From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 13 Apr 2001 01:18:17 -0000 Issue 206 Date: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:18 PM krnet Digest 13 Apr 2001 01:18:17 -0000 Issue 206 Topics (messages 4962 through 4973): inspections 4962 by: Oscar Zuniga Spray foam as glue 4963 by: POND CARTER 4964 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 4965 by: Schmidt, Curtis 4967 by: john wenz 4968 by: Ron Eason 4972 by: Scott Norville Brake anchor on Diehl Gear 4966 by: HEATH, DANIEL R Re: wing skins/ sun-n-fun report 4969 by: T152GMAN.aol.com 4971 by: pjvisc.netzero.net great to be back 4970 by: w.g. kirkland Weight 4973 by: saunders Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:57:16 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: inspections Message-ID: Ed asked: >What inspections are required and by who? One. By the FAA inspector or DAR, at your final inspection when the bird is complete and ready for first flight; all paperwork and registrations complete; weight and balance complete, engine run tested. All other inspections are optional, and nowadays are being done by EAA Tech Reps (who do it cuz they love sport aviation). >How much can you document with photos and use for inspection records? It's up to the inspector, but "the more, the better". For your benefit, his/her benefit, and the benefit of others who want to see how you did it. And to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that your bird is 51%+ amateur-built (not necessarily built by _you_, but amateur-built); and also to demonstrate the skill and care you (and others) have taken in its construction. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:06:55 -0700 To: kr , "B. McCraw" From: POND CARTER Subject: Spray foam as glue Message-ID: <3AD464FF.89CDAE03@home.com> After reading David Mullins http://n323xl.iwarp.com fantastic web site. I see where he used Great Stuff spray foam to glue Trymere 2000 together as I have not heard of anyone doing this before I would like to get a second opinion. It make sense and sure looks good on his Project! Carter and Darren Kr2-s heavy building ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:12:59 -0500 (CDT) To: POND CARTER From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: kr , "B. McCraw" Subject: Re: KR> Spray foam as glue Message-Id: <200104111212.HAA35382@nm0.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> Yes, "Great Stuff" is great for gluing foam. Been there and done that. Just be sure you have your pieces clamped tightly as "great Stuff" is an expanding foam and will push the parts apart if not clamped or weighted properly. Mark Jones Wales, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > After reading David Mullins http://n323xl.iwarp.com fantastic web site. > I see where he used Great Stuff spray foam to glue Trymere 2000 > together as I have not heard of anyone doing this before I would like to > get a second opinion. It make sense and sure looks good on his Project! > Carter and Darren > Kr2-s heavy building > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 2001 07:22:00 -0700 To: "POND CARTER" , "kr" , "B. McCraw" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: RE: KR> Spray foam as glue Message-ID: <0007607E@kaydon.com> I used the same stuff on my vertical and horizontal stabs, rear deck and ca= nopy center section. I was told about this method by Sam Bailey in Pratt Ka= nsas, he has built 3 KR-1's and one of them is now in the Liberal Air museu= m. I figure if anybody would know he would! His method is to tack glue the = foam in place with 5 minute epoxy and then go back and cut a gap about 3/16= to a 1/4 inch wide between the 2 glue surfaces and inject the spray foam. = Not only do you get a full contact glue joint but you also will not have an= y epoxy to sand on the soft foam. I have not foamed my wings yet but plan o= n using the same method there as well! That is if I don't sell the project = first! One thing to keep in mind, is that once you start with a can of spra= y foam you have to use it all because it will set up in the nozzle and pick= up tube! Plan ahead or it will cost you more then necessary! One other thin= g, you will want to where surgical gloves because if you get this stuff on = you hands its there to stay for awhile! "Been there"! Curtis Schmidt -----Original Message----- From: POND CARTER [mailto:carterkr2s1@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:06 AM To: kr; B. McCraw Cc: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: KR> Spray foam as glue After reading David Mullins http://n323xl.iwarp.com fantastic web site. I see where he used Great Stuff spray foam to glue Trymere 2000 together as I have not heard of anyone doing this before I would like to get a second opinion. It make sense and sure looks good on his Project! Carter and Darren Kr2-s heavy building --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:34:06 -0400 To: "Carter Pond" , "krnet" From: "john wenz" Subject: Re: KR> Spray foam as glue Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0C2CF.22FD0540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I once saw this Great-stuff used to stop the oil canning on an aft fusela= ge lower strake on a Piper PA42. It worked great in the northeast. But th= e customer took the aircraft in the summertime down to texas, the great-s= tuff swelled up due to the heat. wound up replacing the strake. That was = about 10 years ago. I dont know if the new stuff will do the same thing. = You may want to make a practice piece and subject it to a heat lamp to s= ee if it grows on you. =20 I found a fuel gauge package made by Murphy Switchgauge. They are a manuf= acture of gauges and shut down systems for heavy equipment and fleets. Th= ey have a fuel gauge that has a Hall effect switch (Purpose was built for= shut down of equipment before you run the unit out of fuel, and then hav= e to prime the fuel injection system) and you can move the switch setting= any where you want. The unit I thought was dirt cheap, and I don't think= it is much heaver than my VDO gauge. I have to recheck my invoice, but I= think a gauge and two senders would not set you back more than a hundred= bucks. Im planning to use it for a low fuel warning, but with a little c= reativity could be used for a multitude of things. It looks good too! =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Schmidt, Curtis Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:27 AM To: POND CARTER; kr; B. McCraw Subject: RE: KR> Spray foam as glue I used the same stuff on my vertical and horizontal stabs, rear deck and = canopy center section. I was told about this method by Sam Bailey in Prat= t Kansas, he has built 3 KR-1's and one of them is now in the Liberal Air= museum. I figure if anybody would know he would! His method is to tack g= lue the foam in place with 5 minute epoxy and then go back and cut a gap = about 3/16 to a 1/4 inch wide between the 2 glue surfaces and inject the = spray foam. Not only do you get a full contact glue joint but you also wi= ll not have any epoxy to sand on the soft foam. I have not foamed my wing= s yet but plan on using the same method there as well! That is if I don't= sell the project first! One thing to keep in mind, is that once you star= t with a can of spray foam you have to use it all because it will set up = in the nozzle and pickup tube! Plan ahead or it will cost you more then n= ecessary! One other thing, you will want to where surgical gloves because= if you get this stuff on you hands its there to stay for awhile! "Been t= here"! Curtis Schmidt -----Original Message----- From: POND CARTER [mailto:carterkr2s1@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:06 AM To: kr; B. McCraw Cc: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: KR> Spray foam as glue After reading David Mullins http://n323xl.iwarp.com fantastic web site. I see where he used Great Stuff spray foam to glue Trymere 2000 together as I have not heard of anyone doing this before I would like to get a second opinion. It make sense and sure looks good on his Project! 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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0C2CF.22FD0540-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:42:01 -0500 To: , "POND CARTER" From: "Ron Eason" Cc: "kr" , "B. McCraw" Subject: Re: KR> Spray foam as glue Message-ID: <000f01c0c2f1$c5ac8aa0$ad131a41@kc.rr.com> Sounds like you are using Polyurethane adhesive which is available at all hardware stores now days [ ELMERS Probond is what I have used] it can be used to bond urethane foam also. I have also use two part urethane liquid foam to glue foam also [which is faster curing]. Krron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "POND CARTER" Cc: "kr" ; "B. McCraw" Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: Re: KR> Spray foam as glue > Yes, "Great Stuff" is great for gluing foam. Been there and done that. > Just be sure you have your pieces clamped tightly as "great Stuff" is > an expanding foam and will push the parts apart if not clamped or > weighted properly. > > Mark Jones > Wales, WI > mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > After reading David Mullins http://n323xl.iwarp.com fantastic web > site. > > I see where he used Great Stuff spray foam to glue Trymere 2000 > > together as I have not heard of anyone doing this before I would > like to > > get a second opinion. It make sense and sure looks good on his > Project! > > Carter and Darren > > Kr2-s heavy building > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Norville Subject: Re: Re: KR> Spray foam as glue Message-Id: <200104122226.SAA03920@web1.po.com> "Great Stuff" is a brand name for a polyurethane foam, and its now sold in the normal, expanding form, and in a "minimal expanding" form. The minimal-expanding stuff is great for gluing foam, but its harder than the foam, so don't use it close the the surface or it leaves ridges after sanding. (Those aren't sanding defects, they're stiffening ridges for strength!) This is different than the urethane wood glue, which works well for the same thing. I've found if you mix some with water (intructions specify wetting the wood surfaces) it sets quickly and gives a drier, harder, better-sanding substance. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:57:26 -0400 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: Brake anchor on Diehl Gear Message-ID: We have Matco wheels and brakes. We have installed a Diehl fixed conventional gear. We are having a problem determining the best way to anchor the brake. Has anyone already figured this out? What is the recommended solution? What is any solution? Daniel R. Heath DHeath@SCANA.com 803-217-9984 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:20:35 EDT To: dmullins@ici.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: T152GMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> wing skins/ sun-n-fun report Message-ID: --part1_df.132412af.28066af3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am thinking of installing the dheil wing skins.How do they install?Are they one complete skin or are they in sections?How much glassing is there to installing them?and do they come with stubb wings also? Sun-n-fun is great as usual.I met a guy from Texas with a sweet kr2s in the camp ground area. Tri gear with a 2180 great planes engine.There were three kr's there monday.I am going back saturday and i will keep you guys posted. Thanks Tony --part1_df.132412af.28066af3_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:50:36 -0400 To: T152GMAN@aol.com From: pjvisc@netzero.net CC: dmullins@ici.net, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> wing skins/ sun-n-fun report Message-ID: <3AD5CECB.3E778BF6@netzero.net> Tony, I have the skins. Top, bottom and wing tips (also top & bottom). Be sure to follow instructions from Diehl. Phil Visconti T152GMAN@aol.com wrote: > I am thinking of installing the dheil wing skins.How do they install?Are > they one complete skin or are they in sections?How much glassing is there to > installing them?and do they come with stubb wings also? > > Sun-n-fun is great as usual.I met a guy from Texas with a sweet kr2s in > the camp ground area. Tri gear with a 2180 great planes engine.There were > three kr's there monday.I am going back saturday and i will keep you guys > posted. > > Thanks Tony Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:59:06 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: great to be back Message-ID: <00cf01c0c30d$4e529500$a4905bd1@kirkland> ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C0C2EB.C609AD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been travelling for five weeks. There were over 800 messages waiting. My = delete finger has CTS. Missed my daily fix of KR stuff. Visited museums = at Eglin AFB and Pensacola (a personal tour by an ex Naval Commander who = has served on five carriers) and Mark Langfords. Sorry I couldn't stay = longer Mark. Great workmanship. Boy you guys have been doing a lot of flaming. Going to put them all = together in my tailpipe and break the sound barrier :0) Great to be back = and start building again. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C0C2EB.C609AD80-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:17:12 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "saunders" Subject: Weight Message-ID: <00ba01c0c3b7$78e85f20$dba8efce@mike> ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C0C395.F0FC8BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would be interested in knowing what kind of wing weight builders with = outboard wing tanks were coming up with. Mine seem heavy at 45#. ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C0C395.F0FC8BC0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************