From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 25 Mar 2001 04:18:16 -0000 Issue 197 Date: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:18 PM krnet Digest 25 Mar 2001 04:18:16 -0000 Issue 197 Topics (messages 4771 through 4791): Wheel Fairings 4771 by: B. McCraw Wicks 4772 by: Frank Ross 4775 by: caryh.home.com 4780 by: Edwin Blocher krnet problem? 4773 by: Frank Ross 4776 by: Robert Stone 4778 by: WA7YXF.aol.com 4779 by: Patrick Driscoll TGIF FOR SALE 4774 by: Gaylon Fuller Re: About wheels 4777 by: Robert Stone KR2 fuselage and odd ends for sale 4781 by: Peter Nauta Real Friday Funny 4782 by: John Roffey update-new pictures 4783 by: WA7YXF.aol.com 4786 by: Frank Ross 4787 by: ron Why Stop With Just Tail Dragger Time? 4784 by: Forrest Erickson 4785 by: Frank Ross Looking for AZ builders 4788 by: FIDNET turtle decks/ strobe lights. 4789 by: Joseph H. Horton 4790 by: Joseph H. Horton Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings 4791 by: Mark Langford Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:00:41 -0500 To: From: "B. McCraw" Subject: Wheel Fairings Message-ID: <001d01c0b34d$d3ef4160$9f70e218@nimc1.on.home.com> Hi KRNetters: I'm going to design a set of "Hoerner style" wheel fairings to fit our KRs. I'm collecting lots of pics for ideas but what I really need is some dimensions of the wheel-tire-brake package to get started. I've got a strong composite background (motorsports) and will try to come up with a package that will be light, slick, and sexy. If they work out , I'll offer them for sale at a reasonable price(that KR builders will like). Dimensions, ideas, comments? Send-em on over. Thanks, Bill McCraw ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:50:07 -0800 (PST) To: KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: Wicks Message-ID: <20010323085007.19323.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Virg reminded me that Wicks actually started out as an ORGAN company, not a piano company, as I had wrongly mentioned to Patrick Wright. He doesn't say much, but I have a feeling he's usually right. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:59:51 GMT To: KRNet From: caryh@home.com Subject: Re: KR> Wicks Message-Id: <20010323150359.JVZB29886.femail2.rdc1.on.home.com@Debug> Wicks mad a line of smaller Theatre and Church organs. I once had the pleasure pf playing a 3 manual 19 rank Wicks organ that was installed in the basement of a residence somewhere near Chicago. I really sounded good. Especially ouside on the street. - Cary - > Virg reminded me that Wicks actually started out as an > ORGAN company, not a piano company, as I had wrongly > mentioned to Patrick Wright. He doesn't say much, but > I have a feeling he's usually right. > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:02:40 -0600 To: "KRNet" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Wicks Message-ID: <003801c0b3cb$d6b51ae0$6be579a5@computer> A little trivia. Ron Axelander's, Alexander Aeroplane Co. (now Aircraft Spruce and Specialty East) started the same way. I think the organ company still uses the spruce that is not acceptable as aircraft grade. Ed Blocher Moody, Alabama kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KRNet Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: Re: KR> Wicks > Wicks mad a line of smaller Theatre and Church organs. > I once had the pleasure pf playing a 3 manual 19 rank > Wicks organ that was installed in the basement of a > residence somewhere near Chicago. I really sounded good. > Especially ouside on the street. > > - Cary - > > > Virg reminded me that Wicks actually started out as an > > ORGAN company, not a piano company, as I had wrongly > > mentioned to Patrick Wright. He doesn't say much, but > > I have a feeling he's usually right. > > > > ===== > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. > http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:24:15 -0800 (PST) To: KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: krnet problem? Message-ID: <20010323092415.10167.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> I've had notes off-net from Bob at: RFG842@aol.com and Kip at: KRkip@aol.com that they aren't getting krnet messages. Anyone else heard of problems? Thanks ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:27:16 -0600 To: "Frank Ross" , "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> krnet problem? Message-ID: <000b01c0b3ad$bfc8dce0$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Frank: All seem to be coming in OK here. I get an average of 20 or so per day. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: "KRNet" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:24 AM Subject: KR> krnet problem? > I've had notes off-net from Bob at: RFG842@aol.com > and Kip at: KRkip@aol.com that they aren't getting > krnet messages. Anyone else heard of problems? > Thanks > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:38:44 EST To: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> krnet problem? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/01 1:24:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, kae_ar@yahoo.com writes: > > I've had notes off-net from Bob at: RFG842@aol.com > and Kip at: KRkip@aol.com that they aren't getting > krnet messages. Anyone else heard of problems? > Thanks > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > The KRnet didn't come through to me for several days. I think AOL has been having some problems. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:57:12 -0600 To: "Frank Ross" , "KRNet" , "Robert Stone" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: Re: KR> krnet problem? Message-ID: <412001352316571250@earthlink.net> Thought all mine were coming through but I just opened one with no message in it. > [Original Message] > From: Robert Stone > To: KRNet ; Frank Ross > Date: 3/23/01 9:31:26 AM > Subject: Re: KR> krnet problem? > > Frank: All seem to be coming in OK here. I get an average of 20 or so per > day. > > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Ross" > To: "KRNet" > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:24 AM > Subject: KR> krnet problem? > > > > I've had notes off-net from Bob at: RFG842@aol.com > > and Kip at: KRkip@aol.com that they aren't getting > > krnet messages. Anyone else heard of problems? > > Thanks > > > > > > ===== > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --- Patrick Driscoll --- patrick36@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:37:51 -0700 To: From: "Gaylon Fuller" Subject: TGIF FOR SALE Message-ID: <000b01c0b38d$b25eece0$a6a0a7d8@oemcomputer> Hey Net, I just bought (well traded for) 50% share of a Hanger and now need do some spring cleaning. I have the following items for sale. Thanks to everyone who has bought stuff already. 1. 1 set of KR 2 rudder pedals 2. 2 slick Mag harnesses 3. 1 slick 4001 RH with impulse coupler 4. Set of 4 aircraft plugs in sealed plastic (never opened) 5. 1 full set of RR brand new Wing Attach Fittings 6. 1 full set of RR retracts (undrilled) with wheels, tires, and brakes (Azusa) 7. 1 full RR tail wheel 8. Mag drive pulleys and belt (per plans) 9. Original per plans engine mount with mag plate 10. 1 set of BF wheels and hyd brakes from an Ercoupe 11. 1 set of RR wing tips Remember this is for our Young Eagles project and all proceeds go back in to the KR1, donations are also accepted. I am very interested in trades. We need the following (cause I'll have to make what we don't get :o} ) KR 1 cowl, engine mount, engine accessories, gasolater, spinner, engine and flight instruments, some tools or any thing related to building and flying a KR1 will be considered. Thanks Gaylon Fuller (AKA the Horse Trader) President EAA 833 Carlsbad NM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:30:43 -0600 To: "George Allen" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Re: About wheels Message-ID: <001401c0b3ae$3aa5ce00$ebd8fea9@pavilion> George is 100% correct on this. Use at least 4 ply or better yet 6 ply aircraft tires. They are going to cost more but it will be money well spent. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Texas rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 6:30 PM Subject: KR> Re: About wheels Johan, Those two ply tires you want to use are only for low speed use. I'd hate to hear of your plane blowing a tire on it's first landing or take off. Disaster city.!!! Please don't use them. Cheap shoes are never worth it. George Allen GeorgeA@PaOnline.com Harrisburg, PA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:31:58 +0100 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: KR2 fuselage and odd ends for sale Message-ID: Hi, since it's friday, I'll forward this ad in our magazine. I have no role in this, I will go over and get more info if somebody's interested: QUOTE: For Sale: KR-2 fuselage 45% complete with RR manual and drawings, all paperwork for registration and inspections, journal kept until construction stopped. Evaluation report and report of all changes. All materials have certificate of origin. All this at 50% of cost. There's more: Cowling, wingtips, wheelfairings, ROS MAN wheels, tyres and tubes 500X5 and 400X5 (good brand). Control cables. hinges for horiz, vert, aileron. Alu fueltank. Glass cloth. Instruments. Brown stained canopy. aircraft quality triplex and spruce (all with proof of origin). Wim Anker Dorus Rijkersstraat 26 2811 XR Reeuwijk Tel +31 (0)182 393232 END OF QUOTE This plane is in the Netherlands. I had his e-mail address somewhere. I can go over there to take pics if someone's interested, and if I can agree with him on that. Let me know, you may get a deal here, who knows. Groeten, / Regards, Peter Nauta p.nauta@wanadoo.nl (until june 2001) pnauta@xs4all.nl (from june 2001 onwards) +31(0)6 51411018 Fax: +31(0)20 8663552 Fax and voicemail: +1(413)235-8017 http://www.fs2000.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:03:53 -0600 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: John Roffey Subject: Real Friday Funny Message-ID: <3ABC2AB8.F5E82622@tir.com> I had a vanity plate made for my new Ford pickup that would express my devotion to my project. It reads "FLYKR2S". Now this statement makes sense to all of us KR types, but why would my wife in all her three degree wisdom ask, " what's flicker twos mean?". Go figure. John Roffey It's Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:18:29 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: update-new pictures Message-ID: Mark Langford has updated my pictures on the KR construction site. My prop is 30 days overdue from Props inc. They say the good prop shops can't keep up..............I have only the cowling left to build so looks like I'll have her flying THIS summer for sure. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:01:21 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> update-new pictures Message-ID: <20010324230121.15375.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Langford has updated my pictures ...looks like I'll have her flying THIS summer for sure. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon Lynn, You have one of the most unique KRs ever. It really has the spirit of the 30s racers. Cant wait to see it with the cowling on. Good photography too. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:18:07 -0800 To: From: "ron " Subject: Re: KR> update-new pictures Message-Id: <200103241518.AA1376502@jrl-engineering.com> Test Test ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:23:08 -0500 From: Forrest Erickson CC: KR-Net Subject: Why Stop With Just Tail Dragger Time? Message-ID: <3ABCADCC.BDEC4045@ntown.net> --------------76D8C3C22A234DA8836D135C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FD48E8EB2B3B17CB51083ECF" --------------FD48E8EB2B3B17CB51083ECF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could not help think of past discussions of the importance of getting tail dragger time before attempting to fly a tail dragger KR2. As I fly a Champ I can appreciate how difficult it would be to learn to fly a tail dragger at the same time you learn to fly a KR2. And, as I fly a Champ, I am therefor interested in charming older aircraft (I have flown or been flown in a J-3 Cub, Stamp (similar to Tiger Moth), B17 and B24. So when I was shown this by a friend at work, I decide to put it on my list of aviation to dos. Check this out. http://www.dayton.com/wrightb/ I am not sure if flying this would help one to transition to a KR2 but... Lee --------------FD48E8EB2B3B17CB51083ECF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could not help think of past discussions of the importance of getting tail dragger time before attempting to fly a tail dragger KR2.
As I fly a Champ I can appreciate how difficult it would be to learn to fly a tail dragger at the same time you learn to fly a KR2.
And, as I fly a Champ, I am therefor  interested in charming older aircraft (I have flown or been flown in a J-3 Cub, Stamp (similar to Tiger Moth), B17 and B24.
So when I was shown this by a friend at work, I decide to put it on my list of aviation to dos.

Check this out.
http://www.dayton.com/wrightb/

I am not sure if flying this would help one to transition to a KR2 but...
 

Lee
 
  --------------FD48E8EB2B3B17CB51083ECF-- --------------76D8C3C22A234DA8836D135C-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:55:56 -0800 (PST) To: KR-Net From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Why Stop With Just Tail Dragger Time? Message-ID: <20010324225556.20309.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> --- Forrest Erickson wrote: ... > Check this out. > http://www.dayton.com/wrightb/ > I am not sure if flying this would help one to > transition to a KR2 but... > Lee Lee, Great site. Thanks for sharing that with us. No matter what we fly, we all love the old-timers, I think. Thanks again ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:06:02 -0600 To: From: "FIDNET" Subject: Looking for AZ builders Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0B49D.D9C056A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am going to be attending a 2 week school in Sierra Vista during the middle 2 weeks of April. Looking for builders there who would like to share an hour or two. I would love to visit and see what you are doing or have done. Willing to drive a 100-150 miles on the weekend to get some ideas. Let me know how to reach you. Thanks Darryl DuRossette N21KC@MO1 Ft. Lost in the Woods, Ozarks ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0B49D.D9C056A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:45:27 -0500 To: krnet-digest-help@mailinglists.org From: "Joseph H. Horton" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: turtle decks/ strobe lights. Message-ID: <20010324.205911.-270227.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Dave; I also have Rands top deck package. I'm very pleased with the quality of the parts. Just this morning I finished cutting the canopy frame to size and have all three peices setting in place with the turtle deck ready to attach. I guess I had just figured that there was some error in the molding of the parts and never questioned it after that ( although I did remeasure my boat several times will I was fitting the deck) I had made a mistake when I installed my vertical spar that increased the boat length by 1 5/8 inches in the last bay. This proably helped me as I'm only off the instruction dimentions by 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch with each peice. Anyone that is still building the boat and thinking of using Rands top decks could increase their width by 2 to 2 1/2 inches . I'm 1 1/4 wider at the top at R & R's advice and after getting the parts I could have easily been another 1 inch wider yet. The turtle deck has to be squeezed togther to fit. While I'm at it here has anyone in the group ever thought of using the strobe lights from a building fire alarm system for their wing tips. I salvaged a couple that are simplex brand. they are 12 volt self contained and very light. I hooked one up to a battery charger and let flash in the shop for 2 weeks steady without failure. But it is only single flash and I think it only flashed every 11 seconds. I had also thought about the flashers in the disposable cameras?? I was also wondering if any one had thoughts on the self contained instrument packs that are used for hang gliding and ultralites. I have one from my hang gliding days that has a altimeter,brometer,vario,stop watch,air temp, and adjustable settings. I've flown with it along in the spam can and in a sail plane and didn't see any error although it did react faster. All this in a 5x7 x1 1/2 inch package that weighs just over a pound. There are alot of differnt brands out there from $500. to $1500. Sure would save on panel space. Happy building, Joe Horton -- joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:15:28 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Fw: turtle decks/ strobe lights. Message-ID: <20010324.211529.-270227.2.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joseph H. Horton To: krnet-digest-help@mailinglists.org Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:45:27 -0500 Subject: turtle decks/ strobe lights. Message-ID: <20010324.205911.-270227.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Dave; I also have Rands top deck package. I'm very pleased with the quality of the parts. Just this morning I finished cutting the canopy frame to size and have all three peices setting in place with the turtle deck ready to attach. I guess I had just figured that there was some error in the molding of the parts and never questioned it after that ( although I did remeasure my boat several times will I was fitting the deck) I had made a mistake when I installed my vertical spar that increased the boat length by 1 5/8 inches in the last bay. This proably helped me as I'm only off the instruction dimentions by 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch with each peice. Anyone that is still building the boat and thinking of using Rands top decks could increase their width by 2 to 2 1/2 inches . I'm 1 1/4 wider at the top at R & R's advice and after getting the parts I could have easily been another 1 inch wider yet. The turtle deck has to be squeezed togther to fit. While I'm at it here has anyone in the group ever thought of using the strobe lights from a building fire alarm system for their wing tips. I salvaged a couple that are simplex brand. they are 12 volt self contained and very light. I hooked one up to a battery charger and let flash in the shop for 2 weeks steady without failure. But it is only single flash and I think it only flashed every 11 seconds. I had also thought about the flashers in the disposable cameras?? I was also wondering if any one had thoughts on the self contained instrument packs that are used for hang gliding and ultralites. I have one from my hang gliding days that has a altimeter,brometer,vario,stop watch,air temp, and adjustable settings. I've flown with it along in the spam can and in a sail plane and didn't see any error although it did react faster. All this in a 5x7 x1 1/2 inch package that weighs just over a pound. There are alot of differnt brands out there from $500. to $1500. Sure would save on panel space. Happy building, Joe Horton -- joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:18:19 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings Message-ID: <034501c0b4e2$9face290$561cf618@600athlon> Zipper Goodman wrote: > 50 pounds is a great deal of weight! Where and how would you shave it? Any > specific places you can see that could take a big diet and would be easy for > the average Joe to do? Most of that weight I'm referring were stupid things that I did while building mine. For example, I was originally going to use the NLF(1)0015, so my spars were not as tall, so to get the same strength I made my spar caps 5/16" thicker. Then when the new airfoil came along, it was back to stock height, so I had to add another quarter inch back to both top and bottom to get back to the original depth. I figure this cost me about 8 pounds altogether. On the plus side, I now have 48g spars, not that the rest of the plane (or me) could stand that. Then I had epoxied the wing templates for the NLF to inner and outer edges of the stub wings, and they had become part of the wing tanks, so I couldn't cut those out to replace them with with the new airfoil templates, so I made some more (with lightening holes) and added them on to the others. More weight. My aft deck has too much foam in it, up to 2" in the front edge. The first one I built out of 1/4" Last-o-foam was super stiff and only weighed 5.5 pounds. I should have perfected that method (vacuum bagging) and done the next one that way, but it was a lot easier to just hog out a huge block of foam and glass both sides. This is where I got the idea to do wing skins the way I did them though. The final aft deck weighs about 11 pounds, and it could easily have been 5 if done correctly. The canopy frame used lots of glass to stiffen it. I should have used carbon fiber exclusively for the whole frame and it would have been a lot lighter. If I had planned my aileron cable routing better, I'd have simply run an aluminum conduit through the wing tanks, rather than partioning off a wedge shaped area for "future expansion". That would've saved 2 or 3 pounds, and given me 3 or 4 more gallons of fuel capacity. The Cleveland brakes are pretty heavy, so I'd be tempted to use the GPASC or Tracy Obrien's wheels and brakes. I'd also have used the 18/15% airfoil to lighten up the spars and increase fuel tank volume, but I'd have had to add 2" to my spar caps to use it! And if I'd used carbon fiber on all of my tail control surfaces, I'd have less glass and flox on the trailing edges, requiring less counterbalance weight, and I'd have saved that weight TWICE! In the "other than weight" area that I'd do differently, I'd use bent up center spars so the flaps could start at the wing root and extend out onto the outer wing, use the stock extruded piano hinge for both flap and aileron hinges, spring bar gear fastened to the spar under the fuselage sides (like Grove Aircraft sells) but 6" taller than the Diehl gear, elevator balances like Richard Mole designed (the ones on Dana's tail) to improve stability and balance the elevator at the same time, make the fuselage a bay longer and the tail only 76" wide, and a gullwing canopy like Troy/Bobby's (but made from a Dragonfly canopy). And I'd widen the fuselage 6" rather than 4" like I did. I'd also put a 2 or 3 gallon header tank in the front deck that stayed full, kinda like Don Reids's. I may still do that one. And I'd definitely use Dr. Dean's rod bearing tail hinges. After writing this, I decided not to send it, because it's liable to start another flame war, and I'll be answering questions for the next week. But I've had a pretty sizable glass of wine since then, so what the heck. Maybe it'll give a few adventurous souls something to think about. If nothing else, it'll get the purist-naysayer camp fired up again, which is always good for some cheap entertainment. Isn't denial a wonderful thing... Mark Langford, stickin' 4130 together in hopes of an engine mount see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************