From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 2 Apr 2001 14:32:06 -0000 Issue 201 Date: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:32 AM krnet Digest 2 Apr 2001 14:32:06 -0000 Issue 201 Topics (messages 4863 through 4885): Re: N998MG update 4863 by: Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff 4864 by: gleone 4865 by: Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff Re: spruce 4866 by: Rick Hubka 4869 by: Brian Vasseur Type 4 4867 by: Mark Langford 4879 by: Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff Wider, faster, shinier... 4868 by: CS 4870 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 4872 by: Robert Cooper KR net 4871 by: CS Electrical circuit protection 4873 by: Serge F. VIDAL electric trim tab automation 4874 by: Rilliam _ 4875 by: John Bryhan Dropped? 4876 by: Didactics1.aol.com 4877 by: Ray Brock 4878 by: Edwin Blocher 4881 by: Mark Langford slightly modified KR2S for sale 4880 by: Mark Langford 4883 by: Frank Ross 4884 by: Jim Sellars KR fly-in. In canton tx. 4882 by: bobby whisenant Re: CorvAIRCRAFT e-mail list 4885 by: Mark Langford Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:28:27 -0800 To: "Mike Garbez" , "KR-POST" From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update Message-ID: <007901c0ba08$00b8f540$e0fc173f@cmidkiff> Mike, Thanks for the informative answers, I really appreciate it. I have my Type-4 crankcase, rods & crank in the machine shop right now and they let me know that all three need some machining. The crank needs turned the rods need R & R'd and the case needs line bored. I have the Rand Robinson top deck and wing skins on the way from Florida, which I just purchased from the latest KR Newsletter. I had the standard KR-2 forward deck and turtle deck but being how my KR-2 is extended I decided to get the 2S deck & wing skins. I would like to hear from anyone who has experience with Rands wing skins. These aren't coming with sandwich ribs like Dan's I'm told, so I'm wondering if Dan's ribs would work on Jeanette's wings. Anyway Mike I bet you are anxious to get back in the air and check out your new performance. We will all be anxiously awaiting your flight reports. C. Bud Midkiff email: cmidkiff@gte.net Lynnwood, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Garbez" To: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" ; "KR-POST" Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update > Charles, > > I have not done my weight and balance yet, but the balance should be very > close to what I had with the 1835, I had to space the 1835 2 1/2 forward to > get it right before and now the engine weight is close to the firewall and > I' moving the battery to the tail (it weighs 17 lbs.) so I will use the > battery to adjust the weight and balance. I'm picking up the scales from my > local EAA chapter Saturday and will let you know how that turns out. I > added 5" to the stock RR cowling, it is 31.5" now. The nose gear, I removed > the 2 arms on the bracket and after making the mount on a kr2 firewall > template I bolted the nose gear bracket to the firewall and ran 2 new arms > about mid-way to the mount on the bottom and welded them in place. That > gave me a very strong mount. The prop for the 1835 goes the wrong way. I > had ordered the new prop before engine assembly started and it was here when > I was ready for it. > > Mike Garbez N998MG > msgtlg@netins.net > Griswold IA > > -----Original Message----- > > > >Mike, > >I checked out the pictures and you did a beautiful job on that engine > >installation and it will be a show winner. As this is the way I have > >chosen to go maybe you could give me an idea of how this installation > >effected your weight and balance, how much did you have to add to the > >cowling to get it to fit and how your nose gear attaches to the new engine > >mount ? Could you have used your old prop for initial testing ? > >Congratulations! > >Bud Midkiff > >Lynnwood, WA > >email: cmidkiff@gte.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:32:35 -0700 To: Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff From: gleone CC: Mike Garbez , KR-POST Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update Message-ID: <3AC614B3.FEE977DF@tritel.net> Since you are going to use this as an aircraft engine, keep in mind the following. The crank shaft is nitrite hardened. It is only some .040 deep. By turning the crank, you are getting a lot thinner hardening. You would be farther ahead to buy a new crank for it. The line boring is fine, but I would think about the turning the crank. Spend the extra money and buy a new one. That's my opinion, anyway, for what it's worth. Gene Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff wrote: > Mike, > Thanks for the informative answers, I really appreciate it. I have my Type-4 > crankcase, rods & crank in the machine shop right now and they let me know > that all three need some machining. The crank needs turned the rods need R & > R'd and the case needs line bored. I have the Rand Robinson top deck and > wing skins on the way from Florida, which I just purchased from the latest > KR Newsletter. I had the standard KR-2 forward deck and turtle deck but > being how my KR-2 is extended I decided to get the 2S deck & wing skins. I > would like to hear from anyone who has experience with Rands wing skins. > These aren't coming with sandwich ribs like Dan's I'm told, so I'm wondering > if Dan's ribs would work on Jeanette's wings. Anyway Mike I bet you are > anxious to get back in the air and check out your new performance. We will > all be anxiously awaiting your flight reports. > > C. Bud Midkiff > email: cmidkiff@gte.net > Lynnwood, WA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Garbez" > To: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" ; "KR-POST" > > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update > > > Charles, > > > > I have not done my weight and balance yet, but the balance should be very > > close to what I had with the 1835, I had to space the 1835 2 1/2 forward > to > > get it right before and now the engine weight is close to the firewall and > > I' moving the battery to the tail (it weighs 17 lbs.) so I will use the > > battery to adjust the weight and balance. I'm picking up the scales from > my > > local EAA chapter Saturday and will let you know how that turns out. I > > added 5" to the stock RR cowling, it is 31.5" now. The nose gear, I > removed > > the 2 arms on the bracket and after making the mount on a kr2 firewall > > template I bolted the nose gear bracket to the firewall and ran 2 new arms > > about mid-way to the mount on the bottom and welded them in place. That > > gave me a very strong mount. The prop for the 1835 goes the wrong way. I > > had ordered the new prop before engine assembly started and it was here > when > > I was ready for it. > > > > Mike Garbez N998MG > > msgtlg@netins.net > > Griswold IA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >Mike, > > >I checked out the pictures and you did a beautiful job on that engine > > >installation and it will be a show winner. As this is the way I have > > >chosen to go maybe you could give me an idea of how this installation > > >effected your weight and balance, how much did you have to add to the > > >cowling to get it to fit and how your nose gear attaches to the new > engine > > >mount ? Could you have used your old prop for initial testing ? > > >Congratulations! > > >Bud Midkiff > > >Lynnwood, WA > > >email: cmidkiff@gte.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:50:44 -0800 To: "gleone" From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Cc: "Mike Garbez" , "KR-POST" Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update Message-ID: <009f01c0ba0b$1daa98e0$e0fc173f@cmidkiff> Gene, Thanks for the advice ! I called Steve Bennett as I was concerned also and he said it was pretty common to have to line bore. I believe with this crank I'm limited to 2400cc but through RimCo Steve said I could get a crank to take it to 2600. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Cc: "Mike Garbez" ; "KR-POST" Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update > Since you are going to use this as an aircraft engine, keep in mind the > following. The crank shaft is nitrite hardened. It is only some .040 deep. By > turning the crank, you are getting a lot thinner hardening. You would be > farther ahead to buy a new crank for it. The line boring is fine, but I would > think about the turning the crank. Spend the extra money and buy a new one. > That's my opinion, anyway, for what it's worth. Gene > > Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff wrote: > > > Mike, > > Thanks for the informative answers, I really appreciate it. I have my Type-4 > > crankcase, rods & crank in the machine shop right now and they let me know > > that all three need some machining. The crank needs turned the rods need R & > > R'd and the case needs line bored. I have the Rand Robinson top deck and > > wing skins on the way from Florida, which I just purchased from the latest > > KR Newsletter. I had the standard KR-2 forward deck and turtle deck but > > being how my KR-2 is extended I decided to get the 2S deck & wing skins. I > > would like to hear from anyone who has experience with Rands wing skins. > > These aren't coming with sandwich ribs like Dan's I'm told, so I'm wondering > > if Dan's ribs would work on Jeanette's wings. Anyway Mike I bet you are > > anxious to get back in the air and check out your new performance. We will > > all be anxiously awaiting your flight reports. > > > > C. Bud Midkiff > > email: cmidkiff@gte.net > > Lynnwood, WA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Garbez" > > To: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" ; "KR-POST" > > > > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:14 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > I have not done my weight and balance yet, but the balance should be very > > > close to what I had with the 1835, I had to space the 1835 2 1/2 forward > > to > > > get it right before and now the engine weight is close to the firewall and > > > I' moving the battery to the tail (it weighs 17 lbs.) so I will use the > > > battery to adjust the weight and balance. I'm picking up the scales from > > my > > > local EAA chapter Saturday and will let you know how that turns out. I > > > added 5" to the stock RR cowling, it is 31.5" now. The nose gear, I > > removed > > > the 2 arms on the bracket and after making the mount on a kr2 firewall > > > template I bolted the nose gear bracket to the firewall and ran 2 new arms > > > about mid-way to the mount on the bottom and welded them in place. That > > > gave me a very strong mount. The prop for the 1835 goes the wrong way. I > > > had ordered the new prop before engine assembly started and it was here > > when > > > I was ready for it. > > > > > > Mike Garbez N998MG > > > msgtlg@netins.net > > > Griswold IA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > >Mike, > > > >I checked out the pictures and you did a beautiful job on that engine > > > >installation and it will be a show winner. As this is the way I have > > > >chosen to go maybe you could give me an idea of how this installation > > > >effected your weight and balance, how much did you have to add to the > > > >cowling to get it to fit and how your nose gear attaches to the new > > engine > > > >mount ? Could you have used your old prop for initial testing ? > > > >Congratulations! > > > >Bud Midkiff > > > >Lynnwood, WA > > > >email: cmidkiff@gte.net > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:57:37 -0700 To: "David Mullins" , "lone wolf" From: "Rick Hubka" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> spruce Message-ID: <004b01c0ba0c$12ed7660$a280be95@cg.shawcable.net> Yes... Jean Peters is planning to retire from the spuce business around June. However he "is" selling the business. So you can bet that Western Aircraft Supplies will live on and supply wood for many KR's, Pietenpol's, Falco's and hundred of other Sitka Spruce based Kits Jean has supplied wood for over than last 1000 years :) Jean does not frequent the net email scene but Adrian Carter a KR pioneer cartera@cuug.ab.ca on this list can provide more details cause I know he drops into to Jean's shop at least weekly to smell Sitlka Spruce and drink coffee. Rick Hubka rick@hubka.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mullins" To: "lone wolf" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 7:00 AM Subject: Re: KR> spruce > Rob, > > Please check out Jean Peters at Western Aircraft Supplies, > 623 Markersville Road N.E., Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2E 5X1 > Business phone: 250-1955 Residence: 276-3087 > > His Sitka Spruce has great quality and a good price. My spruce > kit ran about $900, but, that was with a lot of size and quantity > changes. It was shipped by Northwest Airline Cargo from Calgary > to Boston for $85. The spruce was in two sonotubes. I know Jean > is planning to retire very soon so don't wait too long. > > Dave Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > http://n323xl.iwarp.com > > > > lone wolf wrote: > > > > hi > > my name is rob and ive had my plans for > > over a year now and it looks like ill be > > starting to build my kr2s. im looking for > > wood suppliers and will look at suggestions > > for stitka substitutes. i live in western > > ny and any input would be appreciated. > > ty rob :o) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:40:33 -0700 To: "David Mullins" , "lone wolf" From: "Brian Vasseur" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> spruce Message-ID: <001701c0ba22$d5c3b080$2c45e4cf@C5477> Jean Peters is closing down in a few months. He's not ordering any wood so when his supply is gone that's it. He's sold his business to a person in BC, however I don't have a contact for him. From what I saw last week I bet he's close to having orders for what's remaining. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mullins" To: "lone wolf" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 7:00 AM Subject: Re: KR> spruce > Rob, > > Please check out Jean Peters at Western Aircraft Supplies, > 623 Markersville Road N.E., Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2E 5X1 > Business phone: 250-1955 Residence: 276-3087 > > His Sitka Spruce has great quality and a good price. My spruce > kit ran about $900, but, that was with a lot of size and quantity > changes. It was shipped by Northwest Airline Cargo from Calgary > to Boston for $85. The spruce was in two sonotubes. I know Jean > is planning to retire very soon so don't wait too long. > > Dave Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > http://n323xl.iwarp.com > > > > lone wolf wrote: > > > > hi > > my name is rob and ive had my plans for > > over a year now and it looks like ill be > > starting to build my kr2s. im looking for > > wood suppliers and will look at suggestions > > for stitka substitutes. i live in western > > ny and any input would be appreciated. > > ty rob :o) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:12:54 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Type 4 Message-ID: <001d01c0ba0e$35712590$561cf618@600athlon> > Thanks for the advice ! I called Steve Bennett as I was concerned also and > he said it was pretty common to have to line bore. I believe with this crank > I'm limited to 2400cc but through RimCo Steve said I could get a crank to > take it to 2600. There's a pretty good bit of Type 4 info at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kvw.html . I might be talked into selling that engine, if you want a headstart... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:13:19 -0700 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> Type 4 Message-ID: <001401c0bb12$1bd197a0$063e1a3f@cmidkiff> Mark, I read your info on the type 4 on your web site...Thank you, It is very informative, and your engine looks great. I'll keep it in mind if what I have doesn't work out. > > There's a pretty good bit of Type 4 info at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kvw.html . I might be talked into selling > that engine, if you want a headstart... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:12:56 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Wider, faster, shinier... Message-ID: <20010331191256.4491.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Netheads... Got three questions... #1...I have bought a KR 2 project which is in boat stage, which means the fuse is already completed. I would like to widen the fuse by 3 inches, which means I have to cut out the existing crosspieces. I assume I will have to cut out all existing seat crosspieces, plus crosspieces behind the seat, and probably the panel and possibly the firewall. Okay, assuming I'm willing to do the above, my question is...If I try to widen the fuse by 3" am I going to put some weird torsional stresses on the bottom of the fuse assembly? I think I can figure out a way to spread the top side by 3", but if I'm gonna screw up the entire fuse by doing so then it becomes not worth it. #2...I have bought a HAPI engine for this plane, the reason I bought it was because I got a helluva deal on it. The problem is that the HAPI only puts out 60 HP, which is pretty anemic for someone who has a need for speed, such as myself. I've gone to the Great Plains website, and found that for $1300.00 I can get to 70 hp. Does anyone know a better "bang for the buck" solution than the Great Plains deal? $1300.00 for ten horses doesn't seem like much of a deal. #3...I posted earlier that I wanted to paint my plane black, and found out from many folks that black doesn't work on a composite plane. Okay, so my next choice is that I want to paint my plane that "shiny silver" color that the P-51 Mustangs used, along with the "invasion stripes". Does anyone know why there would be issues with painting a plane silver? Thanks. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:31:49 -0800 To: "CS" , From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Re: KR> Wider, faster, shinier... Message-ID: <000901c0ba2a$0cfd6620$8d44a6d1@oemcomputer> > #1...I have bought a KR 2 project which is in boat > stage, which means the fuse is already completed. I > would like to widen the fuse by 3 inches, which means > I have to cut out the existing crosspieces. I assume > I will have to cut out all existing seat crosspieces, > plus crosspieces behind the seat, and probably the > panel and possibly the firewall. > > Okay, assuming I'm willing to do the above, my > question is...If I try to widen the fuse by 3" am I > going to put some weird torsional stresses on the > bottom of the fuse assembly? I think I can figure out > a way to spread the top side by 3", but if I'm gonna > screw up the entire fuse by doing so then it becomes > not worth it. Chuck, I am not an engineer, but I would not recommend trying to widen your boat by three inches. Looking at my logbook for building, it took me 133 hours to build my boat, from first cut to having it skinned and the firewall cut and ready for stainless steel. One would certainly have to look at the extra stress joints would take as a result of being reworked, and the higher possibility of having less than ideal epoxy joints. One or two might be fine, but the whole fuselage? This goes back to the idea of starting over may make more sense/take less time. In the big scheme of things, it is my opinion that you would be better off a) building a new boat yourself, salvaging the parts you can off the old boat, or b) leaving the boat the size it is and continuing where it was left off. I personally built by boat (KR-2S) to specs, with the exception of continuing the max width to just prior to station "India". This reduces the drag created as the fuselage begins to come together over the wing and gives more shoulder room. My wife and I can sit the cockpit fine (we are probably medium in the size category) and would be fine for one or two hours. If you want to cross country with someone else, this is likely not the best plane to do it in... unless your passenger is a child or very small. Good building! Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:51:42 -0800 To: "CS" , "krnet" From: "Robert Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> Wider, faster, shinier... Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0BA2C.C6189100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chuck I also bought a KR-2 in the boat stage. After inspecting the boat,I found= that the sheer web behind the seat allowed for no recline. I removed the= web and all but the very aft cross brace and replaced them. I was able t= o widen the fuselage only 1 inch without forcing too much. I was also con= cerned about placing undue stress on the fuselage so I didn't force it be= yond this. You can see it on my website. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ----- Original Message ----- From: CS Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 11:14 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Wider, faster, shinier... Hi Netheads... Got three questions... #1...I have bought a KR 2 project which is in boat stage, which means the fuse is already completed. I would like to widen the fuse by 3 inches, which means I have to cut out the existing crosspieces. I assume I will have to cut out all existing seat crosspieces, plus crosspieces behind the seat, and probably the panel and possibly the firewall. Okay, assuming I'm willing to do the above, my question is...If I try to widen the fuse by 3" am I going to put some weird torsional stresses on the bottom of the fuse assembly? I think I can figure out a way to spread the top side by 3", but if I'm gonna screw up the entire fuse by doing so then it becomes not worth it. #2...I have bought a HAPI engine for this plane, the reason I bought it was because I got a helluva deal on it. The problem is that the HAPI only puts out 60 HP, which is pretty anemic for someone who has a need for speed, such as myself. I've gone to the Great Plains website, and found that for $1300.00 I can get to 70 hp. Does anyone know a better "bang for the buck" solution than the Great Plains deal? $1300.00 for ten horses doesn't seem like much of a deal. #3...I posted earlier that I wanted to paint my plane black, and found out from many folks that black doesn't work on a composite plane. Okay, so my next choice is that I want to paint my plane that "shiny silver" color that the P-51 Mustangs used, along with the "invasion stripes". Does anyone know why there would be issues with painting a plane silver? Thanks. 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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0BA2C.C6189100-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:25:39 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: KR net Message-ID: <20010331222539.75804.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> As usual, I had a question and I got an answer... I had a question about re-designing my fuselage...I put my question on the KRNet and within a couple of hours I had answers that came from people that knew what they were talking about. My point is, that this KRNet is a resource that you ignore at your own peril. If you are actually building a KR, then this is probably the best place you can hang out. Chuck --- Dave and Tina Goodman wrote: > > #1...I have bought a KR 2 project which is in boat > > stage, which means the fuse is already completed. > I > > would like to widen the fuse by 3 inches, which > means > > I have to cut out the existing crosspieces. I > assume > > I will have to cut out all existing seat > crosspieces, > > plus crosspieces behind the seat, and probably the > > panel and possibly the firewall. > > > > Okay, assuming I'm willing to do the above, my > > question is...If I try to widen the fuse by 3" am > I > > going to put some weird torsional stresses on the > > bottom of the fuse assembly? I think I can figure > out > > a way to spread the top side by 3", but if I'm > gonna > > screw up the entire fuse by doing so then it > becomes > > not worth it. > > Chuck, > > I am not an engineer, but I would not recommend > trying to widen your boat by > three inches. Looking at my logbook for building, > it took me 133 hours to > build my boat, from first cut to having it skinned > and the firewall cut and > ready for stainless steel. > > One would certainly have to look at the extra stress > joints would take as a > result of being reworked, and the higher possibility > of having less than > ideal epoxy joints. One or two might be fine, but > the whole fuselage? This > goes back to the idea of starting over may make more > sense/take less time. > > In the big scheme of things, it is my opinion that > you would be better off > a) building a new boat yourself, salvaging the parts > you can off the old > boat, or b) leaving the boat the size it is and > continuing where it was left > off. > > I personally built by boat (KR-2S) to specs, with > the exception of > continuing the max width to just prior to station > "India". This reduces the > drag created as the fuselage begins to come together > over the wing and gives > more shoulder room. My wife and I can sit the > cockpit fine (we are probably > medium in the size category) and would be fine for > one or two hours. If you > want to cross country with someone else, this is > likely not the best plane > to do it in... unless your passenger is a child or > very small. > > Good building! > Respectfully, > Dave "Zipper" Goodman > zipperts@whidbey.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:00:02 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Electrical circuit protection Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0BAB4.0BF29220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Netters, and greetings from South Africa! I am busy re-doing the electrical system of my KR2. The plane has a 2 liter Volkswagen engine with dual electronic ignition. It features a very small battery (7.2 amp/h) and a car alternator. Would anybody have an opinion on the followings: * * Should I protect the alternator with a circuit breaker? If yes, what rating? How do I wire it? * * Same question for the battery Serge VIDAL Johannesburg ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0BAB4.0BF29220-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:02:45 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Rilliam _" Subject: electric trim tab automation Message-Id: <200104011602.JAA12913@mail24.bigmailbox.com> I am unsatisfied with my implementation of the nyrod control mechanism for the trim tab as detailed in the plans. I am interested in using an electronic solution. Any input would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:04:09 -0700 To: Rilliam _ , krnet@mailinglists.org From: John Bryhan Subject: Re: KR> electric trim tab automation If you're looking to design a system, some folks have had success with servos from RC airplanes, If you're thinking of buying - hard to beat MAC servo trim system. >I am unsatisfied with my implementation of the nyrod control mechanism for the trim tab as detailed in the plans. I am interested in using an electronic solution. Any input would be appreciated. John Bryhan Los Alamos NM mailto:krjeb@qwest.net http://www.users.qwest.net/~bje25/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:27:46 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Didactics1@aol.com Subject: Dropped? Message-ID: <27.133be3fb.27f8e942@aol.com> Haven't gotten any traffic recently.... Have I been dropped? If so, would like to get plugged back, now that I've finally ordered my KR-2S plans from RR. Steve Robinson, also at Robinson@Didactics.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:02:23 -0500 To: , From: "Ray Brock" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Dropped? Message-ID: <000001c0bb08$3229b320$cb34fea9@cx603929-a.omhan1.ne.home.com> There seems to be problems with the krnet mailing list, 'ezmlm' is unsubscribing members for 'bounced mail'. I am also waiting for my "S" plans and looking for a wood supplier Ray Brock -----Original Message----- From: Didactics1@aol.com [mailto:Didactics1@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 03:28 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Dropped? Haven't gotten any traffic recently.... Have I been dropped? If so, would like to get plugged back, now that I've finally ordered my KR-2S plans from RR. Steve Robinson, also at Robinson@Didactics.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:54:04 -0500 To: , , From: "Edwin Blocher" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Dropped? Message-ID: <000d01c0bb0f$6c6473c0$90e879a5@computer> Ray and Rob and others looking for a wood supplier. I highly reccomend Wicks for their quality and service. I have never waited more than a week for my order to be cut and delivered even though they told me it would take two weeks. As for Epoxy and other stock items Aircraft Spruce and Specialty gives good service especially if you are on the far left or far right side of the US. Both supplied a lot of supplies for the woodworking forum at last years gathering. Toll free numbers for them if you would like a catalog are, AS&S (877)447-7823, Wicks (800)221-9425. Happy gussets, Ed Ed Blocher Moody, Alabama (soon to be Santa Rosa Beach, Florida) kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Brock To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: RE: KR> Dropped? > There seems to be problems with the krnet mailing list, 'ezmlm' is > unsubscribing members for 'bounced mail'. > I am also waiting for my "S" plans and looking for a wood supplier > Ray Brock > > -----Original Message----- > From: Didactics1@aol.com [mailto:Didactics1@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 03:28 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Dropped? > > Haven't gotten any traffic recently.... Have I been dropped? If so, would > like to get plugged back, now that I've finally ordered my KR-2S plans from > RR. > > Steve Robinson, > also at Robinson@Didactics.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:56:21 -0500 To: , From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Dropped? Message-ID: <002001c0bb28$e19295a0$561cf618@600athlon> Ray Brock wrote: > There seems to be problems with the krnet mailing list, 'ezmlm' is > unsubscribing members for 'bounced mail'. I don't really think that's it, or these guys would be completely cut off, rather than getting 1 out of 10 emails. And when I got check on them, they are still there on the list, just not getting mail but every once in a while. It seems to mostly happen to AOL people, if not exclusively to AOL people. To my knowledge, I've never missed a single post. If you suspect you're missing email, you can always go to http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet and read the archives, which are up to date within a few minutes. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:55:45 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: slightly modified KR2S for sale Message-ID: <001f01c0bb28$cc0ace00$561cf618@600athlon> KRNetHeads, Well, like Mims, the time has come for me to do a little soul searching, and I've decided that what I've built isn't exactly what I need, and plan to build another one, so mine's now for sale. I'm thinking I'll build by the plans, except narrow down the fuselage a few inches to get less drag, and make the tail considerably smaller. I'll save weight on the control surfaces by not balancing anything, and will make rag wings using Dynel, just like Ken and Stu did, but with a plywood leading edge and lots of little wooden ribs instead of that cyanide gassing foam. I've had some misgivings about this new airfoil thing, and have arrived at the fact that the RAF48 (at 5 degrees incidence) is really better for what I need, and without flaps. Canopy will be one of those cheap plastic skylights, perfect for the job. The chainsaw starter idea that went around on KRNet a few years has a lot of appeal for me, so I'll be saving weight with that system. The engine will be (what else?) a Mazda rotary, spinning at 14,000 rpm, but converted to aircooling for simplicity, and the ultra-reliable Posa carb. There will only be one minor difference in the plans, and that will be three seats, in tandem. Sorry newbies, but this is my standard April Fool's day joke, which is to say (for all you guys from countries that have never heard of this tradition) A BIG FAT LIE! I really wasn't going to do one this year (I'm just not in the mood), but several folks have asked where's the April Fool's thing, so I whipped this up in about 3 minutes. I'll try to do better next year. I'll probably still get a few bites on my plane "for sale" though... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:41:39 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> slightly modified KR2S for sale Message-ID: <20010402114139.23556.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, About time you got rid of that clunker. Can't wait to see your plans for the 3 place tandem. Enjoyed the April Fool's joke, but you really had me going until I read "Dynel". Thanks ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:04:26 -0300 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> slightly modified KR2S for sale Message-ID: <007e01c0bb75$74989ba0$93a89aa5@mainpc> Mark: You really should do that especially the chain saw starter thing, and yes the RAF at 5 degrees, I like it !I like it ! Now as for selling your terribly modified project I'll make the first offer, I'll give you 10,000. Of course with the way things are going here in North America I'm talking mex. pesos right? Happy April Regards Jim, Hey we just got more snow( I'm not laughing ) about 10 more inches today, on top of six feet, that's about a thousand centimeters, how we measure things up in Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:55 AM Subject: KR> slightly modified KR2S for sale > KRNetHeads, > > Well, like Mims, the time has come for me to do a little soul searching, and > I've decided that what I've built isn't exactly what I need, and plan to > build another one, so mine's now for sale. > > I'm thinking I'll build by the plans, except narrow down the fuselage a few > inches to get less drag, and make the tail considerably smaller. I'll save > weight on the control surfaces by not balancing anything, and will make rag > wings using Dynel, just like Ken and Stu did, but with a plywood leading > edge and lots of little wooden ribs instead of that cyanide gassing foam. > > I've had some misgivings about this new airfoil thing, and have arrived at > the fact that the RAF48 (at 5 degrees incidence) is really better for what I > need, and without flaps. Canopy will be one of those cheap plastic > skylights, perfect for the job. The chainsaw starter idea that went around > on KRNet a few years has a lot of appeal for me, so I'll be saving weight > with that system. The engine will be (what else?) a Mazda rotary, spinning > at 14,000 rpm, but converted to aircooling for simplicity, and the > ultra-reliable Posa carb. There will only be one minor difference in the > plans, and that will be three seats, in tandem. > > Sorry newbies, but this is my standard April Fool's day joke, which is to > say (for all you guys from countries that have never heard of this > tradition) A BIG FAT LIE! I really wasn't going to do one this year (I'm > just not in the mood), but several folks have asked where's the April Fool's > thing, so I whipped this up in about 3 minutes. I'll try to do better next > year. I'll probably still get a few bites on my plane "for sale" though... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:23:52 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: bobby whisenant Subject: KR fly-in. In canton tx. Message-ID: <18924065.986189032032.JavaMail.imail@digger.excite.com> Some time a go.Some one had said somthing abought a small gathering of kr's that was going to be at some airstrip around canton tx. on april 27,28,29.Can anyone give directions or a name of airstrip. thanks Bob _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:34:15 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Fw: CorvAIRCRAFT e-mail list Message-ID: <000f01c0bb81$ff086750$ea0ba58c@tbe.com> > The CorvAIRCRAFT e-mail list broke down last week, the subscriber > list was purged. If you are on the CorvAIRCRAFT e-mail list and > have not received any e-mail in the past few days, you may need > to re-subscribe. You can do so by clicking either of the links below. > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/EMail.html > http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~gshearer/sub.html > > Pat Both me and Oscar didn't seem to notice that CorvAIRCRAFT was gone, and others may be in the same boat, so here's your official reminder to "re-up"... ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************