From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 1 Dec 2000 02:58:19 -0000 Issue 132 Date: Thursday, November 30, 2000 6:58 PM krnet Digest 1 Dec 2000 02:58:19 -0000 Issue 132 Topics (messages 3151 through 3177): WEB NETSCAPE EDIT 3151 by: Phil Visconti Setting the Fuse Sides Up 3152 by: Peter Johnson Spar weights 3153 by: John P Moyle From Denmark. 3154 by: Mogens Mølhede Pedersen 3172 by: Peter Nauta Re: Fixturing? and the Cam100 3155 by: Guenther Bryce Free Wood 3156 by: Steve Re: Friday File 3157 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 2nd minded 3158 by: Drew Swenson 3160 by: Gaston Landry 3161 by: Mark McKinley 3164 by: Jerry Mahurin Canadian sources of supply 3159 by: w.g. kirkland FIRE WALL 3162 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 3171 by: Albert Pecoraro Re: KR/Hummel 3163 by: Frank Ross 3167 by: Mark McKinley 3174 by: Gaston Landry Questions from a lurking newbie 3165 by: bob hill 3166 by: Steven Eberhart 3168 by: David R. Christensen 3170 by: Frank Ross Web Site 3169 by: Mark Jones KR1 Motor Glider 3173 by: Wayne Mc Mullen 3175 by: Kenneth Burch wingtips 3176 by: Dr. No alternative alternator 3177 by: Mark Langford Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:00:37 -0500 To: carterkr2s1@home.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Phil Visconti Subject: WEB NETSCAPE EDIT Message-ID: <3A23D6A5.BA4C30AA@gis.net> --------------149763EBAAFEBFE12BB745D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carter, When you bring up a web page, you can edit it by bringing down menu from "File" BE VERY CAREFUL if you get tempted to upgrade to Netscape 6. I did, and am I sorry ! All my JPEG files (pictures) were changed to something called "MOZELLA JPEG". Now I can't modify or change pictures (enhance/crop). I sent E-mail to Netscape Tech Support last week asking for help and still haven't heard from them. Of course, they did say I could call them .......for a price....I'll probably havr to do that. Phil Visconti --------------149763EBAAFEBFE12BB745D3-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:18:18 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Setting the Fuse Sides Up Message-ID: <000c01c05967$b1d7fe40$ab09eccf@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05924.87495A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heres' something that I hope will help others. I'm at the point of = setting my fuse sides up on a 'fuse table' that I built. Having been in = similar positions before I knew what would work to make a good table. First, I didn't make the table solid on top. It is made up of six pcs = of 3/4" ply, 2 ft fore & aft, and each 2 ft pc is cut wide enough side = to side to ensure there will be room for blocking on the table to hold = the fuse panels in place. The ply is setup on a strongback made of 1x = 6, and raised off the strongback with spacers so the top of the ply is = about 3" above the top of the strong back. The big asset to this table = is the 4" or so spacing between each piece of plywood. This space = allowed me to use clamps to pull the fuse panels out to the correct = curve, and it allowed me to put a level across the longerons to assist = checking for plump. This is a great asset.=20 I had a crank of a time getting the panels bent into place until I = removed the 3/4" high blocks I originally had in place and went to = 2x4's. I also didn't try to get the blocks in the exact position they = were required, but let them stand away from the final curve abit and = used wedges to move the fuse panel into the correct position. This made = for alot less stress, both on the panel and me! I hope the above is of help to someone. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05924.87495A40-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:44:05 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: John P Moyle Subject: Spar weights Message-ID: <20001128.224413.-201309.2.jmoyle1@juno.com> Tuesday, November 28th, 2000 Friends, I could really use some input here from builders. What I am looking for is the weight of a main spar (center section) and a main spar (wing section) for comparison purposes. I am going a different route, and need to get a handle on how much heavier my solid spar will be before I proceed, since there are a couple different ways I can go at this ( methods of weight reduction ) I do not wish to start a new thread debating the wisdom or foolishness of my intentions at this juncture,( since I don't have the answers yet and can't defend my position until I do ) But if you've got the data, and will share it, I'd be most grateful. I will share what I learn when I have some conclusions based on facts. Thanks for any assistance you can offer! John Moyle mailto:jmoyle1@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:25:57 +0100 To: "krnet" From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mogens_M=F8lhede_Pedersen?=" Subject: From Denmark. Message-ID: <004e01c05971$096d2be0$5c37f9c3@main> Hej Friends Are anyone building or flying a KR in scandinavia or Europe ??? Please send mail to: mogensmp@mail.tele.dk homepage: home13.inet.tele.dk/oyrv6a Regards Mogens ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:59:42 +0100 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: RE: KR> From Denmark. Message-ID: Mogens, Just a short hop from Denmark, there are about 10 under construction in the Netherlands, first one flying just a month ago. See the web site www.nvav.nl. It's Dutch. so mail me direct for help on translating it to english. Regards, Peter Nauta p.nauta@wanadoo.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: Mogens Mølhede Pedersen [mailto:mogensmp@mail.tele.dk] > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:26 PM > To: krnet > Subject: KR> From Denmark. > > > Hej Friends > Are anyone building or flying a KR in scandinavia or Europe ??? > Please send mail to: > mogensmp@mail.tele.dk > > homepage: > home13.inet.tele.dk/oyrv6a > > > Regards Mogens > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To > unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For > additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:47:02 -0800 (PST) To: Carter Pond , kr From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> Fixturing? and the Cam100 Message-ID: <20001128174702.33538.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> --- Carter Pond wrote: > Has any one successfully built KR wings off of the > fuselage. Because of > lack of space I am looking for options. I realize > great care would be > need to do this. IF is possible at all. > > Can any one tell me how to copy full web pages > including picture so I > can share with others. I use Netscape navigator 5 > something. > > Last one for the night. Any option on the Cam 100 > Honda engine? > KR Dreaming > Carter > Optional construction idea!! As tool designers match fixture you can design your own fixture to match drill center section hardware and match outboard wingpanel attach hardware and tooling with diahedral-washout incorporated. The three fixtures would have W.A.F.'s as common links. The inbd and otbd airfoil plywood rib wood have tooling holes and spar location tabs, likewise the centersection is constant chord but wood require similar tooling locators. The biggest problem you should be aware of is tooling stability and the assuredness nothing will change dimensionally as you clatter and bang,lean on, heat and cool, or move the tool. The tooling could be more expensive. Another idea is to build the center section and one wing panel together not attached to fuselage then the remaining wingpanel to the finished centersection. The centersection could then be attached to the fuselage. > ---------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:57:40 -0800 To: From: "Steve" Subject: Free Wood Message-ID: <003b01c0599f$61a2b860$1dcad7cc@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0595C.51BA48C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just want to let everyone know that the wood is no longer available. = It has been claimed. Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0595C.51BA48C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:21:08 EST To: davec@favorites.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Friday File Message-ID: In a message dated 11/26/00 9:42:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, davec@favorites.com writes: << They also refuse to suggest a recommended TBO for their engine so this is still a question in my mind. I'm thinking I will impose 1000 hours as my personal limit assuming no problems arise. Well enough for now. I've got to take the repaired fuselage out to the airport this morning so I will have room to paint the wing repairs. >> This is a rule of thumb to determine if you need a major overhaul. Remember this is the crank case portion. Cylinders are the top end. Major overhaul - Oil pressure below factory minimum. Steve Bennett says 23psi at cruise rpm, VW says 27psi at 2500 rpm. Large amounts of metal in oil. Connecting rod side play out of limits. Crank or cam failure. And the most important, find someone that knows engines. Top overhaul - Low compression, high oil burn, high crankcase pressure. That's the down and dirty version. It can be one or a combination of these. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:13:18 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Drew Swenson Subject: 2nd minded Message-ID: <380324927.975471200683.JavaMail.root@web731-wra.mail.com> Not to be a trader, but is anyone familiar with the Hummelbird? I am having second thoughts about the KR2. I have heard that metal homebuilts are relatively easier to build than wood. Now my eyes are leaning more toward the Hummelbird, but I am still on a tedder-todder. I have been building a scale model of the KR2 from plans in my spare time. During this dramatic downsizing I am finding this is a very intricate construction. Opinions and comments are much appreciated. Thank you, Drew Swenson Drewlive@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 03:12:55 -0400 To: drewlive@prodigy.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> 2nd minded Message-ID: you can join the hummelbird mailing list... it's at egroups.com, and the group's name is hummel. I've been on it almost as long as I've been on this one... and the Hummelbird will be my first project. I hope to eventually build a kr-2, also, but it's more financially feasible to build a Hummel, for me... also, there's the Hummelbird Network, at http://members.aol.com/mschn10241/hummelbird.html Gaston >From: Drew Swenson >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> 2nd minded >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:13:18 -0500 (EST) > >Not to be a trader, but is anyone familiar with the Hummelbird? I am having >second thoughts about the KR2. I have heard that metal homebuilts are >relatively easier to build than wood. Now my eyes are leaning more toward >the Hummelbird, but I am still on a tedder-todder. I have been building a >scale model of the KR2 from plans in my spare time. During this dramatic >downsizing I am finding this is a very intricate construction. Opinions and >comments are much appreciated. > >Thank you, >Drew Swenson >Drewlive@prodigy.net > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:31:43 -0500 To: Drew Swenson , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark McKinley Subject: Re: KR> 2nd minded Message-ID: <3A25053E.D0E3A77A@ontario.com> I live near Mr. Hummel and have sat in his plane and other h'birds. Unless you are a small person, you may not fit in a hummelbird. I like the design and thought about scaling it up, but then you need a different engine, fuel tanks etc etc soon you have a different airplane with its own characteristics that are untested. If you like metal look at the two place 'hummel bird' by William Spring. Mark Drew Swenson wrote: > Not to be a trader, but is anyone familiar with the Hummelbird? I am having second thoughts about the KR2. I have heard that metal homebuilts are relatively easier to build than wood. Now my eyes are leaning more toward the Hummelbird, but I am still on a tedder-todder. I have been building a scale model of the KR2 from plans in my spare time. During this dramatic downsizing I am finding this is a very intricate construction. Opinions and comments are much appreciated. > > Thank you, > Drew Swenson > Drewlive@prodigy.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:30:01 To: drewlive@prodigy.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> 2nd minded Message-ID: If the Hummelbird is a little complex, you could do the Teenie Two. It is a LOT simpler and uses a standard four cylinder 1600cc VW engine. I have built both (T2 and KR2) and believe me, the T2 is a lot easier and a lot simpler. The T2 is single place, all metal with a cruise speed of around 120 to 140 mph..... Go out to this URL ...... http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/40291 Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC >From: Drew Swenson >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> 2nd minded >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:13:18 -0500 (EST) > >Not to be a trader, but is anyone familiar with the Hummelbird? I am having >second thoughts about the KR2. I have heard that metal homebuilts are >relatively easier to build than wood. Now my eyes are leaning more toward >the Hummelbird, but I am still on a tedder-todder. I have been building a >scale model of the KR2 from plans in my spare time. During this dramatic >downsizing I am finding this is a very intricate construction. Opinions and >comments are much appreciated. > >Thank you, >Drew Swenson >Drewlive@prodigy.net > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:57:48 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Canadian sources of supply Message-ID: <000a01c059d1$aff85ba0$b9905bd1@kirkland> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C059A7.C6268E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are some of the sources I've found. Others are welcome to add to = the list and someone with a web site could post them for all to use. SOURCES OF SUPPLIES Suggestions for Canadian Builders. REMARKS Ontario Spruce and Plywood I've never used this source so can't=20 PO BOX 20190 Vouch for them. BELLVILLE, ONT. K8N 5V1 PH. 613 395-5771 Fiberglass Factory Outlet An excellent source of resins and 5205 Timberlea Blv'd Fiberglass. They specialize in boats Mississauga, ON L4W 2S3 Ask for their catalogue. It contains lots=20 905 629-3178 Of good info. They will ship anywhere In Canada. Glass Cell Fabricators ltd They will supply pink urethane foam. 26 Greensboro Dr. Cut to whatever thickness you want. Rexdale, Ont. M9W 1E1 About $ 1.00 a board ft. They will ship 416 241-8663 Anywhere. They like a day or two's=20 Notice for cutting. Oliver Lumber Co. of Toronto Sell B grade sitka spruce rough sawn. 85 Vickers Rd. Etobicoke M0B 1C1 You must grade it yourself after = dressing Very Little wastage. $ 640 for enough to do a kr2s. You pick up. Leavens Aviation Inc. Pricy. Ask for their catalogue. Nuts , 2595 Derry Rd. E. Bolts and fittings. They carry Aeropoxy Mississauga, On. L4T 1A1 1 800 263 6142 (order line) Metal Supermarkets Great for aluminum. You can get a lot 1445 Bonhill Rd. Of smaller pieces from their "ends" pile Unit 821 At good prices. A bit hard to find but Mississauga, ON L5T 1V3 Start at Dixie and Myerside. A 4' x4' sheet of = 6160 is about all u need. 905 670-9555 What ever you do don't order anything that has to be trucked from the = US. Your customs broker costs $100. Trucking $ 150, duty $100. On a $500 = shipment! The US postal service is good. Courier service usually = includes customs clearance but order enough to make it worthwhile. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C059A7.C6268E80-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:39:11 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: FIRE WALL Message-ID: Goodday Netters What metal would be acceptable for the firewall except aluminium and what thickness? Thank you Danny ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. All opinions expressed are the sender's own and not necessarily that of the employer. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:17:12 -0500 To: From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> FIRE WALL Message-ID: <002601c05a8c$cd721160$59d4b23f@steelcase.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:39 AM Subject: KR> FIRE WALL > Goodday Netters > > What metal would be acceptable for the firewall except aluminium and what > thickness? > Danny, If you look at page 15 of the builder manual, drawing #8 - Forward Bulkhead, the top right picture is a sideview of the bulkhead and firewall. Look for the word "Firewall" and you will see the 3 materials that comprise the firewall: 1) .005 S/S ... Stainless Steel 5 mils thickness. 2) .040 asbestos behind the S/S ... I think everyone is using Fiberfrax now. 3) 1/4" plywood (birch) Happy building. Albert Pecoraro http://home.earthlink.net/~gryphonflier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:37:28 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR/Hummel Message-ID: <20001129183728.12740.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark McKinley wrote: > I live near Mr. Hummel and have sat in his plane and > other h'birds. Unless you are a small person, you > may not fit in a hummelbird. Mark, Is Brad Hummel, the KR builder, the designer of the Hummelbird? Thanks ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:24:24 -0500 To: Frank Ross From: Mark McKinley CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR/Hummel Message-ID: <3A2565F8.B593F19A@ontario.com> No Morrey Hummel in NW Ohio designed it. Some say with indirect help from other designs. The original is still flying and is based in Wauseon, Ohio. Scott Casler flies it and does two-cylinder VW conversions. Mark Frank Ross wrote: > --- Mark McKinley wrote: > > I live near Mr. Hummel and have sat in his plane and > > other h'birds. Unless you are a small person, you > > may not fit in a hummelbird. > > Mark, > Is Brad Hummel, the KR builder, the designer of the > Hummelbird? > Thanks > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:35:56 -0400 To: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR/Hummel Message-ID: Morrey Hummel is the Hummelbird designer. Bill Spring is the one who took Morrey's plans, and made them readable, basically. Mr. Spring is from Ontario, IIRC. Gaston >From: Frank Ross >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Re: KR/Hummel >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:37:28 -0800 (PST) > >--- Mark McKinley wrote: > > I live near Mr. Hummel and have sat in his plane and > > other h'birds. Unless you are a small person, you > > may not fit in a hummelbird. > >Mark, >Is Brad Hummel, the KR builder, the designer of the >Hummelbird? >Thanks > > >===== >Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:45:51 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: bob hill Subject: Questions from a lurking newbie Message-ID: <20001129194551.6431.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings from northern Virginia. I recently purchased a set of used plans on eBay after researching the KR planes and realizing that: -the skills required to build one seem within my experience (decent shade-tree mechanic, including rebuilding VW motors, and have basic woodworking skills). -the support for KR builders on the internet is exceptional, especially this list and the archieved newsletters. -these are real-world planes that others have been building and flying for more than twenty years. May I ask for your comment on the following questions? 1-My plans are for the KR2 and include a blue binder with approximatley 200 pages of build instructions and three blueprints; Drawings #1 and #2 and a full-scale firewall template. The plans seem to be from 1989 (serial # 8201). I would like to build a tricycle gear, widened plane, that uses a VW motor. Do my plans need updating?? Should I obtain KR2S plans?? From the factory?? Should I "register" with the factory?? Will they deal with someone who has bought used plans?? 2-I've been plundering (thanks to all) the various resources on the web. I've come across several links to a set of FAQs, but the link is dead. Are the FAQs available anywhere? 3-This would be my first project in building something of this nature. Would it be worthwhile to build something a bit simpler, say an ultralight, just to refine my skills before tackling the KR? All comments appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:03:26 -0600 (CST) To: bob hill From: Steven Eberhart cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Questions from a lurking newbie Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, bob hill wrote: > Greetings from northern Virginia. [snip] > 2-I've been plundering (thanks to all) the various > resources on the web. I've come across several links > to a set of FAQs, but the link is dead. Are the FAQs > available anywhere? You can get to the FAQ at: http://63.69.213.180 The address will go back to the old one when I can find enough time to get my newtech.com domain name reassigned to the IP address of my Linux box at home. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:27:36 -0800 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "David R. Christensen" Subject: Fw: KR> Questions from a lurking newbie Message-ID: <001f01c05a53$93e026a0$40785ad1@davec> Bob, I doubt that experience building an ultralight would be very useful. I'd say go for it with the KR but expect to spend a few years and 2500 hours or so building the KR if you want a nice one. You might be able to find someone with KR building experience in your area to get you started on shaping foam, fiberglassing and surfacing. Poor workmanship here can add a lot of weight to your project. The woodwork is fairly straight forward. A band saw and a table disc sander are musts in my opinion. Dave -----Original Message----- From: bob hill To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: KR> Questions from a lurking newbie >Greetings from northern Virginia. > >I recently purchased a set of used plans on eBay after >researching the KR planes and realizing that: >-the skills required to build one seem within my >experience (decent shade-tree mechanic, including >rebuilding VW motors, and have basic woodworking >skills). >-the support for KR builders on the internet is >exceptional, especially this list and the archieved >newsletters. >-these are real-world planes that others have been >building and flying for more than twenty years. > >May I ask for your comment on the following questions? > >1-My plans are for the KR2 and include a blue binder >with approximatley 200 pages of build instructions and >three blueprints; Drawings #1 and #2 and a full-scale >firewall template. The plans seem to be from 1989 >(serial # 8201). I would like to build a tricycle >gear, widened plane, that uses a VW motor. Do my >plans need updating?? Should I obtain KR2S plans?? >>From the factory?? Should I "register" with the >factory?? Will they deal with someone who has bought >used plans?? > >2-I've been plundering (thanks to all) the various >resources on the web. I've come across several links >to a set of FAQs, but the link is dead. Are the FAQs >available anywhere? > >3-This would be my first project in building something >of this nature. Would it be worthwhile to build >something a bit simpler, say an ultralight, just to >refine my skills before tackling the KR? > >All comments appreciated. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:03:03 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Questions from a lurking newbie Message-ID: <20001130020303.10467.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> --- bob hill wrote: > Do my plans need updating?? Should I obtain KR2S plans?? > From the factory?? Should I "register" with the > factory?? Will they deal with someone who has > bought > used plans?? > Are the FAQ available anywhere? > Would it be worthwhile to build > something a bit simpler, say an ultralight, just to > refine my skills before tackling the KR? > > All comments appreciated. > > Hey Bob, Welcome to the club. Jeanette Rand is very good about changing the plans to your name and supporting your building efforts. Other "companies" don't. Send her the sheet (I'd get a copy and send it certified) with her signature, the other owner's name and the set number on it. She'll re-issue a letter with the plans number and your name on it. You don't NEED "S" plans to widen, use Tri-gear, or lengthen, but for only $75 more, she'll send you all the KR2S supplements and you've got an "S". I asked her about this at the "Gathering" in Sept and that's what she told me. Nice lady. She'll also let you know if there are any updates necessary (I think you're okay - she doesn't try to sell you anything you don't need). I don't know what's up with the FAQs, sorry. I wouldn't waste my time building something else. Get busy. Build an ultra-lite when you're too old to get a medical and scare the hell out of all your neighbors and in-laws. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:04:45 -0600 To: CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Web Site Message-ID: <3A25B5BD.1AB59E03@execpc.com> Hello All, My web site has been given a new URL address by Netscape. Fortunately, only a small portion of the address has changed. They deleted the flykr2s portion and inserted n886mj which happens to be the registered N number of my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT. For all of you who have my site bookmarked or linked on your web site, the new URL is http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage I would like to thank all 6500 of you who have visited my site. I will continue to update the site and provide new information as the building of my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT continues. Please visit again soon. THANKS -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:16:34 -0800 To: From: "Wayne Mc Mullen" Subject: KR1 Motor Glider Message-ID: <002001c05acf$c32b5160$82020118@pinol1.sfba.home.com> ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C05A8C.B4CC8F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does any have any information on the KR1 Motor Glider? Wayne McMullen, cmcmullen@home.com ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C05A8C.B4CC8F00-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:02:47 -0600 To: Wayne Mc Mullen From: Kenneth Burch CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR1 Motor Glider Message-ID: <3A265E07.36A59F1D@bellsouth.net> Yes, I just started one. What would you like to know? May be I can help. Ken Burch Wayne Mc Mullen wrote: > Does any have any information on the KR1 Motor Glider? > > Wayne McMullen, cmcmullen@home.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:16:15 -0600 To: krnet From: "Dr. No" Subject: wingtips Message-ID: <3A266127.F817BB55@pol.net> The plans pretty much say use your imagination. Is there any consensus on the shape of the wingtips? Straight, drooped, upcurved, winglets like a 777? Scott 10 feet of right wing and no end in sight (sounds like the election) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:58:02 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: alternative alternator Message-ID: <001a01c05b42$859f6980$f2de8e18@300emachine> KRNetHeads, Although I usually don't "cross post" stuff between CorvAIRCRAFT and KRNet (since the Corvair guys are all there anyway), I've done a little alternator research that might even benefit the VW and LycoNental folks. If you don't think your alternator is doing you justice, this John Deere "dynamo" might be just what you need. Check it out at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************