From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 12 Sep 2001 23:50:09 -0000 Issue 288 Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:50 PM krnet Digest 12 Sep 2001 23:50:09 -0000 Issue 288 Topics (messages 6871 through 6900): Re: Catfish dinner 6871 by: Mark Langford 6872 by: Philip J. Visconti 6877 by: bob 6878 by: Mike Wolf Todays events 6873 by: Garland, Norm F 6880 by: Peg and Mike Meyer A message from Mom 6874 by: Randy Stein Re: How fast? How fast with a Subaru EA-81? 6875 by: Randy Stein Re: Catfish dinner & Bryce 6876 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 6891 by: Benjamin Knorr Today's Events 6879 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 6882 by: BillStarrs 6883 by: Mark Jones 6884 by: Ron Eason 6886 by: BillStarrs 6887 by: gleone 6888 by: Mark Jones 6897 by: virgnvs.juno.com From a KR brother in SA 6881 by: Mike Mims Mom's view on today's events 6885 by: Randy Stein My thoughts 6889 by: John and Janet Martindale Lets keep this list related to KR's stuff. 6890 by: Richard Parker Re: From a KR brother in Brazil 6892 by: Leonardoadrenalina 6894 by: Guenther Bryce 6895 by: Screwy Squirrel 6898 by: Ron Eason 6899 by: Ron Eason 6900 by: Kr22278z.aol.com A sad day 6893 by: Al Friesen Re: KR STUFF 6896 by: Mike Wolf Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:28:10 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Catfish dinner Message-ID: <000701c13ade$bef87830$7000a8c0@athlon600> >... people died on this 09/11/01 day. I'm a Christian and > I HATE Muslims with pefect HATRED. Let's not start down this road. We are all saddened, but let's keep it to KRs and the occasional catfish, please. We don't need any religious or political wars on KRNet... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:15:14 -0400 To: guentheraviator@YAHOO.COM From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: norm.f.garland@lmco.com, flykr2s@execpc.com, brownww@cadvision.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Catfish dinner Message-ID: <20010911.131515.-296635.0.viscan@juno.com> Is Israel a racist nation ? Is this revengeful attack against US because the US supports Israel in their attacks agains Arabs ??? Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:32:31 -0400 To: "Guenther Bryce" , "Garland, Norm F" , "'Mark Jones'" , "Winston Brown" From: "bob" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Catfish dinner Message-ID: <003701c13af8$811015e0$02000003@i4t4j9> NOT HERE! ALL NYC citizens have banned togather to help thoes that are victoms, we to should help regardless of race creed or religious commitment, this is am attack on America not on just one religious group or race but all of America Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:09:29 -0400 To: "bob" , "Guenther Bryce" , "Garland, Norm F" , "'Mark Jones'" , "Winston Brown" From: "Mike Wolf" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Catfish dinner Message-ID: Why cant the cockpits on ATP aircraft be made impenetrable after take-off. If there was no way to get at the cockpit this couldnt have happened. -----Original Message----- From: bob [mailto:represt3@digital-link.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:33 PM To: Guenther Bryce; Garland, Norm F; 'Mark Jones'; Winston Brown Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Catfish dinner NOT HERE! ALL NYC citizens have banned togather to help thoes that are victoms, we to should help regardless of race creed or religious commitment, this is am attack on America not on just one religious group or race but all of America Bob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:28:34 -0400 To: "'Philip J. Visconti'" , "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Garland, Norm F" Subject: Todays events Message-id: <322D26F4E94CD5118F560008C7E65E4A02A1C854@emss03m07.orl.lmco.com> Please as Mark L. said keep the politics off of the KR net. The tragedy today is that in our free country people (of unknown race, color and religion) would take advantage of our freedoms to force their issues on innocent unsuspecting people. Even worse is the realization that the method used was a vehicle that each one of us enjoy. From this day forward every time an airplane takes to the sky people on the ground will remember this day. This is not only a black day for the country but for aviation. Again I ask that politics stay off the net and that each one of us would spend time thinking of the many victims that won't be going home tonight. Thanks, Norm F. Garland Jr > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip J. Visconti [SMTP:viscan@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:15 PM > To: guentheraviator@YAHOO.COM > Cc: norm.f.garland@lmco.com; flykr2s@execpc.com; brownww@cadvision.com; > krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Catfish dinner > > Is Israel a racist nation ? Is this revengeful attack against US because > the US supports Israel in their attacks agains Arabs ??? > > Phil > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:26:42 -0500 To: "Garland, Norm F" , "'Philip J. Visconti'" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Peg and Mike Meyer Subject: Re: KR> Todays events Message-id: <006b01c13b08$739f9560$4271fea9@o0c8u6> I am an American Airlines pilot and the events of today have place in an area someplace beyond shock. I just finished reading a thread were someone mentioned "perfect hatred" and I felt as sick as I did watching that Airbus slam into the World Trade Towers. If anyone thinks that something positive or relevant is going to be accomplished by arbitarily condemming ANY race, color, or religion, then they're smoking crack. Let's all just stay cool and let not let this destroy our confidence in our nation and the system. To be sure, whoever did this will have hell to pay, but for God's sake let's not indict the other 99.999999% of the people out there just trying to get on with their lives. (Believe me, I've been around the world, and the Muslims in Turkey are the nicest, most peace-loving people you could ever meet...) If you really want to help, then donate blood. There will be a tremendous demand for it in the upcoming weeks. And whatever your religious persausion, pray for my airline brothers and the faceless thousands who died today. Mike Meyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garland, Norm F" To: "'Philip J. Visconti'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: KR> Todays events > Please as Mark L. said keep the politics off of the KR net. > > The tragedy today is that in our free country people (of unknown race, color > and religion) would take advantage of our freedoms to force their issues on > innocent unsuspecting people. Even worse is the realization that the method > used was a vehicle that each one of us enjoy. From this day forward every > time an airplane takes to the sky people on the ground will remember this > day. > This is not only a black day for the country but for aviation. > > Again I ask that politics stay off the net and that each one of us would > spend time thinking of the many victims that won't be going home tonight. > > Thanks, > > Norm F. Garland Jr > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Philip J. Visconti [SMTP:viscan@juno.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:15 PM > > To: guentheraviator@YAHOO.COM > > Cc: norm.f.garland@lmco.com; flykr2s@execpc.com; brownww@cadvision.com; > > krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Catfish dinner > > > > Is Israel a racist nation ? Is this revengeful attack against US because > > the US supports Israel in their attacks agains Arabs ??? > > > > Phil > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:09:03 -0700 To: From: "Randy Stein" Subject: A message from Mom Message-ID: <001f01c13aec$d74fab20$31b01818@we.mediaone.net> Folks: I tend to stay out of the SandBox. This is a dark day for Aviation. I am in no mood for racisim, religion or any other type of bashing on KRNet today. Just think of it as Mom's "time of the month" and you all had better fly straight and narrow or risk being bumped off of KRNet just "because of my foul mood." Randy "Mom" Stein PS - Got a problem with my attitude? Email me offnet and we can discuss it--but you had better bring plenty of bandages with you 'cause you'll likely need 'em when I get done with you... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:18:02 -0700 To: "mike" From: "Randy Stein" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> How fast? How fast with a Subaru EA-81? Message-ID: <004101c13aee$18c55ea0$31b01818@we.mediaone.net> Mike: Mike may still be on the list, so I will only mention he told me his family related priorities changed and he could not justify the expense of continuing to work on the Pig. He parted with it with much regret. Randy Stein ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Re: KR> How fast? How fast with a Subaru EA-81? > I sure hope that our KR brethern will be sure to share their experiences > with the rest of us "newbies" as to the preformance achieved with the > different powerplants and different aerodynamic changes such as the new > airfoil. I may have found a powerplant for my own project, still yet I will > be very curious as to how the different KR's do. I will be going to FLA to > look at an O-200 this weekend and if it looks good I will bring it home. > BTW, I found a KR2S for sale and learned that it is one that Mike Mimms had > built motor and all the guy was asking 9500$, I cant help but wonder why > Mike would part with it, anyone know? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: KR> How fast? How fast with a Subaru EA-81? > > > > Gang, > > My Subaru EA-81 is almost finished being rebuilt and should be in the 85 > HP > > range. Are there any KR-2's with this engine? What input does the group > have > > on direct drive with a ground adjustable prop? > > Thanks in advance > > Milo > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:31:53 -0500 To: "Guenther Bryce" , "Garland, Norm F" , "'Mark Jones'" , "Winston Brown" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Catfish dinner & Bryce Message-ID: I think it would be appropriate for Guenther to NOT attend the Fly-in. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Guenther Bryce [mailto:guentheraviator@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:04 AM To: Garland, Norm F; 'Mark Jones'; Winston Brown Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Catfish dinner Well its a SAD day in America after the Terrorist attacking New York and Washington D.C. and so many people died on this 09/11/01 day. I'm a Christian and I HATE Muslims with pefect HATRED. I don't like Terrorist and if any Muslim comes to the KR gathering I will let them KNOW it! Bryce Guenther --- "Garland, Norm F" wrote: > And the best Hush puppies are made with a BEER > batter. Unfortunately the > alcohol cooks out but the flavor is GREAT! > > > Norm F. Garland Jr > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Jones [SMTP:flykr2s@execpc.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:47 PM > > To: Winston Brown > > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Catfish dinner > > > > Hello Winston, > > I will chime in on this one. Hush Puppies are a > Southern Delicacy. They > > are mostly served with fish dinners and can be > made with numerous > > ingredients for different taste. Just about every > fish restaurant has > > their own secrete recipe for Hush Puppies. The > basic Hush Puppy is simply > > a rolled ball of batter which is deep fried to a > crisp golden brown. > > Definitely a true food for the dieter or those > with cholesterol problems. > > People add > onions...garlic...cheese...peppers...and just about > anything > > you can imagine to spice up that little ball of > batter. If you are coming > > to the Gathering, you must make it a point to try > it. Makes me want that > > Catfish even more just typing this. > > Mark Jones > > > > > > Winston Brown wrote: > > > > > Hi Chuck > > > > > > Could you please enlighten me and all of us > > > above the 49th parallel what a HUSH PUPPY is > > > > > > Winston > > > Calgary > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so > use some other system! > > > > -- > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:31:46 -0600 To: , From: "Benjamin Knorr" Subject: Re: KR> Catfish dinner & Bryce Message-Id: How about hatred for the whole concept of Jihad? =20 Or are you too ignorant to know what that means? Hmm..... Just scratchbuilding a new desk... it can't fly, but it's a step closer to = a KR....=20 -Ben Knorr Computer Support Technician Westminster College, Salt Lake City UT -----Original Message----- From: Guenther Bryce [mailto:guentheraviator@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:04 AM To: Garland, Norm F; 'Mark Jones'; Winston Brown Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Catfish dinner Well its a SAD day in America after the Terrorist attacking New York and Washington D.C. and so many people died on this 09/11/01 day. I'm a Christian and I HATE Muslims with pefect HATRED. I don't like Terrorist and if any Muslim comes to the KR gathering I will let them KNOW it! Bryce Guenther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:11:24 -0500 (CDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: Subject: Today's Events Message-Id: <200109112111.QAA93088@nm2.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> You guys just don't get it do you? This is a KR NET and not anything else. All of ou have been asked by the NET MOM to not post concerning today's events. So what's the problem? Why do these post keep appearing? Please let this be the last one. Mark Jones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:02:35 -0700 To: , "KR-net" From: "BillStarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events Message-ID: <004001c13b26$9fd02960$02defea9@bstarrs> Mark YOU just don't get it there are things that bind us together besides air planes and when things happen as they did to day there is a deep seated need to express our selves to our fellow pilots and for any one to set himself up as the grand censor on this net and tell us we can't talk-about it is WAY out of line. You shoud apologize for your arogence. . Bill Starrs---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: KR> Today's Events > You guys just don't get it do you? This is a KR NET and not anything > else. All of ou have been asked by the NET MOM to not post concerning > today's events. So what's the problem? Why do these post keep > appearing? Please let this be the last one. > Mark Jones > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:52:33 -0500 To: BillStarrs From: Mark Jones CC: KR-net Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events Message-ID: <3B9EBFE1.35EAD100@execpc.com> Bill, You have attacked me more than once and I am not in the mood to argue with you. You do not know JACK about me nor do you know that I am probably on of the most caring and compassionate members on this as I have gone out of my way to help many KR builders at my expense a lot of times, but then I do not know JACK either. If you have a personal vengeance against me I do not feel the Net is a place to vent your feelings. This is why others have asked not to discuss today's events on the net as this is reserved for KR information and discussions. By the way Bill, I had a brother-in-law in Manhatten today and you can believe I have fought back the tears most likely a hell of a lot more than you have today. Now I am getting mad so I will shut up now. MARK JONES and I will be at the Gathering BillStarrs wrote: > Mark YOU just don't get it there are things that bind us together besides > air planes and when things happen as they did to day there is a deep seated > need to express our selves to our fellow pilots and for any one to set > himself up as the grand censor on this net and tell us we can't talk-about > it is WAY out of line. You shoud apologize for your arogence. . Bill > Starrs---- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM > Subject: KR> Today's Events > > > You guys just don't get it do you? This is a KR NET and not anything > > else. All of ou have been asked by the NET MOM to not post concerning > > today's events. So what's the problem? Why do these post keep > > appearing? Please let this be the last one. > > Mark Jones > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:09:33 -0700 To: "BillStarrs" , , "KR-net" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events Message-ID: <001701c13b40$be7e0480$c8621e41@Administration> Good point. I did not think of it that way. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "BillStarrs" To: ; "KR-net" Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events > Mark YOU just don't get it there are things that bind us together besides > air planes and when things happen as they did to day there is a deep seated > need to express our selves to our fellow pilots and for any one to set > himself up as the grand censor on this net and tell us we can't talk-about > it is WAY out of line. You shoud apologize for your arogence. . Bill > Starrs---- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM > Subject: KR> Today's Events > > > > You guys just don't get it do you? This is a KR NET and not anything > > else. All of ou have been asked by the NET MOM to not post concerning > > today's events. So what's the problem? Why do these post keep > > appearing? Please let this be the last one. > > Mark Jones > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:58:22 -0700 To: "Mark Jones" From: "BillStarrs" Cc: "KR-net" Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events Message-ID: <001601c13b3f$2befd180$02defea9@bstarrs> Mark, Just because I disagree with you does not mean that I have a personal vengeance against you or any one else. I know that you have helped many people with their projects and we all thank you for that. It is just that I think no one has the right to tell any one else what that they can or can not say as long as it does not get out of hand as it has on several occasions. When that happens we say" this has gone far enough lets just change the subject",and let it go at that. In Friendship, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "BillStarrs" Cc: "KR-net" Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events > Bill, > You have attacked me more than once and I am not in the mood to argue with you. > You do not know JACK about me nor do you know that I am probably on of the most > caring and compassionate members on this as I have gone out of my way to help > many KR builders at my expense a lot of times, but then I do not know JACK > either. If you have a personal vengeance against me I do not feel the Net is a > place to vent your feelings. This is why others have asked not to discuss > today's events on the net as this is reserved for KR information and > discussions. > By the way Bill, I had a brother-in-law in Manhatten today and you can believe > I have fought back the tears most likely a hell of a lot more than you have > today. Now I am getting mad so I will shut up now. > MARK JONES and I will be at the Gathering > > BillStarrs wrote: > > > Mark YOU just don't get it there are things that bind us together besides > > air planes and when things happen as they did to day there is a deep seated > > need to express our selves to our fellow pilots and for any one to set > > himself up as the grand censor on this net and tell us we can't talk-about > > it is WAY out of line. You shoud apologize for your arogence. . Bill > > Starrs---- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM > > Subject: KR> Today's Events > > > > > You guys just don't get it do you? This is a KR NET and not anything > > > else. All of ou have been asked by the NET MOM to not post concerning > > > today's events. So what's the problem? Why do these post keep > > > appearing? Please let this be the last one. > > > Mark Jones > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:26:37 -0600 To: Mark Jones From: gleone CC: BillStarrs , KR-net Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events Message-ID: <3B9EF20D.459EA41D@tritel.net> --------------24515AC5DBEE38A9CAE68090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ENOUGH OF THESE VILLAGE IDIOTS FIGHTING THEIR UN-HOLY WARS ON THE KR-NET! THERE ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH FORUMS AVAILABLE TO SPOUT OFF ALL YOU WANT ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT! MY ONLY INTEREST WITH THIS NET IS AIRCRAFT DESIGN, BUILDING TECHNIQUES AND YES, THE KR SERIES OF PLANES! QUIT! STOP! CEASE AND DESIST! EITHER TALK AIRCRAFT OR GO ELSEWHERE, PERMANENTLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Mark Jones wrote: > Bill, > You have attacked me more than once and I am not in the mood to argue with you. > You do not know JACK about me nor do you know that I am probably on of the most > caring and compassionate members on this as I have gone out of my way to help > many KR builders at my expense a lot of times, but then I do not know JACK > either. If you have a personal vengeance against me I do not feel the Net is a > place to vent your feelings. This is why others have asked not to discuss > today's events on the net as this is reserved for KR information and > discussions. > By the way Bill, I had a brother-in-law in Manhatten today and you can believe > I have fought back the tears most likely a hell of a lot more than you have > today. Now I am getting mad so I will shut up now. > MARK JONES and I will be at the Gathering > > BillStarrs wrote: > > > Mark YOU just don't get it there are things that bind us together besides > > air planes and when things happen as they did to day there is a deep seated > > need to express our selves to our fellow pilots and for any one to set > > himself up as the grand censor on this net and tell us we can't talk-about > > it is WAY out of line. You shoud apologize for your arogence. . Bill > > Starrs---- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM > > Subject: KR> Today's Events > > > > > You guys just don't get it do you? This is a KR NET and not anything > > > else. All of ou have been asked by the NET MOM to not post concerning > > > today's events. So what's the problem? Why do these post keep > > > appearing? Please let this be the last one. > > > Mark Jones > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! --------------24515AC5DBEE38A9CAE68090-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:44:09 -0500 To: gleone From: Mark Jones CC: BillStarrs , KR-net Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events Message-ID: <3B9F3C79.D062B63@execpc.com> --------------4338D815B3FEA7E0513E9000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gentlemen, I am sorry for any mixed feelings from my original post about yesterday's Tragedy and the KR Net. I am just as shocked and sick about this as all of you are and my heart goes out to all. We all have freedom of speech and my choice now is to go silent for a while and just be a lurker and get my KR finished. I will be glassing all the tail section tomorrow as I am taking the day off to get it done before the weather turns cold up here in Wisconsin which is just around the corner for us. Bill, my apologies to you also. See ya at the Gathering. Mark Jones gleone wrote: > ENOUGH OF THESE VILLAGE IDIOTS FIGHTING THEIR UN-HOLY WARS ON THE > KR-NET! THERE ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH FORUMS AVAILABLE TO SPOUT OFF ALL > YOU WANT ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT! MY ONLY INTEREST WITH THIS NET IS > AIRCRAFT DESIGN, BUILDING TECHNIQUES AND YES, THE KR SERIES OF > PLANES! QUIT! STOP! CEASE AND DESIST! EITHER TALK AIRCRAFT OR GO > ELSEWHERE, PERMANENTLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! > > Mark Jones wrote: > >> Bill, >> You have attacked me more than once and I am not in the mood to >> argue with you. >> You do not know JACK about me nor do you know that I am probably on >> of the most >> caring and compassionate members on this as I have gone out of my >> way to help >> many KR builders at my expense a lot of times, but then I do not >> know JACK >> either. If you have a personal vengeance against me I do not feel >> the Net is a >> place to vent your feelings. This is why others have asked not to >> discuss >> today's events on the net as this is reserved for KR information and >> >> discussions. >> By the way Bill, I had a brother-in-law in Manhatten today and you >> can believe >> I have fought back the tears most likely a hell of a lot more than >> you have >> today. Now I am getting mad so I will shut up now. >> MARK JONES and I will be at the Gathering >> >> BillStarrs wrote: >> >> > Mark YOU just don't get it there are things that bind us together >> besides >> > air planes and when things happen as they did to day there is a >> deep seated >> > need to express our selves to our fellow pilots and for any one to >> set >> > himself up as the grand censor on this net and tell us we can't >> talk-about >> > it is WAY out of line. You shoud apologize for your arogence. . >> Bill >> > Starrs---- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM >> > Subject: KR> Today's Events >> > >> > > You guys just don't get it do you? This is a KR NET and not >> anything >> > > else. All of ou have been asked by the NET MOM to not post >> concerning >> > > today's events. So what's the problem? Why do these post keep >> > > appearing? Please let this be the last one. >> > > Mark Jones >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply >> all" >> > > >> > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > > >> > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >> . >> > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other >> system! >> > > >> > > >> >> -- >> Mark Jones (N886MJ) >> Wales, WI USA >> E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com >> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >> http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >> AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other >> system! > -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage --------------4338D815B3FEA7E0513E9000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:06:37 -0400 To: gleone@tritel.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: flykr2s@execpc.com, bstarrs@cybertrails.com, Krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Today's Events Message-ID: <20010912.171621.-216521.0.virgnvs@juno.com> I just hit DELETE, Virg On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:26:37 -0600 gleone writes: > ENOUGH OF THESE VILLAGE IDIOTS FIGHTING THEIR UN-HOLY WARS ON THE > KR-NET! THERE > ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH FORUMS AVAILABLE TO SPOUT OFF ALL YOU WANT > ABOUT ANYTHING YOU > WANT! MY ONLY INTEREST WITH THIS NET IS AIRCRAFT DESIGN, BUILDING > TECHNIQUES AND > YES, THE KR SERIES OF PLANES! QUIT! STOP! CEASE AND DESIST! > EITHER TALK > AIRCRAFT OR GO ELSEWHERE, PERMANENTLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! > > Mark Jones wrote: > > > Bill, > > You have attacked me more than once and I am not in the mood to > argue with you. > > You do not know JACK about me nor do you know that I am probably > on of the most > > caring and compassionate members on this as I have gone out of my > way to help > > many KR builders at my expense a lot of times, but then I do not > know JACK > > either. If you have a personal vengeance against me I do not feel > the Net is a > > place to vent your feelings. This is why others have asked not to > discuss > > today's events on the net as this is reserved for KR information > and > > discussions. > > By the way Bill, I had a brother-in-law in Manhatten today and you > can believe > > I have fought back the tears most likely a hell of a lot more > than you have > > today. Now I am getting mad so I will shut up now. > > MARK JONES and I will be at the Gathering > > > > BillStarrs wrote: > > > > > Mark YOU just don't get it there are things that bind us > together besides > > > air planes and when things happen as they did to day there is a > deep seated > > > need to express our selves to our fellow pilots and for any one > to set > > > himself up as the grand censor on this net and tell us we can't > talk-about > > > it is WAY out of line. You shoud apologize for your arogence. . > Bill > > > Starrs---- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM > > > Subject: KR> Today's Events > > > > > > > You guys just don't get it do you? This is a KR NET and not > anything > > > > else. All of ou have been asked by the NET MOM to not post > concerning > > > > today's events. So what's the problem? Why do these post keep > > > > appearing? Please let this be the last one. > > > > Mark Jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:54:43 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: From a KR brother in SA Message-ID: <20010911235443.39659.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> To all the American people. It is with great sorrow in our hearts that we have heard about and seen on the news the cowardly and atrocious acts of terror that were committed against you and your country today. We pray for you and pray that the perpetrators of such ghastly deeds be brought to book. Kobus & Hendrine de Wet KR-2 ZS-WPX Cape Town South Africa GMT +2.00 +27 21 988 3671 Home +27 82 788 8315 Cell www.home.intekom.com/kobusdw __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:27:25 -0700 To: "KR-net" From: "Randy Stein" Subject: Mom's view on today's events Message-ID: <00fc01c13b32$75fe7ae0$31b01818@we.mediaone.net> Kids: Before this goes off on a tagent that may not be constructive, I would like to clarify my prior post about "I am in no mood for racisim, religion or any other type of bashing on KRNet." I encourage any discussions about what happened today, as well as aviation talk, as long as they are constructive. Talking is good for us. It is way for us to vent the pent up feelings. I am just not in the mood for nasty or bizarr talk (or behavior). This sandbox is full of good people. Jump over to the rec-aviation list if you need to have a firefight. I will not stand for it here. I have a friend who was in the building next door to the WTC. I finally heard from him this afternoon. His discription of people jumping from the upper floors of the towers to certain death greatly disturbed him (as well as me). We have the best of what the world has to offer here in the US. People continue to risk their lives to come to the US to try and obtain what we take for granite. I see no reason to allow this list to degrade into a pissing contest while each one tries to prove they are a bigger skunk than anyone else. Be well, post postive info and try to be tolerant. Life is still good. Play nice in the sandbox... Mom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:42:49 +1000 To: "Corvaircraft" , "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: My thoughts Message-ID: <000801c13b80$27b4d660$55236e40@m1g0x7> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C13BD3.DE6E66C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all my KR and Corvaircraft acquaintances in America Just a quick message of sympathy from Australia. So often, one feels = helpless down under. Rely on your friends but be strong, fair and = measured in the days to come. Continue to go confidently in the = direction of your dreams....the alternatives are to terrible to = contemplate. Regards John. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C13BD3.DE6E66C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:33:09 From: "Richard Parker" Cc: Krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Lets keep this list related to KR's stuff. Message-ID: Obviously there is big news that everyone is talking about. Please lets keep this list related to KR stuff. Rich Parker _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:51:11 -0300 To: "Mike Mims" , From: "Leonardoadrenalina" Subject: Re: KR> From a KR brother in Brazil Message-ID: <002c01c13bb3$89de0c20$edbac0c8@estacao1> >To the American people! we are all very sad about this bad things that happenend to you, in interviews here in the Rio de Janeiro people in the streets show their sorrow . I,m very very sad also because an airplane was used as weapon . let's pray and ask god that it never happens again. Leo. Brazil. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) To: Leonardoadrenalina , Mike Mims , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> From a KR brother in Brazil Message-ID: <20010912204113.81536.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for your compassion for us in America Leo! The aviation community as a whole is vulnerable to reprocussions from this event. I am a KR builder, pilot, A & P, and Aeronautical Engineer I have not flown my KR as of yet and have been an advocate of experimental aviation for many years. Being thankful for people like you Leo who pause and write about the human emotion is just a meaningful as the enthusiam of all of KR brothers and sisters. What tresspasses the emotions of flying fun is the instrumental use of aircraft as a weapon. All aircraft are potential weapons as are automobiles and so forth. The noble cause of aircraft was changed back in the days of World War 1. There military leaders recognized airplanes augmenting their purpose. Since that history as concluded who ever has power over the air has control. Today we are still faced with this dilema and KR pilots as well as all general aviation is subject to laws governing them. Access to fly is a fundamental building block for ever KR builder and dreamer. Suppose "Big Brother" (in America this term refers to Austire Government Controlling Everything) where to revoke airworthiness certificate's on all KR because they pose a vital threat to safety if a terrorist where to gain access to one. That is a real potential! We KR builders would be very disappointed wouldn't we! Our freedoms in America and our civil rights too were established by our founding fathers and I Bryce Guenther absolutely support our freedoms. If people from others countrys come to America and subversively try to change our country thru nieve or aggressive methods and try to establish this America on any other faith than Christianity to impose ultimately their "FATHERS" values I just refuse to accept them! Thanks Viva De KR and freedom to fly! --- Leonardoadrenalina wrote: > > > >To the American people! > we are all very sad about this bad things that > happenend to you, in > interviews here in the Rio de Janeiro people in the > streets show their > sorrow . > I,m very very sad also because an airplane was used > as weapon . > let's pray and ask god that it never happens again. > > Leo. Brazil. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:52:23 -0700 (PDT) To: KR-People From: Screwy Squirrel Subject: Re: KR> From a KR brother in Brazil Message-ID: What worries me the most, after this disaster, is the possibility of increased regulation across all aspects of aviation in the United States. That, because of this, people may demand that all of the US's airspace be tightly regulated. The airport here in Corvallis is located snugly in class G airspace and I have enjoyed the ability to hop in a plane and take off whenever I want to. We(in the US) need to pay extra attention so that overreacting congressmen and overzealous FAA officials don't remove these freedoms from us. I haven't yet started building my KR - I'm a student and can't yet afford to start buying parts and I'm still studying the plans to familiarize myself with them - but if a law passes that eliminates our freedom as pilots... I may never even start my KR... +----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ |John E. Holeman | OSU Computer Science| |754-3450 | OSU Atmospheric Science| +----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ |holemanj@ucs.orst.edu |holemanj@cs.orst.edu | |www.orst.edu/~holemanj |jholeman@oce.orst.edu | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | You can blow out a candle, | | But you can't blow out a fire. | | Once the flames begin to catch, | | The wind will blow it higher | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:26:24 -0700 To: KR-People , Screwy Squirrel From: "ron " Subject: Re: KR> From a KR brother in Brazil Message-Id: <200109121426.AA57016510@jrl-engineering.com> All pilots and aviation people must be on gard to protect our present freedoms, what goverment gives, it can take away. Ron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Screwy Squirrel Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:52:23 -0700 (PDT) >What worries me the most, after this disaster, is the possibility of >increased regulation across all aspects of aviation in the United States. >That, because of this, people may demand that all of the US's airspace >be tightly regulated. The airport here in Corvallis is located snugly in >class G airspace and I have enjoyed the ability to hop in a plane and take >off whenever I want to. We(in the US) need to pay extra attention so that >overreacting congressmen and overzealous FAA officials don't remove these >freedoms from us. I haven't yet started building my KR - I'm a student >and can't yet afford to start buying parts and I'm still studying the >plans to familiarize myself with them - but if a law passes that >eliminates our freedom as pilots... I may never even start my KR... > >+----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ >|John E. Holeman | OSU Computer Science| >|754-3450 | OSU Atmospheric Science| >+----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ >|holemanj@ucs.orst.edu |holemanj@cs.orst.edu | >|www.orst.edu/~holemanj |jholeman@oce.orst.edu | >+----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ >| You can blow out a candle, | >| But you can't blow out a fire. | >| Once the flames begin to catch, | >| The wind will blow it higher | >+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:37:01 -0700 To: Leonardoadrenalina , Mike Mims , , Guenther Bryce From: "ron " Subject: Re: KR> From a KR brother in Brazil Message-Id: <200109121437.AA36962486@jrl-engineering.com> I to am a KR builder, pilot and a Aeronuatical Engineer with my own Engineering Consulting business. We in aviation have a special passion for aviation, I could not express my feelings any better than you have, thanks. Ron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Guenther Bryce Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) >Thanks for your compassion for us in America Leo! > The aviation community as a whole is vulnerable to >reprocussions from this event. I am a KR builder, >pilot, A & P, and Aeronautical Engineer I have not >flown my KR as of yet and have been an advocate of >experimental aviation for many years. Being thankful >for people like you Leo who pause and write about the >human emotion is just a meaningful as the enthusiam of >all of KR brothers and sisters. What tresspasses the >emotions of flying fun is the instrumental use of >aircraft as a weapon. All aircraft are potential >weapons as are automobiles and so forth. The noble >cause of aircraft was changed back in the days of >World War 1. There military leaders recognized >airplanes augmenting their purpose. Since that history >as concluded who ever has power over the air has >control. Today we are still faced with this dilema and >KR pilots as well as all general aviation is subject >to laws governing them. Access to fly is a fundamental >building block for ever KR builder and dreamer. >Suppose "Big Brother" (in America this term refers to >Austire Government Controlling Everything) where to >revoke airworthiness certificate's on all KR because >they pose a vital threat to safety if a terrorist >where to gain access to one. That is a real potential! > > We KR builders would be very disappointed wouldn't >we! > Our freedoms in America and our civil rights too >were established by our founding fathers and I Bryce >Guenther absolutely support our freedoms. If people >from others countrys come to America and subversively >try to change our country thru nieve or aggressive >methods and try to establish this America on any other >faith than Christianity to impose ultimately their >"FATHERS" values I just refuse to accept them! Thanks >Viva De KR and freedom to fly! > > > > >--- Leonardoadrenalina wrote: >> >> >> >To the American people! >> we are all very sad about this bad things that >> happenend to you, in >> interviews here in the Rio de Janeiro people in the >> streets show their >> sorrow . >> I,m very very sad also because an airplane was used >> as weapon . >> let's pray and ask god that it never happens again. >> >> Leo. Brazil. >> >> >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , >> or "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >> krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at >> http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >> AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use >> some other system! >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger >http://im.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:48:20 EDT To: guentheraviator@yahoo.com, adrenabh@terra.com.br, gti20vturbo@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kr22278z@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> From a KR brother in Brazil Message-ID: <135.1797116.28d14e44@aol.com> Dear KR Brothers and Sisters, If we in America loose our freedom of flight that we have enjoyed, these Terrorist will have won their objective, not only to kill Americans, but also the American way of life and liberty. Sincerely, Bob Jennings, Anchorage, Alaska, US of A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:02:43 -0700 To: From: "Al Friesen" Subject: A sad day Message-ID: <003201c13bc6$1bf3a400$0d5d7240@s8z8i0> ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C13B8B.35C3C580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters, I was talking to my son-in -law today, lives in Arlington. He said that = my daughter, his wife was to take the flight out of Dulles ( I just got = a call from her & her flight was on a different airline). That flight to = LA was pricey so she checked the flight out of Baltimore which was less, = so she toke a taxi to Baltimore. She is now stuck in Indy. I have been = full of anxiety as she flies a couple of times a month for the Water = Environment Research Foundation. Even we Canadians were hit close to = home. I cried when I heard her voice. Sorry for the emotion = but just had to let you know how close it comes. Al ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C13B8B.35C3C580-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:53:26 -0400 To: "House of D's" , From: "Mike Wolf" Subject: RE: KR STUFF Message-ID: ANYONE GOT OR KNOW WHERE I CAN GET AN O-200 ENGINE MOUNT? -----Original Message----- From: House of D's [mailto:durosset@fidnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:59 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> WAF stress analysis Hi ya'al Got to jump in here. I don't claim to be an expert on anything on flying but I am proud of my active flying status for over 30 that includes over 1,000 hrs of tail draggin'. As every tail dragger driver knows, there are those who have... and those who will, and I am mindful on every approach that a ground loop is waiting for me still. Wheel landing are nothing more than a very gentle touchdown at flying speed but understanding what the physics are in play helps. Key to a wheelie is your pitch angle to the ground. Since your center of gravity is behind the wing on touch down, the tail continues downward after the main wheels touch. There is where the forward stick comes in to stop the tail down. The amount of forward stick is related to the vertical speed at touchdown. Remember that you are still at flying speed and that elevator is very effective. THIS IS THE CRITICAL POINT. Too much forward stick changes the shape of the prop/plane - not enough and the tail lowers, the pitch attitude starts to increase and since you are still at flying speed, you lift off again. Looks and feels like a big bounce. Here is where is gets ugly quick. When you lift off again, you lose air speed quick and find yourself 10' in the air, slowed to a stall and a nose high attitude (out of airspeed and altitude...hope you have a good idea right about now). At this point, some should look forward to seeing their landing gear attach fittings clearly from the cockpit on the next touch down! Any kind of brake problem can also include the spinner as the "3d-point" in landing. Basically, I did wheelies because I did not own the plane I flew in Vietnam. I will even share the war stories on landing to a full stop WITHOUT touching the tail if asked in Pine Bluff and with enough beer...if you took the time and love investment to build/own, take the safe way to full stop landings. There is a lot to lose from a bad wheelie, what is to be gained? 3-point takes away flying speed at touchdown, reduces ground speed and potential for injuries if/when luck goes south and if (like me) you are still waiting for your first ground loop, it will do less damage to repair on that thrill ride. Have fun but be SAFE! Darryl DuRossette durosset@fidnet.com N21KC KR1 @ MO1 Lost in the Woods, MO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************