save you hours of hard work and help a fellow KR builder. I have a set of his wheel pants and cowling and they are beautiful. Saves me many hours of work and my plane will look MUCH better. He can do custom work. There may be others but I only know about Kenny. He does good work. And he doesn't talk as much as I do. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:12:47 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Finish Paint techniques Message-ID: <20001117201247.14831.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Rolling and Tipping sounds great and I'll certainly try it out on something before I'm ready to decide on my aircraft finish. My question on this method is does it add anything to the weight of the plane over what something like PolyFiber process will? Every little ounce counts on the KR and paint can be a big part of the weight. Thanks ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 14:51:00 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: WING SKINS Message-ID: <0002D5D1@kaydon.com> Hey guys, my wife is MAKING me take her down to South Padre Island next wee= k for the holidays, but that's OK cause I can see those new wing skins comi= ng as payment for treating her to a good time!!! Ain't I terrible!!!!! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:27:47 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> NEWSLETTERs Message-ID: <007601c050ed$ff2e4eb0$f2de8e18@300emachine> Peter Nauta wrote: > Enlighten us new ones: who are those "owners" of kr newsletters, why don't > they want to release valuable info submitted for free by other builders, do > they want to be paid for it, can one order back copies? This is highly > frustrating, and looks stupid to me. Well, I thought I'd give somebody a couple of days to respond to this, but I guess it's not coming, so here goes. Since after Ernie Koppe's tenure, the Newsletter been considered a money making venture. It has been sold twice. I've had occasion to talk to all of the past newsletter editors over the years. At one time I even knew what each one gave for it, but I've since forgotten (several thousand dollars, including back issue inventory). Earl Teporten was the newsletter editor from Oct 88 thru Feb 97, but it was becoming obvious that he didn't really have his heart in it for the last few years. It often contained reprints of articles from other publications, and lacked any real content. It was so bad that in late '96 several of us KRNetters started "KROnline", which was published about 5 times. It was absolutely excellent, and in color, and best of all, FREE! Randy Stein played editor, and did an outstanding job. These issues are still available on my web site about half way down the opening page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford and are worth looking at again even if you've seen them before. In fact, the Dec 96 issue shows a detailed nose gear setup like somebody was looking for yesterday. There's a wealth of information there! At about this same time I started thinking that it would be fantastic if we could publish all of Monte Miller's excellent contributions to the web. He practically wrote the newsletter for years. Our KR legal experts suggested that despite Earl's copyright statement, if we could get permission from the original authors it wouldn't be a problem, so I called Monte that night and asked. He said that would be fine with him, and he thought it was a good idea. The next morning I came back to KRNet and announced that we were in business, and was soliciting volunteers to start scanning his many works for posting. But I came home at lunchtime to a terse message on my answering machine. It was Monte, saying that he had spoken to Earl and that if any of his (Monte's) work appeared on the web those responsible would be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law! A few months later Monte announced that he had purchased the newsletter. You figure out what happened, cause I'm still not sure. To his credit, I must say that Monte has done an excellent job as editor and I'll keep subscribing to the newsletter 'til the doors close, just to support the effort. For those builders who aren't yet on the web, it's about all the KR support they're going to get. We could easily start the KROnline thing back up again, but I'm personally not going to get involved in the management of it, as I'm trying my best to avoid any extra-curricular activities (and email) until my plane is finished. Benefits would be current information, color pictures, stored electronically, and best of all, free worldwide distribution to anybody that wants it. And the KROnline format would prompt many of you guys to formalize and illustrate your best ideas for the rest of us, and provide a place to do it. With 600 people to draw from, it should be a breeze. And best of all, our good ideas would be archived where we could put our hands on them whenever we wanted. I'm not saying we should do this, but it is a possibility. And as far as I'm concerned, Monte could just print them out, copy them, and sell them to the "unconnected" builders among us, if he wants to. This could be a beneficial collaboration all the way around. He could add these to his CD of old newsletters that he sells (you know, the ones that we would scan for him). We do the work and share it with the online builders, he sells them to the rest and makes the money. What a deal! If it's any incentive, I'll sign up to buy the first CD. In answer to "can we buy back issues", for the last few years the newsletter has offered "selected" ARTICLES for $7.50, rather than a complete set of back issues that used to go for $85. And if I remember correctly there was a sell-off of the old back issues not too long ago, so I wouldn't swear that there ARE any back issues available anymore. This last paragraph probably answers your questions, Peter. Well, there went two hours of building time, but it needed to be said. I guess I'm not doing a very good job of keeping a low profile. I'm running low on gauntlets, so it's time to submerge again. Torpedos away... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:02:04 EST To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> NEWSLETTERs Message-ID: <4f.3aed388.274801fc@aol.com> In a message dated 11/17/00 5:29:46 PM, langford@hiwaay.net writes: <> Let me pose a question here. If one of our non-US KRNetters were to scan all the newsletters, put them up on a web site who's server is non-US based, and make them available for free to all who care to visit the site, would that individual be subject to "aggressive legal action?" I'm just curious. It seems to me some of our Asian friends make a tremendous amount of money publishing music CD's and have not been subject to "aggressive legal action" from an industry that is notorious for protecting it's material. If it were done for information dissemination purposes only, not profit, what sort of liability issues or legal action could be brought to bear on that overseas individual? I'm just curious, that's all. Sorry for the somewhat off-topic post. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX USA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:41:16 EST To: Horn2004@aol.com, langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> NEWSLETTERs Message-ID: i must comment on this and please let's not start a mud slinging bout here. just because someone else is doing something illegal does that make it right for the kr net to do the same. there are two sides to this newsletter thing, both have merrit, doing something underhanded only will serve to make matters worse, the newsletter is availabe in print to anyone that wants to subscribe, let us not chastise Monte for he has done a very valuable service for the builders of the kr, should we just kick him because he sells subscriptions to a very good newsletter. charles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:18:44 -0800 To: kr From: Carter Pond Subject: Continental engine Message-ID: <3A162D54.A95EB826@home.com> Could someone suggest a web site to sell my Continental 0-65 on. Thanks Carter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:28:57 -0500 To: "kr" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> Continental engine Message-ID: <002901c05128$d64ebd00$ecd4b23f@steelcase.com> Carter, There are 2 sites that I visit quite frequently that you can try: 1) http://www.ebay.com - This is an on-line auction where people bid on the item you are selling. All the details to get you started are on the website. You have to register to get a username and password. I believe there is a fee. 2) http://www.barnstormers.com - This is a free on-line classifieds service. Select the Barnstormer Aviation Business Center (http://www.barnstormers2000.com) and go to Piston Engine. I hope this helps. Albert Pecoraro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carter Pond" To: "kr" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:18 AM Subject: KR> Continental engine > Could someone suggest a web site to sell my Continental 0-65 on. > Thanks > Carter > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:37:04 -0800 (PST) To: Carter Pond , kr From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Continental engine Message-ID: <20001118163704.14212.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> --- Carter Pond wrote: > Could someone suggest a web site to sell my > Continental 0-65 on. > Thanks > Carter Carter, Others, One place I enjoy looking for parts, etc is Barnstormers at: http://amp.electriciti.com/aviator/hbkr0000.html You may also have a lot of success advertising it on the Buckeye Pietenpol site. Don't have the address for them, but that would be an engine they'd want. Of course there's always E-Bay. It always helps to mention what part of the country (or what country) youre in because someone near you can call right away and you won't get a million calls from people who want to know if youre too far away to bother. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:17:10 -0800 To: From: "Al Friesen" Subject: site Message-ID: <003c01c0512f$9a267be0$7fcb6cce@s8z8i0> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C050EC.83FEED40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try this site http://www.barnstormers2000.com/. They have all stuff A/C. = Al Friesen ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C050EC.83FEED40-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:07:23 +0100 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: RE: KR> NEWSLETTERs, first flight of KR2S in Netherlands Message-ID: Mark, Thanks for taking the time to explain it to us. I just couldn't stand the idea that you'd have your plane flying before the US has a new prez :-) For us in Europe, the web has many advantages over a paper copy, so I spend a lot of time browsing the net. That gave me the idea that I could even build a KR and fly it safely, after having purchased the plans 15 years ago. There's a gold mine of knowledge in my mailbox already, thanks to you guys. Just to let you know that the first ever Dutch built Rand Robinson KR2-S, the PH-MIJ, built by Herman Mijling, has taken to the air on november 10. It flew for an hour on the first day and has flown several times since. Minor problems have to be ironed out like wheel bearings. It's powered by a Limbach 80 HP, and features tail gear. Herman has spent time building since 1985, and had to overcome all the obstacles of getting a type certification here in NL. Some 10 other KR2-s are under construction since, so it's really taking off. He will mail me some photo's, if he gives his consent, I will post them on a web site. Can someone tell me whether "Custom Planes" brought the article on BMW 1100RS two cylinder motorcycle engines? I saw the engine running in Rennie de Leeuw's Cherry last month, and it's really smooth and silent. He had it running inside the hangar, and demonstrated the clutch mechanism. Regards, Peter Nauta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:36:10 -0600 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: Andrew Subject: An introduction Message-ID: <3A16CC1A.D8BC183E@subjex.com> Greetings everyone, I am brand new to this forum. My name is Andrew Hyder. I recently purchased a fully completed (once flying) KR2. It had been involved in a small crash (hard landing really). where the landing gear (retractable) collapsed during the landing (retracted). There is front end damage, but the engine (VW) is fine and was just rebuilt. (8 hours). I have absolutely no airplane, or flying knowledge, other than the reading I have done for the last 2 months. (no license at all) I really wanted a KR2 because I heard so much about them being easy to fly, and a good first plane. I am however very technical, and very unintimidated by seemingly large projects. I bought this thing last week in Victorville CA from Carl Hedberg, a really nice guy. I then trailered it to my home (garage) in Minneapolis MN. When I took the tarp off for the first time this morning, I really saw for the first time the size of this project. (gulp) Most importantly, I realized that I really NEED some good advice and HELP in the repairs. If there are any of you out there that are in my area, (or would like to fly in) and help me with this project, I am willing to make the investment into this KR2, by taking care of all of your expenses, and labor. Please let me know. I have noticed (in all of the paper work) that Rand Robertson provides quite a bit of replacement parts. So I am considering buying all new damaged parts, but as I said I am temporarily a complete novice when it comes to this. So, I am anxiously awaiting all of your thoughts about this crazy guy (who would buy first then learn later). :-) -- Thanks Andrew New KR owner/novice - Future KR expert :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:55:42 -0600 To: "Andrew" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> An introduction Message-ID: <000801c051b2$aee44d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> Andrew: I am in Texas so I cannot help you except with advice where you may be in need of same however there are many builder/flyers on the net, like 600 or so all over the world and I am sure some in your town. Expect a flood of messages and all the help you need. No one of us know it all but all of us do know it all. The best of luck with your project and welcome to the net. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Texas KR-1, & KR-2 1974 1978 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 12:36 PM Subject: KR> An introduction > Greetings everyone, > > I am brand new to this forum. My name is Andrew Hyder. I recently > purchased a fully completed (once flying) KR2. It had been involved in a > small crash (hard landing really). where the landing gear (retractable) > collapsed during the landing (retracted). There is front end damage, but > the engine (VW) is fine and was just rebuilt. (8 hours). > > I have absolutely no airplane, or flying knowledge, other than the > reading I have done for the last 2 months. (no license at all) I really > wanted a KR2 because I heard so much about them being easy to fly, and a > good first plane. I am however very technical, and very unintimidated by > seemingly large projects. > > I bought this thing last week in Victorville CA from Carl Hedberg, a > really nice guy. I then trailered it to my home (garage) in Minneapolis > MN. When I took the tarp off for the first time this morning, I really > saw for the first time the size of this project. (gulp) Most > importantly, I realized that I really NEED some good advice and HELP in > the repairs. > > If there are any of you out there that are in my area, (or would like to > fly in) and help me with this project, I am willing to make the > investment into this KR2, by taking care of all of your expenses, and > labor. Please let me know. > > I have noticed (in all of the paper work) that Rand Robertson provides > quite a bit of replacement parts. So I am considering buying all new > damaged parts, but as I said I am temporarily a complete novice when it > comes to this. So, I am anxiously awaiting all of your thoughts about > this crazy guy (who would buy first then learn later). :-) > > > -- > Thanks > Andrew > New KR owner/novice - Future KR expert :-) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:34:48 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Fw: RULES OF THE AIR Message-ID: <001a01c0519f$017700c0$d2905bd1@kirkland> W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "bryan chester" To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:33 AM Subject: Fwd: RULES OF THE AIR > > > > >From: "Carol Chester" > >To: chester_jes@hotmail.com, chester_bryan@hotmail.com > >Subject: Fwd: RULES OF THE AIR > >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:50:44 EST > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: [216.208.52.71] > >Received: from 216.208.52.71 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Thu, > >16 Nov 2000 02:50:44 GMT > > > >Thought you two might enjoy! > > > >RULES OF THE AIR: > > > >1. Every take off is optional. Every landing is mandatory. > > > >2. If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. > > If you pull the stick back, they get smaller. That is, > > unless you keep pulling the stick all the way back, > > then they get bigger again. > > > >3. Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous. > > > >4. It's always better to be down here wishing you were up > > there than up there wishing you were down here. > > > >5. The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire. > > > >6. The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane > > used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can > > actually watch the pilot start sweating. > > > >7. When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No one has ever > > collided with the sky. > > > >8. A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A > > 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. > > > >9. Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long > > enough to make all of them yourself. > > > >10. You know you've landed with the wheels up if it takes > > full power to taxi to the ramp. > > > >11. The probability of survival is inversely proportional > > to the angle of arrival. Large angle of arrival, small > > probability of survival and vice versa. > > > >12. Never let an aircraft take you somewhere your brain > > didn't get to five minutes earlier. > > > >13. Stay out of clouds. The silver lining everyone keeps > > talking about might be another airplane going in the > > opposite direction. Reliable sources also report that > > mountains have been known to hide out in clouds. > > > >14. Always try to keep the number of landings you make equal > > to the number of take offs you've made. > > > >15. There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. > > Unfortunately no one knows what they are. > > > >16. You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of > > experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience > > before you empty the bag of luck. > > > >17. Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them. > > > >18. If all you can see out of the window is ground that's > > going round and round and all you can hear is commotion > > coming from the passenger compartment, things are not at > > all as they should be. > > > >19. In the ongoing battle between objects made of aluminum > > going hundreds of miles per hour and the ground going > > zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose. > > > >20. Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the > > experience usually comes from bad judgment. > > > >21. It's always a good idea to keep the pointy end going > > forward as much as possible. > > > >22. Keep looking around. There's always something you've missed. > > > >23. Remember, gravity is not just a good idea. It's the law. > > And it's not subject to appeal. > > > >24. The three most useless things to a pilot are the altitude > > above you, runway behind you, and a tenth of a second ago. > > > >Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves > >up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. > >- Winston Churchill > > > >Randy Farrell, ITS - Technical Services - extension 4586 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:18:32 -0800 To: "w.g. kirkland" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: RULES OF THE AIR Message-ID: <008f01c051be$4142b220$37ba143f@pavilion> Bill and netters. I take exception with #17. Helicopters are beautiful. Yesterday I was working in the garage and heard a Huey approaching so I went outside and visually confirm it was a Huey. I stood at attention and saluted until it went out of site. Helicopters can fly but first they must beat the air into submission. Now a Chinook is ugly. It is the only aircraft ever known to have had a midair collision with itself. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ----- Original Message ----- From: w.g. kirkland To: krnet Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 12:34 PM Subject: KR> Fw: RULES OF THE AIR > > W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > kirkland@vianet.on.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bryan chester" > To: ; ; > ; ; ; > ; ; > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:33 AM > Subject: Fwd: RULES OF THE AIR > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Carol Chester" > > >To: chester_jes@hotmail.com, chester_bryan@hotmail.com > > >Subject: Fwd: RULES OF THE AIR > > >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:50:44 EST > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Originating-IP: [216.208.52.71] > > >Received: from 216.208.52.71 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Thu, > > >16 Nov 2000 02:50:44 GMT > > > > > >Thought you two might enjoy! > > > > > >RULES OF THE AIR: > > > > > >1. Every take off is optional. Every landing is mandatory. > > > > > >2. If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. > > > If you pull the stick back, they get smaller. That is, > > > unless you keep pulling the stick all the way back, > > > then they get bigger again. > > > > > >3. Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous. > > > > > >4. It's always better to be down here wishing you were up > > > there than up there wishing you were down here. > > > > > >5. The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire. > > > > > >6. The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane > > > used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can > > > actually watch the pilot start sweating. > > > > > >7. When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No one has ever > > > collided with the sky. > > > > > >8. A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A > > > 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. > > > > > >9. Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long > > > enough to make all of them yourself. > > > > > >10. You know you've landed with the wheels up if it takes > > > full power to taxi to the ramp. > > > > > >11. The probability of survival is inversely proportional > > > to the angle of arrival. Large angle of arrival, small > > > probability of survival and vice versa. > > > > > >12. Never let an aircraft take you somewhere your brain > > > didn't get to five minutes earlier. > > > > > >13. Stay out of clouds. The silver lining everyone keeps > > > talking about might be another airplane going in the > > > opposite direction. Reliable sources also report that > > > mountains have been known to hide out in clouds. > > > > > >14. Always try to keep the number of landings you make equal > > > to the number of take offs you've made. > > > > > >15. There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. > > > Unfortunately no one knows what they are. > > > > > >16. You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of > > > experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience > > > before you empty the bag of luck. > > > > > >17. Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them. > > > > > >18. If all you can see out of the window is ground that's > > > going round and round and all you can hear is commotion > > > coming from the passenger compartment, things are not at > > > all as they should be. > > > > > >19. In the ongoing battle between objects made of aluminum > > > going hundreds of miles per hour and the ground going > > > zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose. > > > > > >20. Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the > > > experience usually comes from bad judgment. > > > > > >21. It's always a good idea to keep the pointy end going > > > forward as much as possible. > > > > > >22. Keep looking around. There's always something you've missed. > > > > > >23. Remember, gravity is not just a good idea. It's the law. > > > And it's not subject to appeal. > > > > > >24. The three most useless things to a pilot are the altitude > > > above you, runway behind you, and a tenth of a second ago. > > > > > >Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves > > >up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. > > >- Winston Churchill > > > > > >Randy Farrell, ITS - Technical Services - extension 4586 > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:21:19 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Phil Visconti Subject: AIR RULES Message-ID: <3A16F2CF.93E43D8E@gis.net> --------------4553344BB5E5D4B3B79362B6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been looking for these "Rules" after hearing J. Gordon Liddy read them last week on his radio program. Thanks for posting. BTW the other useless thing is, fuel in pump on the ground. Phil --------------4553344BB5E5D4B3B79362B6-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************