From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 15 Sep 2001 02:39:30 -0000 Issue 291 Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:39 PM krnet Digest 15 Sep 2001 02:39:30 -0000 Issue 291 Topics (messages 6957 through 6980): Re: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES 6957 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 6979 by: Wayland T Stokes KR2 with EA-81 Subaru? 6958 by: Larry A. Capps 6959 by: Frank Ross 6964 by: POND CARTER Re: Gathering as Planned 6960 by: Mike Wolf 6974 by: CS Re: Is this the right plane? (KR-2S) 6961 by: Guenther Bryce Freedom to fly 6962 by: Parley Byington Re: cowling update 6963 by: rwmoore GATHERING AGAIN 6965 by: Edwin Blocher 6978 by: Wayland T Stokes TRIBUTE 6966 by: dene.collett Part 91 opening up. 6967 by: flykr2s.execpc.com KR Photos 6968 by: Tom Crawford 6969 by: Mark Langford Re: constant speed props 6970 by: JEAN VERON KR2 or KR2S.. 6971 by: Fisher, Richard 6972 by: Randy Stein sympathy and solidarity 6973 by: w.g. kirkland 6976 by: CS 6977 by: Cary Honeywell Gathering 6975 by: Wayland T Stokes Re: Be careful kids...Mom is still grumpy 6980 by: Wayland T Stokes Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:46:26 -0400 To: "Stephen Glover" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Fw: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Message-ID: It's not trash, it's true. We have plenty to be proud of, and don't need to borrow from others. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Glover [mailto:n925sg@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:56 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fw: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Buddy, don't EVEN come around here with your trash...if you want to air it, take it to your friends over there because we are not interested... Steve Glover Sgt/USMC KR-1 Builder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge F. VIDAL" To: "Rod Kelso" ; Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: RE: KR> Fw: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > Obviously, the author did not spend too much time getting himself informed, > whether by going to school, or reading magazines, or even talking to > strangers. > > So, he thinks all airliners are American? Never heard of Airbus? Never heard > of the Concorde? > So, he thinks the Marshall plan was charity? Never heard of the containment > policy? > So, he thinks in 1956 France was on the verge of collapse? Surprising no > Frenchman ever witnessed that. > So, he thinks only America has got the technology to go to the moon? Nope, > the difference is the budget. Ever heard of a guy called Gagarine? Already > forgot the Sputnik? Ever seen the Ariane rockets? > So, America rebuilt and financed French railways? Where the hell did he get > that? French railways have been financed by state bonds. And by the way, the > French build the fastest train in the world, service speed more than 200 > mph, record speed almost twice that. Far from an Amtrack, isn't it? > > Does that guy think that the rest of the world eats bananas and lives in > trees? > > Recently, I met an American guy who bragged about his new high-tech "smart > credit card" (with embedded chip). He never believed me when I told him that > it is a French invention, and has been in service there for 25 years. > > In the rest of the world, this attitude is referred to as "American > arrogance". The US is now, by far, the richest country in the world. That's > a fact. But in any single field, be it aeronautics, space, computers, > biology...or social welfare, , you will find a country that does better. > That's also a fact. > > As for the very simplistic view of politics throughout the Cold War... > lets's put only one question: who armed the Afghan rebels who seized power > in Afghanistan, and that are now known at the Talibans, if not the United > States? > > Recently, there were two international conferences aimed at tackling global > issues. > > The first one was on pollution. The American attitude was: "Sorry, we want > to be free to pollute the atmosphere and the sea, because the American way > of life is not negotiable". > > The second one, ten days ago, was on racism. The American attitude was: > "Sorry, we don't want anybody to accuse our dear Israeli friends of racism, > and we don't want anybody to encourage our Black citizens to claim for > reparations for slavery". > > What do you think the rest of the world is going to think about that? > > > > Serge VIDAL > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Kelso [mailto:rbk@orci.com] > Sent: 14 September, 2001 4:14 AM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Fw: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > > I know its not yet Friday, but this is worth sharing to the net... > > Rod Kelso > Denver, Colorado > > emailto > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Dunn > To: Undisclosed.Recipients@smtp002pub.verizon.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:53 PM > Subject: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > > > > > >>> This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > >>> America: The Good Neighbor. > >>> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given > >>> recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from > >>> Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > >>> Commentator. What follows is the full text of his > >>> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional > >>> Record: > >>> "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the > >>> Americans as the most generous and possibly the > >>> least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, > >>> Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy > >>> were lifted out of the debris of war by the > >>> Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > >>> forgave other billions in debts. > >>> > >>> None of these countries is today paying even the > >>> interest on its remaining debts to the United > >>> States. When France was in danger of collapsing in > >>> 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and > >>> their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > >>> streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > >>> > >>> When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the > >>> United States that hurries in to help. This spring, > >>> 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > >>> Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman > >>> Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged > >>> countries. Now newspapers in those countries are > >>> writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. > >>> > >>> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is > >>> gloating over the erosion of the United States > >>> dollar build its own airplane. Does any other > >>> country in the world have a plane to equal the > >>> Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the > >>> Douglas DC10? > >>> > >>> If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the > >>> International lines except Russia fly American > >>> planes? Why does no other land on earth even > >>> consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You > >>> talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. > >>> You talk about German technocracy, and you get > >>> automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, > >>> and you find men on the moon - not once, but several > >>> times - and safely home again. > >>> > >>> You talk about scandals, and the Americans put > >>> theirs right in the store window for everybody to > >>> look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued > >>> and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most > >>> of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are > >>> getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to > >>> spend here. > >>>> When the railways of France, Germany and India were > >>> breaking down through age, it was the Americans who > >>> rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the > >>> New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an > >>> old caboose. Both are still broke. > >>> > >>> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced > >>> to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name > >>> me even one time when someone else raced to the > >>> Americans in trouble? I don't think there was > >>> outside help even during the San Francisco > >>> earthquake. > >>> > >>> > >>> Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one > >>> Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get > >>> kicked around. They will come out of this thing > >>> with their flag high. And when they do, they are > >>> entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are > >>> gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada > >>> is not one of those." > >>>! > >>> Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!! > >>> This is one of the best editorials that I have ever > >>> read regarding the United States. It is nice that > >>> one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of > >>> the world would realize it. We are always blamed for > >>> everything, and never even get a thank you for the > >>> things we do. > >>> > >>> I would hope that each of you would send this to as > >>> many people as you can and emphasize that they > >>> should send it to as many of their friends until > >>> this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am > >>> just a single American that has read this, TRIBUTE TO > >>> THE UNITED STATES > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:24:41 -0500 To: stefan.balatchev@wanadoo.fr From: Wayland T Stokes Cc: rbk@orci.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fw: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Message-ID: <20010914.212517.-540095.4.tomstokes1@juno.com> Stephany Thanks for your support to America. I am a Vietnam Vetran and currently Secretary of the local Chapter of Vietnam Vetrans of America. I have served my country honarbly for 42 years as well as crawling through the mud and shit of South Vietnam and I say come join me in Pine Bluff Arkansas for a KR gathering/ I have made them for the last 4 years and I still love America. Tom Stokes Pine Bluff AR tomstokes1@juno.com or tomstokes1@aol.com On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:09:40 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9fan_Balatchev?= writes: > I think there were too many political and/or religious messages on > this > list, a list intended to help the people from all over the world > building > and flying their aeroplanes. > In France, we will keep 3 minutes of silence at noon today to > express our > sorrow. So, please do not contribute to divide our international KR > community, the Tuesday's events have already hurt all of us! > > Stéfan Balatchev, > Paris, France > mailto:Stefan.Balatchev@wanadoo.fr > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rod Kelso > To: > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:14 AM > Subject: KR> Fw: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > > > > > I know its not yet Friday, but this is worth sharing to the net... > > > > Rod Kelso > > Denver, Colorado > > > > emailto > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Scott Dunn > > To: Undisclosed.Recipients@smtp002pub.verizon.net > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:53 PM > > Subject: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > > > >>> America: The Good Neighbor. > > >>> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given > > >>> recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from > > >>> Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > > >>> Commentator. What follows is the full text of his > > >>> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional > > >>> Record: > > >>> "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the > > >>> Americans as the most generous and possibly the > > >>> least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, > > >>> Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy > > >>> were lifted out of the debris of war by the > > >>> Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > > >>> forgave other billions in debts. > > >>> > > >>> None of these countries is today paying even the > > >>> interest on its remaining debts to the United > > >>> States. When France was in danger of collapsing in > > >>> 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and > > >>> their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > > >>> streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > >>> > > >>> When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the > > >>> United States that hurries in to help. This spring, > > >>> 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > > >>> Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman > > >>> Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged > > >>> countries. Now newspapers in those countries are > > >>> writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. > > >>> > > >>> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is > > >>> gloating over the erosion of the United States > > >>> dollar build its own airplane. Does any other > > >>> country in the world have a plane to equal the > > >>> Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the > > >>> Douglas DC10? > > >>> > > >>> If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the > > >>> International lines except Russia fly American > > >>> planes? Why does no other land on earth even > > >>> consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You > > >>> talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. > > >>> You talk about German technocracy, and you get > > >>> automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, > > >>> and you find men on the moon - not once, but several > > >>> times - and safely home again. > > >>> > > >>> You talk about scandals, and the Americans put > > >>> theirs right in the store window for everybody to > > >>> look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued > > >>> and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most > > >>> of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are > > >>> getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to > > >>> spend here. > > >>>> When the railways of France, Germany and India were > > >>> breaking down through age, it was the Americans who > > >>> rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the > > >>> New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an > > >>> old caboose. Both are still broke. > > >>> > > >>> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced > > >>> to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name > > >>> me even one time when someone else raced to the > > >>> Americans in trouble? I don't think there was > > >>> outside help even during the San Francisco > > >>> earthquake. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one > > >>> Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get > > >>> kicked around. They will come out of this thing > > >>> with their flag high. And when they do, they are > > >>> entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are > > >>> gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada > > >>> is not one of those." > > >>>! > > >>> Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!! > > >>> This is one of the best editorials that I have ever > > >>> read regarding the United States. It is nice that > > >>> one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of > > >>> the world would realize it. We are always blamed for > > >>> everything, and never even get a thank you for the > > >>> things we do. > > >>> > > >>> I would hope that each of you would send this to as > > >>> many people as you can and emphasize that they > > >>> should send it to as many of their friends until > > >>> this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am > > >>> just a single American that has read this, TRIBUTE TO > > >>> THE UNITED STATES > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:20:14 -0500 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: KR2 with EA-81 Subaru? Message-ID: <000a01c13d39$22d06f00$0500a8c0@24.181.195.150> Les Palmer KR2 won Best KR2, Best Engine Installation, and People's Choice awards at the 1995 KR Gathering at Columbia, TN. His Subaru EA-81 engine installation (100 HP) used an Holley 5200 carburetor and manifold. Les's designed and used a PSRU unit, matched with his engine installation. Also, at the bottom of this URL, you can see the plane and read a little about the engine (http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kronline9.html - (c) Mark Langford) Contacted: Les Palmer 3247 High Lark Dallas, Texas 75234 Telephone: (972) 241-4387 -----Original Message----- > anyone has any information on any KR-2 flying with a Subaru EA-81. For that > matter, any Subaru? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> KR2 with EA-81 Subaru? Message-ID: <20010914165023.15572.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Milo, I am away from my home computer, but do not see an answer to your question, so I will put my two cents in. Please friends, do not send me e-mail till Monday as I only get 30 min on this library computer a day in Yakima WA. There have been several successful Subaru KRs. Dave Blucher's beauty was sold to a new owner in Texas who died trying to fly it without fuel. Les Palmer has another beauty in Dallas. Rich McCall is building one with Les's help. Don't know if any of these folk are on the net. Be patient. There is a lot of resistance to the Subaru, but it has been done and very nicely too. --- MiloKetchum@aol.com wrote: > Gang, > This is my fourth time posting this request. I > really do need to know if > anyone has any information on any KR-2 flying with a > Subaru EA-81. For that > matter, any Subaru? > Not grouchy, just beginning to wonder if I have > invested in a dead > horse.......... > Milo in Checotah OK. > > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:01:09 -0700 To: MiloKetchum@aol.com From: POND CARTER CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR2 with EA-81 Subaru? Message-ID: <3BA27E25.B11EF9B6@home.com> Hi Milo I feel the same way sometimes i wonder if my computer is even sending. There is a Dragonfly with you engine on it at my Home base. CYKF in Ontario Canada. I understand he like it and cruise in the mid 150mph range. I can give you his email address if you would like it. A retired engineer from Mac Donald Douglas is also using this engine. He purchase it as a drop in firewall forward kit from an US company Hope this helps. I plan on using the Cam 125 Honda from Firewall Forward in BC Canada. They have a 5 year warranty that is 48 months longer than any other aviation motor I no of or at least better than Continental or Lycombing. Carter MiloKetchum@aol.com wrote: > > Gang, > This is my fourth time posting this request. I really do need to know if > anyone has any information on any KR-2 flying with a Subaru EA-81. For that > matter, any Subaru? > Not grouchy, just beginning to wonder if I have invested in a dead > horse.......... > Milo in Checotah OK. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:54:56 -0400 To: "Stiteler, Michael" , , From: "Mike Wolf" Subject: RE: KR> Gathering as Planned Message-ID: I have drove lots farther for a lot less important reasons and I will be at the gathering unless my children need me here, otherwise am will be there. What has happened has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that there is an unwanted pest plaguing the civilized world and it needs to be eliminated. Thats all there is to it. I work on my KR-2s every week and I will be in Pine bluff. -----Original Message----- From: Stiteler, Michael [mailto:Stiteler@aticorp.org] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:08 AM To: 'Eckmstr@netscape.net'; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Gathering as Planned If I can get a flight from Charleston, I'll be there. God bless, Mike Michael R. Stiteler, M. Sc. mailto:stiteler@aticorp.org Advanced Technology Institute Voice : (843) 760-3285 5300 International Blvd. Fax : (843) 207-5985 N. Charleston, SC 29418 http://www.aticorp.org ATI "The Distributed Technology Management Company" Consortia Leadership Collaborative R&D Information Technology Enterprise Integration -----Original Message----- From: Eckmstr@netscape.net [mailto:Eckmstr@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:06 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Gathering as Planned I REFUSE for the events of Tuesday morning last to alter the course of my life or schedule one iota. The loss is already great and the grief is without measure but the one aspect of the American spirit is the most enduring is perseverance based on truth and honor. I don't PLAN on being at the Gathering... I WILL be at the gathering. Even if I'm the only one there making airplane noises. As I said before, even if I have to crawl. That's a 2300 mile round trip and it WILL be worth it. YES I agree that it won't be the same without flying KR's but it's YOU FOLKS that make this what it is...CAKE. The Kr's are just the Icing on top. My encouragement is that we all make every possible effort to be there. I'm putting up $50 for extra "fluids" to make this gathering a wee bit more memorable. And I can't say enough for those that have already made a great effort in order to bring this event to pass. I stand as you to be counted. Shoulder to shoulder. Rank and File, for the cause of Honor, Life and Liberty. And I won't let this sit in the way and keep me from reaching the prize. Not on my watch! NOT ON MY WATCH!!! Jon Miller Minneapolis And as always... Be safe and watch yur 6. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:19:46 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Re: KR> Gathering as Planned Message-ID: <20010915011946.99512.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Netters, I don't PLAN on being at the Gathering... I > WILL be at the gathering. Any chance we might state our respective opinions without all the chest-beating and stomping of feet? If I want to go to the Gathering because I enjoy the company, I'll be there regardless. If I want to go because I want to see as many KRs as possible, I probably won't if the GA ban is still in effect (which, by the way, I don't expect it to be). Either way, it's an individual decision, and we all are certainly entitled to make our own decisions, based on whatever reasons are important to us. Some folks extend the wings cuz they want slow stall...some folks shorten the wings cuz they want to go fast. Am I God enough to tell them what they SHOULD want? > I REFUSE for the events of Tuesday morning last to > alter the course of my life or schedule one iota. Oh really? Then I'll tell ya what...why don't you grab a quick flight to Washington tomorrow, spend Sunday in your room watching NFL football and the NASCAR race, and then Monday take a quick tour of the White House? Your life HAS been altered, whether you REFUSE (caps for emphasis) to believe it or not. Folks, whether we like it or not, we went to bed in one world Monday night...we went to bed in a vastly different world Tuesday night. Regardless of the sound bites the networks choose to attach to the new reality (America Under Attack, the New War, etc.), this issue isn't going to be settled in a week, a month, or a year. A few "surgical" Tomahawk strikes will make no difference at all. We are in for the long haul, or we might as well pack our tents and wait for the fringe Arab world to dictate policy to us. American blood will be spilled. We accept that, or we capitulate now and get it over with. Personally, I believe in America. We're pretty easy-going until you hit us at home. My son is a reservist in the tank corps (formerly based at Ft. Hood). He may die. I would certainly take his place if I had that option, but I don't. If he dies, he will die as a free man rather than live as a vassal. This won't be over next week. It won't be over until we all learn to live together in peace and harmony (yeah, right) or until we all manage to eradicate each other (MUCH more likely). It's a new world, folks. Get used to it, get used to American casualities, dig in for the long haul...and forget the sound bites. God bless America. They hate us for one reason...we represent freedom. Chuck __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:17:19 -0700 (PDT) To: Stuart Deal , KRNet From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> Is this the right plane? (KR-2S) Message-ID: <20010914171719.72332.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Stuart; One of the virtues of the KR is its changeability. To encourage you I purchased my KR from a builder who was 6'6" . That builder narrowed the fuselage because its now just a single seat. I bought the project from that builder who made 30% of it and completed the project over 9 years later and the prior 13 years builder time sum up to 22 years. Are we slow are what! This KR ain't gonna be slow !!! Bryce Guenther --- Stuart Deal wrote: > Hello, > > I have been waffling awfully about which plane to > build. > > If you can afford a kit, most folks I know get an > RV. However, I am > almost 6'4" so most of the kits don't fit me. > > The simplest plane is probably a VP-1 but my helpers > want to be able to > fly in what I build. Someone said once that you > can't make a Volksplane > fast or pretty. I started designing a two seater > with the VP-1 as a > core and before I knew my design started to look > like a KR-2S. > > A VW powered plane that is fast and pretty seems > like a dream. So here > is the obvious question, how fast. > > If I use a 2180 VW in a KR-2S trigear, how fast will > it fly, how fast > will it climb (at full gross) and how fast can I > build it (I am pretty > comfortable with wood and fiberglass). > > Any thoughts? > Thanks, > Stuart Deal > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:37:29 -0700 To: From: "Parley Byington" Cc: "Parley T. Byignton" Subject: Freedom to fly Message-ID: <000301c13d44$a4c79be0$c76df1d8@parley> ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C13CB5.6F16D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear netters: I have been actively flying my KR-2 (N54PB) since Dec. 7, 1991. I also = served for six years in the USAF as an F4 simulator specialist from 1973 = through 1979 and then worked for Delta Airlines for a short period on = their simulators. I have wanted to fly since I knew what an airplane = was. We all need to be very gratefull for this wonderful country that = God blessed us with and with the widom God gave our founding fathers = when they wrote our constitution. I hope that each of you, who enjoy these freedoms, will stand behind our = leaders in their efforts to prevent further terroristic acts from being = commited ANYWHERE in the world but especially here in the United States = of America. I also hope that everyone will remember the unjust and wrongful = treatment of the Japanese AMERICANS after Pearl Harbor and vow not to = make the same mistake again. I too deplore the actions of the = terrorists against our country and my heart goes out to those who are = now suffering. I also realize that the only way these acts of violence will cease is to = erraticate the source of such cancers. I hope that our countries = actions will result in MORE FREEDOMS for all people NOT LESS.=20 For the net moms: Just to insure that this post is not considered to = political the following report is add; =20 I have been home all week since the airports have been shut down and = thus cannot go to work, therefore I have been able to work on my KR-2 = most of the week. I am in the process of re-installing my engine and = re-fitting everything from the firewall forward. I hope to have my bird = back in the air within the next couple of months. One of these years I = hope to have the opportunity to fly to one of the KR gatherings and let = everyone see what a basic KR-2 with an turbo charged 1835 VW will do. Happy Building and flying to everyone and may God Bless America. Thanks Parley Byington (N54PB) parley@anv.net Henderson, NV ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C13CB5.6F16D900-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:45:57 -0400 To: Mark Langford From: rwmoore CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> cowling update Message-ID: <3BA25065.FE17F730@alltel.net> --------------440F2655A71F1905975C20CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KR1 for SALE R. W. Moore 706-779-3446 or 827-9966 business Mark Langford wrote: > I really hate to waste your bandwidth with news of actual KR progress, but > it's Friday so maybe I can get away with it this time. See > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/cowling.html#update for visual proof that I > will never finish this airplane. > > Just my personal opinion (and Lord knows we've had enough of that here > lately), but if we continue to cancel everything that was once normal, the > terrorists will have suceeded in their mission... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! --------------440F2655A71F1905975C20CC-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:04:24 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: GATHERING AGAIN Message-ID: <007601c13d60$d6252d80$868c31cc@cyou.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C13D36.EC31CEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I DID NOT SAY CANCEL IT, I SAI D POSTPONE IT. If you all think it's = prudent to have it while they are still searching for bodies and all = those families are mourning and grieving, so be it. Every other = activity and sporting event in the country has been postponed NOT = CANCELED! I'll decide whethwe to come or not once the FAA says GA VFR = will be allowed. Now I am going to shut up. Ed Blocher Crestview, FL Blocher@cyou.com ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C13D36.EC31CEA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:15:55 -0500 To: Blocher@cyou.com From: Wayland T Stokes Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> GATHERING AGAIN Message-ID: <20010914.212517.-540095.3.tomstokes1@juno.com> Ed co on we are expecting you. Tom Stokes Pine Bluff AR tomstokes1@juno.com or tomstokes1@aol.com On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:04:24 -0500 "Edwin Blocher" writes: > I DID NOT SAY CANCEL IT, I SAI D POSTPONE IT. If you all think it's > prudent to have it while they are still searching for bodies and all > those families are mourning and grieving, so be it. Every other > activity and sporting event in the country has been postponed NOT > CANCELED! I'll decide whethwe to come or not once the FAA says GA > VFR will be allowed. Now I am going to shut up. > Ed Blocher > Crestview, FL > Blocher@cyou.com > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:52:37 +0200 To: "Krnet" From: "dene.collett" Subject: TRIBUTE Message-ID: <008601c13d67$afeaa1c0$455b21c4@dean> Hi from South Africa Since it is Friday, I hope I will be granted a bit of lenience here. Firstly, I would like to extend my deepest sympathies to the American people especially those who lost loved ones. I don't have much to offer in the way of progress reports on my project at this time as it is taking a back seat to another project until the end of the year (boat rebuild). I wasn't going to say anything regarding what was said about the Americans being arrogant and walking out of the conference on racism. The fact is I too think that the average American is arrogant. Before you all hit the reply key, please read further. I also have opinions about the British amongst others but that didn't stop me marrying one. The fact is that I think the American people have earned the right to be that way. They are the richest, most powerful and most self sufficient nation on earth (in my opinion). It is true that the Americans have helped many countries out of the brown stuff which supports my previous statement. The conference on racism was just a waste of taxpayers money and should never have taken place anyway. When last have you seen an American diplomat going begging for money overseas for "development". Unfortunately this practice is prevalent throughout the African continent. The money donated buys more Mercedes motor vehicles than anything else. It is also true that the Americans aren't responsible for every technological advancement. So what! To all you arrogant Americans, as far as I am concerned you have earned the right to be that way. You have a great country and I would give my left you know what to be able to call the USA my home. South Africa is a beautiful country that is fast becoming a crime infested, bankrupt squatter camp. I don't know why I am sending this but I just had to get it off my chest. It will probably stir up a storm so please direct any replies to me directly at denec@freemail.absa.co.za I am way off the topic of aviation so please accept my apologies and mom it is Friday after all. Dene Collett South African (US wannabe) KR2S builder ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:22:59 -0500 (CDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: Subject: Part 91 opening up. Message-Id: <200109142122.QAA64598@nm1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> From the AOPA web page: Part 91 IFR operations resume at 4 p.m. ET 9/14/01 4:16:04 PM — The Department of Transportation has reopened the nation's airspace to IFR general aviation operations. VFR operations may be permitted later this weekend. The official notam from FAA will be issued shortly and will be posted here when available. AOPA has learned that there will be some restrictions to the IFR operations. ALL IFR flight plans must be from airport to airport. ATC will NOT accept "pop-ups" or air files. The pilot must call ATC on the ground before takeoff. No airborne cancellations will be permitted. Cancellations must be made on the ground, with an ATC facility. Pilots must check carefully for temporary flight restrictions (TFRs — listed as FDC notams). AOPA President Phil Boyer thanked the Secretary of Transportation for the open dialogue with the association that resulted in the following announcement and was particularly pleased that Mr. Mineta recognizes the importance of the next phase, VFR flight. Following is the text of the press release from the Department of Transportation: September 14, 2001 DOT 97-01 Secretary Mineta Re-opens Skies to General Aviation Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta has approved restoration of the next phase of national air service, allowing certain general aviation flights back into the air effective at 4:00 p.m. Eastern time today. "Effective today, general aviation — that important segment of aviation consisting of privately owned and operated aircraft — will be allowed to resume flights operating under Instrument Flight Rules, or IFR," Secretary Mineta said. "Under IFR, certified pilots operate under direction from air traffic controllers, after filing specific flight plans with the FAA." Temporarily, however, general aviation flights will not be allowed to fly within 25 nautical miles of New York City and Washington, D.C. Those restrictions will be kept in place until further notice as officials continue to assess the recovery situation in those cities over the near term. The Secretary's decision today also permits the FAA to allow private aircraft owners to evacuate their aircraft under visual flight rules from harm's way during the predicted approach of Tropical Storm Gabrielle within the states of Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama. Secretary Mineta said he is hopeful that the remaining general aviation flights, those operating under Visual Flight Rules, can resume flying later this weekend. Commercial flights were allowed to resume on Thursday, contingent upon airline and airport compliance with heightened security standards established by the Federal Aviation Administration. "We are restoring the national airspace system in a phased mariner, after careful evaluation of the safety and security issues in each sector," the Secretary said. "Again, I ask the patience of the flying public. Please remember that we are recovering from a massive disruption and widespread shock. But very soon we will work our way back to full recovery." There are more than 200,000 privately owned and operated aircraft registered in the United States. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:17:01 -0400 To: KR-net users group From: Tom Crawford Subject: KR Photos Message-ID: <3BA281DD.640F@ufl.edu> All, I just got a postcard in the mail telling me to check out the photos of my plane that were taken at Sun and Fun this year. These guys took 13 photos of me landing. Now they are trying to sell me copies (4 x6) for $14.00 each. America- what a country! Why didn't I think of that idea? I wonder how many photos the actually sell? Anyway, check out the site if you flew into S&F this year, they may have photos of your bird- or check out N262TC- or anyone else who flew in for that matter. Just type in any N number. www.mydigaphoto.com The big pics take a while to load, but they're pretty good. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Flying N???TC Wings Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:05:57 -0500 To: "KR-net users group" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR Photos Message-ID: <00a101c13d69$6e8e3b40$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Hey, that brings up photos at the Gathering! Last I heard, Larry Flesner was flying down his Tri-Pacer (weather permitting) with the removable door and we'll do a whole bunch of flying KR photos, which of course, will be absolutely free. If he doesn't make it, I'll talk somebody else into it. Tommy has already said that there should be plenty of time for this, so let's make a point of doing it this year, OK? I figure we just line everybody up a quarter mile apart and parade by the Tripe as I snap 5 or 6 shots of each one... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:41:54 -0500 To: "Robert X. Cringely" , "krnet" From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> constant speed props Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C13D44.8B44D8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lance built the KR that Calvin Campbell has now. =20 Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert X. Cringely Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:38 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> constant speed props A lot of people don't know that after Ken Rand's death Jeanette Rand hired Lance Neibauer to re-do the KR-2 drawings. Lance was working as a commercial artist at the time. That famous KR-2 cutaway drawing? It's by Lance. Bob >Pond, > >I have to be straight with you, at least from my experience and time >associated with Home Built aircraft. The plane you are looking for is n= ot a >KR. You should be looking at models like the Lancair. The KR is a >wonderful airplane because it is relatively easy to build and inexpensiv= e by >comparison. You would do yourself well to look at aircraft that have mo= re >of the features you are looking for, designed in. > >However, that said, Lance Neibauer started building a KR and decided to >design the Lancer, which became the Lancair. > >Good Luck, > >Daniel R. Heath > >WWW.EAA242.ORG >Gathering Bound > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "POND CARTER" >To: "kr" >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:43 PM >Subject: KR> constant speed props > > >> >> Hi Netters >> >> Can anyone suggest an affordable constant speed prop. I have read abo= ut >> Ivor prop but the 2k is a little rich for my blood. There is one out = of >> Australia that is said to be good but I have yet to find more >> information. >> >> Would some one that flies a large amount of IFR please email me. I wo= uld >> like to discuss ideal instrument packages. >> >> Thought i would ask these questions again as there appears to be lots= of >> opinions available right now. >> >> >> one: >> In my quest for the ideal a/c I'm looking for information on seats. = For >> safety does the seat need to compress to absorb Kinetic energy of a >> crash or hard landing or will a solid bucket shape surface (composite= ) >> be >> safe enough? >> >> Two: >> >> I have had an engineer redesign the wing spars to handle 1400# gross = and >> now I am looking at the tail spars. Has any one considered switching = to >> alum spars both horiz and vertical stab? Strength and weight make it >> ideal but the bonding of the surface is a mystery to me so far. More >> reading may provide the answer but I thought I would ask the experts. >> >> Carter >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >> AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C13D44.8B44D8E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:26:29 -0400 To: From: "Fisher, Richard" Subject: KR2 or KR2S.. Message-ID: I'm curious if the standard KR2 would be suitable for a person that is 6'3" with a 34" inseam and 175 lbs or would the KR2S be the better choice. I understand there are some pitch stability issues with the original KR2S design that can only be fixed by using a different wing. Also, what is the consensus over building from plans vs buying the factory kits?? Thanks for your input. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:19:48 -0700 To: "Fisher, Richard" , From: "Randy Stein" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 or KR2S.. Message-ID: <007f01c13d7c$278ee600$31b01818@we.mediaone.net> Richard: I am 6'-2" and 180lbs. Troy is about the same, or maybe 8-10 pounds more (sorry Troy). I flew with Troy in his KR2. We both fit, but it felt like we were installed inside shrink-wrap. My feet were up against the firewall with no place to wiggle. I think we actually had more headroom with his canopy design, yet I still with a bent necked. It was snug. We were all arms, elbows and knees in each other's way. The -2S would be better and I'd build a couple more inches up front too (I have a 34" inseam too). That is my story and I'm sticking to it! Randy Stein --- Original Message ----- From: "Fisher, Richard" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: KR> KR2 or KR2S.. > I'm curious if the standard KR2 would be suitable for > a person that is 6'3" with a 34" inseam and 175 lbs or > would the KR2S be the better choice. I understand there > are some pitch stability issues with the original KR2S > design that can only be fixed by using a different wing. > Also, what is the consensus over building from plans > vs buying the factory kits?? > > Thanks for your input. > > Rick > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:58:40 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: sympathy and solidarity Message-ID: <008701c13d81$9c87b720$12b45bd1@utboopki> ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C13D60.07EFDF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today on parliament hill in this nations capital they held a prayer = service. 100,000 Canadians where in attendance, more than for our = national holiday and more than for rememberance day. It is the only time = ever I have heard them sing the star spangled banner on parliament hill. = I hope that gives you some indication of how we feel. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C13D60.07EFDF00-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:48:25 -0700 (PDT) To: "w.g. kirkland" , krnet From: CS Subject: Re: KR> sympathy and solidarity Message-ID: <20010915014825.77036.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Bill.. We as Americans have had a number of KR builders/flyers express sympathy on KRnet. Believe me, even though we may not respond at the time, we appreciate the thoughts. We're big on loyalty, and it's kinda easy to remember who your friends are when they step up in times of trouble. America, Canada, and Great Britain basically guarantee freedom for the rest of the Western world. Others contribute (Australia, etc), but the job always devolves to US, GB, and CA. Chuck __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:55:10 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR> sympathy and solidarity Message-ID: <003a01c13d89$7474a560$2a05a8c0@HOME> As an aside, my wife was on the hill as well. She has never experienced a situation where there were over 100,000 people assembled in the open, and the only sound heard for 3 minutes was the flapping of the flag at the top of the Peace Tower, some 500 feet away! We share your grief. You are not alone. When the trumpet sounds we will be at your side. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "w.g. kirkland" To: "krnet" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: KR> sympathy and solidarity Today on parliament hill in this nations capital they held a prayer service. 100,000 Canadians where in attendance, more than for our national holiday and more than for rememberance day. It is the only time ever I have heard them sing the star spangled banner on parliament hill. I hope that gives you some indication of how we feel. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:45:51 -0500 To: langford@hiwaay.net From: Wayland T Stokes Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Gathering Message-ID: <20010914.204552.-540095.0.tomstokes1@juno.com> Mark Are you on the line tonight. Jenette Rand just called me to ask if wqe were still having the gathering. She is planning on being here on friday flying TWA. If everything is still go OK, if not I need to call her back. I havent talked to Tommy in months. I hope I havent been ignoring anyone but I am tied up with my little boy that is still locked up. Have been arguring and fighting with half of Pine Bluff but still cant get him out. I will try to be here everynight this week to answer questions. But Jennette will be here if TWA cooperates she says. Tom Stokes Pine Bluff AR tomstokes1@juno.com or tomstokes1@aol.com On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:34:30 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: To ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:35:55 -0500 To: bshadr@mediaone.net From: Wayland T Stokes Cc: rlspjs@dashlink.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Be careful kids...Mom is still grumpy Message-ID: <20010914.213600.-540095.6.tomstokes1@juno.com> Randy You coming ain't seen you since we met at LA about 3 years ago. On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:15:34 -0700 "Randy Stein" writes: > Bobbie: > > I'm going to go easy on you--this time--but you have to go the bed > early > anyway... > > Mom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Stone" > To: "Randy Stein" ; > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:58 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Be careful kids...Mom is still grumpy > > > > Randy: I realize that the KRNet is for the purpose of the > exchange of > ideas > > and new builders receiving help from the more experienced people > but I > just > > have to break the rules this one time and speak my piece: > > I am so tired of hearing government officials say we > will > > catch these people and bring them to trial and punish them. To > hell with > > that, we have been attacked by a foreign power, I don't care if > it's > > terrorists, another nation or who they have no right what-so-ever > to the > > protection of the constitution or due process. We need to find > these > people > > and destroy them, all of them. If it be a nation, unrestricted > war to > > victory then hang any and all who had anything to do with the > events in > New > > York city. Now that I have gotten that off my chest I hope you > will not > be > > too hard on me but what ever comes I will not complain. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > Just one very pissed off American > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Randy Stein" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:35 PM > > Subject: KR> Be careful kids...Mom is still grumpy > > > > > > > > Kids: > > > > I sense a thread developing that could go down a road that we need > not > > travel. I don't believe in infighting (or in-breeding). Remember > sandbox > > rules apply. > > > > Rules > > 1 Constructive, positive comments only - KRNet has been declared a > bash > free > > zone > > 2 Aviation related would be helpful > > 3 If you kids want to kick sand into each others eyes, go to > rec-aviation > > site to do it. (If you kick to much sand, I'll have to go to Home > Depot > to > > buy more, and YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I HATE GOING THERE!) > > 4 Remember, you all have had advanced human relations training in > > Kindergarten. Please refer back to that training. I for one > found > > Kindergarten the three hardest years of my life... > > > > Mom (the Wicked Witch on the West Coast) > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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