From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Jul 2001 21:33:27 -0000 Issue 257 Date: Saturday, July 21, 2001 2:34 PM krnet Digest 21 Jul 2001 21:33:27 -0000 Issue 257 Topics (messages 6056 through 6071): re:vacuum 6056 by: Mike Wolf Re: Intake vac. 6057 by: anthony soldano 6063 by: Richard Parker Suction source 6058 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 6061 by: Daniel Heath Re: project update 6059 by: Robert X. Cringely 6064 by: Guenther Bryce 6069 by: Ron Eason vaccum backup 6060 by: mac payne AILERON BELLCRANK 6062 by: Philip J. Visconti William Wynne - Assistance Fund - Update 6065 by: Larry A. Capps Re: flaps 6066 by: anthony soldano Re: BELLCRANK AILERON 6067 by: Philip J. Visconti Dorm Room w/ 2 beds avail for OSH 6068 by: House of D's Hard at it!!! 6070 by: Mark Jones 6071 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:55 -0400 To: From: "Mike Wolf" Subject: re:vacuum Message-ID: Since i havent decided on an aircraft engine or a conversion yet I am not sure i have much of a right to put my 2 cents in, however, if I were to install an automotive engine in my kr-2s i would look into using the vacuum pump ford f-250 pickup's use when they have a diesel engine. This pump is small and inexpensive is belt driven and the one I have dealt with is reletively light weight as well. The truck was a 1988 f-250 with the 7.3 liter deisel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:51:03 -0400 To: , From: "anthony soldano" Subject: Re: KR> Intake vac. Message-ID: <001d01c1109c$e8b98720$4eeb1440@compaq> to keep vac.at high rpm you will need a vac. canister and a one way check valve.you can use a set up from most automobiles.plastic canister or metal.most auto ac systems are vac.controlled and work this way. -----Original Message----- From: Bo124rs@aol.com To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: KR> Intake vac. >Answer from a lurker. > >I did initially install a nipple in the intake of 616TJ and it spun an >artificial horizon and DG quite nicely. The only time you won't have vac. is >at a high power setting. We have a secondary vac. installed on the Bonanza >that is STC'd and is exactly the same thing. The only thing you need is a >pressure regulator between the intake and your instruments so as not to >exceed vac. pressures of the instruments. > >Dana Overall >1999 & 2000 Gathering host >Richmond, KY >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:49:45 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> Intake vac. Message-ID: I have alternate vacuum in my XP. You have to remember that its altitude sensitive as well. at wide open throttle and depending on the barometric pressure and your altitude you may not have adequate suction. Richard Parker >From: Bo124rs@aol.com >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Intake vac. >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:00:25 EDT > >Answer from a lurker. > >I did initially install a nipple in the intake of 616TJ and it spun an >artificial horizon and DG quite nicely. The only time you won't have vac. >is >at a high power setting. We have a secondary vac. installed on the Bonanza >that is STC'd and is exactly the same thing. The only thing you need is a >pressure regulator between the intake and your instruments so as not to >exceed vac. pressures of the instruments. > >Dana Overall >1999 & 2000 Gathering host >Richmond, KY >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:10:50 -0500 To: "Robert Stone" , "Daniel Heath" , "Mark Langford" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: Suction source Message-ID: Of course, the suction ar full throttle, like cruise above 7500 feet, is NIL I think this idea sucks not. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stone [mailto:rlspjs@dashlink.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:46 PM To: Daniel Heath; Mark Langford; Krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> project update Taping into the intake manifold as a source of suction has been tried and it works. Of course carburetor adjustments must be made and a valve to control the suction pressure used but it has been tried and it worked. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "Mark Langford" ; Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:19 AM Subject: Re: KR> project update > This sounds awesome. Speaking of exhaust, has anyone ever experimented with > using the exhaust to get the suction to run air instruments? I have thought > about trying that, but if it does not work, no use re-inventing. > > Dan > www.eaa242.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: KR> project update > > > > Ned wrote: > > > > > I'm try to figure out how the NACA will be installed that you mentioned > to > > > help the exhaust ?? Mind telling me more? > > > > What I mean is that the wide deep part of the duct is the exit under the > > cowling, just below the firewall, and it narrows to a taper (converges) as > > it goes aft, while getting shallower, until the air is smoothed into the > > slipstream in the same direction and at something close to the speed of > the > > air that's moving over the rest of the plane... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 05:47:13 -0400 To: , "Robert Stone" , "Mark Langford" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Suction source Message-ID: <008101c11101$fffdb0e0$ee2b5d0c@scana.com> Yes, I have seen the intake application in operation. The problem that I saw with it is that it also leaned or richened your mixture depending on how much suction you were allowing for. The guy had an adjustable valve in the cockpit. It worked really well for the suction, but I am not sure that it was good for the engine. That is why I thought that if you could catch it on the way out, it might not have any affect at all on the operation of the engine. Put on an anti backfire valve and a suction control in the exhaust stream. I really wanted to try this on the Little Beast, but never got around to it, I may do it this time. Dan WWW.EAA242.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" To: "Robert Stone" ; "Daniel Heath" ; "Mark Langford" ; Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: KR> Suction source > Of course, the suction ar full throttle, like cruise above 7500 feet, is NIL > I think this idea sucks not. > > Ron Freiberger... > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stone [mailto:rlspjs@dashlink.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:46 PM > To: Daniel Heath; Mark Langford; Krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> project update > > > Taping into the intake manifold as a source of suction has been tried and it > works. Of course carburetor adjustments must be made and a valve to control > the suction pressure used but it has been tried and it worked. > > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Heath" > To: "Mark Langford" ; > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:19 AM > Subject: Re: KR> project update > > > > This sounds awesome. Speaking of exhaust, has anyone ever experimented > with > > using the exhaust to get the suction to run air instruments? I have > thought > > about trying that, but if it does not work, no use re-inventing. > > > > Dan > > www.eaa242.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Langford" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:43 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> project update > > > > > > > Ned wrote: > > > > > > > I'm try to figure out how the NACA will be installed that you > mentioned > > to > > > > help the exhaust ?? Mind telling me more? > > > > > > What I mean is that the wide deep part of the duct is the exit under the > > > cowling, just below the firewall, and it narrows to a taper (converges) > as > > > it goes aft, while getting shallower, until the air is smoothed into the > > > slipstream in the same direction and at something close to the speed of > > the > > > air that's moving over the rest of the plane... > > > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:00:34 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> project update Message-Id: The problem with that intake manifold solution is you have to throttle back to get enough vacuum to do anything. This is not a practical solution, since most KR's (here comes the grimly truthful part) spend their entire flying lives at full throttle. Even if you don't fly that way, knowing you can use your instruments OR get climb power is not a safe tradeoff. Bob >Taping into the intake manifold as a source of suction has been tried and it >works. Of course carburetor adjustments must be made and a valve to control >the suction pressure used but it has been tried and it worked. > >Bob Stone >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Daniel Heath" >To: "Mark Langford" ; >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:19 AM >Subject: Re: KR> project update > > >> This sounds awesome. Speaking of exhaust, has anyone ever experimented >with >> using the exhaust to get the suction to run air instruments? I have >thought >> about trying that, but if it does not work, no use re-inventing. >> >> Dan >> www.eaa242.org >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Langford" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:43 AM >> Subject: Re: KR> project update >> >> >> > Ned wrote: >> > >> > > I'm try to figure out how the NACA will be installed that you >mentioned >> to >> > > help the exhaust ?? Mind telling me more? >> > >> > What I mean is that the wide deep part of the duct is the exit under the >> > cowling, just below the firewall, and it narrows to a taper (converges) >as >> > it goes aft, while getting shallower, until the air is smoothed into the >> > slipstream in the same direction and at something close to the speed of >> the >> > air that's moving over the rest of the plane... >> > >> > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >> > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >> > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >> > >> > >> > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >> >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) To: Robert Stone , Daniel Heath , Mark Langford , Krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> project update Message-ID: <20010720172714.64378.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Robert, WW2 aircraft era used annuciator tubes to rout exhaust thru the center of a stainless steel venturi throat to enhance the differential pressure in the cowling to assist in engine cooling. The idea of rich fuel "back fire" in a exhaust driven vaccumn may be the destruction of sensitive instrumentation! --- Robert Stone wrote: > Taping into the intake manifold as a source of > suction has been tried and it > works. Of course carburetor adjustments must be > made and a valve to control > the suction pressure used but it has been tried and > it worked. > > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Heath" > To: "Mark Langford" ; > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:19 AM > Subject: Re: KR> project update > > > > This sounds awesome. Speaking of exhaust, has > anyone ever experimented > with > > using the exhaust to get the suction to run air > instruments? I have > thought > > about trying that, but if it does not work, no use > re-inventing. > > > > Dan > > www.eaa242.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Langford" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:43 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> project update > > > > > > > Ned wrote: > > > > > > > I'm try to figure out how the NACA will be > installed that you > mentioned > > to > > > > help the exhaust ?? Mind telling me more? > > > > > > What I mean is that the wide deep part of the > duct is the exit under the > > > cowling, just below the firewall, and it narrows > to a taper (converges) > as > > > it goes aft, while getting shallower, until the > air is smoothed into the > > > slipstream in the same direction and at > something close to the speed of > > the > > > air that's moving over the rest of the plane... > > > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:35:36 -0700 To: , "Robert X. Cringely" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> project update Message-ID: <000701c11203$30d21240$40151a41@Administration> Is anyone considering all electronic panel? You will save allot of weight. Most electronics are cost completive. Krron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert X. Cringely" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: Re: KR> project update > The problem with that intake manifold solution is you have to > throttle back to get enough vacuum to do anything. This is not a > practical solution, since most KR's (here comes the grimly truthful > part) spend their entire flying lives at full throttle. Even if you > don't fly that way, knowing you can use your instruments OR get climb > power is not a safe tradeoff. > > > Bob > > > > > >Taping into the intake manifold as a source of suction has been tried and it > >works. Of course carburetor adjustments must be made and a valve to control > >the suction pressure used but it has been tried and it worked. > > > >Bob Stone > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Daniel Heath" > >To: "Mark Langford" ; > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:19 AM > >Subject: Re: KR> project update > > > > > >> This sounds awesome. Speaking of exhaust, has anyone ever experimented > >with > >> using the exhaust to get the suction to run air instruments? I have > >thought > >> about trying that, but if it does not work, no use re-inventing. > >> > >> Dan > >> www.eaa242.org > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mark Langford" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:43 AM > >> Subject: Re: KR> project update > >> > >> > >> > Ned wrote: > >> > > >> > > I'm try to figure out how the NACA will be installed that you > >mentioned > >> to > >> > > help the exhaust ?? Mind telling me more? > >> > > >> > What I mean is that the wide deep part of the duct is the exit under the > >> > cowling, just below the firewall, and it narrows to a taper (converges) > >as > >> > it goes aft, while getting shallower, until the air is smoothed into the > >> > slipstream in the same direction and at something close to the speed of > >> the > >> > air that's moving over the rest of the plane... > >> > > >> > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > >> > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > >> > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > >> > > >> > > >> > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >> > > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > >> > >> > >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:42:08 -0400 To: From: "mac payne" Subject: vaccum backup Message-ID: <002001c110bd$305c4020$557f0618@ganvil1.ga.home.com> has any great designing mind out there investigated a retractable ventura arrangement... with some sort of shuttle valve... might sound like a Major Hoople invention, but for those times when you're up there, wishing ya were down here, who cares... macpayne@home.com M.C. Payne Gainesville, Ga. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:42:32 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: AILERON BELLCRANK Message-ID: <20010720.094236.-229827.0.viscan@juno.com> Can anyone tell me the maximum deflection of aileron bellcrank from its neutral position ? Either maximum angle or max. distance hole, that is connected to aileron rod, travels ? Phil Visconti Marlboro, MA ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:41:51 -0500 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Cc: "Squirrel_Net \(E-mail\)" Subject: William Wynne - Assistance Fund - Update Message-ID: <000201c11143$42c87900$0300a8c0@24.181.195.150> To All, A fund has been set up for William Wynne to deal with immediate expenses of his family and future medical costs. The money will initially be used to support his parents during the stay and provide for future expenses for William. Make payments to: William Wynne Assistance Fund Acct# 1010050910825 Address to: First Union Bank Port Orange Financial Center 3860 S. Nova Rd. FL2336 Port Orange FL 32127 ----------------------------- ============================= Blue Skies; Larry A. Capps ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:30:51 -0400 To: "Guenther Bryce" , "Robert Stone" , "Daniel Heath" , "Mark Langford" , From: "anthony soldano" Subject: Re: KR> flaps Message-ID: <001a01c1118d$2a465d80$4beb1440@compaq> hey guys when mounting the outboard hinge brackets to the ail.bell crank brackets.what size bolts? I was thinking an3.what did you guys using flaps do? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:58:36 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: Fw: BELLCRANK AILERON Message-ID: <20010720.225837.-184381.2.viscan@juno.com> --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Philip J. Visconti To: krnet@mailinglist.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:28:14 -0400 Subject: BELLCRANK AILERON Message-ID: <20010720.223823.-184381.0.viscan@juno.com> I have built the bellcrank in accordance with page 65 of KR manual. Also the bellcrank is mounted as shown in manual. However, I am not using cables. Therefore, I'm curious about the movement of bellcrank to get maximum "up aileron" of 20 degrees. In the manual, the top hole of bellcrank is connected to the top hole of the opposite bellcrank by a cable running in back of rear spar. Looking down onto bellcrank, on left stub wing, bellcrank moves to the left to get maximum "up aileron". How far does the hole move to the left from the neutral position ? Either angle or lateral movement distance would be helpful. Thank you. Phil Visconti ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:58:45 -0500 To: From: "House of D's" Subject: Dorm Room w/ 2 beds avail for OSH Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C111BA.F7A10A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due to a medical injury, unable to attend Oshkosh and use my room I have reserved at the University of Wisconsin. Will transfer it at my cost of $40.00 per night for seven nights. Two beds to the room. Linen provided. First Paypal or Bill Pay for $280.00 gets it. D. DuRossette Telephone voice 573.765.4849 Richland, MO 65556 durosset@fidnet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C111BA.F7A10A00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:20:03 -0500 To: KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Hard at it!!! Message-ID: <3B59D5E2.893F7DE5@execpc.com> GOD I HATE SANDING FOAM !!! -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:31:09 -0500 To: "Mark Jones" , "KR-Net" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Hard at it!!! Message-ID: You ain't got to the end of it yet, Baby! set that to music. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 2:20 PM To: KR-Net Subject: KR> Hard at it!!! GOD I HATE SANDING FOAM !!! -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************