From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 May 2001 13:28:28 -0000 Issue 227 Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 6:29 AM krnet Digest 21 May 2001 13:28:28 -0000 Issue 227 Topics (messages 5441 through 5453): Re: engine 5441 by: George Allen Re: FIBERGLASS-DYNEL 5442 by: Donald Reid 5443 by: Frank Ross 5445 by: Ed Janssen 5452 by: HEATH, DANIEL R DYNEL 5444 by: pjvisc.netzero.net KR2S/Corvair cowling 5446 by: Mark Langford 6399U 5447 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 5448 by: Jean Veron 5453 by: HEATH, DANIEL R Re: Inspection 5449 by: w.g. kirkland easy corvair engine hp increase 5450 by: Richard Parker 5451 by: George Allen Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 08:33:31 -0400 To: From: "George Allen" Subject: Re: engine Message-ID: <00c701c0e05f$ea9f5780$c9a7dcd8@george> ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C0E03E.62EF0680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry guy,s, My post came out wrong. It's Pat Panzera's = (http://home.earthlink.net/~k6ro/images/Supervair.JPG) posting, not mine. I wish it was mine!! It's stunning. I'll shutup now. George Allen GeorgeA@PaOnline.com Harrisburg, PA ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C0E03E.62EF0680-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:49:30 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010519094745.00a03340@pop.erols.com> --=====================_799058==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:26 PM 5/18/2001 -0400, pjvisc@netzero.net wrote: >I tried looking in archives for dynel vs fiberglass topic. I couldn't >find it. Didn't someone recently discuss the pros and cons of each for >wings ? The short answer is ... don't even consider the dynel. It is difficult to find, not as strong, and makes a very heavy layup. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org --=====================_799058==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:21:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Donald Reid , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL Message-ID: <20010519142107.19085.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Well, since Phil brought it up... If you ALREADY HAVE a plane made of Dynel, and it needs a REPAIR, can you use fiberglass or do you have to use DYNEL? I tried to get an answer to this last year and got tons of answers, most of which were "Don't use Dynel to build your plane.", "Dynel is too heavy", "What is Dynel?", but none of which address what you do with a Dynel plane that needs a patch. I got a nice offer from Bill who had some dynel left over. He had patched dynel with dynel. George A. sent a note on this reference: Dynel Source Found a better reference http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/KBbbsOld/1916.shtml George A. Phil, I don't think the Archives ever really address one vs the other. At some point, it just became easier to get and use glass than dynel. And maybe builders weren't as intimated by 'glass as Rand may have thought. I think Rand initially used dynel because (AT THAT TIME) it was less expensive, easy to get, easier to use for someone with no experience and I think (AT THAT TIME) the issue of holding more resin and being heavier, had not been noticed yet. The Archives have several Q&As and letters or short articles on "why can't I use fiberglass instead of dynel?" or "has anyone considered fiberglass?", the same kind of mention is found regarding the Corvair engine. I didn't find mention of how, why, or when the change to fiberglass was made, or why it took so long for Corvairs to get popular in KRs. If you are building and time is important, the general agreement is fiberglass. If you are experimenting and have lots of time, why not make up some parts out of both and test them for strength, ease of working, how they respond to vacuum-bagging and newer methods of building? Sorry I rambled on so long... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:36:49 -0500 To: "Frank Ross" , "Donald Reid" , From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL Message-ID: <005301c0e0ab$d043af20$020010ac@dad> I also have a roll of Dynel - probably enough to do a whole airplane, if someone needs some to do patchwork. Its also nice to work with if you're making something with compound curves - cowling blisters or whatever. More easily worked than fiberglass, I think. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: "Donald Reid" ; Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: Re: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL > Well, since Phil brought it up... > If you ALREADY HAVE a plane made of Dynel, and it > needs a REPAIR, can you use fiberglass or do you have > to use DYNEL? > I tried to get an answer to this last year and got > tons of answers, most of which were "Don't use Dynel > to build your plane.", "Dynel is too heavy", "What is > Dynel?", but none of which address what you do with a > Dynel plane that needs a patch. > I got a nice offer from Bill who had some dynel left > over. He had patched dynel with dynel. > George A. sent a note on this reference: > Dynel Source > Found a better reference > http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/KBbbsOld/1916.shtml > George A. > Phil, I don't think the Archives ever really address > one vs the other. At some point, it just became easier > to get and use glass than dynel. And maybe builders > weren't as intimated by 'glass as Rand may have > thought. I think Rand initially used dynel because (AT > THAT TIME) it was less expensive, easy to get, easier > to use for someone with no experience and I think (AT > THAT TIME) the issue of holding more resin and being > heavier, had not been noticed yet. > The Archives have several Q&As and letters or short > articles on "why can't I use fiberglass instead of > dynel?" or "has anyone considered fiberglass?", the > same kind of mention is found regarding the Corvair > engine. I didn't find mention of how, why, or when the > change to fiberglass was made, or why it took so long > for Corvairs to get popular in KRs. > If you are building and time is important, the general > agreement is fiberglass. If you are experimenting and > have lots of time, why not make up some parts out of > both and test them for strength, ease of working, how > they respond to vacuum-bagging and newer methods of > building? > Sorry I rambled on so long... > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:05:59 -0400 To: "'ejanssen@chipsnet.com'" , Frank Ross , Donald Reid , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL Message-ID: I am not an expert on these things, but I would think that you could patch any resin based part with any other resin based application. You just need to determine the structure that you need and use whatever will give you that. As long as you create the proper surface to give you a bond, whatever kind of glass should work as long as it is compatible with the resin you use. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com [mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 5:37 PM To: Frank Ross; Donald Reid; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL I also have a roll of Dynel - probably enough to do a whole airplane, if someone needs some to do patchwork. Its also nice to work with if you're making something with compound curves - cowling blisters or whatever. More easily worked than fiberglass, I think. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: "Donald Reid" ; Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: Re: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL > Well, since Phil brought it up... > If you ALREADY HAVE a plane made of Dynel, and it > needs a REPAIR, can you use fiberglass or do you have > to use DYNEL? > I tried to get an answer to this last year and got > tons of answers, most of which were "Don't use Dynel > to build your plane.", "Dynel is too heavy", "What is > Dynel?", but none of which address what you do with a > Dynel plane that needs a patch. > I got a nice offer from Bill who had some dynel left > over. He had patched dynel with dynel. > George A. sent a note on this reference: > Dynel Source > Found a better reference > http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/KBbbsOld/1916.shtml > George A. > Phil, I don't think the Archives ever really address > one vs the other. At some point, it just became easier > to get and use glass than dynel. And maybe builders > weren't as intimated by 'glass as Rand may have > thought. I think Rand initially used dynel because (AT > THAT TIME) it was less expensive, easy to get, easier > to use for someone with no experience and I think (AT > THAT TIME) the issue of holding more resin and being > heavier, had not been noticed yet. > The Archives have several Q&As and letters or short > articles on "why can't I use fiberglass instead of > dynel?" or "has anyone considered fiberglass?", the > same kind of mention is found regarding the Corvair > engine. I didn't find mention of how, why, or when the > change to fiberglass was made, or why it took so long > for Corvairs to get popular in KRs. > If you are building and time is important, the general > agreement is fiberglass. If you are experimenting and > have lots of time, why not make up some parts out of > both and test them for strength, ease of working, how > they respond to vacuum-bagging and newer methods of > building? > Sorry I rambled on so long... > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:10:35 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: pjvisc@netzero.net Subject: DYNEL Message-ID: <3B068CEA.A5272DA3@netzero.net> --------------FB2BDB1E9E5E580A26414935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gentlemen, Thank you for info about dynel. Rich Parker sent notice of KR for sale. I called owner. He said dynel/epoxy was used on wings because it is stronger, more resilient and lasts longer than fiberglass. I'm going to try and go look at the KR this weekend. Phil Visconti Marlboro, MA --------------FB2BDB1E9E5E580A26414935-- NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:08:04 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR2S/Corvair cowling Message-ID: <003d01c0e0b8$8f95fe30$91de8e18@600athlon> For those of you wondering how you're going to cowl your Corvair, I offer the following examples of how nicely the Revmaster fits the Corvair. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/01051909.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/01051912.jpg This is just a preliminary look. I'll have to slide the cowling back a tad by cutting an inch or two off the aft end. The top will require two little bumps for the intake, and a 1.5" high scoop for the carburetor. Had I milled off the intake flanges no bump at all would be required. This is with the thrustline about 2.5" below the top of the top longeron. Obviously, the bottom needs to be widened 2". A KR2S/Corvair cowling may fall out of this eventually. More later... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:23:57 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: 6399U Message-ID: <20010519.202358.-356965.0.klw1953@juno.com> Well tomorrow is the big day, 99U is on the trailer and hooked to the van. I don't expect I'll be doing any thing but taxiing,but if all goes as planned I'll be lifting off the runway in the near future. I'll post something when I return.---------------------Kenny ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:43:06 -0500 To: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" , "krnet" From: "Jean Veron" Subject: Re: KR> 6399U Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0E09B.ECC28E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Taxi a lot and fly when you feel comfortable with the airplane. Fly at 12= 0 mph until you feel comfortable with it and then open it up. Good luck = N4DD oldest KR-2. Jean N4DD@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:23 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> 6399U Well tomorrow is the big day, 99U is on the trailer and hooked to the van. I don't expect I'll be doing any thing but taxiing,but if all goes as planned I'll be lifting off the runway in the near future. 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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0E09B.ECC28E60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:58:23 -0400 To: "'Jean Veron'" , Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: KR> 6399U Message-ID: Has N4DD been sold, or is this old news. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: Jean Veron [mailto:n4dd@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 8:43 PM To: Kenneth L Wiltrout; krnet Subject: Re: KR> 6399U Taxi a lot and fly when you feel comfortable with the airplane. Fly at 120 mph until you feel comfortable with it and then open it up. Good luck N4DD oldest KR-2. Jean N4DD@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:23 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> 6399U Well tomorrow is the big day, 99U is on the trailer and hooked to the van. I don't expect I'll be doing any thing but taxiing,but if all goes as planned I'll be lifting off the runway in the near future. I'll post something when I return.---------------------Kenny ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org
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------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:15:45 -0400 To: "Al Friesen" , From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Inspection Message-ID: <000f01c0e0e3$8df64960$be905bd1@kirkland> Were with you Al. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Friesen" To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: KR> Inspection Netters, A week from tomorrow is the day the inspector from MD-RA (Canada) comes from the gates of Waterton Park Gate (has a garage business there) to Creston, just 8 miles north of Idaho,a long drive, to look at my little "Blue Belle". Found a lot of prebuilt snags to correct, got a new regulator from Joe at Revmaster (now it charges 13.5v. The hour meter had a loose connection. I know she flys as a fast taxi with some down trim put her into the air about 6' x 150 yrds. Got interesting but she handles very nicely. I changed the tail wheel I got with the plane (Champ type, too heavy) for my own design using a 4" wheel from A/C Spruce inside an alum teardrop fairing, saved 5lbs. Thanks to all who contributed info & parts for "Blue Belle" Al ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:47:20 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: easy corvair engine hp increase Message-ID: I was given an old (early 60's) issue of hot rod magazine that had an article that took a stock 72hp corvair engine and pumped it up to 102 hp for only a $39.99 kit. basically what the designer did was to mount 2 more carbs to a 2 carb engine. The article was before there were 4 carb engines. the neat part of the article was how it explained the shortcomings of the stock head mounted intake manifold. As you corvair guys have seen, on the head the intake is between cylinder 1,3 on the right and 4 and 6 on the left. The author basically drilled 2 more large holes in the manifold and mounted 2 more carbs flange to better flow to cylinders 2 and 5. He mounted another stock carb to these flanges and got a 41% hp increase from 72 to 102 hp. With the method he used he didnt even have to pull the heads off. If you dont want to use 4 carbs I would suggest making the modification at least to increase the flow and use a 4 legged intake manifold from your aircraft style carb. If anyone wants a copy of the article I can scan it and e-mail it Rich Parker peterborough NH _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:43:07 -0400 To: From: "George Allen" Subject: Re: KR> easy corvair engine hp increase Message-ID: <004401c0e14b$f38d62a0$04a7dcd8@george> Sounds like you just described Pat's 'Supervair' intake. What kind of HP you getting out of that engine Pat? George Allen GeorgeA@PaOnline.com Harrisburg, PA Subject: KR> easy corvair engine hp increase > I was given an old (early 60's) issue of hot rod magazine that had an > article that took a stock 72hp corvair engine and pumped it up to 102 hp for > only a $39.99 kit. .........4 legged intake manifold from your aircraft > style carb. > Rich Parker > peterborough NH ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************