From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Feb 2001 12:56:47 -0000 Issue 174 Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:57 AM krnet Digest 21 Feb 2001 12:56:47 -0000 Issue 174 Topics (messages 4103 through 4132): Unsubscribe me Please 4103 by: Rae Sauls Canadians beware! 4104 by: Al Friesen 4107 by: Brian Vasseur 4110 by: w.g. kirkland Sun & Fun 2001 4105 by: gpasc Invalueable Info 4106 by: cartera just a couple of questions... 4108 by: Mark Langford 4111 by: Mark Jones 4116 by: Frank Ross 4117 by: WA7YXF.aol.com 4118 by: Guenther Bryce 4121 by: Michael Geoghegan 4122 by: Mark Jones 4123 by: Edwin Blocher 4124 by: Laheze.aol.com Re: just a couple of answers... 4109 by: Scott Norville KR 2 for sale, $8k 4112 by: CS Re: SPAM 4113 by: Ross Youngblood Re: Seat belt attachments on a KR2 4114 by: Ross Youngblood 4127 by: Ron Eason Re: More Oil related Spam from Ross 4115 by: Ross Youngblood High RPM at engine startup 4119 by: Serge F. VIDAL 4120 by: Frank Ross 4126 by: larry flesner Reply To All 4125 by: Rick Hubka oops 4128 by: Timothy Brown Corrosion protection for exhaust pipes 4129 by: Serge F. VIDAL 4130 by: Timothy Brown Shoulder harness attachment 4131 by: Parley Byington exhaust 4132 by: larry flesner Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:57:14 -0500 To: From: "Rae Sauls" Subject: Unsubscribe me Please Message-ID: <001e01c09aa5$dd99cf20$26a9b1cd@rsauls> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C09A7B.DCF6F180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please take me off your mailing list! raesauls@knight-hub.com ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C09A7B.DCF6F180-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:28:28 -0800 To: From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Canadians beware! Message-ID: <001901c0984e$a584f8c0$98cb6cce@s8z8i0> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0980B.9594E800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Canadian netters, Keep it light, or you will be jumping through hoops. The KR-2S maximum = empty weight is based on a formula set by TC which goes like this. = Max empty weight =3D Design gross 980lbs.- (175 = + 175) + (0.5 times HP)=20 Max empty weight =3D 980 - 350 + 37.5=20 Max empty weight =3D 980 - 387.5 Max empty weight =3D 592.5lbs. (append. 1, page 8, 549.107) This hoop gets worse with more HP. Has nothing to do with wing loading which is another formula hoop. or = weight & balance. (append. 1, page 7, 549.103) Wing loading is 13.3lbs. without flaps & 20.4lbs. ( append.1,page = 18,item b. A549.5) Jeannette Rand is getting me an engineers gross increase to 1050lbs. = when she can get hold of him as he is travelling. Hope she can get him = soon as my life is in a state until I get the increase. I am only = 83.5lbs. over the limit with this formula. Hope this helps those that started light & any who may have the same = problem. Al=20 To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0980B.9594E800-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:08:36 -0700 To: "Al Friesen" , From: "Brian Vasseur" Subject: Re: KR> Canadians beware! Message-ID: <005001c09aea$6b2b52c0$2c45e4cf@C5477> There's another way around this. The gross weight is a declared value which doesn't have to be what's stated on the plans. You can arbitrarily increase the GW to 1200 if you'd like to get around the formula, although I have to go back and check to see if you must meet a +4/-1.8 load. The intent of this calculation was to ensure that an airplane actually has sufficient room to allow two people without exceeding the gross weight. Another possible way around this if you stick to the 980 gross and you're already overweight empty is to work with TC on a declaration for the maximum passenger weight. There'd be some placarding required for that location but it's an option they may consider. Hope this helps. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Friesen" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: KR> Canadians beware! Canadian netters, Keep it light, or you will be jumping through hoops. The KR-2S maximum empty weight is based on a formula set by TC which goes like this. Max empty weight = Design gross 980lbs.- (175 + 175) + (0.5 times HP) Max empty weight = 980 - 350 + 37.5 Max empty weight = 980 - 387.5 Max empty weight = 592.5lbs. (append. 1, page 8, 549.107) This hoop gets worse with more HP. Has nothing to do with wing loading which is another formula hoop. or weight & balance. (append. 1, page 7, 549.103) Wing loading is 13.3lbs. without flaps & 20.4lbs. ( append.1,page 18,item b. A549.5) Jeannette Rand is getting me an engineers gross increase to 1050lbs. when she can get hold of him as he is travelling. Hope she can get him soon as my life is in a state until I get the increase. I am only 83.5lbs. over the limit with this formula. Hope this helps those that started light & any who may have the same problem. Al To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:47:10 -0500 To: "Al Friesen" , From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Canadians beware! Message-ID: <000c01c09af8$309657a0$49905bd1@kirkland> Thanks for the heads up Al. it will be interesting to see where I come out at. I presume the 175+175 represents two passengers. WGK Parry Sound W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Friesen" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:28 PM Subject: KR> Canadians beware! Canadian netters, Keep it light, or you will be jumping through hoops. The KR-2S maximum empty weight is based on a formula set by TC which goes like this. Max empty weight = Design gross 980lbs.- (175 + 175) + (0.5 times HP) Max empty weight = 980 - 350 + 37.5 Max empty weight = 980 - 387.5 Max empty weight = 592.5lbs. (append. 1, page 8, 549.107) This hoop gets worse with more HP. Has nothing to do with wing loading which is another formula hoop. or weight & balance. (append. 1, page 7, 549.103) Wing loading is 13.3lbs. without flaps & 20.4lbs. ( append.1,page 18,item b. A549.5) Jeannette Rand is getting me an engineers gross increase to 1050lbs. when she can get hold of him as he is travelling. Hope she can get him soon as my life is in a state until I get the increase. I am only 83.5lbs. over the limit with this formula. Hope this helps those that started light & any who may have the same problem. Al To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:17:21 -0600 To: From: gpasc Subject: Sun & Fun 2001 Message-ID: --MS_Mac_OE_3065437041_1133547_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Frank: We are hosting a FREE BBQ at Sun & Fun on Monday, April 9 at 5:30 PM for KR Netters, Sonerai builders, Sonex builders and GPAS customers. Hope all of you can make it! Linda Great Plains Aircraft Supply Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) To: krnet mailing lists From: Frank Ross Subject: SUN & FUN 2001 Message-ID: <20010217184524.3249.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> I'm going to Sun & Fun again this year. My car is too small to offer rides but, I would like to meet up with anyone else from the KRNet who might be there. Anyone going? Will there be a "KR get-together"? ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, --MS_Mac_OE_3065437041_1133547_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:31:47 -0700 To: KR-Net From: cartera Subject: Invalueable Info Message-ID: <3A9190C3.389B17F2@cuug.ab.ca> Hello Gang, For the gung ho dreamer who have not started to build as yet. This taken off Avweb written by Ken gives a lot of food for thought. Happy Flying and Building! SO YOU THINK YOU'RE READY TO BUILD YOUR OWN AIRPLANE? Don't make the time-consuming, money-wasting, frustrating mistakes that thousands of other kitplane builders have made. Before you buy a kit or plans and start investing in your dream, read "Choosing Your Homebuilt" by Ken Armstrong. This book will help you decide if home-building is truly for you. It will help you choose a plane you will enjoy building as well as flying. And it can help in your decision to commit to a multi-year project by highlighting costs, regulations and numerous other items. Order now through March 31, or while supplies last, and receive "Choosing Your Homebuilt", from Butterfield Press, for $16.95, a savings of $5 off the regular price, at . -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:24:40 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <006201c09af5$0ae6d960$561cf618@600athlon> Why is it that nobody bothered to answer Timothy's question about how wide a KR2 firewall is vs a KR2S firewall? Everybody that ordered KR2S plans received a KR2S firewall drawing, as well as a KR2 firewall drawing. Am I the only one that can spare the time to take them out and notice that one is almost 2" wider than the other? And why is it that nobody answered Timothy's question regarding the thickness of the shear web that attaches the rear horizontal stabilizer to the fuselage? If I'm not mistaken there are at least 50 people on this list who are past that stage, and should know the answer that they've already found to that question. Am I the only one that knows that the thickness was increased from 3/32" to 1/4" after Dan Diehl discovered his was broken and had been flapping in the breeze? Am I the only one that's read the old newsletter that mentions this? And how many people had a copy of that shoulder belt attachement bulletin from Rand Robinson that was handed out at both Oshkosh and the Gathering? I guess I was the only one that got it, or the only one that kept it. Why is it that I have to answer all the questions? And don't say "you didn't have to", because in each case I waited for days for somebody else to do it, but ended up doing it myself. Am I the only one that knows anything about KRs? You guys are full of answers to stuff that doesn't matter, but when it comes to life and death matters that you KNOW the anwers to, nobody bothers... Mark Langford, trying to keep a low profile, and failing miserably mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:50:31 -0600 To: Mark Langford From: Mark Jones CC: KR-Net Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <3A91F797.2019885E@execpc.com> Well well, Again it looks as though Mark L has made a very good observation here. He is one of the most treasured resources in the KR family and I must admit I am guilty to all charges here. I have read all the e-mails and have been reluctant to post reply's to the net. Maybe it is because there is so much crap and slamming which needs to be contained. I have sent direct replies to people which I guess should have gone to the net for all to see. Yes, I could have answered these questions and probably should have. half of the time I am at work when I read the post and do not have the data with me to give an accurate answer and honestly do not remember to do so when I arrive home because I usually feel they will be answered by then. I APOLOGIZE for not stepping in more and fully intend to help Mark L and others answer the questions coming in. As a matter of fact we all need to do this. I receive questions directly quite frequently from prospective builders who have visited my web site and told me they found it listed through search engines. I think my site is listed with fourteen at last count. There are a lot of new guys/gals out there who are wannabe's or are just beginning and these people need our support. I am willing to commit to building the net back to where it is a resource for KR builders! Are you??? Let's all get in on this and help each other with useful information. Think about what you are posting and don't do if it has no value. If it has value then don't hesitate to make it public. I need your help as a motivational tool right now and I will return the favor with what knowledge I have obtained. My 2 cents worth. Thanks for listening. Mark Jones Mark Langford wrote: > Why is it that nobody bothered to answer Timothy's question about how wide a > KR2 firewall is vs a KR2S firewall? Everybody that ordered KR2S plans > received a KR2S firewall drawing, as well as a KR2 firewall drawing. Am I > the only one that can spare the time to take them out and notice that one is > almost 2" wider than the other? > > And why is it that nobody answered Timothy's question regarding the > thickness of the shear web that attaches the rear horizontal stabilizer to > the fuselage? If I'm not mistaken there are at least 50 people on this list > who are past that stage, and should know the answer that they've already > found to that question. Am I the only one that knows that the thickness was > increased from 3/32" to 1/4" after Dan Diehl discovered his was broken and > had been flapping in the breeze? Am I the only one that's read the old > newsletter that mentions this? > > And how many people had a copy of that shoulder belt attachement bulletin > from Rand Robinson that was handed out at both Oshkosh and the Gathering? I > guess I was the only one that got it, or the only one that kept it. > > Why is it that I have to answer all the questions? And don't say "you > didn't have to", because in each case I waited for days for somebody else to > do it, but ended up doing it myself. > > Am I the only one that knows anything about KRs? You guys are full of > answers to stuff that doesn't matter, but when it comes to life and death > matters that you KNOW the anwers to, nobody bothers... > > Mark Langford, trying to keep a low profile, and failing miserably > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:12:37 -0800 (PST) To: KR-Net From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <20010220161237.8574.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Langford wrote: > Why is it that nobody bothered to answer Timothy's > question ...? .... > Mark Langford, trying to keep a low profile, and > failing miserably Mark, others, A lot of the questions are answered off net. I keep a copy of the questions and answers in case I have the same problem. Answering off-net usually means that when I (and others) have a similar problem, we have to post the same question and hope for an answer. Seems it would be just as easy to post on-net and then everyone has the answer. I sure would appreciate it. I am very grateful for all the time each of you put into answers and web-sites. I know how busy you are and how time-consuming answering questions can be. My way of re-paying you will be to stay on the net and begin providing answers when I get to the point that I know the answers. Thanks ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:13:48 EST To: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <70.802cf2f.27c3ffcc@aol.com> I > > Why is it that nobody bothered to answer Timothy's > > question ...? .... > > Mark Langford, trying to keep a low profile, and > > failing miserably > > > Mark, others, > A lot of the questions are answered off net. I keep a > copy of the questions and answers in case I have the > same problem. Answering off-net usually means that > when I (and others) have a similar problem, we have to > post the same question and hope for an answer. Seems > it would be just as easy to post on-net and then > everyone has the answer. I sure would appreciate it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Last time I gave an answer on-net, it got turned into something I never said, then the person that did it, challenged me to return on line and explain the opinion I did not have.........ha..... Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:29:17 -0800 (PST) To: Frank Ross , KR-Net From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <20010220172917.36777.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Answering questions about KR2S a much newer version in a comparative manner and complaining about nil responses on design differences being highlighted is not anybodys fault just think enthusiasts why did the KR2S come out because the improvements were neccessary ? --- Frank Ross wrote: > --- Mark Langford wrote: > > Why is it that nobody bothered to answer Timothy's > > question ...? .... > > Mark Langford, trying to keep a low profile, and > > failing miserably > > > Mark, others, > A lot of the questions are answered off net. I keep > a > copy of the questions and answers in case I have the > same problem. Answering off-net usually means that > when I (and others) have a similar problem, we have > to > post the same question and hope for an answer. Seems > it would be just as easy to post on-net and then > everyone has the answer. I sure would appreciate it. > > > I am very grateful for all the time each of you put > into answers and web-sites. I know how busy you are > and how time-consuming answering questions can be. > My > way of re-paying you will be to stay on the net and > begin providing answers when I get to the point that > I > know the answers. > Thanks > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:11:00 -0500 To: Frank Ross From: Michael Geoghegan CC: KR-Net Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <3A92F984.8A511C6F@sover.net> I might note that there was a decision made, after considerable debate and vote to change the reply all default to reply only to the sender default. I think it has taken a while but you Mark have finally reported the results. Although there were many more daily posts in the past everyone got to see the all the answers to all the questions. Ah the good old days. Mike Geoghegan N47MG Frank Ross wrote: > --- Mark Langford wrote: > > Why is it that nobody bothered to answer Timothy's > > question ...? .... > > Mark Langford, trying to keep a low profile, and > > failing miserably > > Mark, others, > A lot of the questions are answered off net. I keep a > copy of the questions and answers in case I have the > same problem. Answering off-net usually means that > when I (and others) have a similar problem, we have to > post the same question and hope for an answer. Seems > it would be just as easy to post on-net and then > everyone has the answer. I sure would appreciate it. > > I am very grateful for all the time each of you put > into answers and web-sites. I know how busy you are > and how time-consuming answering questions can be. My > way of re-paying you will be to stay on the net and > begin providing answers when I get to the point that I > know the answers. > Thanks > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:34:45 -0600 To: Michael Geoghegan From: Mark Jones CC: Frank Ross , KR-Net Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <3A930D25.503E5FA9@execpc.com> Excellent point made here about the "reply to". I would like it set to default to all to see every post. I feel we all are missing a lot of important messages because of the "reply to" default being set as it is. I vote to get rid of it so all post are sent through the net!!! Mark Jones Michael Geoghegan wrote: > I might note that there was a decision made, after considerable debate > and vote to change the reply all default to reply only to the sender > default. I think it has taken a while but you Mark have finally reported > the results. Although there were many more daily posts in the past > everyone got to see the all the answers to all the questions. Ah the > good old days. > > Mike Geoghegan > N47MG > > Frank Ross wrote: > > > --- Mark Langford wrote: > > > Why is it that nobody bothered to answer Timothy's > > > question ...? .... > > > Mark Langford, trying to keep a low profile, and > > > failing miserably > > > > Mark, others, > > A lot of the questions are answered off net. I keep a > > copy of the questions and answers in case I have the > > same problem. Answering off-net usually means that > > when I (and others) have a similar problem, we have to > > post the same question and hope for an answer. Seems > > it would be just as easy to post on-net and then > > everyone has the answer. I sure would appreciate it. > > > > I am very grateful for all the time each of you put > > into answers and web-sites. I know how busy you are > > and how time-consuming answering questions can be. My > > way of re-paying you will be to stay on the net and > > begin providing answers when I get to the point that I > > know the answers. > > Thanks > > > > ===== > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:26:36 -0600 To: "Mark Jones" , "Michael Geoghegan" From: "Edwin Blocher" Cc: "Frank Ross" , "KR-Net" Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <001901c09ba5$56f6d520$ece879a5@computer> I agree with Mike and Mark. I know I am missing a lot of answers. If it pertains to something I'm not interested in all I have to do is hit delete like I do on Corvaircraft. Ed Ed Blocher Moody, Alabama kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones To: Michael Geoghegan Cc: Frank Ross ; KR-Net Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... > Excellent point made here about the "reply to". I would like it set to > default to all to see every post. I feel we all are missing a lot of > important messages because of the "reply to" default being set as it is. I > vote to get rid of it so all post are sent through the net!!! > Mark Jones > > Michael Geoghegan wrote: > > > I might note that there was a decision made, after considerable debate > > and vote to change the reply all default to reply only to the sender > > default. I think it has taken a while but you Mark have finally reported > > the results. Although there were many more daily posts in the past > > everyone got to see the all the answers to all the questions. Ah the > > good old days. > > > > Mike Geoghegan > > N47MG > > > > Frank Ross wrote: > > > > > --- Mark Langford wrote: > > > > Why is it that nobody bothered to answer Timothy's > > > > question ...? .... > > > > Mark Langford, trying to keep a low profile, and > > > > failing miserably > > > > > > Mark, others, > > > A lot of the questions are answered off net. I keep a > > > copy of the questions and answers in case I have the > > > same problem. Answering off-net usually means that > > > when I (and others) have a similar problem, we have to > > > post the same question and hope for an answer. Seems > > > it would be just as easy to post on-net and then > > > everyone has the answer. I sure would appreciate it. > > > > > > I am very grateful for all the time each of you put > > > into answers and web-sites. I know how busy you are > > > and how time-consuming answering questions can be. My > > > way of re-paying you will be to stay on the net and > > > begin providing answers when I get to the point that I > > > know the answers. > > > Thanks > > > > > > ===== > > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:39:26 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Laheze@aol.com Subject: Fwd: KR> just a couple of questions... Message-ID: <53.29d8bcf.27c4764e@aol.com> --part1_53.29d8bcf.27c4764e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_53.29d8bcf.27c4764e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Laheze@aol.com Full-name: Laheze Message-ID: <11.100b6cce.27c47609@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:38:17 EST Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of questions... To: kr-n899eb@mindspring.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 I think we should fight some more, I kinda miss it ! Just kidding ! Larry Howell laheze@aol.com --part1_53.29d8bcf.27c4764e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:37:00 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Norville Subject: Re: KR> just a couple of answers... Message-Id: <200102200437.XAA05590@web2.po.com> Mark: Thank you for the wealth of information you have provided. One reason I chose this aircraft was the availability of information in the archives, web pages and this list. The archives are usually anavailable lately, and the list has spent more time on non-building issues. I don't have many answers, but I will provide what I can. Scott KR2.5 in Fort Worth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: KR 2 for sale, $8k Message-ID: <20010220051109.29334.qmail@web2305.mail.yahoo.com> Hi... Came across this ad on one of the classified pages, don't know how old it might be...looks like a flying KR 2 for about the cost of parts... KR2 taildragger. 11-TTSN. FAA logbook sign off. Airworthiness certificate. 1600 Volkswagon. Ready to go. Lost medical and hangar. $8000, (320)679-5980. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 05:09:36 -0700 To: Robert Stone From: Ross Youngblood CC: ron.martha@mindspring.com, Cary Honeywell , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: SPAM Message-ID: <3A925E7F.B4A07D2E@home.com> The best way to understand SPAM is to get a hold of a Monty Python TV Fan, and have them loan you the CD-ROM with the SPAM skit. There is a restraunt where all the menu items go somthing like this. Spam, Spam, Spam Eggs and Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam Eggs and Spam and so on. The skit is rather funny, but eventually breaks down into a large group of bearded vikings in helmets with horns on them singing SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, SPAM ... Wonderful Spam... The term SPAM refers to the fact that during the skit 90% of the dialog was the word "spam" with lines like. I'd like an order of SPAM SPAM SPAM eggs and SPAM without so much SPAM in it. At any rate... I think the British wonder what us Americans do with a meat product that is press fit to look like a paperweight. Hence the original skit. However, with respect to email, SPAM refers to worthless dialog that has nothing to do with the topic of interest, and keeps you from your ham and eggs so to speak. -- Regards Ross (Spam Spam Spam Eggs & Spam) Youngblood Robert Stone wrote: > Would someone explain to me what SPAM is? > > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" > To: "Cary Honeywell" ; > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:42 PM > Subject: RE: KR> another bird > > > Looks like spam to me. > > > > Ron Freiberger... > > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cary Honeywell [mailto:caryh@home.com] > > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 12:25 PM > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> another bird > > > > > > I think this is spam? does anyone else think so? > > > > - Cary - > > > > Cary Honeywell > > caryh@home.com > > ve3ev@rac.ca > > http://24.112.208.98 > > KR-2 http://24.112.208.98/kr2.shtml > > Ottawa Air Traffic http://24.112.208.98/demo3.ram > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The Ravivs > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Date: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:26 AM > > Subject: KR> another bird > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > If some of you are interested in a different bird alltogether, visit us at > > the following URL: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Barra-buiders > > and see what's going on with those who build/fly the Barracuda. > > > > Best regards > > Mike Raviv > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To > > post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 05:42:49 -0700 To: "HEATH, DANIEL R" From: Ross Youngblood CC: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" Subject: Re: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 Message-ID: <3A926649.3B07D8AD@home.com> There was a newsletter article about using AN4 eye bolts for attaching the sling seat tube, then attaching the seat belts here. Then Monte Miller sent in another contribution with the details on construcing a steel bar behind the seat back attached with oak blocks to the longerons. I constructed one of these and attached my sholder harness there. I can't comment on the structural integrity of this, however it is vastly superior to those provided by the plans. (NONE) My solution / ZERO Solution = infinitely better solution -- Ross "HEATH, DANIEL R" wrote: > The only way I know of to attach seat belts on a KR2 is by cables to the > tailwheel. Does anyone know of any other ways that are safe? > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@SCANA.com > 803-217-9984 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:47:20 -0600 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 Message-ID: <007e01c09bb0$9d74c9c0$ba7239ce@dana-coe> I thought I would add my approach to seat belt installation. Here is what I am doing with the seat belts. First, I brought a Dragster type 5 point, 3" wide belt from JEG'S www.jegs.com they have quick release type hardware. Second, I fabricated a bulkhead from 5/8" sound plywood to epoxy in the rear area behind the minor spar[ lots of shear area here]. I lightened the plywood bulkhead by routing voids in the center areas where no stress concentrations are accumulated, making a structural web. Lastly I epoxy laminated 2-way glass on each facing surface with structural urethane foam in the routed out voids. the result is a very light strong bulkhead. I added cromally plates to attach the upper belt attachment points and attached a cable from the tail to the center of the bulkhead with a plate also. The lower seat belt parts attach to the minor spar. The bulkhead also serves as a anchor for my "adjustable & offset sling seat" with shelf. Sounds time consuming and it is, but it works for me. I would not like to make it down and break some body parts upon stopping. I will have photos of the setup on my web site when I get the time to put then their. My web page is http://www.jrl-engineering.com/hangar.html . KRRon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 05:55:23 -0700 To: rtecg@telepath.com From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: More Oil related Spam from Ross Message-ID: <3A92693B.17579A34@home.com> Oil may be a depleating resource, but there is money in looking for oil, and the price is still set by old price and demand. I used to work for Schlumberger (an oil exploration firm which competed with Dick Chaneys firm Halberton). When oil prices go down, firms stop exploring for new oil, so supplies eventualy dry up, then when oil prices spike, it becomes profitable to look for new oil sources, and you can be sure that there are all kinds of nifty ways to look for oil when the price is right, this then enhances the supply again. For example, did you know that the sensors in a drill head feed back data back to the oil rig on what type of rock is being drilled, and the operators can steer the drill bit around to avoid getting stuck between different types of rock. I didn't know this as I didn't work in the oil side of the business, but the electronics. It turns out that you can't send signals down a wire due to the complexity of the system, so pressure waves are used to send and recieve information between the oil rig and the drill bit underground... pretty nifty stuff I thought. And, if the bit does get stuck, it takes about two days to remove all the pipe from the wellhole, fix the problem then get all that pipe thousands of feet back under ground. And if I recall it costs several hundred thousands of dollars per hour to mess around with a oil rig, so you really want to be looking for oil, or extracting it, instead of messing around with broken stuff. -- Ross > No, the world will not run out of oil > until late this century. But, it is running out of cheap oil. This > will make KRs look better and better. Remember that oil is a depleting > resource. Too, energy cannot be recycled. Every gallon we use is > one less for our children. Even to maintain world production capacity > we need new giant and supergiant discoveries (multii-billion barrel > size), but there haven't been any for about thirty years. Natural gas > is also a depleting resource, and the left Coast is trying to use it > all up as fast as possible. There are other things that will make > KRs look very good. > Rex Ellington > rtecg@telepath.com > Norman, OK > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:09:04 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: High RPM at engine startup Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C09B89.BCC49AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, fellow netters! Here is an enigma for the proficient mechanics. My KR2, ZS-WEC, is fitted with a normally aspirated air cooled 2-liter Volkswagen engine. Few transformations, apart from dual electronic ignition. No starter, but a nice propeller to swing. One day, the engine would not start. I was alone, and the choke being spring-loaded, I could not try to use it. So, I tried a technique that I had been told to be very effective on Tiger Moths: I turned the propeller counter-clockwise for a few turns, then tried to start. The result: a nice engine start, and immediate a huge RPM, despite the fact that the throttle was full back. Naturally, this KR2 being a taildragger, my propeller did not survive (Sight!). Questions: * Does anybody have a suitable explanation? * What should I do to prevent that in the future? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C09B89.BCC49AC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:21:29 -0800 (PST) To: svidal@icon.co.za, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> High RPM at engine startup Message-ID: <20010220222129.2018.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> I'll bet the Tiger Moth did not have dual electronic ignition. I am not a mechanic, but I know the "modern" ignition systems are very sensitive about things like a) disconnecting the battery while the engine is running to check the alternator, b) being turned over backwards, c) disconnecting and reconnecting the battery wrong lead first. Don't ask how I know these things... My bet is it isn't a good idea to turn an engine with electronic ignition backwards. Now let's hear from some folks who know what they're talking about. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX --- "Serge F. VIDAL" wrote: > Hi, fellow netters! Here is an enigma for the > proficient mechanics. > > My KR2, ZS-WEC, is fitted with a normally aspirated > air cooled 2-liter > Volkswagen engine. Few transformations, apart from > dual electronic ignition. > No starter, but a nice propeller to swing. > > One day, the engine would not start. I was alone, > and the choke being > spring-loaded, I could not try to use it. So, I > tried a technique that I had > been told to be very effective on Tiger Moths: I > turned the propeller > counter-clockwise for a few turns, then tried to > start. > > The result: a nice engine start, and immediate a > huge RPM, despite the fact > that the throttle was full back. Naturally, this KR2 > being a taildragger, my > propeller did not survive (Sight!). > > Questions: > > * Does anybody have a suitable > explanation? > * What should I do to prevent that in > the future? > > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:08:32 -0600 To: , From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> High RPM at engine startup Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010220200832.008ae830@pop3.norton.antivirus> >The result: a nice engine start, and immediate a huge RPM, despite the fact >that the throttle was full back. Naturally, this KR2 being a taildragger, my >propeller did not survive (Sight!). >Questions: >* Does anybody have a suitable explanation? >* What should I do to prevent that in the future? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Start by securing the tail with a rope or chain. Sounds like you sucked excess fuel into the manifold. Try less backward revolutions next time. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:04:16 -0700 To: "KRNet - New" From: "Rick Hubka" Subject: Reply To All Message-ID: <008301c09baa$987c4340$d15dfea9@cg.shawcable.net> Hi People... Notice I changed the Topic... I've been on KRNet for just over 2 years now (still consider myself almost a newby ) and really miss the "Reply to All". Although there have been several times when I could do without it (during the full moon :) Yes it's easy enough to click "Reply To All" and it's easy enough to "Click Delete". Let's just all make a conscious effort to click "Reply to All" when we believe the answer or information we provide could truly be of building value to others in this great group. That's exactly what Mark and others do. There... Lets put it to bed now and give this a try. Happy Building People Rick Hubka Calgary Alberta Canada rick@hubka.com www.hubka.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:10:22 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: oops Message-ID: <20010221041022.34700.qmail@web9502.mail.yahoo.com> Dear net: I guess I am again at the root of a topic. Please know that I did receive a couple answers off the net (direct) as to whether or not the 2 cowl would fit a 2S. I also called Jeanette and e-mailed Diehl for answers. Anyway, to the point. In my opinion ( and I know opinions are like armpits, we all have them and they all stink) replies should be made "on the net" when it is POSSIBLY" a general interest question/answer. I am currently building my wing spars. If I see a response that concerns building the "boat", I know how to hit the delete button without wasting more than 2 seconds of time. I currently do that with the "seat belt" topic because I have seen and read enough for my needs. I also delete everything that concerns Corvair engines. That does not concern me. I indicated above that I appear again to be the root of a topic. I once said "Answer the question and not the answer." That should be a rule we all follow. Never ever respond to an answer. If you disagree, just state your opinion as YOUR opinion and not the it is better that others or that yours is right and everyone else is wrong. In my opinion, (here we go again) the purpose of this "help aid (net)" should be the free exchange of information without further comment. If I say the seat belt should be attached to the canopy, others should merely state that, based on their experience and insight, seat belts should be attached to....(In my line of work I sometimes find that absurdity is a good tool). Please, when a question is of POSSIBLE general interest, respond via the general net. If it is a private question of little or no interest to the general public (ie something for sale and a response thereto) then respond private. Delete is easy to learn. I want to that all who have guided me this far. Sometimes, I know, my questions are elementary. Sometimes, a little additional info that only you all have is needed, such as the H.S. spar bulkhead question. That response would be of interest to all at or before that stage of construction. I am building because I enjoy it. I do not know if my 2S will ever fly but I am enjoying the experience and I am enjoying (most of the time) this net. I do not enjoy reading people bitching about other people. I get paid well to bitch and be bitched at (I am a lawyer). I do not, and I assume others do not, enjoy reading bitching which involves a hobby. I hope to meet you all someday, with or without my flying 2S. Thank you all for being there when I needed help and thank you all for anticipated future responses. And Mark, refer to me as Tim....no formal Timothy please. Thanks again to all!!!!!!!!!!!! Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:25:09 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Corrosion protection for exhaust pipes Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C09BD7.6C4E0420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, fellow netters. A quick question for the skilled metallurgists. How can I prevent my exhaust pipes from rusting? They are made of mild steel. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C09BD7.6C4E0420-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:40:40 -0800 (PST) To: svidal@icon.co.za From: Timothy Brown Cc: Group KR NET Subject: Re: KR> Corrosion protection for exhaust pipes Message-ID: <20010221054040.28276.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> I am not a metallurgist but I know that there are bar-b-que paints out there by Rustoleum (sp) made to with stand very high heat. Just a thought. Tim --- "Serge F. VIDAL" wrote: > Hi, fellow netters. > > A quick question for the skilled metallurgists. > > How can I prevent my exhaust pipes from rusting? > They are made of mild > steel. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:02:41 -0800 To: From: "Parley Byington" Subject: Shoulder harness attachment Message-ID: <002501c09bcb$fa6d3020$6d6df1d8@parleyanv.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C09B88.D830ACA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Sickafoose wrote: Seems the consensus should be that one would want to be strapped to the part of the plane that he's closest to when it stops moving. A strong argument for not connecting the belts to the tail. I talked to Roger Hanson who had the misfortune of putting his KR on a road in a forced landing and striking a road sign which caused it to cart wheel. He said, when it was all over, all there was left was the center section & they were still strapped to it. I think he was glad his belts weren't connected to his tail! Like you said: it's still up to the builder. John Sickafoose, Naples Fl John I bought Roger's 1835 VW that was originally installed in the aircraft = you mentioned in the above correspondance. Roger was changing out the = VW and installing a Continental 0-200. He had about 150 hours on the = new installation when the accident occurred. He told me that he was on = the way to Oregon when the engine began overheating and he couldn't cool = it down. He decided to make an emergency landing on the highway rather = than risk an in-flight fire. The rest of the story is as you stated. = He did find that the overheating problem was caused by his exhaust = system coming apart inside the engine cowling. He also had his wife = with him at the time. Roger has since built a RV-6 and has several hundred hours on it. I = just talked to him last week. By the way, I attached my shoulder harness to two cables running back to = the verticle spar of the verticle stab. I used two small aluminum angle = pieces to form a clamp around the spar so no holes were drilled in the = spar. The clamp is just above the attachment bracing of the verticle = spar. I have pictures of my attachment setup if any one is interrested, = let me know. Happy flying Parley (N54PB) parley@anv.net Henderson, NV ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C09B88.D830ACA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:56:38 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: exhaust Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010221065638.008b7e70@pop3.norton.antivirus> Netters, Does anyone know of a source for bent mild steel exhaust pieces that can be used to weld up an exhaust for an 0-200 ? ( 30, 45, 60 degree bends that aren't aluminumized) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************