From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 6 Jun 2001 02:13:50 -0000 Issue 235 Date: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 7:14 PM krnet Digest 6 Jun 2001 02:13:50 -0000 Issue 235 Topics (messages 5627 through 5639): Re: Securing piano hine pin 5627 by: Mark Langford 5628 by: Patrick Driscoll ENGINE HEAT 5629 by: pjvisc.netzero.net Re: Gascolator heating 5630 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 5631 by: Jerry Mahurin 5632 by: Laheze.aol.com 5635 by: macwood KR Gathering posting. 5633 by: flykr2s.execpc.com Re: KR Gathering 5634 by: Guenther Bryce Corvair Underground Access 5636 by: Peter Johnson Mail Blockage By AOL Makes the News 5637 by: Walter Lounsbery corvair engine hunt 5638 by: bobby whisenant Virginia EAA Fly-In 5639 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 20:32:26 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Securing piano hine pin Message-ID: <000701c0ec96$55c50a40$6505b4d8@thinkpad> Lionheart used hinge pins to join the top and bottom cowling halves, but nobody bothered to secure it. I mean, how could it possibly come loose? On the maiden flight of the prototype, the hinge pins backed out (both of them, and against the wind) far enough to chew a nice groove into the back of all three blades of a $14,000 Hartzell propeller, so it CAN happen. Last time I saw it, it was safety wired... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 18:58:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Langford , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Patrick Driscoll Subject: Re: KR> Securing piano hine pin Message-ID: <20010604015828.35823.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com> In 1980 I flew a Fly-Baby to Florida. It had a piano hinge holding the cowling side shut. It would work forward towards the prop but not enough to reach it. I had two different people at two different airports look at it and ask me if it was some type of tachometer. --- Mark Langford wrote: > Lionheart used hinge pins to join the top and bottom > cowling halves, but > nobody bothered to secure it. I mean, how could it > possibly come loose? On > the maiden flight of the prototype, the hinge pins > backed out (both of > them, and against the wind) far enough to chew a > nice groove into the back > of all three blades of a $14,000 Hartzell > propeller, so it CAN happen. > Last time I saw it, it was safety wired... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:00:59 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: pjvisc@netzero.net Subject: ENGINE HEAT Message-ID: <3B1AF9EB.EFB9C9FE@netzero.net> --------------B229C004E47DA8EFB17C097E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a CHT but it was bought at an auto shop and I'm not sure of its accuracy. I hung the thermocouple probe in boiling water but meter only registered 160 deg, F. I'm not sure if this is a good way to check meter. However, if only one can be mounted, which is better, CHT or EGT ??? Phil --------------B229C004E47DA8EFB17C097E-- NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:59:32 -0400 To: "'macwood'" , Laheze@aol.com From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Cc: krnet user group Subject: RE: KR> Gascolator heating Message-ID: I agree with Larry. I think the best place to get the air is from the air inlet in the front of the cowl. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: macwood [mailto:macwood@tinyworld.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:28 AM To: Laheze@aol.com Cc: krnet user group Subject: Re: KR> Gascolator heating Thanks, Daniel and Larry , I suspect I was lucky to get away with it too, I had an engine failure on base due to overheating, but that was due to a thermal relief valve on the oil outlet that was stuck closed. No oil was going through the cooler! The valve must have been installed by the gent I bought the engine from as the makers were baffled as to how the engine ran at all! Lesson -Never take anything on trust. The position of the NACA inlet would be at the lower rear corner of the lower engine cowling. I hadn't considered the possibility of it being in a negative pressure area- any clues? Thanks to all. Mac. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: KR> Gascolator heating > Hi Mac, > > The KR2 that I have been repairing was damaged because of vaporlock/engine > out associated with the gascolator being too near the exhaust pipes. I talked > to Joe at Revmaster and he told me that Ken Rand had several engine outs in > the beginning until he figured out that he needed to shroud the gascolator. > My friend who crashed the plane I now have was doing touch and go's and not > enough high speed flying to move enough heat buildup out of the cowling area > which caused the vaporlock. He is lucky to be alive now because he lost the > engine on takeoff while at too steep of angle climbout. > The answer is Shroud the gascolator and Great idea of ducting fresh air to > it. The back vertical shroud on your engine is a good place to take fresh air > to the gascolator and also use same area to blow fresh air on electronics or > magnetos if you have any. > My Mooney has two small aluminum tubes/ one on each side directing a flow of > fresh air onto the magnetoes from the back of this vertical shroud at the > rear of the engine. > > Larry Howell laheze@aol.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:29:57 To: DHEATH@scana.com, macwood@tinyworld.co.uk, Laheze@aol.com From: "Jerry Mahurin" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Gascolator heating Message-ID: Dan, et al, I think he is getting the air from the top rear of the engine compartment, not from the front air inlet area..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC >From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" >To: "'macwood'" , Laheze@aol.com >CC: krnet user group >Subject: RE: KR> Gascolator heating >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:59:32 -0400 > >I agree with Larry. I think the best place to get the air is from the air >inlet in the front of the cowl. > >Daniel R. Heath >DHeath@Scana.com >(803)217-9984 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: macwood [mailto:macwood@tinyworld.co.uk] >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:28 AM >To: Laheze@aol.com >Cc: krnet user group >Subject: Re: KR> Gascolator heating > > >Thanks, Daniel and Larry , I suspect I was lucky to get away with it too, I >had an engine failure on base due to overheating, but that was due to a >thermal relief valve on the oil outlet that was stuck closed. No oil was >going through the cooler! The valve must have been installed by the gent I >bought the engine from as the makers were baffled as to how the engine ran >at all! Lesson -Never take anything on trust. >The position of the NACA inlet would be at the lower rear corner of the >lower engine cowling. I hadn't considered the possibility of it being in a >negative pressure area- any clues? >Thanks to all. Mac. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:10 PM >Subject: KR> Gascolator heating > > > > Hi Mac, > > > > The KR2 that I have been repairing was damaged because of >vaporlock/engine > > out associated with the gascolator being too near the exhaust pipes. I >talked > > to Joe at Revmaster and he told me that Ken Rand had several engine outs >in > > the beginning until he figured out that he needed to shroud the >gascolator. > > My friend who crashed the plane I now have was doing touch and go's and >not > > enough high speed flying to move enough heat buildup out of the cowling >area > > which caused the vaporlock. He is lucky to be alive now because he lost >the > > engine on takeoff while at too steep of angle climbout. > > The answer is Shroud the gascolator and Great idea of ducting fresh air >to > > it. The back vertical shroud on your engine is a good place to take >fresh >air > > to the gascolator and also use same area to blow fresh air on >electronics >or > > magnetos if you have any. > > My Mooney has two small aluminum tubes/ one on each side directing a >flow >of > > fresh air onto the magnetoes from the back of this vertical shroud at >the > > rear of the engine. > > > > Larry Howell laheze@aol.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:42:48 EDT To: myrddin@usa.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Laheze@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Gascolator heating Message-ID: <62.f7b9977.284d2298@aol.com> The air does come from the front inlets on each side of the front of the cowling but is still basically cool air when it reaches the shrouding at the back of the engine while in flight. Supposedly all the hot air from the cylinders is being blown down between the cylinders and out the bottom of the cowling if you have downdraft cooling system like most guys do. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:54:57 +0100 To: "HEATH, DANIEL R" From: "macwood" Cc: "krnet user group" Subject: Re: KR> Gascolator heating Message-ID: <000f01c0eda5$ac088480$044f3c3e@tinypc> Thanks for all your inputs, - sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees! Moving the gascolator is one of those lateral hops that are soo obvious when you think about it. I will also duct air from the rear baffle via a 1" scat hose , forget the NACA inlet. Thanks all. Mac ----- Original Message ----- From: HEATH, DANIEL R To: 'macwood' Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: RE: KR> Gascolator heating > Sounds like a good idea, just be sure that the NACA is in a positive > pressure area. You could also move the gascolator. > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@Scana.com > (803)217-9984 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macwood [mailto:macwood@tinyworld.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:17 PM > To: krnet user group > Subject: KR> Gascolator heating > > > Seeing signs of overheating in the gascolator area (yellowy discoloration), > I built a ss box round it. It is sited 3" away from the exhaust pipe. I'm > thinking of fitting a naca inlet in the lower cowl next to it, Any opinions? > Thanks in advance -there's always someone out there who can put you > straight! p.s- Have'nt run the engine since the modification. > Mac > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:49:17 -0500 (CDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: Subject: KR Gathering posting. Message-Id: <200106041849.NAA55396@nm2.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> I emailed www.landings.com and asked that our event be posted in their airshow/events schedule. I feel the more advertising we get the better. Here is the link if interested: http://www1.drive.net/evird.acgi$pass*36612202!_h- www.landings.com/_landings/pages/evnts/events-org.html Mark Jones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:55:01 -0700 (PDT) To: Bruce Watkins From: Guenther Bryce Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering Message-ID: <20010604185501.23320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> At the EAA Chapter 453 meeting Bruce Loy the Airport Manager at Cape Girardeau spoke stating the THEME of the Air Show is WWII aircraft. The EAA will be provided roped section of grass area to prominade experimental aircraft. The Air Show is very good and I trailered my KR to the show last year. The pylon racing was exciting with the 4 cyl powered aircraft. I think KR's are great and the folks around Cape Girardeau certainly will be impressed with the KR's that attend and if Martin Roberts would show up I think the jaws of many pilots who attend will dislocate and see our great little planes as that. Bryce Guenther KR builder --- Bruce Watkins wrote: > Patrick, > I don't believe it is a "KR gathering". It is the > local airshow in Cape > Girardeau. > Last year there were NO KR's. > If anyone knows anything different please post it. > Bruce > Cape Girardeau, MO > -- > .+'''+. ,-//# > .+'''+. ." ". ." > Bruce Watkins http://users.clas.net/~flyer > '+,,,+' '+,,,,+' > _____________________________________________ > > > > Patrick Driscoll wrote: > > > > Anybody know about the KR gathering at Cape > Girardeau, > > MO. I thought I saw it in Sport Avaition Mag. but > I've > > gone through the listings at least six times now > and > > don't see it. Someone mentioned it on the net a > few > > days ago. I would like to know how many KR's I can > > expect to see there (if anyone knows yet if they > are > > going) and I will bring a TV camera and mikes and > tape > > the whole thing and put the tapes out for $10 like > > mark did but these tapes would be edited and have > > graphics to identify planes and people. I just > don't > > want to drive 13 hours from MN and find only three > or > > for planes. > > Can anyone give me some feedback? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:00:59 -0700 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Corvair Underground Access Message-ID: <005e01c0ee13$69e6da20$15a5e2d1@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C0EDD8.B6F37020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody. Lon's web site had been down for a couple of days now, = does anyone have his phone number handy, preferably a 1-800? Thanks. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C0EDD8.B6F37020-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:41:20 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Walter Lounsbery" Subject: Mail Blockage By AOL Makes the News Message-ID: By some strange coincidence, a fellow named Robert X. Cringely at Infoworld magazine reports: "Back on the job Just to prove I haven't lost touch, my spies report something's up with AOL. It's been blocking e-mail from direct-list software provider L-Soft. The reason? www.lsoft.com is on their spammers list. Bad news for any LISTSERV members, good news for privacy-neurotic AOL members." There are actually two parts to the coincidence: 1. The reports of KRNet members on AOL 2. The recent posts on KRNet by Robert X. Cringely. Small world? Walt Lounsbery ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:58:32 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: bobby whisenant Subject: corvair engine hunt Message-ID: <22545602.991781912895.JavaMail.imail@digger.excite.com> Can anyone tell me where to start hunting for a rebuildable corvair motor or, one for sale.allso can it be set up to use 100LL av. gas. thanks Bob _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:13:48 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Virginia EAA Fly-In Message-ID: <20.177f87c5.284eebdc@cs.com> If anybody is going to be there on Saturday, I will have my KR2 there again. It's white with red and black trim. This is the last month for this paint. Soon as I get home I will start to strip the paint and put a WW2 Mustang type scheme on her. With the invasion stripes also. Hope to see you there. Last year was great. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************