From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 7 Nov 2001 04:23:29 -0000 Issue 318 Date: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:24 PM krnet Digest 7 Nov 2001 04:23:29 -0000 Issue 318 Topics (messages 7474 through 7492): changing gear 7474 by: Mike Re: Ply wood 7475 by: w.g. kirkland Re: Fuel injection for VW 2 liter engine 7476 by: Ron Eason Fuel tanks 7477 by: John and Janet Martindale 7491 by: ANTHONY SOLDANO Re: alum fuel tanks 7478 by: Daniel Heath 7482 by: Bob Sauer 7487 by: David Mullins 7488 by: Richard Parker 7489 by: David Mullins Type IV fuel injection 7479 by: Bob Lee Re: cowling update 7480 by: Edwin Blocher Squelch control/360 channel info 7481 by: larry flesner 'Grass-Roots Aviation', a Good Canadian Supplier 7483 by: Peter Johnson Adjustable Horizontal incentence 7484 by: Darren Pond 7485 by: Stuart Deal 7486 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Flying squirrels... 7490 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Marine Epoxy Home Site 7492 by: Peg and Mike Meyer Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:23:09 -0500 To: From: "Mike" Subject: changing gear Message-ID: <003101c165a0$d2fdb6a0$c621a0ac@h3n8o4> ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C16576.E6FA6380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, I have been working on finishing up the forward and aft = decks and making progress ( feel like the boy in karate kid," wax on wax = off") lots of sanding. Anyhow getting to my question, I have been = talking to a few people and everyone is saying I oughta change to = tri-gear, they are saying if I dont I'll regret it and how if I dont = there will be lots of days i wont be flying cause'a wind and how once I = am done building and have to start testing how I'd be much better off if = all I had to think about was learning the plane and it's characteristics = instead of concentrating on keeping it pointed in the right direction. I = have deihl gear, can it be moved to the aft of the forward spar to = change to tri , or is there lots more to it than that, I know I'll need = nose gear but I am wondering how much is involved in moving the mains. =20 Thanks, Mike from 10ec (TN.) PS =20 Darren Pond, did i hear you say you were in northern Ontario? I = frequently go up that way round Hearst n Cochrane. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C16576.E6FA6380-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:40:27 -0500 To: "Darren Pond" , "kr" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Ply wood Message-ID: <004701c165a3$3b383ae0$53b45bd1@utboopki> Darren; Try Leavens in Mississauga. They have the Finnish stuff in metric. about 50" sq. About $80 can. a sheet. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Pond" To: "kr" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: KR> Ply wood > Looking for 3/32 Plywood. I live in Ontario Canada so Canadian supplier > would be ideal. Wisk and Spruce are my last resorts I guess. Ontario > spruce and Plywood appears not be in business any longer. > Darren Pond > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:46:32 -0800 To: "Serge VIDAL" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel injection for VW 2 liter engine Message-ID: <002301c165b4$d8b517f0$5e601e41@Administration> Try http://www.turbocity.com/VW/vw.html for fuel injection source. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: KR> Fuel injection for VW 2 liter engine My KR2 is fitted with a Volkswage Type 4, 2 litre engine. It currently has a Zenith carburettor, which has'nt got mixture setting. I would like to replace this carb. I have been proposed a carburettor from an old Land rover model, but I don't like the idea. Maybe fuel injection is the way to go. Does anybody know of a complete fuel injection kit for the VW Type 4? Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:05:23 +1100 To: "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Fuel tanks Message-ID: <004e01c165e9$dfecada0$47236e40@m1g0x7> ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C16645.F7CD7BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darren and Folks I have aluminium fuel tanks in the wings. The stubs hold 30 ltr each and = the outers 20 litres each making a total of 100 litres. When full, this = means pilot only. The tanks are made from 2mm sheet and I have 1 inch of = foam (Divinylcell) between them and the top and bottom skins. The stub = tanks have a central baffle that both slows the fuel slop but = importantly provides strength where one is likely to walk. I have the = fuel outlet and a water drain in the stub at the rear where a shallow = sump is "beaten" into the bottom skin". The two stub outlets are = connected by a tee and thus empty in common. The outer tanks don't need = a sump because of the dihedral. However, the fuel outlet is at the = front. The two outers are connected by a tee and empty in common. I = thought it important to have a front outlet somewhere because of the = danger of a rear outlet becoming uncovered during descent (an = alternative is to placard "don't fly on less than 1/4 tanks or = something). Pipers have both rear and front outlets in the one tank to = ensure fuel at all attitudes. The stub and outer tees then go via a fuel = selector (stubs/both/outers/off) to the gascolator. As Mark said, there = is a lot of thought in stub tanks. Have to leave room for controls, = wires and inspection ports for the WAF's/ gear legs amongst other = considerations. Cheers John =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C16645.F7CD7BA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:33:34 -0800 To: , , , , , , From: "ANTHONY SOLDANO" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks Message-ID: <000601c16745$5e627640$16c9d03f@compaq> Hey guys can i use west systems epoxy for my fuel tanks? Tony ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:18:30 -0500 To: "Ron Eason" , "kr" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks Message-ID: <000f01c165eb$9a372630$cc2b5d0c@scana.com> The Little Beast has an aluminum header tank. Baffles and no sump. I never noticed any problems with it. I put in two drains with a crossover. There is one on each side of the cut out for radios. May have been overkill. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "kr" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks > I would suggest you consider open cell foam like they use in fuel cells on > dragsters. They fill the tanks with this foam to keep fuel from moving > rapidly around the tank [ the fuel moves thru the foam]. The out let is > always placed in the rear in a sump which is where the fuel moves during > acceleration , similar to a aircraft. The idea is to analyze the fuel > movement based on geometry of the tank and motion of the aircraft. It may > shift the C.G. if not analyzed properly. > > KRron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CS" > To: "kr" > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 7:20 AM > Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks > > > > Hi Anthony and Netters, > > > > Is a sump > > > required if you use baffles? > > > > I think you're conflating two issues here, ie, do I > > need a sump, and do I need baffles? It seems to me, > > and I am not an expert, that if you mean by "sump" a > > low spot in the tank for the collection of water, then > > there is never a good reason NOT to build a sump into > > your tank (unless possibly a header tank that feeds a > > gascolater, but even then I'd consider a sump for > > water drainage). If you do use a sump, remember to > > place it where the water will collect (lowest point) > > while the plane is parked, ie, taildragger, lowest > > point at the back, where the water will collect while > > the plane is parked. Bottom line, IMHO, is use a sump > > regardless, baffles or not. > > > > My read on baffles is "things built into my tank to > > keep fuel from sloshing left to right (or vice versa) > > that would affect my balance." I think if you build > > inboard wing tanks and your fuel system feeds more or > > less equally from left and right, then you probably > > don't have to worry about baffles. If you're doing > > outboard tanks, then obviously this doesn't apply. > > > > As usual, I'd like to see ML weigh in on the issue, > > cuz he's been there done that, while I can only give > > you the benefit of things I've read/thought about. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:55:05 -0800 To: "Daniel Heath" , "Ron Eason" , "kr" From: "Bob Sauer" Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks Message-ID: <000401c1664c$eb3d5f20$0896bbd0@home> In April 1999 Kitplanes there was an article about fuel cell foam that when installed did not need baffles and provided slosh resistance, fire and explosion attenuation. It came in blocks or golf ball sized for retrofit at about $3 per gallon. I can find the blocks, but the not golf ball sized foam. I think this is the ticket for any fuel tank. Does anyone know where to find this product. I called all the mfgr listed in the article. Bob in Las Vegas From: resauer@softcom.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:34:06 -0500 To: Bob Sauer From: David Mullins CC: kr Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks Message-ID: <3BE7764E.48A00C87@mediaone.net> Bob, Do a web search on reticulated foam. Most racing fuel cells have this type in them. My 22 gal fuel cell for my Baja Bug had the foam put in through a 5" hole for the filler neck. Explosion suppressing foam for fuel tanks is made to be installed in the entire tank, save for cutouts for fuel quality senders, filler neck openings and outlet areas. This foam is about 2% to 3% density, meaning that in a 10 gallon fuel tank, it displaces .2 to .3 of a gallon. In appearance, it resembles a very open weave Scotchbrite TM pad. The life expectancy of the reticulated polyurethane foam is 50 years. The cost of the foam is about $1 per gallon of fuel tank size. It can be retrofitted to existing fuel tanks if the tank has a hand access opening. Talk to race car mechanics if they are considering this protection for your aircraft fuel system. Check these two sites too http://www.crestfoam.com/ http://www.foamex.com/technical/safetyfoam.asp Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Bob Sauer wrote: > In April 1999 Kitplanes there was an article about fuel cell foam that when > installed did not need baffles and provided slosh resistance, fire and > explosion attenuation. It came in blocks or golf ball sized for retrofit at > about $3 per gallon. I can find the blocks, but the not golf ball sized > foam. I think this is the ticket for any fuel tank. Does anyone know where > to find this product. I called all the mfgr listed in the article. > > Bob in Las Vegas > From: resauer@softcom.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:12:52 To: n323xl@mediaone.net, resauer@softcom.net From: "Richard Parker" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks Message-ID: I've got a friend who works for the predominant supplier for safetyfoam for the military (Tanks). They do not recommend using the product in aircraft as small foam particles have been found in the fuel lines. if you do decide to use it, size your fuel filters large enough so their is enough surface area to not restrict flow even with particulate contamination and engage in regular filter maintenance. Richard Parker >From: David Mullins >To: Bob Sauer >CC: kr >Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:34:06 -0500 > > >Bob, > >Do a web search on reticulated foam. Most racing fuel cells >have this type in them. My 22 gal fuel cell for my Baja Bug >had the foam put in through a 5" hole for the filler neck. > >Explosion suppressing foam for fuel tanks is made to be >installed in the entire tank, save for cutouts for fuel quality >senders, filler neck openings and outlet areas. This foam is >about 2% to 3% density, meaning that in a 10 gallon fuel tank, >it displaces .2 to .3 of a gallon. In appearance, it resembles a >very open weave Scotchbrite TM pad. The life expectancy of >the reticulated polyurethane foam is 50 years. The cost of the >foam is about $1 per gallon of fuel tank size. It can be >retrofitted to existing fuel tanks if the tank has a hand access >opening. Talk to race car mechanics if they are considering >this protection for your aircraft fuel system. > >Check these two sites too > >http://www.crestfoam.com/ > >http://www.foamex.com/technical/safetyfoam.asp > >Dave Mullins >Nashua, New Hampshire > > > >Bob Sauer wrote: > > > In April 1999 Kitplanes there was an article about fuel cell foam that >when > > installed did not need baffles and provided slosh resistance, fire and > > explosion attenuation. It came in blocks or golf ball sized for retrofit >at > > about $3 per gallon. I can find the blocks, but the not golf ball sized > > foam. I think this is the ticket for any fuel tank. Does anyone know >where > > to find this product. I called all the mfgr listed in the article. > > > > Bob in Las Vegas > > From: resauer@softcom.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:51:47 -0500 To: Richard Parker From: David Mullins CC: resauer@softcom.net, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks Message-ID: <3BE7EAF3.AEEEF929@mediaone.net> Rich, You friend is right about some particulate matter coming off of a new install. Right after I installed the fuel cell in my baja bug there was a piece that went through the fuel line and stopped a solid state facet pump. I had to remove the fuel cell to get to the pump then disassemble and clean the pump on the side of the road. I would recommend that a sump screen and a filter be placed before any pumps. Said from experience. I am in the process of making aluminum fuel tanks now and looking for a supplier of the foam. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Richard Parker wrote: > I've got a friend who works for the predominant supplier for safetyfoam for > the military (Tanks). They do not recommend using the product in aircraft as > small foam particles have been found in the fuel lines. if you do decide to > use it, size your fuel filters large enough so their is enough surface area > to not restrict flow even with particulate contamination and engage in > regular filter maintenance. > > Richard Parker > > >From: David Mullins > >To: Bob Sauer > >CC: kr > >Subject: Re: KR> alum fuel tanks > >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:34:06 -0500 > > > > > >Bob, > > > >Do a web search on reticulated foam. Most racing fuel cells > >have this type in them. My 22 gal fuel cell for my Baja Bug > >had the foam put in through a 5" hole for the filler neck. > > > >Explosion suppressing foam for fuel tanks is made to be > >installed in the entire tank, save for cutouts for fuel quality > >senders, filler neck openings and outlet areas. This foam is > >about 2% to 3% density, meaning that in a 10 gallon fuel tank, > >it displaces .2 to .3 of a gallon. In appearance, it resembles a > >very open weave Scotchbrite TM pad. The life expectancy of > >the reticulated polyurethane foam is 50 years. The cost of the > >foam is about $1 per gallon of fuel tank size. It can be > >retrofitted to existing fuel tanks if the tank has a hand access > >opening. Talk to race car mechanics if they are considering > >this protection for your aircraft fuel system. > > > >Check these two sites too > > > >http://www.crestfoam.com/ > > > >http://www.foamex.com/technical/safetyfoam.asp > > > >Dave Mullins > >Nashua, New Hampshire > > > > > > > >Bob Sauer wrote: > > > > > In April 1999 Kitplanes there was an article about fuel cell foam that > >when > > > installed did not need baffles and provided slosh resistance, fire and > > > explosion attenuation. It came in blocks or golf ball sized for retrofit > >at > > > about $3 per gallon. I can find the blocks, but the not golf ball sized > > > foam. I think this is the ticket for any fuel tank. Does anyone know > >where > > > to find this product. I called all the mfgr listed in the article. > > > > > > Bob in Las Vegas > > > From: resauer@softcom.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:07:37 -0500 To: "KRnet \(E-mail\)" From: "Bob Lee" Subject: Type IV fuel injection Message-ID: <000001c165fa$d8785a40$2a0c0b0a@BUBBA5> KrNetters, Serge VIDAL wrote a few days ago "Does anybody know of a complete fuel injection kit for the VW Type 4?". I'm on the digest so this reply is a few days late. Take a look at http://www.airflowperformance.com/. They make a multiport fuel injection systems for experimental aircraft that can be sized from 60 to 800 hp applications. I've got a 2,600cc type IV and I have decided to use their fuel injection system. I have not yet flown with it so make your own decision here. Regards, B O B L E E KR2 N52BL 90% done only 50% to go! E-Mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com Web Site: http://flyboybob.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:53:28 -0600 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> cowling update Message-ID: <000f01c16644$4ecab000$8d8c31cc@cyou.com> Mark, After looking at your "stupid cowling" I have decided that when the time comes I will invite you and yours to Florida for a couple of weeks. They can beach and shop and we can cowl. Ed Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: KR> cowling update > KRNetHeads, > > I'm quite sure y'all are getting tired of me and my stupid cowling, but I > gotta show you this picture, at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/01110436.jpg . I'll pull molds from it > shortly, after which I can retrieve my engine mount from within and get some > serious stuff done, including making the real cowling from carbon fiber... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:38:21 -0600 To: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Squelch control/360 channel info Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011105163821.00879d70@pop3.norton.antivirus> >I'm looking for a little help here. My TKM-MX11 com radio seems to need >the squelch backed off a little.(snip) Is this an internal or external adjustment? >On the front of the radio I have 3 places where a small screwdriver can >make adjustments. One is below the letter S one below the letter B and >the other one is below the letter D. Is the S squelch? Thanks for any >replies.=-----------Kenny ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Kenny and TKM users, I have a TKM radio in the Tripacer and as I recall , when I installed it I adjusted the squelch by waiting for a clear channel, backed it off until I got noise , then back the other way until I just killed the noise. It has required no further adjustments. Yes I think it was the hole labeled "S". Also when you don't have a signal that is strong enough to bread the squelch, just press and hold the "test" button on the panel and that overrides the squelch so you don't get the breaks in the reception. This works for ATIS , AWOS, etc. that are too far away to break the squelch at all. While I'm at it, you fliers with 360 channel radios, if you want to pick up the AWOS , etc. that are on 720 channel freqs, tune you 360 channel to the closest freq and turn the squelch off. My old Narco 360 channel would pick them up that way like they were next door!! No need to miss all that good info. Oh yea, I think the other holes adj. the brightness of the display and maybe something else, don't remember. If you don't have the book, get me off net and I'll look it up for you. Larry Flesner P.S. use the test button to check/set you volume without a radio check also. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:00:48 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: 'Grass-Roots Aviation', a Good Canadian Supplier Message-ID: <000c01c1665e$a88a9d20$6da5e2d1@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1661B.6AEF43A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This will be of interest to everyone in Canada. =20 I was surprised by Darrens mention last week that in his search for = plywood, he thought that 'Grass-Roots Aviation' was closed. I was = compelled to find out for sure and so called myself. Good news, the = business is still up and running along quite happily! Dave Drain, the president, is very genial and explained to me that some = people did get the impression he was closed as he had posted his = business for sale last year. =20 Dave explained that he was not handling wood or plywood any longer, and = he suggested Leavens Brothers in Toronto as a good source of plywood. = (If you're looking for sitka, 'Western Aircraft Suppy' has sold to = 'R.A.W. Resources' in BC. I don't have their address handy but they are = available on the net). For anyone not familiar with 'Grass-Roots Aviation', Dave Drain has a = very wonderful and personable business providing aluminum, 4130, and = other metals, and aircraft hardware. His prices are very good, his = service is wonderful, and his catalouge is extremely interesting to = read. =20 His address is: Grass-Roots Aviation 648 Adelaide Avenue West Oshawa, Ontario L1J 6S2 905-434-4651 =20 For what it's worth, there is a Baltic Birch ply available at retail = stores. This ply comes in 1/8" 3-ply, 1/4" 5-ply, 3/8" 7-ply, and 1/2" = 9-ply thickness. It is not the 'multi-ply' that we commonly associate = with aircraft plywood, but for non critical applications like templates = etc it is excellent! It is clear, very well priced, and I've had a = piece of 1/8" 3-ply soaking now for over a year with no sign of = delamination. (No, I haven't completed a boil test. I figure that = should I ever find my airplane boiling for any reason, the condition of = the ply will be the least of my concerns! LOL!!) I hope this of help to you Darren, and to everyone else too. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1661B.6AEF43A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:11:22 -0800 To: kr From: Darren Pond Subject: Adjustable Horizontal incentence Message-ID: <3BE770FA.E33282CC@home.com> Hi Guys I'm thinking of designing in a trim able horizontal stabilizer insentience. Most planes that I have read about need adjustment during flight testing and a few like the Mooney have in-flight adjustment. So why not trim for best cruising speed on each flight. Any thoughts or methods of doing would be appreciated. My first thought is to hinge the aft horz stab spar and mount a threaded shaft below forward spar with +- 1.5 deg range which is about +-.5" travel. I would like to talk to any pilots that have flown an aircraft with this adjustable stabilizer. Thanks for your time Darren Designing our ideal aircraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:19:05 +0000 To: Darren Pond , KRNet From: Stuart Deal Subject: Re: KR> Adjustable Horizontal incentence Message-ID: <3BC3F669.1DD214AE@sonic.net> Hi Darren, Mooneys are nice. Check out almost any low wing Piper. Piper Cherokees have a "stabilator" and never need adjustment, because the whole thing flies. A stabilator gives you a much wider CG range (guess who trained in Pipers?) I suggest a simpler ground adjustable system based on two mated curves, one on the stab, one on the boat. The shape would be a large diameter cylinder with axis parallel to the elevator hinge but further forward. I would use at least four bolts with slots on the stab side to limit the range of movement. You could put marks for different loads. Both hinge and thread are likely to be heavy but weak links. Stuart Darren Pond wrote: > > Hi Guys > > I'm thinking of designing in a trim able horizontal stabilizer > insentience. Most planes that I have read about need adjustment > during flight testing and a few like the Mooney have in-flight > adjustment. > So why not trim for best cruising speed on each flight. Any thoughts or > methods of doing would be appreciated. > My first thought is to hinge the aft horz stab spar and mount a > threaded shaft below forward spar with +- 1.5 deg range which is about > +-.5" travel. > > I would like to talk to any pilots that have flown an aircraft with > this adjustable stabilizer. > Thanks for your time > Darren > Designing our ideal aircraft > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:19:22 -0500 To: carterkr2s1@home.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Adjustable Horizontal incentence Message-ID: <20011105.233117.-521627.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Cubs had it for years. F-86 had all flying tail. Virg On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:11:22 -0800 Darren Pond writes: > > Hi Guys > > I'm thinking of designing in a trim able horizontal stabilizer > insentience. Most planes that I have read about need adjustment > during flight testing and a few like the Mooney have in-flight > adjustment. > So why not trim for best cruising speed on each flight. Any thoughts > or > methods of doing would be appreciated. > My first thought is to hinge the aft horz stab spar and mount a > threaded shaft below forward spar with +- 1.5 deg range which is > about > +-.5" travel. > > I would like to talk to any pilots that have flown an aircraft with > this adjustable stabilizer. > Thanks for your time > Darren > Designing our ideal aircraft > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:26:57 EST To: william.schomas@moody.af.mil, guentheraviator@yahoo.com, kirkland@vianet.on.ca, represt3@digital-link.net, langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Flying squirrels... Message-ID: <12b.6fc409b.2919e7e1@cs.com> In a message dated 11/1/01 10:30:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, william.schomas@moody.af.mil writes: << I'd Gladly buy you a one way ticket to Afghanistan, if you dislike it so much here! I served twenty years, flying F-16's most of my career. Now I fly a KR. Glad my view isn't as myopic as yours. Bill Schomas, proud to be an American aviator >> You tell them!!!!! I spent my time keeping F-4s and A-10s in the air. Along with special duty working with chemical attack survival. I just wish they would let me back in to go kill SAND MONKEYS. I believe in a higher calling for my family and country. 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