From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 17 Jun 2001 03:18:15 -0000 Issue 240 Date: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:18 PM krnet Digest 17 Jun 2001 03:18:15 -0000 Issue 240 Topics (messages 5688 through 5717): KR2 For Sale 5688 by: Kr2skip.aol.com HOW MUCH MAIL ? 5689 by: Philip J. Visconti 5690 by: Jerry Mahurin 5691 by: Mark Langford 5692 by: Robert Stone 5695 by: Jerry Mahurin 5701 by: Kr22278z.aol.com HOW MUCH MAIL 5693 by: flykr2s.execpc.com Quiet KRnet and Archives useage 5694 by: Frank Ross fuel guage 5696 by: dene.collett 5698 by: gleone 5699 by: bob_lee.juno.com 5702 by: w.g. kirkland 5703 by: w.g. kirkland 5704 by: Frank Ross 5715 by: dene.collett 5716 by: dene.collett I'm back 5697 by: Edwin Blocher SURPLUS CENTER CATALOG 5700 by: Robert Stone The KR gets airborn! 5705 by: John Bouyea Arlington 5706 by: John Esch 5710 by: AL Hawkins Sport Pilot 5707 by: ArtVanwinterswyke 5708 by: Stéfan Balatchev 5709 by: Philip J. Visconti 5713 by: ArtVanwinterswyke 5714 by: Steven Eberhart 5717 by: Brian Vasseur Sport Pilot info... 5711 by: CS More Sport Pilot info... 5712 by: CS Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:45:55 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kr2skip@aol.com Subject: KR2 For Sale Message-ID: <76.bc0c78c.285ac2d3@aol.com> --part1_76.bc0c78c.285ac2d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I use AOL I am not getting my KR mail so don't know what is happening! I have decided to sell my KR-2. I bought it from Don Betchan and have had a ball with it for the last three years. I now need something larger so must sell my KR. If interested you can get all the info at: http://members.aol.com/nfckr3/KR2-Forsale.jpg . Contact me at nfckr3@aol.com. This is a very unique and proven KR , also very fast. It will probably be featured in a national flying magazine soon. Thanks Skip Carden --part1_76.bc0c78c.285ac2d3_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:23:56 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: HOW MUCH MAIL ? Message-ID: <20010615.072357.-100407.0.viscan@juno.com> This past week I've received only 3 msg from Krnet. Am I having the same problem as those with AOL ? Phil Visconti ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:35:10 To: viscan@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> HOW MUCH MAIL ? Message-ID: My message count is way down also......!!! And, I have no connection to AOL at all......!!!! Do we have problems....???? Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC >From: "Philip J. Visconti" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> HOW MUCH MAIL ? >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:23:56 -0400 > >This past week I've received only 3 msg from Krnet. Am I having the same >problem as those with AOL ? > >Phil Visconti >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:35:23 -0500 To: , "Philip J. Visconti" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> HOW MUCH MAIL ? Message-ID: <000b01c0f597$a6d5f340$5f0ca58c@mlangford> > This past week I've received only 3 msg from Krnet. Am I having the same > problem as those with AOL ? All you have to do is go visit the archive at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and you will see exactly what's been posted. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:38:24 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , , "Philip J. Visconti" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> HOW MUCH MAIL ? Message-ID: <002201c0f5b1$37f9ace0$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Guys (KR Net heads) The volume is down a little bit but not to three per day. I am getting an average of between 9 to 11 KR messages per day. Mark Langford: I went to the web site shown in your message and don't know how to use it, could you give me some guidance please. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: ; "Philip J. Visconti" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: Re: KR> HOW MUCH MAIL ? > > This past week I've received only 3 msg from Krnet. Am I having the same > > problem as those with AOL ? > > All you have to do is go visit the archive at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and you will see exactly what's been > posted. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:28:38 To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org, viscan@juno.com From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> HOW MUCH MAIL ? Message-ID: Thanx Mark, Just looks like the traffic is down...... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC >From: "Mark Langford" >To: , "Philip J. Visconti" >Subject: Re: KR> HOW MUCH MAIL ? >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:35:23 -0500 > > > This past week I've received only 3 msg from Krnet. Am I having the same > > problem as those with AOL ? > >All you have to do is go visit the archive at >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and you will see exactly what's been >posted. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:47:54 EDT To: viscan@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kr22278z@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> HOW MUCH MAIL ? Message-ID: Hello all, I'm on AOL, and not getting much mail from KR net. Most days nothing. Bob Jennings, Anchorage, Alaska. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:52:29 -0500 (CDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: Subject: HOW MUCH MAIL Message-Id: <200106151552.KAA03049@nm1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> Here are the totals for this month 1=12 2=15 3=6 4=5 5=8 6=3 7=2 8=6 9=9 10=6 11=6 12=8 13=4 14=2 today=5 so far Mark Jones ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:10:24 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Quiet KRnet and Archives useage Message-ID: <20010615161024.12907.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> Bob, Others, When I first went to the Archives website, I didn't realize there was more below the first page. When the first page comes up, it looks like that's all there is. But, if you scroll down below what first comes up, there's each day listed and the title of each posting in blue. You can then just click on the blue titles and read the note. If you are just checking to make sure you got everything, it is easy to see just by looking at the titles. In all, the KRnet has been very quiet. It's not your computer or server. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:36:19 +0200 To: "Krnet" From: "dene.collett" Subject: fuel guage Message-ID: <000e01c0f5ce$6463bce0$35e0cba3@dean> Hi guys/gals I have been wondering about a cheap, light and accurate fuel guage set up for a long time now and have come up with something that I think can`t be beat for simplicity and low weight. Today at work I had to replace a magnetic reed switch on a door intruder alarm. AHA! I have an aluminuim header tank. If I could somehow rig a magnet on a float that moves very close to the rear face of the tank, I could place a series of these reeds at strategic points on the outer rear face to linearise the very un-linear shape of the tank. These in turn could drive a bar graph of l.e.d. I must admit that I have not thought it through properly yet, but it sounds like a good idea worth missing a couple of hours sleep over. Comments?? Cheers Dene Collett South Africa dene.collett@freemail.absa.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:30:46 -0600 To: "dene.collett" From: gleone CC: Krnet Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage Message-ID: <3B2A6266.70FDE5EE@tritel.net> --------------230027D7BB35046AAAE2817B Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2E6F8193A97E81A3E5DD77F4" --------------2E6F8193A97E81A3E5DD77F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The attached picture is of the fuel gauge used on the VP-1/2 and Teenie Two aircraft. It works very well, is simple and cheap to make. Quoting from Calvin Parker's plan, "Gas cap and float wire, also the vent hole in cap ahead of float wire. That simple gas level indicator and vent hole has never given any trouble on Teenie Two N2861 on over 10 years of flying, nor 40 years on a Cub." It's a simple design and it works. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming. "dene.collett" wrote: > Hi guys/gals > I have been wondering about a cheap, light and accurate fuel guage set up > for a long time now and have come up with something that I think can`t be > beat for simplicity and low weight. > Today at work I had to replace a magnetic reed switch on a door intruder > alarm. AHA! > I have an aluminuim header tank. If I could somehow rig a magnet on a float > that moves very close to the rear face of the tank, I could place a series > of these reeds at strategic points on the outer rear face to linearise the > very un-linear shape of the tank. These in turn could drive a bar graph of > l.e.d. > I must admit that I have not thought it through properly yet, but it sounds > like a good idea worth missing a couple of hours sleep over. Comments?? > Cheers > Dene Collett > South Africa > dene.collett@freemail.absa.co.za > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --------------2E6F8193A97E81A3E5DD77F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The attached picture is of the fuel gauge used on the VP-1/2 and Teenie Two aircraft.  It works very well, is simple and cheap to make.  Quoting from Calvin Parker's plan, "Gas cap and float wire,  also the vent hole in cap ahead of float wire.  That simple gas level indicator and vent hole has never given any trouble on Teenie Two N2861 on over 10 years of flying, nor 40 years on a Cub."  It's a simple design and it works.  Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming.

"dene.collett" wrote:

Hi guys/gals
I have been wondering about a cheap, light and accurate fuel guage set up
for a long time now and have come up with something that I think can`t be
beat for simplicity and low weight.
Today at work I had to replace a magnetic reed switch on a door intruder
alarm. AHA!
I have an aluminuim header tank. If I could somehow rig a magnet on a float
that moves very close to the rear face of the tank, I could place a series
of these reeds at strategic points on the outer rear face to linearise the
very un-linear shape of the tank. These in turn could drive a bar graph of
l.e.d.
I must admit that I have not thought it through properly yet, but it sounds
like a good idea worth missing a couple of hours sleep over. Comments??
Cheers
Dene Collett
South Africa
dene.collett@freemail.absa.co.za

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--------------2E6F8193A97E81A3E5DD77F4-- --------------230027D7BB35046AAAE2817B-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:06:33 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: bob_lee@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage Message-ID: <20010615.160633.115.0.bob_lee@juno.com> KrNetters, If you are looking for a cheap and accurate fuel gage, you can't beat going by the book. If you can't see fuel, dah the tank is empty. Even I can figure that one out. There have been many discussions about "how accurate is a sight gage"? The bottom line is if you take the time to calibrate your installation you can make it very accurate. I remember a kr that had the sight tube on an angle so the measurement would be longer and easier see. ( Was that your KR Jim Faughn?) Use the KISS principle and you can't go wrong. Cheers, Bob Lee ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:33:50 -0400 To: "dene.collett" , "Krnet" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage Message-ID: <000601c0f5fc$06cc7440$9c905bd1@kirkland> dene; I like the idea. Had a similar one myself. Couldn't find the reed switches in the R shack. Put the magnet inside the tank on a cork that floats inside a plastic tube. Use coloured leds eg. green,yellow,orange,red, or even a flashing red. With a relay you could activate the pump from the wing tanks. Got a supplier? Go for it and please send me a copy of your circuit diagram. I have fiberglass tanks. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "dene.collett" To: "Krnet" Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: KR> fuel guage > Hi guys/gals > I have been wondering about a cheap, light and accurate fuel guage set up > for a long time now and have come up with something that I think can`t be > beat for simplicity and low weight. > Today at work I had to replace a magnetic reed switch on a door intruder > alarm. AHA! > I have an aluminuim header tank. If I could somehow rig a magnet on a float > that moves very close to the rear face of the tank, I could place a series > of these reeds at strategic points on the outer rear face to linearise the > very un-linear shape of the tank. These in turn could drive a bar graph of > l.e.d. > I must admit that I have not thought it through properly yet, but it sounds > like a good idea worth missing a couple of hours sleep over. Comments?? > Cheers > Dene Collett > South Africa > dene.collett@freemail.absa.co.za > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:40:53 -0400 To: , From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage Message-ID: <004301c0f5fd$0064a220$9c905bd1@kirkland> Bob.. I agree but It's hard to see the sight tube in the wing tanks.! :0) W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage > KrNetters, > > If you are looking for a cheap and accurate fuel gage, you can't beat > going by the book. If you can't see fuel, dah the tank is empty. Even > I can figure that one out. There have been many discussions about "how > accurate is a sight gage"? The bottom line is if you take the time to > calibrate your installation you can make it very accurate. I remember a > kr that had the sight tube on an angle so the measurement would be longer > and easier see. ( Was that your KR Jim Faughn?) Use the KISS principle > and you can't go wrong. > > Cheers, > > Bob Lee > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:03:40 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage Message-ID: <20010616030340.1921.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Dene, For a start, why not have the magnet on top of a cork inside a tube with slots along the sides for the reeds? Tube open on both ends, cork floats with level of fuel, magnet is read on the reeds as it passes. Tube is fixed to side or back of tank. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:09:12 +0200 To: "Frank Ross" , From: "dene.collett" Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage Message-ID: <008001c0f69b$55218dc0$ede1cba3@dean> Frank wrote: > Dene, > For a start, why not have the magnet on top of a cork > inside a tube with slots along the sides for the > reeds? > Tube open on both ends, cork floats with level of > fuel, magnet is read on the reeds as it passes. Tube > is fixed to side or back of tank. > Would this not put a wiring harness into the tank to be connected to the reeds? This is something that I was hoping to avoid.My solution: magnet inside, reeds outside. Dene Collett South Africa denec@freemail.absa.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:32:16 +0200 To: "w.g. kirkland" , "Krnet" From: "dene.collett" Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage Message-ID: <008101c0f69b$56142b20$ede1cba3@dean> W.G wrote: > dene; I like the idea. Had a similar one myself. Couldn't find the reed > switches in the R shack. Put the magnet inside the tank on a cork that > floats inside a plastic tube. Use coloured leds eg. green,yellow,orange,red, > or even a flashing red. With a relay you could activate the pump from the > wing tanks. Got a supplier? > Go for it and please send me a copy of your circuit diagram. I have > fiberglass tanks. Hi there The reeds are available here from just about any electronics supply store and are fairly cheap. If you have never seen one, if you remove the reed from its plastic mounting block, it is truly tiny (100 of them might weigh a gram).The system I have in mind has NO electronics in it except for a series resistor for each l.e.d to be used and one diode per l.e.d(to supply the l.e.ds below the one fired by the float. As Serge said: a sight glass would be the simplest, but my tank bottom is slightly below the bottom edge of the inst panel. As for the piece of wire sticking up out of the fuel cap, maybe on a stand by generator- not on my slick bird!! I have just drawn up a circuit that I will build at work on Monday and test. I will let you know the results and send you a copy of the diagram next week. Cheers Dene Collett South Africa denec@freemail.absa.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:26:19 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: I'm back Message-ID: <000e01c0f5d1$0ec2eec0$729131cc@cyou.com> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0F5A7.24E058C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I finally got moved to my temporary quarters while the house is being = built. All my KR project is in storage except spars and Corvair engine = which I'll work on for the next few months. Got the new e-mail set up = today and it's good to be back on the list Ed Blocher Crestview, FL Blocher@cyou.com ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0F5A7.24E058C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:06:42 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: SURPLUS CENTER CATALOG Message-ID: <000801c0f5e7$76272020$ebd8fea9@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F5BD.8C6F43A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Net heads: There is a very good surplus Center catalog available at the = following address. I have a copy and it's loaded with goodies that = might be useful to anyone building a KR or any other aircraft for that = matter. Write to: Surplus Center 1015 West "O" Street P. O. Box 82209 Lincoln, Ne, 68501-2209 Or phone them at l-800-488-3407 (Call is free, so is the Catalog) Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F5BD.8C6F43A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:41:03 -0700 To: From: "John Bouyea" Subject: The KR gets airborn! Message-ID: <004801c0f616$2b0bf050$0b00a8c0@bouyea.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C0F5DB.7E73DFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://kr2s.bouyea.net/cur_proj/n5391m/flipomatic/Default.htm =20 Well, ok, so I cheated! Here's my take of the Flip-O-Matic device. Thanks for all the posts to KRNet. John Bouyea KR2 - in rebuild KR2 - on the gear KR2S - boat stage http://www.bouyea.net john@bouyea.net ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C0F5DB.7E73DFE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:28:00 -0700 To: KR-Net From: John Esch Subject: Arlington Message-ID: <3B2AEE60.B4E4C63@earthlink.net> How many Krnetters are going to Arlington, WA this year? I finally have a chance of going this year after a 4-5 year absence due to the National Guard and I would like to meet fellow KR builders. -- John F. Esch KR-2S Taxiway Bonanza, Independence, OR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:07:07 -0700 To: "krnet user group" From: "AL Hawkins" Subject: KR> Arlington Message-ID: <003501c0f676$0281aac0$1b43e8d8@bc.hsia.telus.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C0F63B.55D68780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will be going, we usually meet at the firepit on sat morning @ 10 a.m. See you there. Alastair Hawkins Port Coquitlam, B.C. Canada ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C0F63B.55D68780-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:06:51 -0700 To: From: "ArtVanwinterswyke" Subject: Sport Pilot Message-ID: <000c01c0f5a4$72f6ea40$d900a8c0@main> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F569.C09A9020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, My KR-2 is about 75% complete, I lost my medical but qualify under the = Sport Pilot Class. If it is possible, could we design a wing, useing the = standard wing roots, to put the KR within the limits of the sport pilot = aircraft. I am not an aeronautical engineer, but am hoping, if I = sacrifice the beautiful tapered outer wings for something a little more = like the old Cherokee 140 cracker box wings, maybe I will get to fly my = airplane. Could someone tell me where I could get this type of help.=20 I think the KR is such an neat design and maybe with a little wing = modification it would also be open to the Sport Pilot group. Just need = to slow it down some and the wing modification could also lower the = stall speed a little. Thanks for your help. Art = avanwinter@sport.rr.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F569.C09A9020-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:42:30 +0200 To: "ArtVanwinterswyke" , From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9fan_Balatchev?= Subject: Re: KR> Sport Pilot Message-ID: <008901c0f661$cfb54d40$6f78f9c1@rn1kk> Why don't you use flaps on the stub wings, it should decrease the stall speed to the limits imposed by the Sport Pilot license. Sorry, I don't know well these limits, they are different than the ULM in Europe. Stéfan Balatchev, mailto:Stefan.Balatchev@wanadoo.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: ArtVanwinterswyke To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: KR> Sport Pilot Hello All, My KR-2 is about 75% complete, I lost my medical but qualify under the Sport Pilot Class. If it is possible, could we design a wing, useing the standard wing roots, to put the KR within the limits of the sport pilot aircraft. I am not an aeronautical engineer, but am hoping, if I sacrifice the beautiful tapered outer wings for something a little more like the old Cherokee 140 cracker box wings, maybe I will get to fly my airplane. Could someone tell me where I could get this type of help. I think the KR is such an neat design and maybe with a little wing modification it would also be open to the Sport Pilot group. Just need to slow it down some and the wing modification could also lower the stall speed a little. Thanks for your help. Art avanwinter@sport.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:00:53 -0400 To: avanwinter@sport.rr.com From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Sport Pilot Message-ID: <20010616.110055.-152917.0.viscan@juno.com> Art, Very interesting E-mail about Sport Pilot. Could you please tell me where you obtained info about Sport Pilot (License) ? Phil Visconti Marlboro, MA ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:13:34 -0700 To: "Philip J. Visconti" From: "ArtVanwinterswyke" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Sport Pilot Message-ID: <001f01c0f5cf$46830180$d900a8c0@main> Hi Philip, http://www.aerosports.org/sport_pilot,_osh00.htm As I understand it, it is not concret yet. I found the following on web site http://www.sportpilot.org/news/010522.html#TopOfPage EAA has learned that FAA Administrator Jane Garvey officially approved the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Airplane proposal and that final preparations are being made for its delivery to the U.S. Department of Transportation. "It's been signed by the Administrator," said Sport Pilot Project Manager Sue Gardner on May 22. She added that final preparations are being made before it is delivered to the DOT. Once received, the DOT will have up to 60 days to review Sport Pilot/Light Sport Airplane before forwarding it to the Office of Management and Budget, which also has up to 60 days for review. EAA is in close contact with agency officials and will post the latest developments as they occur here at www.eaa.org. http://www.sportpilot.org/spt_aircraft_types.html From FAA's briefings given earlier this year about the sport pilot proposal, EAA understands that the aircraft sport pilots will be allowed to fly can have a maximum gross weight of 1,232 pounds and a 39-knot stall speed in the landing configuration. Top speed (VH) of the aircraft will likely be limited to 87 knots (100 mph), or 115 knots (130 mph) if the pilot of the aircraft has obtained further training and a one-time logbook endorsement from an instructor. Thanks you Art ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:31:21 -0500 (CDT) To: "Philip J. Visconti" From: Steven Eberhart cc: , Subject: Re: KR> Sport Pilot Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Philip J. Visconti wrote: > Art, > > Very interesting E-mail about Sport Pilot. Could you please tell me where > you obtained info about Sport Pilot (License) ? > > Phil Visconti > Marlboro, MA go to the EAA site for the latest. http://www.eaa.org IIRC the minimum stall speed specified is without flaps. I have thought for a long time that a Sport Pilot legal KR-2 would be a great follow on to the airfoil project. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com BX-2 Cherry #204, N14SE reserved One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:01:59 -0600 To: "ArtVanwinterswyke" , From: "Brian Vasseur" Subject: Re: KR> Sport Pilot Message-ID: <009d01c0f6d9$e0dba100$2c45e4cf@C5477> The new sport pilot rules are almost identical to the canadian ultralight regs. It is possible to register a KR1 as an ultralight and you should be able to do it with a KR2. The caveat is that you will have to limit the gross weight to 830 pounds to get a 45mph stall (39 knots). This basically makes it a single seater. It also looks like the americans will have to placard the panel with a much slower redline. I like this idea, but I think it needs a totally different airfoil like a ClarkY and 24 feet of wing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ArtVanwinterswyke" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:06 AM Subject: KR> Sport Pilot Hello All, My KR-2 is about 75% complete, I lost my medical but qualify under the Sport Pilot Class. If it is possible, could we design a wing, useing the standard wing roots, to put the KR within the limits of the sport pilot aircraft. I am not an aeronautical engineer, but am hoping, if I sacrifice the beautiful tapered outer wings for something a little more like the old Cherokee 140 cracker box wings, maybe I will get to fly my airplane. Could someone tell me where I could get this type of help. I think the KR is such an neat design and maybe with a little wing modification it would also be open to the Sport Pilot group. Just need to slow it down some and the wing modification could also lower the stall speed a little. Thanks for your help. Art avanwinter@sport.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:02:29 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Sport Pilot info... Message-ID: <20010616160229.26710.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, EAA has set up a new website dealing specifically with the proposed "Sport Pilot" category. Here's the link: http://www.sportpilot.org/ Unfortunately, the new link doesn't have the solid info on the NPRM, as the old one did. Here's what I THINK I remember from the original proposed rule: -No more than two people in the plane (2 seat or less) -Gross weight around 1100 lbs...don't remember exactly -Cruise around 100 knots/115 mph...don't remember exactly -Night flying NOT allowed I'll try to track down the "actual" info; if I find it I will post it here. Chuck PS...My gut feeling is that if you "de-KR" a KR enough to qualify for Sportplane, you'd be better off by starting with a different design. --- "Philip J. Visconti" wrote: > Art, > > Very interesting E-mail about Sport Pilot. Could you > please tell me where > you obtained info about Sport Pilot (License) ? > > Phil Visconti > Marlboro, MA > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for > less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:21:02 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: More Sport Pilot info... Message-ID: <20010616162102.6098.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all... I took this info DIRECTLY from this website, http://www.aerosports.org/sport_pilot,_osh00.htm so if it's wrong, flame them and not me, okay? 14 CFR Part 1 will be changed to define "light-Sport** aircraft". Some of the requirements are: 1232 lbs. gross weight 39 knots (I think this means max stall...CS) 115 knots "max cruise" (change from manufacturers review.) powered – single engine "normally aspirated" or unpowered unpressurized two occupants or less **excludes rotorcraft due to their complexity FWIW, there ya have it. If ya got issues, talk to FAA, not me. Chuck --- Stéfan_Balatchev wrote: > Why don't you use flaps on the stub wings, it should > decrease the stall > speed to the limits imposed by the Sport Pilot > license. Sorry, I don't know > well these limits, they are different than the ULM > in Europe. > > Stéfan Balatchev, > mailto:Stefan.Balatchev@wanadoo.fr > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ArtVanwinterswyke > To: > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:06 PM > Subject: KR> Sport Pilot > > > Hello All, > My KR-2 is about 75% complete, I lost my medical but > qualify under the Sport > Pilot Class. If it is possible, could we design a > wing, useing the standard > wing roots, to put the KR within the limits of the > sport pilot aircraft. I > am not an aeronautical engineer, but am hoping, if I > sacrifice the beautiful > tapered outer wings for something a little more like > the old Cherokee 140 > cracker box wings, maybe I will get to fly my > airplane. Could someone tell > me where I could get this type of help. > I think the KR is such an neat design and maybe with > a little wing > modification it would also be open to the Sport > Pilot group. Just need to > slow it down some and the wing modification could > also lower the stall speed > a little. Thanks for your help. 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