From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 8 Jul 2001 02:16:42 -0000 Issue 250 Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:17 PM krnet Digest 8 Jul 2001 02:16:42 -0000 Issue 250 Topics (messages 5877 through 5906): KR-net website 5877 by: Ross R. Youngblood Re: Insurance Minimum Requirements 5878 by: CHOCTAWCWR.aol.com 5879 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 5885 by: rme114.juno.com 5887 by: Frank Ross 5888 by: larry flesner 5889 by: Ross R. Youngblood 5890 by: Ross R. Youngblood 5892 by: Frank Ross Windscreen, Tiger? 5880 by: Rex T. Ellington Tacho wiring 5881 by: macwood Re: LOw RPM 5882 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com KR2 parts 5883 by: Joseph H. Horton Re: grumman windshield 5884 by: TERRY CHIZEK Re: flaps 5886 by: TERRY CHIZEK Re: grumman windshield - slide back 5891 by: Rick Hubka X-Ponder Antenna Question 5893 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 5894 by: Mark Langford 5896 by: Donald Reid 5897 by: Ross R. Youngblood 5898 by: Tom Crawford 5901 by: virgnvs.juno.com 5902 by: virgnvs.juno.com 5903 by: gleone 5904 by: Jean Veron 5905 by: cartera.cuug.ab.ca 5906 by: Mark Langford Re: Warp Drive 5895 by: Carlton KRNET website temporary link 5899 by: Ross R. Youngblood Builder Tips Section 5900 by: Ross R. Youngblood Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:30:52 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: KR-net website Message-ID: <3B3DE29C.486984F9@home.com> I just got off the telephone with Networksolutions. I've got some work to do today which should get the ball rolling with respect to the transfer of the domain to our new ISP. My job hunt sort of got in the way of me getting all of this done. It's a long story but the normal method of doing all of this via email would not work... -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:33:26 EDT To: rossy65@home.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: <5f.17747479.28772636@aol.com> wow, i finally recieved a post from the kr net, isnt AOL wonderful, one post a month, i am trying to get insurance on a project plane,aero mirage tc-2, that i need to haul on a trailer, so far no one wants to insure a load in transit, can anyone help. charles robison atlanta, tx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:37:53 -0400 To: "'rossy65@home.com'" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: About 8 years ago, I had "ON THE GROUND" only coverage and it cost me about $250 a year. If anything happened in the air, I would have been out of luck. They didn't require any time numbers for that, then. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: Ross R. Youngblood [mailto:rossy65@home.com] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 10:08 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements I've recieved feedback from my insurance agent that to get "in-motion" coverage for my KR-2, I will need 100 hours in tailwheel airplanes and 25 hours in type. I only have about 18 hours in tailwheel airplanes and perhaps 10 minutes of flight time in a KR. I was hoping for "in-motion" coverage just to begin slow speed taxi tests, and wasn't considering actually leaving the ground just yet. At the moment, I'm between vehicles that can tow my KR-trailer to the airport, but I thought I would get some advice from the KR netters out there. One thought I have is to purchase a cheap taildragger (C-140) and fly it to build tailwheel time, then sell it at 100 hours, but this doesn't get me 25 hours in type, and it will probably be much cheaper just to start taxiing around and fly uninsured initially.... -- Regards Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:23:13 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: rme114@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: <20010706.194256.-363869.0.rme114@juno.com> ON the Ground only coverage ??? Isn't that where most aircraft are damaged ?? Upon impact ?? That's pretty cheap per year ! Just had to ask..... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:41:25 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Cc: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: <20010707054125.16156.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know anything about this guy, just had saved this post from last time folk were asking about insurance. Sure think I'd be shopping around though Ross, and Charles. Good luck to you both. Keep us posted on what you come up with. Frank in San Antonio, TX Scott “Sky” Smith: Someone asked for Scott's number, its 800-743-1439. For those of you not familiar, he's a great insurance broker to work with for your experimental aircraft needs. Cheers, Rick Junkin Eaglegator@aol.com St. Charles MO SkySmith International, Ltd. dba SkySmith International Insurance Agency 2525 NW 71st Place Ankeny, Iowa 50021-9048 Voice (515)-289-1439 Fax (773) 326-0690 Email: ins@skysmith.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 07:26:42 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010707072642.0086bbc0@pop3.norton.antivirus> >To: rme114@juno.com >From: larry flesner >Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements >In-Reply-To: <20010706.194256.-363869.0.rme114@juno.com> > >At 07:23 PM 7/6/01 -0700, you wrote: >>ON the Ground only coverage ??? Isn't that where most aircraft are >>damaged ?? Upon impact ?? That's pretty cheap per year ! >> Just had to ask..... >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= > > >I'm not an expert on insurance but you don't buy coverage as >"ground" and "air", it is "hull, in motion" , "hull, not in motion", >,liability, and medical as separate coverages. I've always carried full >coverage on the Tripacer so I've not read the fine print but have >always assumed that once I start the engine the coverage would >switch from "not in motion" to "in motion". My policy defines "in >motion" as any time the aircraft is moving under it's own power. > >Several years Rick Junkin, KR builder in St. Louis , gave us the name >of Scott "Sky" Smith as a possible source for insurance. He is >an independent broker and will get you bids from all companys but >Avemco. I've gone through him for three years now and must say >he and his staff seem to be "first rate". Scott is not just an >insurance agent but a pilot and sport aviation supporter. He gives >talks at Sun-N-Fun, Oshkosh, writes articles, etc. I'm sure he would >be happy to answer any questions. If someone does contact him, they >might ask him to put a short insurance "primer" in an e-mail to them >and they could forward it to the KRnet. > >To contact him: > >Scott "Sky" Smith >1 800 743 1439 >515 289 1439 >www.skysmith.com or e-mail at ins@skysmith.com > >This is not a paid indorsement............. > > >Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 08:40:45 -0700 From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: "HEATH, DANIEL R" , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: <3B3F447C.2955F0D3@home.com> Daniel, I already have Ground only coverage, but my understanding is that it does not cover accidents occuring "in-motion". I pay $650 or so a year, and have $15,000 hull insurance against theft or damage in addition to the 1 million liability. -- Ross "HEATH, DANIEL R" wrote: > About 8 years ago, I had "ON THE GROUND" only coverage and it cost me about > $250 a year. If anything happened in the air, I would have been out of > luck. They didn't require any time numbers for that, then. > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@Scana.com > (803)217-9984 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross R. Youngblood [mailto:rossy65@home.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 10:08 AM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements > > I've recieved feedback from my insurance agent that to get "in-motion" > coverage for my > KR-2, I will need 100 hours in tailwheel airplanes and 25 hours in > type. I only have about > 18 hours in tailwheel airplanes and perhaps 10 minutes of flight time in > a KR. > > I was hoping for "in-motion" coverage just to begin slow speed taxi > tests, and wasn't > considering actually leaving the ground just yet. > > At the moment, I'm between vehicles that can tow my KR-trailer to the > airport, but I > thought I would get some advice from the KR netters out there. > > One thought I have is to purchase a cheap taildragger (C-140) and fly it > to build tailwheel > time, then sell it at 100 hours, but this doesn't get me 25 hours in > type, and it will probably > be much cheaper just to start taxiing around and fly uninsured > initially.... > > -- Regards > Ross > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 08:45:46 -0700 From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: Frank Ross , krnet@mailinglists.org, CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: <3B3F45A9.A20A2D@home.com> Frank, Thanks, my insurance agent is Scott "Sky" smith. I was looking for what other KR-netters are doing with respect to insurance, I don't believe that any insurance company will underwrite the risk with my experience level at this point, so my choices are: Ground Test Uninsured Sell the KR project Find someone to do the taxitests for me. Buy a taildragger or rent to get 100 hours in tailwheels. Then after I have done the ground testing, the same problem appears for flight testing. Frank Ross wrote: > I don't know anything about this guy, just had saved > this post from last time folk were asking about > insurance. Sure think I'd be shopping around though > Ross, and Charles. Good luck to you both. Keep us > posted on what you come up with. > Frank in San Antonio, TX > > Scott “Sky” Smith: > Someone asked for Scott's number, its 800-743-1439. > For those of you not familiar, he's a great insurance > broker to work with for your experimental aircraft > needs. > Cheers, > Rick Junkin > Eaglegator@aol.com > St. Charles MO > > SkySmith International, Ltd. > dba SkySmith International Insurance Agency > 2525 NW 71st Place > Ankeny, Iowa 50021-9048 > Voice (515)-289-1439 > Fax (773) 326-0690 > > Email: ins@skysmith.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: <20010707160555.5750.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Ross, I'm really glad you brought this up. I had not thought too much about problems with things like insurance yet, so it makes me realize that, like hanger space, there may be other things I'd better start looking at. It sounds like it might be less expensive and less trouble to switch to tri-gear than get that much tail-dragger time. My EAA chapter has a couple CFIs with tail-draggers that fly pretty inexpensive. Do you have any options like that out there? ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:00:53 -0500 To: krnet From: "Rex T. Ellington" Subject: Windscreen, Tiger? Message-ID: <3B45FCD5.E3E4F0DA@telepath.com> Happy Birthday (July $) all, From my file of emails, back in the spring of '98 there was discussion regarding use of aa1 Grumman windscreen for widened KR. Two of the parties were Terry Chizek and Austin Clark. Did either of them or others use this item. Last week, I went out to the airport and used a piece of cardboard to make a centerline profile of the windscreen on a Tiger. It has a nice centerline, front-to-back curve, is 42" wide (same as my fuselage). Has anyone considered using such with gull-wing doors? Nice price too. ~$200. Checked another one that is almost the same - a Mooney fuselage that was going to a rebuild project. Also very close to 42" wide. Comments please, and thank you. Rex Ellington Norman OK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:08:14 +0100 To: "krnet user group" From: "macwood" Subject: Tacho wiring Message-ID: <001801c1065f$dedbefa0$14303c3e@tinypc> ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C10668.26E398E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have lost my wiring diagram for the tacho circuit for my Revmaster dual = mag , Would some kind soul help me? = Thanks in advance, Mac =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C10668.26E398E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:11:07 EDT To: melloflyer@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: Re: LOw RPM Message-ID: thanks for your answer mellow flyer (Stanley) i guess i need a 400 dollar wall clock. yaa right dam it. hello Ed! need that prop. i hope my miss fortune and Stanley helps one of you guys your not going to get the rpms if you do not listen you willget bite after all we chose the climb prop it is suppose to turn up the vw is alow torq motor you have to be turning 3100 3400 to be making 60- 70 hp if im full of shit tell me! mac bb sport ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:11:38 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: KR2 parts Message-ID: <20010706.181139.-384797.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> William, Rand Robinson is very much still in business. I talked to her 2 out of 3 calls last week and she called me back once. I did tell her that some were having trouble contacting her and she said keep trying. She is in and out alot watching her grandchildren. She's closed on either Mondays or Fridays I don't rember which. So I usually call midweek mornings. The number I use is (714) 898-3811. Happy Building, Joe Horton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:01:13 -0700 To: "krnet user group" From: "TERRY CHIZEK" Subject: Re: KR> grumman windshield Message-ID: <000801c10680$72978e00$065786d1@r6t1n9> have not got that far but the grumman windshield at 199.50 dollers may work on the kr2s .I think the grumman was 43 " wide. terry chizek marion ks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:24:48 -0700 To: "KR-Net" From: "TERRY CHIZEK" Subject: Re: KR> flaps Message-ID: <002f01c106b3$4bac9a00$065786d1@r6t1n9> I took my flaps out and glassed over them and saved 4# and picked up about 5 mph on topin terry chizek marion ks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:01:02 -0600 To: "krnet user group" From: "Rick Hubka" Subject: Re: KR> grumman windshield - slide back Message-ID: <001201c106fe$23ed5220$1a94fea9@cg.shawcable.net> Terry... I'm not sure which Grumman you are referring to but... I would love to do my canopy like the Grumman Cheeta or Grumman Tiger which both have a windsheild and a slide back canopy on rails. Has any KR builder out there done this? It would be nice but I'm thinking it would be more trouble than it's worth and should go Gull Wing Style. Rick Hubka rick@hubka.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY CHIZEK" To: "krnet user group" Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: KR> grumman windshield > have not got that far but the grumman windshield at 199.50 dollers may work > on the kr2s .I think the grumman was 43 " wide. > terry chizek marion ks > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:25:15 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <20010707.132515.-283271.0.klw1953@juno.com> Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. Here's the problem-------When I was at Sun'n Fun 3 yrs ago I bought all of my instruments, gauges, etc. I bought a brand new x-ponder from Pacific Coast Aviation. At that time I told the salesman that it was for a KR2S and that it was a wood, composite construction aircraft. Well,after he sold me the x-ponder he wanted to know if I needed an antenna, I said yes and he brought out a small steel antenna about 3-4" long similar to what is seen on metal aircraft. I asked him if this would work with a wooden airplane and he said yes, the antenna will get it's ground through the coax cable. That being said the thing does work, but only about 10 to 12 miles from the airport, after that the controllers can't see me. How can I get this thing to send a better signal??????? Thanks to all that reply-----------------Kenny Keep it simple please. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:51:45 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <00a701c1070d$7dabb9a0$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Kenny, I did a little research on this several years ago, and ended up with a thin aluminum disc 5.5" in diameter glued to the inside of the fuselage (on the bottom, halfway between tail and cockpit) , with the antenna sticking out in the center, pointed down. I think that's what my transponder instructions said to do on composite airplanes, or maybe I got it from Jim Weir, but I got that number from somewhere. I don't think you can call a coax a ground plane, but what do I know? Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 14:47:53 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010707144351.00a054a0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_593710==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:25 PM 7/7/2001 -0400, Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: >Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. SNIP I asked him if this would work with a wooden >airplane and he said yes, the antenna will get it's ground through the >coax cable. That being said the thing does work, but only about 10 to 12 >miles from the airport, after that the controllers can't see me. How can >I get this thing to send a better signal The previous answer to this question was correct. I have a transponder that came from a Vari-Eze. The ground plane was a simple aluminum disk, with a radius equal to the length of the antenna. In the case of the Vari-Eze, it was located directly under the pilot's seat. The metal disk serves as both a ground plane and a shield for the RF signal. I plan on installing mine in the right wing stub. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_593710==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:56:05 -0700 From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B3F7245.5E9144F0@home.com> Kenny, I built a circular ground plane using aluminum foil, and traced out a coffee can bottom. I have not tested this yet, and it is probably too small a diamater. But you need to do somthing like this. I think Jim Wier's www.rst-engr.com site may have some more specific tips on this, as I don't recall the rule of thumb on the diamater for the ground plane. -- Ross Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. Here's the > problem-------When I was at Sun'n Fun 3 yrs ago I bought all of my > instruments, gauges, etc. I bought a brand new x-ponder from Pacific > Coast Aviation. At that time I told the salesman that it was for a KR2S > and that it was a wood, composite construction aircraft. Well,after he > sold me the x-ponder he wanted to know if I needed an antenna, I said yes > and he brought out a small steel antenna about 3-4" long similar to what > is seen on metal aircraft. I asked him if this would work with a wooden > airplane and he said yes, the antenna will get it's ground through the > coax cable. That being said the thing does work, but only about 10 to 12 > miles from the airport, after that the controllers can't see me. How can > I get this thing to send a better signal??????? > Thanks to all that reply-----------------Kenny > Keep it simple please. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 17:45:17 -0400 To: Kenneth L Wiltrout From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B4782ED.4B20@ufl.edu> Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle cutter. Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Flying N???TC Wings Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:14:17 -0400 To: klw1953@juno.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <20010707.202742.-239597.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Put some metal circle about the same radius as the antenna is tall under the antenna mount. Be sure that it is in contact with the ground side of the antenna, Virg On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:25:15 -0400 Kenneth L Wiltrout writes: > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. Here's > the > problem-------When I was at Sun'n Fun 3 yrs ago I bought all of my > instruments, gauges, etc. I bought a brand new x-ponder from > Pacific > Coast Aviation. At that time I told the salesman that it was for a > KR2S > and that it was a wood, composite construction aircraft. Well,after > he > sold me the x-ponder he wanted to know if I needed an antenna, I > said yes > and he brought out a small steel antenna about 3-4" long similar to > what > is seen on metal aircraft. I asked him if this would work with a > wooden > airplane and he said yes, the antenna will get it's ground through > the > coax cable. That being said the thing does work, but only about 10 > to 12 > miles from the airport, after that the controllers can't see me. How > can > I get this thing to send a better signal??????? > Thanks to all that reply-----------------Kenny > Keep it simple please. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:18:09 -0400 To: rossy65@home.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: klw1953@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <20010707.202742.-239597.1.virgnvs@juno.com> On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:56:05 -0700 "Ross R. Youngblood" writes: > Kenny, > I built a circular ground plane using aluminum foil, and traced > out a > coffee > can bottom. I have not tested this yet, and it is probably too > small a > diamater. > But you need to do somthing like this. > I think Jim Wier's www.rst-engr.com site may have some more > specific tips > > on this, as I don't recall the rule of thumb on the diamater for the > ground > plane. > -- Ross 1/2 Wave diameter, Virg K4VSC > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. > Here's the > > problem-------When I was at Sun'n Fun 3 yrs ago I bought all of > my > > instruments, gauges, etc. I bought a brand new x-ponder from > Pacific > > Coast Aviation. At that time I told the salesman that it was for a > KR2S > > and that it was a wood, composite construction aircraft. > Well,after he > > sold me the x-ponder he wanted to know if I needed an antenna, I > said yes > > and he brought out a small steel antenna about 3-4" long similar > to what > > is seen on metal aircraft. I asked him if this would work with a > wooden > > airplane and he said yes, the antenna will get it's ground through > the > > coax cable. That being said the thing does work, but only about 10 > to 12 > > miles from the airport, after that the controllers can't see me. > How can > > I get this thing to send a better signal??????? > > Thanks to all that reply-----------------Kenny > > Keep it simple please. > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 18:30:34 -0600 To: toys@ufl.edu From: gleone CC: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B47A9AA.5C2EE38@tritel.net> You can also use four radials equal to the antenna length. I would mount them into the turtle deck. It's a simple setup that I use on my 2 meter station here at home. Using a chassis-mount coax connector (SO-239), the center feed would be used for your antenna and the four mounting holes for the radials. The radio shack part number is 278-201 (or at least, that was the number). Install a set screw to ensure the coax fitting does not come loose and seal with a dab of epoxy. You could also just epoxy the coax connector to the fitting but I like to complicate things for myself. It's the engineer in me. Sorry! Gene (KF7TN), Worland, Wyoming. Tom Crawford wrote: > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. > > The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle > cutter. > Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground > plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. > > Tom Crawford > Gainesville, FL > N262TC Flying > N???TC Wings > Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:57:21 -0500 To: , "Kenneth L Wiltrout" From: "Jean Veron" Cc: "krnet" Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1071F.09391100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I used heavy duty aluminum foil glued to the floor. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Crawford Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 4:34 PM To: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle cutter. Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Flying N???TC Wings Mailto:toys@ufl.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1071F.09391100-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:38:00 -0600 To: gleone From: cartera@cuug.ab.ca CC: toys@ufl.edu, Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B47B978.3F150F2@cuug.ab.ca> Hi Gang, Everyone has their own way of making a very simple installation. Want to tell you how is did mine. Take a round tin foil pie plate and roll it out with a rolling pin, punch a hole in the center, should have a radius at least the length of the transponder radiator or 1x or 1.3x. Used contact cement and glued it to a 1/4" piece of plywood epoxied to the second crosspiece behind my back, I mounted mine upright rather that pointing down. Had good reports of a good radar image 40 miles out, so how's that for the KISS principle? gleone wrote: > > You can also use four radials equal to the antenna length. I would mount > them into the turtle deck. It's a simple setup that I use on my 2 meter > station here at home. Using a chassis-mount coax connector (SO-239), the > center feed would be used for your antenna and the four mounting holes > for the radials. The radio shack part number is 278-201 (or at least, > that was the number). Install a set screw to ensure the coax fitting > does not come loose and seal with a dab of epoxy. You could also just > epoxy the coax connector to the fitting but I like to complicate things > for myself. It's the engineer in me. Sorry! Gene (KF7TN), Worland, > Wyoming. > > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > > > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. > > > > The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle > > cutter. > > Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground > > plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. > > > > Tom Crawford > > Gainesville, FL > > N262TC Flying > > N???TC Wings > > Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:22:31 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <014f01c10754$d8d48c20$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> I should point out that there's a reason why people say to mount the transponder antenna on the belly of the plane pointing down. There's a lot of RF energy coming out of that thing constantly. I've heard more than one story of people flying their new planes but feeling sick after an hour or two in flight. Turns out they had the transponder mounted right behind their heads, or something similar, and upon moving the transponder antenna further away, their flights became a lot more pleasant. Maybe anecdotal, maybe not. I've seen actual data on how much energy is OK, and how much isn't, and transponders are pretty high. It doesn't take much distance at that wavelength to minimize the danger, so don't put it right behind you... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:53:27 -0000 To: "Philip J. Visconti" From: "Carlton" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Warp Drive Message-ID: <002701c1065d$b68b6b40$1448ef9b@telkomsa.net> Thks Philip and the rest of KR group, I have the details for Warp Drive Cheers Carlton ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip J. Visconti To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: KR> Warp Drive > Mac is right. If you lose E-mail, look at Page 155 of current Sport > Aviation. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:14:14 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: KRNET website temporary link Message-ID: <3B3FA0B6.E87BDCC9@home.com> Howdy KRnetters! I've successfully moved all of the www.krnet.org stuff to the new website. Network solutions has acknowledged the change of ISP for www.krnet.org to the new domain location, but it may be a couple of days before www.krnet.org is back up again. In the meantime, here is the direct link to the site http://209.235.102.9/~krn3249/ I spent a couple of hours and indexed the Perry 1998 photographs, so if anyone is interested in looking at pictures there are several that you might want to review. (Unsorted). Some of the links are broken on the site, if anyone wants to volunteer to fix them and send me the corrected pages let me know, I will be happy to post any KR contributed content assuming I don't have to fuss with it beyond ftping it to the site. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:28:03 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: Builder Tips Section Message-ID: <3B3FA3F3.2BDCA9B1@home.com> I was wondering if we could focus on enhancing the builder tips section of the www.krnet.org website. I don't have time anymore to do a lot of content generation, but I am more than willing to post links etc to sites people have with better content. I also don't want to use www.krnet.org just to post stuff I have on my KR website. So, if you have an intrest in collecting information on a particular builders tip topic, write some stuff up, including links to photos, and if you want some photos as well, and we can include it in the "Builders Tips" section. I'm really behind the power curve in keeping the www.krnet.org site up...but I thought I would throw this idea out to see if we couldn't create a builders assistance section on the website. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************