From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 10 Jul 2001 04:44:33 -0000 Issue 251 Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:45 PM krnet Digest 10 Jul 2001 04:44:33 -0000 Issue 251 Topics (messages 5907 through 5928): Ground Plane 5907 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout aoltest 5908 by: BABYWOLF.aol.com 5921 by: HEATH, DANIEL R Re: X-Ponder Antenna Question 5909 by: cartera.cuug.ab.ca 5910 by: Ross R. Youngblood 5911 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 5912 by: cartera.cuug.ab.ca 5920 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 5922 by: Ross R. Youngblood 5926 by: cartera.cuug.ab.ca Re: grumman windshield - slide back 5913 by: Rex T. Ellington 5914 by: Jean Veron Adverse Yaw 5915 by: POND CARTER 5918 by: Mark Langford 5919 by: Jerry Mahurin Corvair Engines 5916 by: Mark Jones Aluminum pie xponder 5917 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER www.krnet.org is backup 5923 by: Ross R. Youngblood Re: Insurance Minimum Requirements 5924 by: Frank Ross 5925 by: Frank Ross interface 5927 by: Allan D Olcott 5928 by: Ross R. Youngblood Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:35:38 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Ground Plane Message-ID: <20010707.223539.-330539.0.klw1953@juno.com> Thanks Guys, When something tweeks your interest you always come through. I got lots of good ideas. Thanks again---------------------Kenny N6399U ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:42:15 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: aoltest Message-ID: <73.fb13e79.28794cb7@aol.com> lost kr guy on aol --only two mesages this week ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:00:58 -0400 To: "'BABYWOLF@aol.com'" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: KR> aoltest Message-ID: Why are you on AOL? Why is anyone on AOL? I just signed up for 150 hours a month for 4.95 on ATT and the connection is quick with no hassles. Everyone complains about AOL, why, with all the choices we have, do people put up with that kind of junk? If it hurts, don't do it. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: BABYWOLF@aol.com [mailto:BABYWOLF@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:42 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> aoltest lost kr guy on aol --only two mesages this week --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 00:11:22 -0600 To: Mark Langford From: cartera@cuug.ab.ca CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B47F98A.6B83CE79@cuug.ab.ca> Hi, Your right at 24ghz it can fry. Mine was not right behind me it really was about half way down to the rudder, sorry if I misled anyone. I have been around a lot of RF and antennae are my forte in ham radio. But, still use the KISS. Happy Flying and Building! Mark Langford wrote: > > I should point out that there's a reason why people say to mount the > transponder antenna on the belly of the plane pointing down. There's a lot > of RF energy coming out of that thing constantly. I've heard more than one > story of people flying their new planes but feeling sick after an hour or > two in flight. Turns out they had the transponder mounted right behind > their heads, or something similar, and upon moving the transponder antenna > further away, their flights became a lot more pleasant. Maybe anecdotal, > maybe not. I've seen actual data on how much energy is OK, and how much > isn't, and transponders are pretty high. It doesn't take much distance at > that wavelength to minimize the danger, so don't put it right behind you... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:57:46 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B40D23A.AE09336F@home.com> This is too simple of a solution! cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > Hi Gang, > Everyone has their own way of making a very simple installation. Want to > tell you how is did mine. Take a round tin foil pie plate and roll it > out > with a rolling pin, punch a hole in the center, should have a radius at > least the length of the transponder radiator or 1x or 1.3x. Used contact > cement and glued it to a 1/4" piece of plywood epoxied to the second > crosspiece behind my back, I mounted mine upright rather that pointing > down. Had good reports of a good radar image 40 miles out, so how's that > for the KISS principle? > > gleone wrote: > > > > You can also use four radials equal to the antenna length. I would mount > > them into the turtle deck. It's a simple setup that I use on my 2 meter > > station here at home. Using a chassis-mount coax connector (SO-239), the > > center feed would be used for your antenna and the four mounting holes > > for the radials. The radio shack part number is 278-201 (or at least, > > that was the number). Install a set screw to ensure the coax fitting > > does not come loose and seal with a dab of epoxy. You could also just > > epoxy the coax connector to the fitting but I like to complicate things > > for myself. It's the engineer in me. Sorry! Gene (KF7TN), Worland, > > Wyoming. > > > > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > > > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > > > > > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. > > > > > > The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle > > > cutter. > > > Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground > > > plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. > > > > > > Tom Crawford > > > Gainesville, FL > > > N262TC Flying > > > N???TC Wings > > > Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:15:36 -0400 To: rossy65@home.com From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <20010708.171537.-296847.0.klw1953@juno.com> Well since I'm the one that started all of this I guess I'd better let everyone know what I've done. I went with the alum pie tin, rolled it out, put in the 1/2" hole dead center. Now I did have to relocate the hole on the floor of the turtle deck behind the seats because my last hole was up against a 5/8 cross member. Pretty hard to get a tin foil plate to lay flat there. I think I'll close the old hole with one of those push in plugs, that way if I ever need to run something through the floor the access hole is already there. I probably won't fly the bird till Sat. but I'll be sure to let everyone know how it worked out. Oh yea, the pie plate pancaked out to 8.5" dia, the antenna was only a little over 3" long.-------------Kenny (N6399U) On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:57:46 -0700 "Ross R. Youngblood" writes: > This is too simple of a solution! > > cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > > Everyone has their own way of making a very simple installation. > Want to > > tell you how is did mine. Take a round tin foil pie plate and roll > it > > out > > with a rolling pin, punch a hole in the center, should have a > radius at > > least the length of the transponder radiator or 1x or 1.3x. Used > contact > > cement and glued it to a 1/4" piece of plywood epoxied to the > second > > crosspiece behind my back, I mounted mine upright rather that > pointing > > down. Had good reports of a good radar image 40 miles out, so > how's that > > for the KISS principle? > > > > gleone wrote: > > > > > > You can also use four radials equal to the antenna length. I > would mount > > > them into the turtle deck. It's a simple setup that I use on my > 2 meter > > > station here at home. Using a chassis-mount coax connector > (SO-239), the > > > center feed would be used for your antenna and the four mounting > holes > > > for the radials. The radio shack part number is 278-201 (or at > least, > > > that was the number). Install a set screw to ensure the coax > fitting > > > does not come loose and seal with a dab of epoxy. You could > also just > > > epoxy the coax connector to the fitting but I like to complicate > things > > > for myself. It's the engineer in me. Sorry! Gene (KF7TN), > Worland, > > > Wyoming. > > > > > > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > > > > > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground > plane. > > > > > > > > The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or > circle > > > > cutter. > > > > Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your > ground > > > > plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. > > > > > > > > Tom Crawford > > > > Gainesville, FL > > > > N262TC Flying > > > > N???TC Wings > > > > Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > -- > > Adrian VE6AFY > > Calgary, Alberta > > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 17:29:41 -0600 To: rossy65@home.com From: cartera@cuug.ab.ca CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B48ECE5.5E567A72@cuug.ab.ca> Hey Buddy Boy, you know I would not pull your leg, gad when can I get that KISS principle through? "Ross R. Youngblood" wrote: > > This is too simple of a solution! > > cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > > Everyone has their own way of making a very simple installation. Want to > > tell you how is did mine. Take a round tin foil pie plate and roll it > > out > > with a rolling pin, punch a hole in the center, should have a radius at > > least the length of the transponder radiator or 1x or 1.3x. Used contact > > cement and glued it to a 1/4" piece of plywood epoxied to the second > > crosspiece behind my back, I mounted mine upright rather that pointing > > down. Had good reports of a good radar image 40 miles out, so how's that > > for the KISS principle? > > > > gleone wrote: > > > > > > You can also use four radials equal to the antenna length. I would mount > > > them into the turtle deck. It's a simple setup that I use on my 2 meter > > > station here at home. Using a chassis-mount coax connector (SO-239), the > > > center feed would be used for your antenna and the four mounting holes > > > for the radials. The radio shack part number is 278-201 (or at least, > > > that was the number). Install a set screw to ensure the coax fitting > > > does not come loose and seal with a dab of epoxy. You could also just > > > epoxy the coax connector to the fitting but I like to complicate things > > > for myself. It's the engineer in me. Sorry! Gene (KF7TN), Worland, > > > Wyoming. > > > > > > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > > > > > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. > > > > > > > > The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle > > > > cutter. > > > > Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground > > > > plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. > > > > > > > > Tom Crawford > > > > Gainesville, FL > > > > N262TC Flying > > > > N???TC Wings > > > > Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > > > > -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:55:01 -0400 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: You can use aluminum flashing. Cut it in a circle and glue it to the floor. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: Jean Veron [mailto:n4dd@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:57 PM To: toys@ufl.edu; Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question I used heavy duty aluminum foil glued to the floor. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Crawford Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 4:34 PM To: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle cutter. Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Flying N???TC Wings Mailto:toys@ufl.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 06:50:00 -0700 From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: cartera@cuug.ab.ca, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B41CD88.2CF4B288@home.com> Adrian, I like the KISS principle! I was being sarcastic about your solution being too simple! It was great. -- Ross cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > Hey Buddy Boy, you know I would not pull your leg, gad when can I get > that KISS principle through? > > "Ross R. Youngblood" wrote: > > > > This is too simple of a solution! > > > > cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang, > > > Everyone has their own way of making a very simple installation. Want to > > > tell you how is did mine. Take a round tin foil pie plate and roll it > > > out > > > with a rolling pin, punch a hole in the center, should have a radius at > > > least the length of the transponder radiator or 1x or 1.3x. Used contact > > > cement and glued it to a 1/4" piece of plywood epoxied to the second > > > crosspiece behind my back, I mounted mine upright rather that pointing > > > down. Had good reports of a good radar image 40 miles out, so how's that > > > for the KISS principle? > > > > > > gleone wrote: > > > > > > > > You can also use four radials equal to the antenna length. I would mount > > > > them into the turtle deck. It's a simple setup that I use on my 2 meter > > > > station here at home. Using a chassis-mount coax connector (SO-239), the > > > > center feed would be used for your antenna and the four mounting holes > > > > for the radials. The radio shack part number is 278-201 (or at least, > > > > that was the number). Install a set screw to ensure the coax fitting > > > > does not come loose and seal with a dab of epoxy. You could also just > > > > epoxy the coax connector to the fitting but I like to complicate things > > > > for myself. It's the engineer in me. Sorry! Gene (KF7TN), Worland, > > > > Wyoming. > > > > > > > > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. > > > > > > > > > > The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle > > > > > cutter. > > > > > Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground > > > > > plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Crawford > > > > > Gainesville, FL > > > > > N262TC Flying > > > > > N???TC Wings > > > > > Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > > > > > > > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:25:40 -0600 To: rossy65@home.com From: cartera@cuug.ab.ca CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> X-Ponder Antenna Question Message-ID: <3B4A0534.A9FF4730@cuug.ab.ca> Hi Ross and Gang, Hey man, no problem, did not take it as that, but just the same enjoy your comments! AC "Ross R. Youngblood" wrote: > > Adrian, > I like the KISS principle! I was being sarcastic about your solution > being too simple! It was great. > -- Ross > > cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > > > Hey Buddy Boy, you know I would not pull your leg, gad when can I get > > that KISS principle through? > > > > "Ross R. Youngblood" wrote: > > > > > > This is too simple of a solution! > > > > > > cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Gang, > > > > Everyone has their own way of making a very simple installation. Want to > > > > tell you how is did mine. Take a round tin foil pie plate and roll it > > > > out > > > > with a rolling pin, punch a hole in the center, should have a radius at > > > > least the length of the transponder radiator or 1x or 1.3x. Used contact > > > > cement and glued it to a 1/4" piece of plywood epoxied to the second > > > > crosspiece behind my back, I mounted mine upright rather that pointing > > > > down. Had good reports of a good radar image 40 miles out, so how's that > > > > for the KISS principle? > > > > > > > > gleone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You can also use four radials equal to the antenna length. I would mount > > > > > them into the turtle deck. It's a simple setup that I use on my 2 meter > > > > > station here at home. Using a chassis-mount coax connector (SO-239), the > > > > > center feed would be used for your antenna and the four mounting holes > > > > > for the radials. The radio shack part number is 278-201 (or at least, > > > > > that was the number). Install a set screw to ensure the coax fitting > > > > > does not come loose and seal with a dab of epoxy. You could also just > > > > > epoxy the coax connector to the fitting but I like to complicate things > > > > > for myself. It's the engineer in me. Sorry! Gene (KF7TN), Worland, > > > > > Wyoming. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone help me understand how to install a ground plane. > > > > > > > > > > > > The easiest is a piece of aluminum cut out with a holesaw or circle > > > > > > cutter. > > > > > > Make it AT LEAST as big in diameter as the ant. length. Your ground > > > > > > plane cannot be too big, but it can be too small. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Crawford > > > > > > Gainesville, FL > > > > > > N262TC Flying > > > > > > N???TC Wings > > > > > > Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Adrian VE6AFY > > Calgary, Alberta > > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:53:30 -0500 To: Rick Hubka , krnet From: "Rex T. Ellington" Subject: Re: KR> grumman windshield - slide back Message-ID: <3B490089.F3987473@telepath.com> Gentlemen: Poor communication obviously on my part. My vision on the Tiger component was to reduce cost a bit and get a tougher windshield to boot. My thought was to take the Tiger windshield, tip it back to come as close as possible to the profile of the nicer KRs, trim the bottom skirt as necessary, and then form a gull-wing canopy from Plexi. My question was whether anyone had done something like this, if so, what did the finished product look like. If this seems to be a reasonable approach, I will try to get more accurate data. One thing for sure, both the Mooney and Tiger windshields are 42 inches wide on a 42 inch cockpit. In reply to the question about Grumman (Gulfstream) information source. I checked Trade-A-Plane for June. My guess of $200 was a bit out of date. The Aircraft Supply page lists AA-1 Series for $ 243.60 (my A&P says the windshield) and $404.80 for AA-5 whole canopy). I will call them this week and check further. Thanks for your patience. Rex Ellington Norman, OK Rick Hubka wrote: > Terry... I'm not sure which Grumman you are referring to but... > > I would love to do my canopy like the Grumman Cheeta or Grumman Tiger which > both have a windsheild and a slide back canopy on rails. > > Has any KR builder out there done this? > > It would be nice but I'm thinking it would be more trouble than it's worth > and should go Gull Wing Style. > > Rick Hubka > rick@hubka.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TERRY CHIZEK" > To: "krnet user group" > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: KR> grumman windshield > > > have not got that far but the grumman windshield at 199.50 dollers may > work > > on the kr2s .I think the grumman was 43 " wide. > > terry chizek marion ks > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:16:14 -0500 To: , "Rick Hubka" , "krnet" From: "Jean Veron" Subject: Re: KR> grumman windshield - slide back Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C107EA.D677C640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rex Since you live just down the road I will offer the use of my windshield = mold. Martrin Roberts and I used 3/16 Plexiglass for about $10 and paid a= local plastics co. to heat and form it over the mold ( $60 ). If you are= interested let me know. Jean N4DD ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex T. Ellington Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:09 PM To: Rick Hubka; krnet Subject: Re: KR> grumman windshield - slide back Gentlemen: Poor communication obviously on my part. My vision on the Tiger component was to reduce cost a bit and get a tough= er windshield to boot. My thought was to take the Tiger windshield, tip it back to come as close= as possible to the profile of the nicer KRs, trim the bottom skirt as necessary, and then form a gul= l-wing canopy from Plexi. My question was whether anyone had done something lik= e this, if so, what did the finished product look like. If this seems to be a reasonable approach, I will try to get more accurat= e data. One thing for sure, both the Mooney and Tiger windshields are 42 inches wide on a 42 inch coc= kpit. In reply to the question about Grumman (Gulfstream) information source. I checked Trade-A-Plane for June. My guess of $200 was a bit out of date. T= he Aircraft Supply page lists AA-1 Series for $ 243.60 (my A&P says the windshield) and $404.80 for AA-5 whole cano= py). I will call them this week and check further. Thanks for your patience. Rex Ellington Norman, OK Rick Hubka wrote: > Terry... I'm not sure which Grumman you are referring to but... > > I would love to do my canopy like the Grumman Cheeta or Grumman Tiger w= hich > both have a windsheild and a slide back canopy on rails. > > Has any KR builder out there done this? > > It would be nice but I'm thinking it would be more trouble than it's wo= rth > and should go Gull Wing Style. > > Rick Hubka > rick@hubka.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TERRY CHIZEK" > To: "krnet user group" > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: KR> grumman windshield > > > have not got that far but the grumman windshield at 199.50 dollers ma= y > work > > on the kr2s .I think the grumman was 43 " wide. > > terry chizek marion ks > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C107EA.D677C640-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:35:57 -0700 To: kr From: POND CARTER Subject: Adverse Yaw Message-ID: <3B4934AD.75F1247D@home.com> Hello Knetters Does the KR2S suffer from much adverse yaw where more rudder is required. I am considering using the idea's in "Sport Plane Builder" book by Tony Bingelis on page 135 there is a drawing of a FRISE aileron that eliminates adverse yaw. I was at a COPA convention on the weekend. Very poor turn out for us experimental types. Great if you have a 1/4 million to fly around in or better. From the low winged birds I looked at there it seemed split, some use Tony's idea and others use Rand's KR idea. Still designing and thinking. Getting really close now. Thanks the KR net and the friends we have made here. Carter and Darren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:56:27 -0500 To: "kr" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Adverse Yaw Message-ID: <006601c10822$c029f510$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Carter Pond wrote: > Does the KR2S suffer from much adverse yaw where more rudder is > required. If you build the aileron bellcrank per the plans (page 65), the geometry of the holes is supposed to eliminate adverse yaw through the use of differential ailerons, hence the 20 degrees up, 10 degrees down shown on page 59... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:04:37 To: carterkr2s1@home.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Adverse Yaw Message-ID: Pond and All, The KRs have differential aileron movement built into the linkage that eleminates adverse yaw. If your linkage is set up correctly, the 'up' aileron will create a lot of drag because it really sticks out in the airstream, and the 'down' aileron will create less drag because it is not down very much. This differential movement will 'pull' the airplane around the turn. Most properly rigged KRs can be flown with your feet flat on the floor with very little, if any skid.... Just my .02 cents worth....... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC >From: POND CARTER >To: kr >Subject: KR> Adverse Yaw >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:35:57 -0700 > >Hello Knetters > >Does the KR2S suffer from much adverse yaw where more rudder is >required. I am considering using the idea's in "Sport Plane Builder" >book by Tony Bingelis on page 135 there is a drawing of a FRISE aileron >that eliminates adverse yaw. >I was at a COPA convention on the weekend. Very poor turn out for us >experimental types. Great if you have a 1/4 million to fly around in or >better. From the low winged birds I looked at there it seemed split, >some use Tony's idea and others use Rand's KR idea. > >Still designing and thinking. Getting really close now. Thanks the KR >net and the friends we have made here. >Carter and Darren > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:50:18 -0500 To: CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Corvair Engines Message-ID: <3B490DD9.8A5E14E2@execpc.com> Hello All, Yesterday I took a fellow builder to my engine source located in Milwaukee and picked up a freshly pulled running 1967 110 hp coded RD with only 42,000 miles on the speedometer for $100. A true find!!! He has sold all of his 110 hp to people I have sent to him. He said one gentleman in Texas bought three from him at one time. He does still have several 140 hp's and one turbo left. He also has all sorts of parts including a 140 hp taken down to the case and a set of 110 heads he said would let go with the disassembled 140 hp. If anyone needs his phone number just let me know. A really nice guy to deal with and if you are going to Oshkosh this might be the connection you need. -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:23:10 -0500 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: Aluminum pie xponder Message-ID: Most of what I've read seems to be going in the right direction, but... Make sure you mave a good electrical connection to the aluminum, which is not easy in the long term. A little disc of .025 aluminum will allow you to clinch down tighter on a star washer, which penetrates and forms a gas-tight seal to the metal. Even easier, go to RShack and buy a piece of PCBoard copper material for a better connection. Since it can be inside your plywood box hull, you can glue it down onto epoxy onto some little plywood box. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 07:04:40 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: www.krnet.org is backup Message-ID: <3B41D0F8.1F4A9E0E@home.com> I just checked this morning, and http://www.krnet.org is back online! We are paid up for a year, so unless www.icom.com is bought out by some other company we shouldn't have any more service interruptions. I now need to go after a refund of our ISP fees I paid to Teleport which should have kept krnet.org up until September. Unfortunatly they were swallowed up by Earthlink, so I will have an uphill battle with them I expect. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:16:01 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: RE: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: <20010709161601.9841.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> > Frank, > I had no, 0, zip, time in a taildragger as pilot in > command. I just got > some rides with a friend and he showed me some of > the ways it is different. > Find another way than butchering up your KR. > > Daniel R. Heath Thanks Daniel, I was thinking more of Ross's problem than my own. I'm already set up to go to tri-gear. He has a tail-dragger that he's having an insurance problem with. If I understood him correctly, he can't get insurance on his plane until he has 100 hours of tail dragger time PLUS 25 hours in a KR-2 taildragger. The 100 hours taildragger time is bad enough, but, getting a CFI with a KR-2, even in Phoenix, to get another 25hrs seems almost impossible. It is almost impossible to get a RIDE in a KR-2. In fact, you can go to Oskosh, Sun-N-Fun, Copperstate (if there ever is another one), Golden State (if there ever is another one), and still not see more than 2 or 3 KRs all together. Being ABLE to fly the plane is not the problem. Getting CERTIFIED to fly the plane is not the problem. Getting insurance on it may be. All I was saying was that things like hanger space and insurance sometimes are more trouble and expense than building and certifying the plane. Thanks again, ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:02:16 -0700 (PDT) To: KRnet From: Frank Ross Subject: RE: KR> Insurance Minimum Requirements Message-ID: <20010709180216.17377.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Good question. Wouldn't it be a good laugh to go through all that work to find out you STILL need 25 hours in type (KR tri gear) to get insurance? I'm betting if that's the case a LOT of homebuilders are flying 25 hours without insurance. Maybe that's why more builders are not saying anything? Frank --- "HEATH, DANIEL R" wrote: > I agree. However, if it really is that hard, how > could anyone ever fly a KR. > Is this also required for tri-gears? > Daniel R. Heath ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:44:11 -0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Allan D Olcott" Subject: interface Message-ID: I know its not friday but I have been trying to find info on how Rutan was able to use laptop in cockpit. was not able to find it in eaa web site. its not the laptop or the plane but the interface between the two any ideas thank you allan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 21:45:28 -0700 From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: Allan D Olcott , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> interface Message-ID: <3B429F68.7E250898@home.com> My impression at the time was that he used a simple RS232 interface. I don't think he would want to fabricate anything that might break in flight. I also didn't get the impression that the laptop was a fly by wire system, only that it provided graphical displays of engine and instrument readouts. This would be somthing where a micro-controller would collect all of the information on a PCB in the plane, then send out the information to the laptop which could update everything. Of course the micro-controller and PCB could be in the laptop on a PCMIA card, but then you would have to run all the sensor lines to the card on the laptop, which would be a real reliability hassle in my opinion. There are pressure sensors available for low cost and some articles on the web on how to build a variometer and altimeter out of them primarily for hang gliding and/or sailplane pilots. I thought about developing this, but decided the lab time to calibrate and prove out the instruments would keep me on the ground too long, and I wanted to finish my KR, so I bought regular instruments. You can get a cheap GPS for $125 from Delorme (probably cheaper now) and it comes with software for your laptop. There are also all types of nifty temperature sensors available from Omega at http://www.omega.com (I think that is the url). I think they may even have PCMIA data acquisition cards if you want to put the instruments ON the laptop and just run the sensors to it... -- Ross Allan D Olcott wrote: > I know its not friday but I have been trying to find > info on how Rutan was able to use laptop in cockpit. > was not able to find it in eaa web site. its not the > laptop or the plane but the interface between the two > any ideas thank you allan > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************