From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 31 Jul 2001 18:40:05 -0000 Issue 262 Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:40 AM krnet Digest 31 Jul 2001 18:40:05 -0000 Issue 262 Topics (messages 6159 through 6178): Fuel consumption 6159 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout off topic: connecting DVD to TV 6160 by: Oscar Zuniga trigear conversion 6161 by: Oscar Zuniga Just got back 6162 by: Ron Eason 6163 by: Ron Eason 6164 by: Mark Jones 6166 by: gleone Re:No Kr's at OSH 6165 by: Richard Parker 6167 by: Lynn Hyder 6169 by: Daniel Heath 6172 by: Daniel Heath 6175 by: Ron Eason Re: KR-2S Flat Plate Area Equivilent Drag 6168 by: George Geometry of elevator control 6170 by: Daniel Heath Re: KR-2S Flat Plate Area Equivalent Drag 6171 by: peter Leonard Re: First Take Off -bad ending- 6173 by: FRED SMITH 6174 by: anthony soldano 6176 by: FRED SMITH 6177 by: Ron Eason potawatami Re.KR 2> Tom Livingston 6178 by: feral Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 17:58:38 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Fuel consumption Message-ID: <20010729.175838.-314065.0.klw1953@juno.com> Just wondering what some of you guys flying the 2100 Revmaster or any VW are getting for fuel economy? I don't think I'm getting the 3.8 or 4 advertised. Thanks, Kenny (6399U) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:30:59 To: corvaircraft@usm.edu, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: off topic: connecting DVD to TV Message-ID: If anyone can help with ideas on connecting my new DVD player to an older TV with a VCR, please email me off the list. Please reply to taildrags@hotmail.com, don't just hit 'reply' to this post! My TV is older and doesn't have all the "home theater" and fancy I/O ports, so I have to feed through or use a switch-? The manuals show a setup with either VCR or DVD connected, but not both. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:38:44 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: trigear conversion Message-ID: Since I know that John Bouyea rarely posts to this list, I think I'll just speak for him a little here. John is the KR nut that actually has 4 (four!) KRs in different stages of completion/reconstruction. He has taken his flying KR-2 with Revmaster and is converting it from conventional to trigear, with the Diehl kit. Wing pockets are open and he's awaiting the parts, and should have the gear installed (with a neighbor's help) in a little bit. While preparing for the nosegear mount, he found no fiberfrax between the wood and metal at the firewall, so he'll also be installing that as well. If anybody has any helpful hints or knows of any 'gotchas' with mounting the Diehl nosegear with a Revmaster engine, please chime in; otherwise, he's expecting it to be a pretty clean bolt-up. So, Bou- what are you going to do once you get all four of those KRs flying, plus the Cardinal? Flip a couple of coins to see which one you'll fly that day? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:08:14 -0700 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Just got back Message-ID: <002801c118a4$e0453660$2b141a41@Administration> Just got back from Oshkosh and found a lot is happening with aircraft parts and stuff. For example Jabiru has a 8 cylinder out now which has 6000 cc twin carbs twin ignition-magneto system wt.=230 lbs. and 180 H.P. at 2700 rpm and 200 at 3000 rpm, $13,900.00 now then, how fast would a KR go? Hummmm? Did not see one KRs which was sad, but all others were theri in numbers. A special Home Built area next to the main speakers arena was available for those that flew in along with special gifts just for being their. KRRon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:15:35 -0700 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Just got back Message-ID: <000501c118a5$ea35a820$2b141a41@Administration> See http://www.usjabiru.com/engines.html for a look at the engines. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: KR> Just got back > Just got back from Oshkosh and found a lot is happening with aircraft parts > and stuff. For example Jabiru has a 8 cylinder out now which has 6000 cc > twin carbs twin ignition-magneto system wt.=230 lbs. and 180 H.P. at 2700 > rpm and 200 at 3000 rpm, $13,900.00 now then, how fast would a KR go? > Hummmm? > > Did not see one KRs which was sad, but all others were theri in numbers. > A special Home Built area next to the main speakers arena was available for > those that flew in along with special gifts just for being their. > > KRRon > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:23:18 -0500 To: Ron Eason From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Just got back Message-ID: <3B64D325.C15E0024@execpc.com> Ron and Everyone else, I too was very disappointed there were no flown in KR's at Oshkosh Airventure this year. I am dumfuzzeled why we are so left out. I actually proudly displayed the KR logo on my shirt and hat as I walked through Oshkosh for two days. When I was in some of the booths and display areas such as Van's, Sonex, Zenith etc, I really got some strange looks and had a hard time getting most to talk which made me feel as if I were the RED HEADED STEP CHILD. Why does the KR name bring such negative response from most. I even find this at my local EAA Chapter and this is one reason why I have not attended a meeting in the last six months. The only KR at Oshkosh is a KR-1 which is on permanent display in the FAA Pavilion. Mark Jones Ron Eason wrote: > Just got back from Oshkosh and found a lot is happening with aircraft parts > and stuff. For example Jabiru has a 8 cylinder out now which has 6000 cc > twin carbs twin ignition-magneto system wt.=230 lbs. and 180 H.P. at 2700 > rpm and 200 at 3000 rpm, $13,900.00 now then, how fast would a KR go? > Hummmm? > > Did not see one KRs which was sad, but all others were theri in numbers. > A special Home Built area next to the main speakers arena was available for > those that flew in along with special gifts just for being their. > > KRRon > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:41:13 -0600 To: Mark Jones From: gleone CC: Ron Eason , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Just got back Message-ID: <3B657209.8488C02A@tritel.net> --------------D633A973660332505AFEA1ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received a message from "Electronic Supply Co" with the subject, "Homepage". You can get this message from virtually anybody. I happened to receive it from "Electronic Supply Co." There is an attachment, homepage.HTML.vbs. Before opening the attachment, I first went to the Symantec Homepage and did a search on this as a potential virus. The link is below and yes, it is a virus. In case any of you receive a message like this, especially from someone you don't know (i.e.: who in the hell is 'Electronic Supply Co'?), check it out first or you'll be sor-r-ry! http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.vbswg2.x@mm.html Just wanted to warn everyone in advance so you don't open the attachment. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming Mark Jones wrote: > Ron and Everyone else, > I too was very disappointed there were no flown in KR's at Oshkosh Airventure > this year. I am dumfuzzeled why we are so left out. I actually proudly > displayed the KR logo on my shirt and hat as I walked through Oshkosh for two > days. When I was in some of the booths and display areas such as Van's, Sonex, > Zenith etc, I really got some strange looks and had a hard time getting most to > talk which made me feel as if I were the RED HEADED STEP CHILD. Why does the KR > name bring such negative response from most. I even find this at my local EAA > Chapter and this is one reason why I have not attended a meeting in the last > six months. The only KR at Oshkosh is a KR-1 which is on permanent display in > the FAA Pavilion. > Mark Jones > > Ron Eason wrote: > > > Just got back from Oshkosh and found a lot is happening with aircraft parts > > and stuff. For example Jabiru has a 8 cylinder out now which has 6000 cc > > twin carbs twin ignition-magneto system wt.=230 lbs. and 180 H.P. at 2700 > > rpm and 200 at 3000 rpm, $13,900.00 now then, how fast would a KR go? > > Hummmm? > > > > Did not see one KRs which was sad, but all others were theri in numbers. > > A special Home Built area next to the main speakers arena was available for > > those that flew in along with special gifts just for being their. > > > > KRRon > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --------------D633A973660332505AFEA1ED-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:08:00 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re:No Kr's at OSH Message-ID: I believe the reason that Kr's dont abound at Oshkosh is because they are not a big moneymaker and people actually have to build them. let face it most of us prefer building than buying. We are more likely to ask a lot of questions and not spend much money. RV's sell so well because they are basically sold as "snap togethers" and their customers support a very large vendor base. They can sell to a much larger audience as it includes the people who probably couldnt and shouldnt build an aircraft from scratch. I also believe most builders still think that a metal 6 g aircraft is stronger than a wood 6 g aircraft. If I needed or wanted to make a living catering to the experimental market I'd jump on the RV "type" bandwagon as well. Richard Parker Peterborough NH >From: Mark Jones >To: Ron Eason >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Just got back >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:23:18 -0500 > >Ron and Everyone else, >I too was very disappointed there were no flown in KR's at Oshkosh >Airventure >this year. I am dumfuzzeled why we are so left out. I actually proudly >displayed the KR logo on my shirt and hat as I walked through Oshkosh for >two >days. When I was in some of the booths and display areas such as Van's, >Sonex, >Zenith etc, I really got some strange looks and had a hard time getting >most to >talk which made me feel as if I were the RED HEADED STEP CHILD. Why does >the KR >name bring such negative response from most. I even find this at my local >EAA >Chapter and this is one reason why I have not attended a meeting in the >last >six months. The only KR at Oshkosh is a KR-1 which is on permanent display >in >the FAA Pavilion. >Mark Jones > >Ron Eason wrote: > > > Just got back from Oshkosh and found a lot is happening with aircraft >parts > > and stuff. For example Jabiru has a 8 cylinder out now which has 6000 >cc > > twin carbs twin ignition-magneto system wt.=230 lbs. and 180 H.P. at >2700 > > rpm and 200 at 3000 rpm, $13,900.00 now then, how fast would a KR go? > > Hummmm? > > > > Did not see one KRs which was sad, but all others were theri in numbers. > > A special Home Built area next to the main speakers arena was available >for > > those that flew in along with special gifts just for being their. > > > > KRRon > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >-- >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 07:47:14 -0700 To: richontheroad@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Lynn Hyder" Subject: Re: KR> Re:No Kr's at OSH Message-ID: The reason there are no KRs at Oshkosh is because the builders and flyers of KRs don't fly to Oshkosh. As far as I can tell anyone is welcome. The choice of attending is a personal one. Birds of a feather flock together they say and it seems that KR builders prefer there own fly-ins. How many fly-ins can a person attend each year? Two,three? Some of us are lucky to get to go to one. I have been to fly-ins when less than twenty airplanes showed up and three were KRs. That was my lucky day. Lynn Hyder N37LH WA7YXF >From: "Richard Parker" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Re:No Kr's at OSH >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:08:00 > >I believe the reason that Kr's dont abound at Oshkosh is because they are >not a big moneymaker and people actually have to build them. let face it >most of us prefer building than buying. We are more likely to ask a lot of >questions and not spend much money. RV's sell so well because they are >basically sold as "snap togethers" and their customers support a very large >vendor base. They can sell to a much larger audience as it includes the >people who probably couldnt and shouldnt build an aircraft from scratch. I >also believe most builders still think that a metal 6 g aircraft is >stronger >than a wood 6 g aircraft. > >If I needed or wanted to make a living catering to the experimental market >I'd jump on the RV "type" bandwagon as well. > >Richard Parker >Peterborough NH > > >>From: Mark Jones >>To: Ron Eason >>CC: krnet@mailinglists.org >>Subject: Re: KR> Just got back >>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:23:18 -0500 >> >>Ron and Everyone else, >>I too was very disappointed there were no flown in KR's at Oshkosh >>Airventure >>this year. I am dumfuzzeled why we are so left out. I actually proudly >>displayed the KR logo on my shirt and hat as I walked through Oshkosh for >>two >>days. When I was in some of the booths and display areas such as Van's, >>Sonex, >>Zenith etc, I really got some strange looks and had a hard time getting >>most to >>talk which made me feel as if I were the RED HEADED STEP CHILD. Why does >>the KR >>name bring such negative response from most. I even find this at my local >>EAA >>Chapter and this is one reason why I have not attended a meeting in the >>last >>six months. The only KR at Oshkosh is a KR-1 which is on permanent display >>in >>the FAA Pavilion. >>Mark Jones >> >>Ron Eason wrote: >> >> > Just got back from Oshkosh and found a lot is happening with aircraft >>parts >> > and stuff. For example Jabiru has a 8 cylinder out now which has 6000 >>cc >> > twin carbs twin ignition-magneto system wt.=230 lbs. and 180 H.P. at >>2700 >> > rpm and 200 at 3000 rpm, $13,900.00 now then, how fast would a KR go? >> > Hummmm? >> > >> > Did not see one KRs which was sad, but all others were theri in >>numbers. >> > A special Home Built area next to the main speakers arena was available >>for >> > those that flew in along with special gifts just for being their. >> > >> > KRRon >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >> > >> > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >>-- >>Mark Jones (N886MJ) >>Wales, WI USA >>E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com >>Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >>http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >> >> >>To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:37:50 -0400 To: "Richard Parker" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re:No Kr's at OSH Message-ID: <001a01c11948$8fabb860$372b5d0c@scana.com> Do they still have the KR banquet at Oshkosh? I remember my last visit. It was the 20 anniversary of the KR. I started out to fly the Little Beast there and couldn't make any farther than Atlanta due to weather. So I went back home, got in my car and drove. I got there just in time for the Banquet. The gentleman who did the art work for Jeanette, and it was beautiful, had died that day during the KR fly by. I heard that they barely got it in, because the officials at Oshkosh practically ignored the KR people. The man died of a heart attach during the fly by. I wonder to this day if the stress of getting that event into the jammed schedule, contributed to that at all?? I also lost my very high respect for EAA on that day. I still hold the organization in high regard, but have not been back. I still hope to, one day, fly this next KR to the event as it is still on my "life's to-do list". Dan www.eaa242.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Parker" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: KR> Re:No Kr's at OSH > I believe the reason that Kr's dont abound at Oshkosh is because they are > not a big moneymaker and people actually have to build them. let face it > most of us prefer building than buying. We are more likely to ask a lot of > questions and not spend much money. RV's sell so well because they are > basically sold as "snap togethers" and their customers support a very large > vendor base. They can sell to a much larger audience as it includes the > people who probably couldnt and shouldnt build an aircraft from scratch. I > also believe most builders still think that a metal 6 g aircraft is stronger > than a wood 6 g aircraft. > > If I needed or wanted to make a living catering to the experimental market > I'd jump on the RV "type" bandwagon as well. > > Richard Parker > Peterborough NH > > > >From: Mark Jones > >To: Ron Eason > >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org > >Subject: Re: KR> Just got back > >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:23:18 -0500 > > > >Ron and Everyone else, > >I too was very disappointed there were no flown in KR's at Oshkosh > >Airventure > >this year. I am dumfuzzeled why we are so left out. I actually proudly > >displayed the KR logo on my shirt and hat as I walked through Oshkosh for > >two > >days. When I was in some of the booths and display areas such as Van's, > >Sonex, > >Zenith etc, I really got some strange looks and had a hard time getting > >most to > >talk which made me feel as if I were the RED HEADED STEP CHILD. Why does > >the KR > >name bring such negative response from most. I even find this at my local > >EAA > >Chapter and this is one reason why I have not attended a meeting in the > >last > >six months. The only KR at Oshkosh is a KR-1 which is on permanent display > >in > >the FAA Pavilion. > >Mark Jones > > > >Ron Eason wrote: > > > > > Just got back from Oshkosh and found a lot is happening with aircraft > >parts > > > and stuff. For example Jabiru has a 8 cylinder out now which has 6000 > >cc > > > twin carbs twin ignition-magneto system wt.=230 lbs. and 180 H.P. at > >2700 > > > rpm and 200 at 3000 rpm, $13,900.00 now then, how fast would a KR go? > > > Hummmm? > > > > > > Did not see one KRs which was sad, but all others were theri in numbers. > > > A special Home Built area next to the main speakers arena was available > >for > > > those that flew in along with special gifts just for being their. > > > > > > KRRon > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >-- > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > >Wales, WI USA > >E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > >http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:37:50 -0400 To: "Richard Parker" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re:No Kr's at OSH Message-ID: <000201c11950$2e665120$892c5d0c@scana.com> Do they still have the KR banquet at Oshkosh? I remember my last visit. It was the 20 anniversary of the KR. I started out to fly the Little Beast there and couldn't make any farther than Atlanta due to weather. So I went back home, got in my car and drove. I got there just in time for the Banquet. The gentleman who did the art work for Jeanette, and it was beautiful, had died that day during the KR fly by. I heard that they barely got it in, because the officials at Oshkosh practically ignored the KR people. The man died of a heart attach during the fly by. I wonder to this day if the stress of getting that event into the jammed schedule, contributed to that at all?? I also lost my very high respect for EAA on that day. I still hold the organization in high regard, but have not been back. I still hope to, one day, fly this next KR to the event as it is still on my "life's to-do list". Dan www.eaa242.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Parker" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: KR> Re:No Kr's at OSH > I believe the reason that Kr's dont abound at Oshkosh is because they are > not a big moneymaker and people actually have to build them. let face it > most of us prefer building than buying. We are more likely to ask a lot of > questions and not spend much money. RV's sell so well because they are > basically sold as "snap togethers" and their customers support a very large > vendor base. They can sell to a much larger audience as it includes the > people who probably couldnt and shouldnt build an aircraft from scratch. I > also believe most builders still think that a metal 6 g aircraft is stronger > than a wood 6 g aircraft. > > If I needed or wanted to make a living catering to the experimental market > I'd jump on the RV "type" bandwagon as well. > > Richard Parker > Peterborough NH > > > >From: Mark Jones > >To: Ron Eason > >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org > >Subject: Re: KR> Just got back > >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:23:18 -0500 > > > >Ron and Everyone else, > >I too was very disappointed there were no flown in KR's at Oshkosh > >Airventure > >this year. I am dumfuzzeled why we are so left out. I actually proudly > >displayed the KR logo on my shirt and hat as I walked through Oshkosh for > >two > >days. When I was in some of the booths and display areas such as Van's, > >Sonex, > >Zenith etc, I really got some strange looks and had a hard time getting > >most to > >talk which made me feel as if I were the RED HEADED STEP CHILD. Why does > >the KR > >name bring such negative response from most. I even find this at my local > >EAA > >Chapter and this is one reason why I have not attended a meeting in the > >last > >six months. The only KR at Oshkosh is a KR-1 which is on permanent display > >in > >the FAA Pavilion. > >Mark Jones > > > >Ron Eason wrote: > > > > > Just got back from Oshkosh and found a lot is happening with aircraft > >parts > > > and stuff. For example Jabiru has a 8 cylinder out now which has 6000 > >cc > > > twin carbs twin ignition-magneto system wt.=230 lbs. and 180 H.P. at > >2700 > > > rpm and 200 at 3000 rpm, $13,900.00 now then, how fast would a KR go? > > > Hummmm? > > > > > > Did not see one KRs which was sad, but all others were theri in numbers. > > > A special Home Built area next to the main speakers arena was available > >for > > > those that flew in along with special gifts just for being their. > > > > > > KRRon > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >-- > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > >Wales, WI USA > >E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > >http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:13:49 -0700 To: "Lynn Hyder" , , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Re:No Kr's at OSH Message-ID: <002101c1197f$96541b80$2b141a41@Administration> I also think it's a personnel choice. I to wore my KR stuff but I got no bad looks. In fact the EAA volunteers were very good to me [ one was building a KR]. For myself, when I fly mine up, it will be for representing the KR and it's history which everyone I know acknowledges. We should be proud of our planes. Their was quite a few Dragonflys their and other planes of similar size. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Hyder" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: KR> Re:No Kr's at OSH > > The reason there are no KRs at Oshkosh is because the builders and flyers of > KRs don't fly to Oshkosh. As far as I can tell anyone is welcome. The > choice of attending is a personal one. Birds of a feather flock together > they say and it seems that KR builders prefer there own fly-ins. How many > fly-ins can a person attend each year? > Two,three? Some of us are lucky to get to go to one. I have been to fly-ins > when less than twenty airplanes showed up and three were KRs. That was my > lucky day. Lynn Hyder N37LH WA7YXF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:35:38 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "George" Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S Flat Plate Area Equivilent Drag Message-ID: <02f801c11947$f518cc20$5a572ed8@megapathdsl.net> Hi Todd, Looks like I'll be the only one with the answer. Since KR's are highly modified airplanes the true Equivalent Flat Plate Drag Area is difficult if not impossible to calculate. To roughly estimate it I use following formula: 146625*HP*Prop Efficiency(0.7-0,85)/Max Sea Level Velocity ^ 3 The best method would be to do test flight and enter all data at http://hsweb.net/propellers/dataform.htm I will calculate it, and send it to Mark Langford to add it to his prop database. Of course all flying KR's are invited to participate and we can find out which one is the most or least draggy. To those still building their planes, that may be a source of useful information. If you decide to do that please be accurate as possible with your numbers. George george@highlandsystems.com New York > Hello KR Builders: > > Has anyone out there determined the Flat Plate Area Equivalent Drag for > a KR-2S? This number will vary between individual KR's and specifying > details like gear type, cowl entrance and exit treatment, canopy type, > gap seals, and any modifications of the plane for which you determined > the Flat Plate Area Equivalent Drag will be helpful. > > Thanks, > Todd Servaes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:47:10 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Geometry of elevator control Message-ID: <002601c11949$91c2bc10$372b5d0c@scana.com> I found this interesting. I am building my second KR. Both of them were partially completed when I started on them. We have converted the center stick on this one to dual and it is great, but a lot of work. We also put in a push tube to go to a bell crank behind the aft spar. When I shortened the cables and re-connected them to an arm of the same distance from the fulcrum as on the stick, I found some binding when trying to get full deployment of the elevator. Upon investigation, I found that the arm on the elevator is 3" and the arm on the stick was 2.5". As this should be a parallelogram, I thought there was a mistake made by the original builder. So, for the first time, I looked at the plans for this part. It was built to plans. Does anyone know if this is a mistake in the plans, or for some strange reason, it is supposed to be that way. If it is supposed to be that way, can you explain to me why? Thanks, Dan, www.eaa242.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:50:45 +1000 To: "George" , "KRNET" From: "peter Leonard" Subject: RE: KR> KR-2S Flat Plate Area Equivalent Drag Message-ID: Daryl Stinton's book 'The Design of the Aeroplane' gave some ball park figures and the method for calculating it. Excellent book regards peter leonard -----Original Message----- From: George [mailto:george@highlandsystems.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:36 AM To: KRNET Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S Flat Plate Area Equivilent Drag Hi Todd, Looks like I'll be the only one with the answer. Since KR's are highly modified airplanes the true Equivalent Flat Plate Drag Area is difficult if not impossible to calculate. To roughly estimate it I use following formula: 146625*HP*Prop Efficiency(0.7-0,85)/Max Sea Level Velocity ^ 3 The best method would be to do test flight and enter all data at http://hsweb.net/propellers/dataform.htm I will calculate it, and send it to Mark Langford to add it to his prop database. Of course all flying KR's are invited to participate and we can find out which one is the most or least draggy. To those still building their planes, that may be a source of useful information. If you decide to do that please be accurate as possible with your numbers. George george@highlandsystems.com New York > Hello KR Builders: > > Has anyone out there determined the Flat Plate Area Equivalent Drag for > a KR-2S? This number will vary between individual KR's and specifying > details like gear type, cowl entrance and exit treatment, canopy type, > gap seals, and any modifications of the plane for which you determined > the Flat Plate Area Equivalent Drag will be helpful. > > Thanks, > Todd Servaes --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:14:29 -0500 To: ron.martha@mindspring.com From: FRED SMITH CC: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> First Take Off -bad ending- Message-ID: <3B660675.83EC4C5B@bushnell.net> RONALD.FREIBERGER wrote: > My vote is "go for it". I'm aware of a few situations of pilots goofing > along at low speeds in an airplane they/no one has ever flown before. I've > made three "first flights", and will always try to get lots of air under me > and the runways in front of me, then learn how the a/c feels and behaves, > and what the instrumentation tells me at low speeds. Start off with plenty > of fuel, and stay up until you're comfortable ( if you can). Have a mind > set to save your butt if there's a problem, and the a/c secondary if > necessary. Ron answered me in regards to my statement that I was almost ready to test fly. I really felt more comfortable just lifting off and then back down. I probably would have been better off following Rons advice. Saturday, after getting back from Oshkosh, I taxied and then decided to lift off and then back down. My (over weight KR2S with a very good running 0235) gave me lots of power very quickly. In 200-300 feet ( 60kts) it came off the runway and I then nosed back down ok. The plane then left the runway again and climbed to 20-30 feet and the left wing dropped. I really feel most of the problem is not being used to how sensitive the kr is. I was not able to get it back right and hit the left wing then the nose and right wing. The motor was 30-40 feet from the fuselage on the right and the removable gas tank (full with 14 gals of gas was on the left about 30-40 feet . Back of motor mount was on fire and also lower engine cowling. Gas tank was intact and not on fire. (later did burn) got out quickly and just had several scratches and a sprained left ankle. Feet and legs were out in the air. Plane handled the crash well. I have pictures of before and after if someone could tell me how to post. I am glad the gas tank was made removable. Hard to believe my last 2 years (2000 hrs. ) is a pile of scrap. I had hoped to fly it to the gathering, but probably will not be going now. There is a definite feeling of loss. When I get everything sorted out I will be selling parts and pieces. I do not plan to repair or rebuild, but have enjoyed the effort and appreciate the help I have received from everyone on and off the net. thanks, fred smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:08:57 -0400 To: "FRED SMITH" , From: "anthony soldano" Cc: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" , Subject: Re: KR> First Take Off -bad ending- Message-ID: <000e01c11965$c30bb440$26eb1440@compaq> Fred sorry for your loss.at least your ok,even though you probably have heard that many times already and doesn't give much comfort.was your plane tri gear or taildragger? -----Original Message----- From: FRED SMITH To: ron.martha@mindspring.com Cc: Kenneth L Wiltrout ; krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: Re: KR> First Take Off -bad ending- > > >RONALD.FREIBERGER wrote: > >> My vote is "go for it". I'm aware of a few situations of pilots goofing >> along at low speeds in an airplane they/no one has ever flown before. I've >> made three "first flights", and will always try to get lots of air under me >> and the runways in front of me, then learn how the a/c feels and behaves, >> and what the instrumentation tells me at low speeds. Start off with plenty >> of fuel, and stay up until you're comfortable ( if you can). Have a mind >> set to save your butt if there's a problem, and the a/c secondary if >> necessary. > >Ron answered me in regards to my statement that I was almost ready to test fly. >I really felt more comfortable just lifting off and then back down. I probably >would have been better off following Rons advice. Saturday, after getting back >from Oshkosh, I taxied and then decided to lift off and then back down. My >(over weight KR2S with a very good running 0235) gave me lots of power very >quickly. In 200-300 feet ( 60kts) it came off the runway and I then nosed back >down ok. The plane then left the runway again and climbed to 20-30 feet and the >left wing dropped. I really feel most of the problem is not being used to how >sensitive the kr is. I was not able to get it back right and hit the left wing >then the nose and right wing. The motor was 30-40 feet from the fuselage on the >right and the removable gas tank (full with 14 gals of gas was on the left >about 30-40 feet . Back of motor mount was on fire and also lower engine >cowling. Gas tank was intact and not on fire. (later did burn) got out quickly >and just had several scratches and a sprained left ankle. Feet and legs were >out in the air. Plane handled the crash well. I have pictures of before and >after if someone could tell me how to post. I am glad the gas tank was made >removable. Hard to believe my last 2 years (2000 hrs. ) is a pile of scrap. I >had hoped to fly it to the gathering, but probably will not be going now. There >is a definite feeling of loss. When I get everything sorted out I will be >selling parts and pieces. I do not plan to repair or rebuild, but have enjoyed >the effort and appreciate the help I have received from everyone on and off the >net. > > >thanks, > >fred smith > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:08:46 -0500 To: anthony soldano From: FRED SMITH CC: ron.martha@mindspring.com, Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> First Take Off -bad ending- Message-ID: <3B66213D.99A3FF1B@bushnell.net> anthony soldano wrote: > Fred > > sorry for your loss.at least your ok,even though you probably have heard > that many times already and doesn't give much comfort.was your plane tri > gear or taildragger? Anthony, My KR2S was a tri-gear. After it took to the air I got back down ok. It did not porpoise or bounce. I simply let it get back in the air with to much power and then must have moved the stick to the left. It all happens very fast. thanks, fred smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:34:09 -0700 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> First Take Off -bad ending- Message-ID: <005001c11982$6d24b690$2b141a41@Administration> I am very sorry to here the bad news. It's good that you were not injured. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED SMITH" To: Cc: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" ; Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> First Take Off -bad ending- > > > RONALD.FREIBERGER wrote: > > > My vote is "go for it". I'm aware of a few situations of pilots goofing > > along at low speeds in an airplane they/no one has ever flown before. I've > > made three "first flights", and will always try to get lots of air under me > > and the runways in front of me, then learn how the a/c feels and behaves, > > and what the instrumentation tells me at low speeds. Start off with plenty > > of fuel, and stay up until you're comfortable ( if you can). Have a mind > > set to save your butt if there's a problem, and the a/c secondary if > > necessary. > > Ron answered me in regards to my statement that I was almost ready to test fly. > I really felt more comfortable just lifting off and then back down. I probably > would have been better off following Rons advice. Saturday, after getting back > from Oshkosh, I taxied and then decided to lift off and then back down. My > (over weight KR2S with a very good running 0235) gave me lots of power very > quickly. In 200-300 feet ( 60kts) it came off the runway and I then nosed back > down ok. The plane then left the runway again and climbed to 20-30 feet and the > left wing dropped. I really feel most of the problem is not being used to how > sensitive the kr is. I was not able to get it back right and hit the left wing > then the nose and right wing. The motor was 30-40 feet from the fuselage on the > right and the removable gas tank (full with 14 gals of gas was on the left > about 30-40 feet . Back of motor mount was on fire and also lower engine > cowling. Gas tank was intact and not on fire. (later did burn) got out quickly > and just had several scratches and a sprained left ankle. Feet and legs were > out in the air. Plane handled the crash well. I have pictures of before and > after if someone could tell me how to post. I am glad the gas tank was made > removable. Hard to believe my last 2 years (2000 hrs. ) is a pile of scrap. I > had hoped to fly it to the gathering, but probably will not be going now. There > is a definite feeling of loss. When I get everything sorted out I will be > selling parts and pieces. I do not plan to repair or rebuild, but have enjoyed > the effort and appreciate the help I have received from everyone on and off the > net. > > > thanks, > > fred smith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:35:05 -0400 To: From: "feral" Subject: potawatami Re.KR 2> Tom Livingston Message-ID: <000c01c119ef$8679ec60$931dacd1@farrell> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C119CD.FDA4A360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Testing ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C119CD.FDA4A360-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************