From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Dec 2000 13:57:32 -0000 Issue 141 Date: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:57 AM krnet Digest 21 Dec 2000 13:57:32 -0000 Issue 141 Topics (messages 3348 through 3371): Re: Fixed Tri or conventional retractable 3348 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 3351 by: Greg S Martin 3354 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien 3356 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: flight instruments 3349 by: Leonardo 3357 by: Ross Youngblood 3368 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 3370 by: B&B Muse Problems access "The Archives" 3350 by: John Bouyea 3352 by: Mark Langford KR2 Project (80%) for Sale (South Africa) 3353 by: Leigh Old Newsletter Addresses 3355 by: Mark D Lougheed elevator mounts 3358 by: John Esch 3363 by: Mark Langford 3364 by: flykr2s.execpc.com KR-2S about to start 3359 by: paul e spicer 3365 by: Brian. P Vasseur Re: wing construction 3360 by: Marty Hammersmith 3361 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com new kid on the block 3362 by: Leonardo Flight test protocol 3366 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 3367 by: Gaston Landry 3369 by: Brian. P Vasseur Test 3371 by: Donald Reid Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:54:54 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Fixed Tri or conventional retractable Message-ID: <7d.e6508b3.276f631e@aol.com> Using the current market available fixed gear is reported to show an increase in speed over the Rand Robinson designed retracts. People like Greg are designing their own retract systems. One other plus in using the current fixed gear is the ability to use a caliper brake system vs. the drum system on the retracts. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:37:18 -0800 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: Greg S Martin Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fixed Tri or conventional retractable Message-ID: <20001218.073719.-381667.3.idrawtobuild@juno.com> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:54:54 EST KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: > Using the current market available fixed gear is reported to show an > increase > in speed over the Rand Robinson designed retracts. People like Greg > are > designing their own retract systems. One other plus in using the > current > fixed gear is the ability to use a caliper brake system vs. the drum > system > on the retracts. > > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY Dana I guess I just never realised it. But the wheels and brakes that are used on the fixed gear are the very ones used on the redesigned retract as a matter of fact, Clevelands, Matco's etc. are usable. Thanks for bringing that out as I must have been thinking that I had mental talepathy that everyone could receive. I guess that's a sign of thinking that I have more power than is possible. And anyone out there. I would but the gear on the web but I just don't know how to take pictures from a 35mm and convert them to be put on the web. Help! Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com 1783 Glenwood Court Bakersfield, California 93306 work 661-861-0570, fax 861-0517 home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:49:02 -0800 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com,krnet@mailinglists.org From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Re: KR> Fixed Tri or conventional retractable Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001218144902.0070cd5c@localaccess.com> At 07:54 AM 12/18/2000 EST, KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: >Using the current market available fixed gear is reported to show an increase >in speed over the Rand Robinson designed retracts. People like Greg are >designing their own retract systems. One other plus in using the current >fixed gear is the ability to use a caliper brake system vs. the drum system >on the retracts. > > >Dana Overall Dana, et al, I hadn't thought about it until your reply, re disc brakes, but my new spun wheel and C-90 disc brake is narrower than the 5" Azusa Tri-Star and drum brake setup used with conventional retracts, so it could easily be installed in retract castings. (I don't have my drawings handy at the moment, but my C-90's might even fit with stock wheels!) Regards, Tracy O'Brien www.tracyobrien.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:08:08 EST To: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Fixed Tri or conventional retractable Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/00 7:56:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: << One other plus in using the current fixed gear is the ability to use a caliper brake system vs. the drum system on the retracts. >> Well, not to rain on anybody's BBQ, I have caliper brakes on my "2". They have been there since ' 77. They are the old Rosenhan, now MATCO brakes. Works OK. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:12:21 -0200 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Leonardo" Subject: Re: KR> flight instruments Message-ID: <000001c068f4$c98947a0$aee7fea9@estacao1> MARK THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME WHEN THE FIRST TIME I TURNED IT ON , I COUNDNT BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THIS THING PRODUCES AND NOW I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. LEO BRAZIL .KR2S ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ -----Mensagem original----- De: Mark Langford Para: krnet@mailinglists.org Data: Quinta-feira, 14 de Dezembro de 2000 10:57 Assunto: Re: KR> flight instruments >> Ralph asked- >> >Does anyone know a good source for rebuilt or new flight instruments? > >Just don't buy anything from "Falcon Gauge", usually a hundred or two less >than the real thing, and listed as "import" in the catalogs. I don't know >about the rest of their stuff, but their turn coordinators are unbelievably >noisy, both mechanically and electrically. Without a capacitor on the power >leads, you'd just as well toss your radio out the window, because you will >certainly not hear anything but noise coming out of it. And they admitted >that they had serious problems with many of the units coming out of the >factory in China, and there just wasn't anything they could do about it... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:39:27 -0700 To: Leonardo From: Ross Youngblood CC: Mark Langford , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> flight instruments Message-ID: <3A3ED86F.E09CC74@teleport.com> Hi Guys, I have a question.... on your radio setups, what are you using. I have a Terra Com radio, and I used shielded wire on all the connections for Speaker/Headset/Mic, and tested it with the engine running/off and with the T&B on/off for noise. When I did those tests I didn't detect any problems. I believe I purchased my T&B from Chief Aero, but it could have also been a Aircraft Spruce radio. Just thought I would ask if you have shielded wiring on all your audio connections. -- Ross Leonardo wrote: > MARK > > THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME WHEN THE FIRST TIME I TURNED IT ON , I COUNDNT > BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THIS THING PRODUCES AND NOW I DONT KNOW WHAT TO > DO. > > LEO BRAZIL .KR2S > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: Mark Langford > Para: krnet@mailinglists.org > Data: Quinta-feira, 14 de Dezembro de 2000 10:57 > Assunto: Re: KR> flight instruments > > >> Ralph asked- > >> >Does anyone know a good source for rebuilt or new flight instruments? > > > >Just don't buy anything from "Falcon Gauge", usually a hundred or two less > >than the real thing, and listed as "import" in the catalogs. I don't know > >about the rest of their stuff, but their turn coordinators are unbelievably > >noisy, both mechanically and electrically. Without a capacitor on the > power > >leads, you'd just as well toss your radio out the window, because you will > >certainly not hear anything but noise coming out of it. And they admitted > >that they had serious problems with many of the units coming out of the > >factory in China, and there just wasn't anything they could do about it... > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:23:47 EST To: rossy@teleport.com, adrena@brfree.com.br From: GARYKR2@cs.com CC: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> flight instruments Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/00 10:38:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, rossy@teleport.com writes: << Hi Guys, I have a question.... on your radio setups, what are you using. I have a Terra Com radio, and I used shielded wire on all the connections for Speaker/Headset/Mic, and tested it with the engine running/off and with the T&B on/off for noise. When I did those tests I didn't detect any problems. I believe I purchased my T&B from Chief Aero, but it could have also been a Aircraft Spruce radio. Just thought I would ask if you have shielded wiring on all your audio connections. >> Ross, I have a Terra 960 with glideslope, RST Marker Beacon, and a King KT76 installed. None of the wires are shielded and I have no noise. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:06:21 -0600 To: Ross Youngblood From: B&B Muse CC: Leonardo , Mark Langford , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> flight instruments Message-ID: <3A403E4C.A017C4A8@ev1.net> --------------E9A066ABEC70EA1CF7AF68F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ross Youngblood wrote: > Hi Guys, > I have a question.... on your radio setups, what are you using. I have a > Terra > Com radio, and I used shielded wire on all the connections for > Speaker/Headset/Mic, > and tested it with the engine running/off and with the T&B on/off for noise. > When I did > those tests I didn't detect any problems. I believe I purchased my T&B from > Chief > Aero, but it could have also been a Aircraft Spruce radio. > > Just thought I would ask if you have shielded wiring on all your audio > connections. > > -- Ross Ross, I did shield all of my radio wires and have the exact radio setup that you describe. I have very little or no engine noises in my headset. I also use a homemade antenna built into the vertical stabilizer. Bobby Muse --------------E9A066ABEC70EA1CF7AF68F7-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:01:23 -0800 To: From: "John Bouyea" Cc: , , Subject: Problems access "The Archives" Message-ID: <002401c068fb$023435f0$0b00a8c0@bouyea.net> I understand some of you are having problems getting to the archives. I'd like to offer assistance. In the spirit of the KRNetiquette http://63.69.213.180/introduction/intro.html; "Asking questions is fine, but please check the archives at http://www.krnet.org before you post. Virtually everything that's been asked in the last few months has been brought up and "beat to death" several times before, and it's all in the archives. You can read a chapter of the archives every night, and you too can become a KR guru in a week! I'm serious. You don't really want to look TOO much like a newbie, do you?" My site is http://kr2s.bouyea.net stores copies of the KRNet Email list digest. This collection of emails chronicles the "conversations" between the builders pretty much since the inception of the KRNet group started. This is a new name for the server I replaced http://kr2s.timberline.com. In any case, either name should work. http://www.hargray.com/~isleno/krnet/krsearch.html is the search feature that helps find content on my server. My email is; john@bouyea.net http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/commodity/844/ is a site of scanned images of early KR Newsletters. He did have a problem which he resolved a few weeks ago. Mark Langford is the author; langford@hiwaay.net http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ is a search service for very recent KRNet emails. Mark Langford is the author; langford@hiwaay.net http://www.lounsbery.com/Aviation/KRnet/index.asp is billed as "KRnet Message Database" and this seems like it is broken. Walter Lounsberry is author; Walt@Lounsbery.com Please let us know what's right or wrong. We wouldn't be making this effort if we didn't want it to be of assistance. John Bouyea KR2 - in rebuild KR2 - on the gear KR2S - boat stage http://kr2s.bouyea.net/krnet john@bouyea.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:48:29 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Problems access "The Archives" Message-ID: <001401c06909$f8aad020$610fa58c@tbe.com> John Bouyea wrote: > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/commodity/844/ is a site of scanned images > of early KR Newsletters. He did have a problem which he resolved a few > weeks ago. Mark Langford is the author; langford@hiwaay.net Actually this one is Mark Lougheed's work, who can be reached at MDLougheed@juno.com . As for > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ is a search service for very recent > KRNet emails. Mark Langford is the author; langford@hiwaay.net I'm not really the "author" of this one, I just signed us up and let it run... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:27:24 +0200 To: From: "Leigh" Subject: KR2 Project (80%) for Sale (South Africa) Message-ID: <002401c06930$f0149000$8b86ef9b@intekom.co.za> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C06941.B21B53E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All I am sad to say that my KR2 is for sale. The plane is 95% complete in = terms of the necessary components etc. Just needs a prop and some = finishing work. It has a reconditioned 2.0L Type 4 VW motor installed. = Landing Gear I've converted to tri-gear and I've re configured the = joystick so that you can fly sitting in the middle when solo. =20 I have all instruments except a Tacho (Rev counter) and fuel pressure = guage. The instruments include: (VSI, ASI, Alt, T&B, Oil Pressure, Oil = Temp, CHT, EGT, Ammeter, Compass and Hobbs hour meter. I also have a = Mac Electric Servo trim system with a 5 buttom Mac joy stick grip. An = Icom Radio IC-A3 with Head set adaptor and PTT comes along. The = instrument panel is designed and will be laser cut from alumminium in = Jan 2001. =20 My price is R42 000, which is what I've spent on it (and I got it as a = comlete bargain). =20 If you are interested or know of someone who may be interested, please = e-mail me directly and I can e-mail you some pictures. =20 Cheers Leigh Stubbs Cape Town ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C06941.B21B53E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:42:16 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark D Lougheed Subject: Old Newsletter Addresses Message-ID: <20001218.164216.-793195.0.mdlougheed@juno.com> Hi Guys, The fortunecity link to the newsletter archives is the correct one to use now. The geocities site is a dead end. All the files are now stored locally on fortunecity. I revamped the page there to link all files locally. I will put a new link page on the geocities site that will transfer you to the new site soon. In the mean time, link directly to: http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/commodity/844/ Please try the "right click / save as..." method to save the files to your hard disk before reading. I don't know why, but depending on your PDF reader/browser install, some people will experience problems reading on-line. Thanks for your patience. Mark D. Lougheed Newsletter Archive Webmaster. >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:16:31 -0500 >To: >From: "Robert" >Subject: c >Message-ID: <043301c0684d$1a43df00$dd84a6d0@robert> > >Here are the address's that I have. > >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/commodity/844/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:45:21 -0800 To: KR Net From: John Esch Subject: elevator mounts Message-ID: <3A3EF5F1.62B7D2C8@earthlink.net> Howdy all, Long time since I have ask a question due to since I have not been working on the KR until this month. Does anyone see a problem of gluing in the vertical pieces at station "N" and the mounting plywood prior to skinning the fuselage? Of course to make sure to take the measurements to make sure the spar would be square to the center line of the fuselage prior to the gluing. The reason I am thinking of doing this is to make sure I can get the clamps in to get the proper bond. Suggestions? John F. Esch Taxiway Bonanza, Independence, OR KR-2S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:10:01 -0600 To: "KR Net" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> elevator mounts Message-ID: <001801c069bc$ff40d160$610fa58c@tbe.com> > Does anyone see a problem of gluing in the vertical pieces at station > "N" and the mounting plywood prior to skinning the fuselage? > > The reason I am thinking of doing this is to make sure I can get the > clamps in to get the proper bond. John, I thought I was smarter than the plans on this and managed to live long enough to regret it (about a week). Placement of those verticals determines where your horizontal stabilizer/elevator has to go. Well really, it's the tailpost. So if they are a little too close to your tailpost your bellcrank now hits the tailpost, which is convenient if it's located just right, so as to act as a physical "stop", but a real pain if the two are too close together and you have to hog something out somewhere. I ended up abandoning my N verticals that I glued in, and made a new set parallel to them. That makes it hard to put the plywood spar retention bulkhead in, among other things, and there's another ounce or two. And you can't measure that 11 degree angle (or whatever yours is GOING to be) and bevel the sides of those members for maximum surface area against the plywood spar brace. There are lots of things that can't be determined until you have your vertical spar sitting on top of the longerons and you're ready to mount it. As for proper gluing of the fuselage exterior plywood to the verticals (which probably won't be vertical either, if you glue them in early) just run 3 or four number 4 wood screws thru the 3/32" plywood and into the verticals. The small diameter won't split them or I buy those phillips pan headed ones that Wicks sells in various lengths for little jobs like this. Screwing them in first allows you to do fit checks and ensure that both front and rear surfaces are parallel to each other. But make sure you wax the screws if you're using T-88, or you might not ever get them out! Of course if you do enough planning I'm sure you can pull it off, but unless you've built one before, my guess is you won't think of EVERYTHING involved until about a week too late... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:30:00 -0600 (CST) To: John Esch From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> elevator mounts Message-Id: <200012191330.eBJDU0873606@pop3.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> John, This is exactly the way I did mine. It sure makes for ease of installation. Check my web site http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage to see photos of what I did. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI > Howdy all, > > Long time since I have ask a question due to since I have not been > working on the KR until this month. > Does anyone see a problem of gluing in the vertical pieces at station > "N" and the mounting plywood prior to skinning the fuselage? Of course > to make sure to take the measurements to make sure the spar would be > square to the center line of the fuselage prior to the gluing. > > The reason I am thinking of doing this is to make sure I can get the > clamps in to get the proper bond. > > Suggestions? > > John F. Esch > Taxiway Bonanza, Independence, OR > KR-2S > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:58:22 +1000 To: "krnet@...." From: "paul e spicer" Subject: KR-2S about to start Message-ID: <002801c06989$3028f340$85ae868b@paulspicer> ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C069DC.E53744A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0023_01C069DC.E53744A0" ------=_NextPart_001_0023_01C069DC.E53744A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to you all. =20 I have read with interest the information passing from one to another. = I am delighted to be in contact even if some 12,000 miles away. I would be grateful for some info on glues and resins and also some = advice regarding size of table to use in the workshop. The instruction says 4x8ft particle board x2 fixed length-wise then cut = to size. How high - 3 ft? I reckon I shall have room for 12 x 4/5ft. = Is this enough? Thanks for all those of you who have had previous experience. I'm = trying not to re-invent the wheel A very Happy Christmas & New Year. Take care Paul E. 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Hi to you all. 
I have read with interest the = information passing=20 from one to another.  I am delighted to be in contact even if some = 12,000=20 miles away.
 
I would be grateful for some info on = glues and=20 resins and also some advice regarding size of table to use in the=20 workshop.
The instruction says 4x8ft particle = board x2 fixed=20 length-wise then cut to size.  How high - 3 ft?  I reckon I = shall have=20 room for 12 x 4/5ft.  Is this enough?
 
Thanks for all those of you who have = had previous=20 experience.  I'm trying not to re-invent the wheel
 
A very Happy Christmas & New = Year.
Take care
Paul E. Spicer (Cairns, = Australia)
 
------=_NextPart_001_0023_01C069DC.E53744A0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C069DC.E53744A0 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Q's re building and engines KR 2S.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Q's re building and engines KR 2S.eml" Received: from teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com (teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com [139.134.5.165]) by teapot29.domain7.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id _paulspicer for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:19:19 +1000 Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.107]) by mail2.bigpond.com (Claudes-Squeaky-MailRouter V2.9c 3/51754); 16 Nov 2000 12:19:21 Received: from adamsbeast (wdcax10-003.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.110.3]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17588; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:17:22 +1100 Message-ID: <001a01c04f02$14256da0$036e8ec6@adamsbeast> From: "ADAM SPICER" To: Cc: "Paul E. Spicer" Subject: Q's re building and engines KR 2S Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:46:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C04F55.E2AD5A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C04F55.E2AD5A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ross I am staying with a son in Brisbane at present but due to go home to = Cairns in about 10 days. We are here for another grandchild which = turned out just fine - a boy wt 7lb 13 oz. Mum and child well!! Below are questions I have asked and am having problems with answers. = The letters are self explanatory viz: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ADAM SPICER=20 To: pilot@beegroup.com=20 Cc: Paul E. Spicer=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: Fw: Glues & resins Hello again to Rand Robinson particularly to Jeanette I was led to believe I could not reach you by email and now I find I can = - fantastic!~! May I forward these letters to save repeating myself. I wanted to know = what the generic names were so that I could order the correct materials = from Spruce in Australia. Whilst I am able to talk to you would be able to answer another question = viz: a) If I use the Jabiru 80hp engine it is a little lighter than the = VW. Is it permisable to extend the firewall forward by say 5 to 10" = (inches)?=20 b) Or can an engine mount be extended forward? =20 c) If one is able to extend the firewall forward would this be done = by using the longerons that much longer in the first place? Perhaps I am being too preoccupied by the CG at this stage??!! Please reply to this email address of tracspicer@optusnet.com.au - with = copy to me in Cairns at paulspicer@bigpond.com ps. We had another granchild, a boy 7lb 13oz at 1.00am on 15-11-00. = Mother and child are well and doing fine! Many thanks for your help and advice. Paul E. Spicer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Aircraft Spruce=20 To: ADAM SPICER=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:49 AM Subject: Re: Glues & resins on 11/10/00 4:25 PM, ADAM SPICER at tracspicer@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hello there I have ordered the Kr 2S kit but the resins and glues are not included = in overseas shipments. Therefore may I ask a some questions regarding = the glues and resins used in the constructions of the Rand Engineering's = KR 2S? a) What type of glue is normally used for the wooden parts of this = kit? I gather the glue normally used "Araldite" but am not sure. I have = previously built a boat using the Ciba-Geigy "Aerolite" resorcinol glue. = Can this be used here? I gather there is a newer version of the = "Aerolite" called ?"Aerodux" that is also a resorcinol glue. What do you = recommend? b) The resins are 50/50 mix and labelled Rand Robinson resins. What is the generic name of the resins used in this kit please? I may = be able to obtain them from your branch in Australia. I am finding = difficulty in obtaining the info quickly from RR since they have no = email and I have no fax!! The snail mail is rather slow! c) The quick glue used for the foam sounds like the usual 'superglue'. = Is this correct? Please note I have copied to my normal email adress in Cairns, = Australia. This is paulspicer@bigpond.com I am at present staying with = one son in Brisbane. Perhaps you would reply to both email addresses.=20 My thanks for your help and advice. Kind regards Paul E. Spicer Dear Sir,=20 Thanks for the email. These types of questions on glues and resins = are best answerd by the manufacturer. You can e mail RR (Rand-Robinson) = at=20 pilot@beegroup.com or the web site www.kly-kr.com=20 Regards,=20 Renee Gelinas Internet Services Jamie - from Paul Spicer Many thanks for sparing some of your time a week ago when Jane & I = called at the factory unannounced. You will no doubt remember I am = about to start building the Rand Robinson KR 2S. I have found out that the weight of the 2180cc VW engine is 170lbs = less the exhaust. I think that works out at around 77kgs. The 4 = cylinder Jabiru engine (80hp) is about 50kgs I gather. Would this be OK = for the KR 2S? Would this entail adding about an extra 5 inches to the = fuselage ie moving the firewall forward by about that much or is it in = order to add that extra length to the engine mounts? I am wondering = what will happen to the CG? Would be interested in your experience, expert evaluation and = advice. I am still at my son's address and will put myself as cc. - you = remember I live normally in Cairns. The babe is actually on it's way = tonight so I expect to be here for a further 7 to 10 days!! Many thanks for your help. Kindest regards Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C04F55.E2AD5A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ross
I am staying with a son in Brisbane at present = but due to=20 go home to Cairns in about 10 days.  We are here for another = grandchild=20 which turned out just fine - a boy wt 7lb 13 oz.  Mum and child=20 well!!
 
Below are questions I have asked and am having = problems=20 with answers.  The letters are self explanatory viz:
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: ADAM=20 SPICER
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:51 PM
Subject: Fw: Glues & resins

Hello again to Rand Robinson = particularly to=20 Jeanette
I was led to believe I could not reach = you by email=20 and now I find I can - fantastic!~!
May I forward these letters to save repeating=20 myself.  I wanted to know what the generic names were so that I = could order=20 the correct materials from Spruce in Australia.
 
Whilst I am able to talk to you would be able to = answer=20 another question viz:
    a)  If I use the Jabiru = 80hp=20 engine it is a little lighter than the VW.  Is it permisable to = extend the=20 firewall forward by say 5 to 10" (inches)?
    b)  Or can an engine = mount be=20 extended forward? 
    c)  If one is able to = extend the=20 firewall forward would this be done by using the longerons that much = longer in=20 the first place?
 
Perhaps I am being too preoccupied by the CG at = this=20 stage??!!
 
Please reply to this email address of=20 tracspicer@optusnet.com.au  - with copy to me in Cairns at paulspicer@bigpond.com<= /DIV>
 
ps.  We had another granchild, a boy 7lb = 13oz at=20 1.00am on 15-11-00.  Mother and child are well and doing = fine!
 
Many thanks for your help and = advice.
Paul E. Spicer
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Aircraft=20 Spruce
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: Glues & resins

on 11/10/00 4:25 PM, ADAM SPICER at tracspicer@optusnet.com.au= =20 wrote:

Hello = there
I have ordered the Kr 2S kit but the resins and glues are = not=20 included in overseas shipments. Therefore may I ask a some questions = regarding=20 the glues and resins used in the constructions of the Rand = Engineering's KR=20 2S?

a) What type of glue is normally = used for=20 the wooden parts of this kit? I gather the glue normally used = "Araldite" but=20 am not sure. I have previously built a boat using the Ciba-Geigy = "Aerolite"=20 resorcinol glue. Can this be used here? I gather there is a newer = version of=20 the "Aerolite" called ?"Aerodux" that is also a resorcinol glue. What = do you=20 recommend?

b) The resins are 50/50 = mix and=20 labelled Rand Robinson resins.
What is the generic name of the = resins used=20 in this kit please? I may be able to obtain them from your branch in=20 Australia. I am finding difficulty in obtaining the info quickly from = RR since=20 they have no email and I have no fax!! The snail mail is rather=20 slow!

c) The quick glue used for the = foam=20 sounds like the usual 'superglue'. Is this = correct?

Please note I have copied to my normal email adress in = Cairns,=20 Australia. This is paulspicer@bigpond.com I am at present staying with = one son=20 in Brisbane. Perhaps you would reply to both email addresses.=20

My thanks for your help and=20 advice.

Kind = regards

Paul E. Spicer


Dear Sir,
Thanks for the email. = These types of=20 questions on glues and resins are best answerd by the = manufacturer.=20  You can e mail RR (Rand-Robinson) at
pilot@beegroup.com or the web site = www.kly-kr.com

Regards, =
Renee=20 Gelinas
Internet Services

 
Jamie
- from Paul Spicer
 
Many thanks for sparing some of your time = a week ago=20 when Jane & I called at the factory unannounced.  You = will no=20 doubt remember I am about to start building the Rand Robinson KR=20 2S.
 
I have found out that the weight of the = 2180cc VW=20 engine is 170lbs less the exhaust.  I think that works out at = around=20 77kgs.  The 4 cylinder Jabiru engine (80hp) is about 50kgs I = gather.=20 Would this be OK for the KR 2S?  Would this entail adding = about an=20 extra 5 inches to the fuselage ie moving the firewall forward by = about=20 that much or is it in order to add that extra length to the engine = mounts?  I am wondering what will happen to the = CG?
 
Would be interested in your experience, = expert=20 evaluation and advice.
 
I am still at my son's address and will = put myself=20 as cc. - you remember I live normally in Cairns.  The babe is = actually on it's way tonight so I expect to be here for a further = 7 to 10=20 days!!
 
Many thanks for your help.
 
Kindest regards
 
Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C04F55.E2AD5A40-- ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C069DC.E53744A0 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Glues & resins.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Glues & resins.eml" Received: from teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com (teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com [139.134.5.165]) by teapot29.domain7.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id _paulspicer for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:05:47 +1000 Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.114]) by mail2.bigpond.com (Claudes-Energetic-MailRouter V2.9c 3/3898196); 12 Nov 2000 00:05:47 Received: from adamsbeast (wdcax7-232.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.66.232]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA21976; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:05:08 +1100 Message-ID: <001001c04b77$1bc72000$e8428ec6@adamsbeast> From: "ADAM SPICER" To: Cc: "Paul E. Spicer" Subject: Glues & resins Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:25:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C04BC9.ACBF45E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C04BC9.ACBF45E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello there I have ordered the Kr 2S kit but the resins and glues are not included = in overseas shipments. Therefore may I ask a some questions regarding = the glues and resins used in the constructions of the Rand Engineering's = KR 2S? a) What type of glue is normally used for the wooden parts of this kit? = I gather the glue normally used "Araldite" but am not sure. I have = previously built a boat using the Ciba-Geigy "Aerolite" resorcinol glue. = Can this be used here? I gather there is a newer version of the = "Aerolite" called ?"Aerodux" that is also a resorcinol glue. What do you = recommend? b) The resins are 50/50 mix and labelled Rand Robinson resins. What is the generic name of the resins used in this kit please? I may be = able to obtain them from your branch in Australia. I am finding = difficulty in obtaining the info quickly from RR since they have no = email and I have no fax!! The snail mail is rather slow! c) The quick glue used for the foam sounds like the usual 'superglue'. = Is this correct? Please note I have copied to my normal email adress in Cairns, = Australia. This is paulspicer@bigpond.com I am at present staying with = one son in Brisbane. Perhaps you would reply to both email addresses.=20 My thanks for your help and advice. Kind regards Paul E. Spicer ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C04BC9.ACBF45E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello there
I have ordered the Kr 2S kit but the resins and = glues are=20 not included in overseas shipments. Therefore may I ask a some questions = regarding the glues and resins used in the constructions of the Rand=20 Engineering's KR 2S?
 
a) What type of glue is normally used for the = wooden parts=20 of this kit? I gather the glue normally used "Araldite" but am not sure. = I have=20 previously built a boat using the Ciba-Geigy "Aerolite" resorcinol glue. = Can=20 this be used here? I gather there is a newer version of the "Aerolite" = called=20 ?"Aerodux" that is also a resorcinol glue. What do you = recommend?
 
b) The resins are 50/50 mix and labelled Rand = Robinson=20 resins.
What is the generic name of the resins used in = this kit=20 please? I may be able to obtain them from your branch in Australia. I am = finding=20 difficulty in obtaining the info quickly from RR since they have no = email and I=20 have no fax!! The snail mail is rather slow!
 
c) The quick glue used for the foam sounds like = the usual=20 'superglue'. Is this correct?
 
Please note I have copied to my normal email = adress in=20 Cairns, Australia. This is paulspicer@bigpond.com I am = at present=20 staying with one son in Brisbane. Perhaps you would reply to both email=20 addresses.
 
My thanks for your help and advice.
 
Kind regards
 
Paul E. Spicer
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C04BC9.ACBF45E0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C069DC.E53744A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:59:15 -0700 To: "paul e spicer" From: "Brian. P Vasseur" CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S about to start Message-Id: <200012192259.PAA11511@spool1.cadvision.com> For my table I used 3/4" Fir plywood. I was able to make my table 27 feet long which allows me to have the fuselage on the table and still have an 8' area for doing other things. I'd stay away from the particle board. The advantage to using plywood is that you can screw jigs/templates into it without tearout. The particle board will also swell and warp with humidity changes, or if you spill something on it. I set mine 32" high (I'm 5'7") so I'm not stretching to reach all the time. A favorite wood glue of mine is Structan by Excel. It's a polyurethane that comes in a tube, so no mixing. I don't know if the Australian authorities would accept this though. For gluing the foam you can use 5min epoxy, regular epoxy or some kinds of liquid foam. I'm also considering a non-vw engine but I plan to extend the engine mount, not the fuselage, to get the CG I want. Brian paul e spicer wrote: >[Message part 1] >Hi to you all. >I have read with interest the information passing from one to another. I >am delighted to be in contact even if some 12,000 miles away. > >I would be grateful for some info on glues and resins and also some advice >regarding size of table to use in the workshop. >The instruction says 4x8ft particle board x2 fixed length-wise then cut to >size. How high - 3 ft? I reckon I shall have room for 12 x 4/5ft. Is >this enough? > >Thanks for all those of you who have had previous experience. I'm trying >not to re-invent the wheel > >A very Happy Christmas & New Year. >Take care >Paul E. Spicer (Cairns, Australia) > > > >[Message part 2] >Ross >I am staying with a son in Brisbane at present but due to go home to >Cairns in about 10 days. We are here for another grandchild which turned >out just fine - a boy wt 7lb 13 oz. Mum and child well!! > >Below are questions I have asked and am having problems with answers. The >letters are self explanatory viz: > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ADAM SPICER >To: pilot@beegroup.com >Cc: Paul E. Spicer >Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:51 PM >Subject: Fw: Glues & resins > > >Hello again to Rand Robinson particularly to Jeanette >I was led to believe I could not reach you by email and now I find I can - >fantastic!~! >May I forward these letters to save repeating myself. I wanted to know >what the generic names were so that I could order the correct materials >from Spruce in Australia. > >Whilst I am able to talk to you would be able to answer another question >viz: > a) If I use the Jabiru 80hp engine it is a little lighter than the > VW. Is it permisable to extend the firewall forward by say 5 to 10" > (inches)? > b) Or can an engine mount be extended forward? > c) If one is able to extend the firewall forward would this be done > by using the longerons that much longer in the first place? > >Perhaps I am being too preoccupied by the CG at this stage??!! > >Please reply to this email address of tracspicer@optusnet.com.au - with >copy to me in Cairns at paulspicer@bigpond.com > >ps. We had another granchild, a boy 7lb 13oz at 1.00am on 15-11-00. >Mother and child are well and doing fine! > >Many thanks for your help and advice. >Paul E. Spicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Aircraft Spruce >To: ADAM SPICER >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:49 AM >Subject: Re: Glues & resins > > >on 11/10/00 4:25 PM, ADAM SPICER at tracspicer@optusnet.com.au wrote: > > > Hello there > I have ordered the Kr 2S kit but the resins and glues are not included > in overseas shipments. Therefore may I ask a some questions regarding > the glues and resins used in the constructions of the Rand Engineering's > KR 2S? > > a) What type of glue is normally used for the wooden parts of this kit? > I gather the glue normally used "Araldite" but am not sure. I have > previously built a boat using the Ciba-Geigy "Aerolite" resorcinol glue. > Can this be used here? I gather there is a newer version of the > "Aerolite" called ?"Aerodux" that is also a resorcinol glue. What do you > recommend? > > b) The resins are 50/50 mix and labelled Rand Robinson resins. > What is the generic name of the resins used in this kit please? I may be > able to obtain them from your branch in Australia. I am finding > difficulty in obtaining the info quickly from RR since they have no > email and I have no fax!! The snail mail is rather slow! > > c) The quick glue used for the foam sounds like the usual 'superglue'. > Is this correct? > > Please note I have copied to my normal email adress in Cairns, > Australia. This is paulspicer@bigpond.com I am at present staying with > one son in Brisbane. Perhaps you would reply to both email addresses. > > My thanks for your help and advice. > > Kind regards > > Paul E. Spicer > > > > > Dear Sir, > Thanks for the email. These types of questions on glues and resins > are best answerd by the manufacturer. You can e mail RR > (Rand-Robinson) at > pilot@beegroup.com or the web site www.kly-kr.com > > Regards, > Renee Gelinas > Internet Services > > > Jamie > - from Paul Spicer > > Many thanks for sparing some of your time a week ago when Jane & I > called at the factory unannounced. You will no doubt remember I am > about to start building the Rand Robinson KR 2S. > > I have found out that the weight of the 2180cc VW engine is 170lbs > less the exhaust. I think that works out at around 77kgs. The 4 > cylinder Jabiru engine (80hp) is about 50kgs I gather. Would this be > OK for the KR 2S? Would this entail adding about an extra 5 inches > to the fuselage ie moving the firewall forward by about that much or > is it in order to add that extra length to the engine mounts? I am > wondering what will happen to the CG? > > Would be interested in your experience, expert evaluation and > advice. > > I am still at my son's address and will put myself as cc. - you > remember I live normally in Cairns. The babe is actually on it's > way tonight so I expect to be here for a further 7 to 10 days!! > > Many thanks for your help. > > Kindest regards > > Paul > > >[Message part 3] >Hello there >I have ordered the Kr 2S kit but the resins and glues are not included in >overseas shipments. Therefore may I ask a some questions regarding the >glues and resins used in the constructions of the Rand Engineering's KR >2S? > >a) What type of glue is normally used for the wooden parts of this kit? I >gather the glue normally used "Araldite" but am not sure. I have >previously built a boat using the Ciba-Geigy "Aerolite" resorcinol glue. >Can this be used here? I gather there is a newer version of the "Aerolite" >called ?"Aerodux" that is also a resorcinol glue. What do you recommend? > >b) The resins are 50/50 mix and labelled Rand Robinson resins. >What is the generic name of the resins used in this kit please? I may be >able to obtain them from your branch in Australia. I am finding difficulty >in obtaining the info quickly from RR since they have no email and I have >no fax!! The snail mail is rather slow! > >c) The quick glue used for the foam sounds like the usual 'superglue'. Is >this correct? > >Please note I have copied to my normal email adress in Cairns, Australia. >This is paulspicer@bigpond.com I am at present staying with one son in >Brisbane. Perhaps you would reply to both email addresses. > >My thanks for your help and advice. > >Kind regards > >Paul E. Spicer > > >[Message part 4] >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Brian. P Vasseur -- vasseurb@cadvision.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:40:17 -0500 To: KR Net From: Marty Hammersmith Subject: Re: KR> wing construction Message-ID: <3A3F4921.BFF5768A@worldnet.att.net> I've visited KR site after KR site and still can't discern what is the stock construction of the KR2 or KR2S wings if building from plans? Is it blue styrene foam hotwired to match the ribs or polyeurothane foam then sanded to match the ribs? -- Marty Hammersmith http://www.geocities.com/mhammersmith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:13:35 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> wing construction Message-ID: In a message dated 12/19/00 6:37:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, baleco@worldnet.att.net writes: << I've visited KR site after KR site and still can't discern what is the stock construction of the KR2 or KR2S wings if building from plans? Is it blue styrene foam hotwired to match the ribs or polyeurothane foam then sanded to match the ribs? -- Marty Hammersmith >> Polyeurothane foam sanded to match the ribs. Is it the best way?? You decide. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:07:45 -0200 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Leonardo" Subject: new kid on the block Message-ID: <000601c069bc$ae6fbb20$d64dfea9@estacao1> hello guys !!! my plane is ready to fly and this is the cause of my non sleeping nigths i,m very excited about it. ckeck this out http://geocities.com/leoadrena/krpage.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:59:00 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Flight test protocol Message-ID: <20001219.185901.-309185.0.klw1953@juno.com> Is anyone able to help me with my flight test protocol that my DAR would like me to put together? In other words, I need to put a plan together that I will follow during the flight test phase that will set my v-speeds etc. If anyone remembers how they did it , it would be a big help. Thanks to all that may respond!!!-----------------Kenny (N6399U) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:20:04 -0400 To: klw1953@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> Flight test protocol Message-ID: you can check this out... it's a link I saved from an earlier post, a couple months ago, iirc... http://63.69.213.180/chapter11/junkin/main.html Gaston >From: Kenneth L Wiltrout >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Flight test protocol >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:59:00 -0500 > >Is anyone able to help me with my flight test protocol that my DAR would >like me to put together? >In other words, I need to put a plan together that I will follow during >the flight test phase that will set my v-speeds etc. If anyone remembers >how they did it , it would be a big help. >Thanks to all that may respond!!!-----------------Kenny (N6399U) >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:38:26 -0700 To: , "Kenneth L Wiltrout" From: "Brian Vasseur" Subject: Re: KR> Flight test protocol Message-ID: <004a01c06a2d$ee2ef020$2c45e4cf@C5477> In the KRNET Archives, I think somewhere between 65-70 was a very long flight test regime that described all the details of a test plan. IT's worth finding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: KR> Flight test protocol > Is anyone able to help me with my flight test protocol that my DAR would > like me to put together? > In other words, I need to put a plan together that I will follow during > the flight test phase that will set my v-speeds etc. If anyone remembers > how they did it , it would be a big help. > Thanks to all that may respond!!!-----------------Kenny (N6399U) > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:00:59 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Test Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001221090025.00948830@pop.erols.com> Just a test, nothing has been coming through recently. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL construction at http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://users.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************