From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 6 Jan 2002 06:23:33 -0000 Issue 352 Date: Saturday, January 05, 2002 10:24 PM krnet Digest 6 Jan 2002 06:23:33 -0000 Issue 352 Topics (messages 8318 through 8341): shopping for project 8318 by: Flibuoy.aol.com test 8319 by: David R. Christensen 8320 by: David R. Christensen Re: Removing the rear spar? 8321 by: Ross Youngblood Slow progress 8322 by: Ross Youngblood carbs 8323 by: Sean Clay 8324 by: Ross Youngblood 8325 by: Daniel Heath 8330 by: Ron Eason 8331 by: Ron Eason 8335 by: Daniel Heath removing rudder 8326 by: Phillip Matheson 8327 by: Daniel Heath 8328 by: Mark Langford 8334 by: David McKelvey Oil Filters 8329 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 8332 by: David R. Christensen 8333 by: Daniel Heath PROPELLER FOR SALE OR TRADE 8336 by: RICK WILSON Weight 8337 by: dawnpatrol.onemain.com 8338 by: David R. Christensen 8339 by: Daniel Heath 8340 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cowl photos 8341 by: John and Janet Martindale Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:23:45 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flibuoy@aol.com Subject: shopping for project Message-ID: <142.750cb79.2966a471@aol.com> --part1_142.750cb79.2966a471_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am hoping to find a project KR2/KR2S....VW powered if at all...does anyone have a lead. I am in Houston, would like to find within 300 miles or so...john --part1_142.750cb79.2966a471_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:53:15 -0700 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "David R. Christensen" Subject: test Message-ID: <000801c19594$1fecde00$e0e16441@davec> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C19559.72F6F620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C19559.72F6F620-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:02:19 -0700 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "David R. Christensen" Subject: test Message-ID: <002301c19595$6421ffa0$e0e16441@davec> ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C1955A.B72C17C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C1955A.B72C17C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:26:56 -0700 To: bob@flyboybob.com From: Ross Youngblood CC: "KRnet (E-mail)" Subject: Re: KR> Removing the rear spar? Message-ID: <3C367280.3D365F23@home.com> Bob, I had a problem after my aft spar had cured.... the spar was off center by 1/2". I chiseled the 5/8 vertical gussets with a hand chisel and hammer. This wasn't too bad. To cut into the spar itself, I used a cut off hacksaw blade with an improvised handle. This I used to cut the region between the spar and the vertical members. In some areas I had used 3/32 ply material as a wedge to wedge the spar in between the two uprights, so this material gave itself up for the removal. On other areas, I ended up cutting too close to the spar webbing, so I decided to remove a section of webbing in this cases and scarf in a patch. It wasn't too bad, the hardest part was making the decision to go ahead and do the first cut. - Ross bob@flyboybob.com wrote: > > KR-netters, > > I'm trying to get up the courage to remove my rear spar and move it up > 1.494" to fit the profile of the AS5046 airfoil. The details of the upgrade > can be seen at http://flyboybob.com/wing_documentation.htm. I have already > built my stub wings with the RAF-48 airfoil. Is there someone out there > that can share the experience of removing the rear spar? I would like to > save the spar and any help with technique would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > > Bob Lee > _____________________________________ > e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com > web site: http://flyboybob.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:33:11 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Slow progress Message-ID: <3C3673F7.23B49EE@home.com> Well no work on the KR for the past month. I did call Props Inc today and confirmed that he has recieved my prop. He will be quoting me a re-dressing on the prop. In the meantime, I've got tons of junk in my garage to move around and clean up so I can get the KR back IN. I've started building some shelves... but basicly didn't do ANYTHING usefull over the holidays other than sleep. The KR has been in it's trailer for the past month. Thats probably where my cellphone is, too. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:54:22 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Sean Clay" Subject: carbs Message-ID: Ok I am starting to think of using the ellison more and more. My posa is not doing all that bad but in aviation if its not perfect that is your life. What model would we suggest for a 1835 vw engine. And my second question is do they make one that has an ajustable mixture from inside the plane or is it not needed? My last few taxi test went good started to get the tail airborne maybe another few weeks. Thanks all _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 01:03:40 -0700 To: Sean Clay From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> carbs Message-ID: <3C36B35C.EDAE5690@home.com> Sean, The EFS-2 is the size recommended for the 1835cc. Yes Mixture control is needed, as well as carb heat. You can go to Ellison Fluid Systems website and download the EFS-2 install/user manual and look at all the details. You need a minimum of 1/2psi pressure for the Ellison to work properly, so a fuel pump is recommended (1/2-3psi is recommended). -- Ross Sean Clay wrote: > > Ok I am starting to think of using the ellison more and more. My posa is not > doing all that bad but in aviation if its not perfect that is your life. > What model would we suggest for a 1835 vw engine. And my second question is > do they make one that has an ajustable mixture from inside the plane or is > it not needed? My last few taxi test went good started to get the tail > airborne maybe another few weeks. Thanks all > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 06:54:14 -0500 To: "Sean Clay" From: "Daniel Heath" Cc: "krnet" Subject: Re: KR> carbs Message-ID: <002801c195df$b30ca300$a32c5d0c@scana.com> Sean, The Ellison comes with an excellent mixture control. I had mine connected with a vernier control and it worked perfectly. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Clay" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:54 PM Subject: KR> carbs > > Ok I am starting to think of using the ellison more and more. My posa is not > doing all that bad but in aviation if its not perfect that is your life. > What model would we suggest for a 1835 vw engine. And my second question is > do they make one that has an ajustable mixture from inside the plane or is > it not needed? My last few taxi test went good started to get the tail > airborne maybe another few weeks. Thanks all > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:08:29 -0600 To: "Sean Clay" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> carbs Message-ID: <000d01c1961c$60602950$d6601e41@Administration> You could look at http://www.edelbrock.com/motorcycle/index.html they have a beautiful dual carb setup, a 1835CC engine = 112 C.I displacement.I was impressed with it anyway. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Clay" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: KR> carbs > > Ok I am starting to think of using the ellison more and more. My posa is not > doing all that bad but in aviation if its not perfect that is your life. > What model would we suggest for a 1835 vw engine. And my second question is > do they make one that has an ajustable mixture from inside the plane or is > it not needed? My last few taxi test went good started to get the tail > airborne maybe another few weeks. Thanks all > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:37:06 -0600 To: "Ron Eason" , "Sean Clay" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> carbs Message-ID: <001301c19620$5e1d8f80$d6601e41@Administration> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "Sean Clay" ; Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> carbs > You could look at http://www.edelbrock.com/motorcycle/index.html they have a > beautiful dual carb setup, a 1835CC engine = 112 C.I displacement.I was > impressed with it anyway. See the Quicksilver page. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Clay" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:54 PM > Subject: KR> carbs > > > > > > Ok I am starting to think of using the ellison more and more. My posa is > not > > doing all that bad but in aviation if its not perfect that is your life. > > What model would we suggest for a 1835 vw engine. And my second question > is > > do they make one that has an ajustable mixture from inside the plane or is > > it not needed? My last few taxi test went good started to get the tail > > airborne maybe another few weeks. Thanks all > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:17:43 -0500 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> carbs Message-ID: <001401c1962e$6b2e4120$ae2d5d0c@scana.com> It looks like the smallest throat opening on these carbs is 36, I think that might be a bit large for these slow turning small engines. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "Ron Eason" ; "Sean Clay" ; Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Re: KR> carbs > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Eason" > To: "Sean Clay" ; > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: KR> carbs > > > > You could look at http://www.edelbrock.com/motorcycle/index.html they have > a > > beautiful dual carb setup, a 1835CC engine = 112 C.I displacement.I was > > impressed with it anyway. See the Quicksilver page. > > > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sean Clay" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:54 PM > > Subject: KR> carbs > > > > > > > > > > Ok I am starting to think of using the ellison more and more. My posa is > > not > > > doing all that bad but in aviation if its not perfect that is your life. > > > What model would we suggest for a 1835 vw engine. And my second question > > is > > > do they make one that has an ajustable mixture from inside the plane or > is > > > it not needed? My last few taxi test went good started to get the tail > > > airborne maybe another few weeks. Thanks all > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:24:44 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: removing rudder Message-ID: <003b01c195e3$f7006e80$5796dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C19640.28B4DEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. I have found that the Elevator on my KR2,s left side is miss aligned. The rudder is complete, I'm thinking of cutting the rear Finn support. = and remove it completly so I came remove the elevator and made a new = one. Then make up a metal joiner to refit the Finn. Any comments Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C19640.28B4DEA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:56:51 -0500 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> removing rudder Message-ID: <00de01c195e8$72982750$a32c5d0c@scana.com> Phil, Not much information to go on, but, this would make me nervous. Is the Horizontal stabilizer also mis-aligned? If not, why not just cut away the covering and rebuild the left side of the elevator. Is the wood structure warped? Do you need to re-build an entire elevator? Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: KR> removing rudder Hi all. I have found that the Elevator on my KR2,s left side is miss aligned. The rudder is complete, I'm thinking of cutting the rear Finn support. and remove it completly so I came remove the elevator and made a new one. Then make up a metal joiner to refit the Finn. Any comments Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:25:49 -0600 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> removing rudder Message-ID: <002e01c195ec$7e462030$7600a8c0@athlon600> Phillip Matheson wrote: >I have found that the Elevator on my KR2,s left side is miss aligned. I've heard of people cutting the vertical stabilizer spar and patching it that way, but I'm like Dan, that wouldn't be my first choice. Have you considered UNtweaking it? Assuming you built it so that both sides were aligned in the first place, what's holding it OUT of line. Is it the hinges? Then cut a little hole in the skin and move things around (or build new hinges) to straighten it out. Or do you mean that the two sides of the elevator are no longer in the same plane? I'd hang a lever on the tip with a weight on it and try to heat the fiberglass skin up with a heater from below and a heat gun from above and UNtweak it, let it cool, and it'll be fixed. It may take some trial and error, but this is probably a two hour job, as opposed to a two month job. You'd be amazed at how easy it is to "rearrange" fiberglass components with a little judiciously applied heat. Now if it was BUILT out of line (and somebody would have to try awfully hard to do that), and you'll be fighting the spar to untwist it, this might not get you there. If you have to rebuild the elevator anyway, I'd cut the whole horizontal stabilizer off and build a new one, with a new elevator, and get it right this time. It might be a good excuse to incorporate Dr. Dean's hinge system ( http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dean_hinge/ ). If you build a new horizontal stabilizer and elevator, you might want to check out http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kht.html ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:45:49 -0600 To: From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> removing rudder Message-ID: A good slice is stronger than the wood itself. I have a KR rebuild with a broken elevater spar and my plan is to remove the damaged section and splice in a new piece of wood. However, if the misalignment is such that you have to look hard to see it and you don't have any restriction of movement, you might leave it alone. That's what trim tabs are for. Thats my 2cents. dave mckelvey grapevine, tx -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Matheson [mailto:matheson@dodo.com.au] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:25 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> removing rudder Hi all. I have found that the Elevator on my KR2,s left side is miss aligned. The rudder is complete, I'm thinking of cutting the rear Finn support. and remove it completly so I came remove the elevator and made a new one. Then make up a metal joiner to refit the Finn. Any comments Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:23:06 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Oil Filters Message-ID: <20020105.112306.-414983.0.klw1953@juno.com> I noticed some people think that certain ( spin on ) oil filters cool the oil better than others. I run the 2100 Revmaster, and use a Fram PH 43 filter. I guess what I mean is that one flows more oil to the cooler than others.--------------Comments? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:54:51 -0700 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "David R. Christensen" Subject: Fw: KR> Oil Filters Message-ID: <000701c1961a$75736f20$10e16441@davec> The Fram PH43 apparently has more restriction to flow as I tried one after they went to the finer filtration design and experienced higher oil temp levels than I had before with the old Fram. So I tried the AC PF20 and got about a 10 degree F reduction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: KR> Oil Filters > I noticed some people think that certain ( spin on ) oil filters cool the > oil better than others. I run the 2100 Revmaster, and use a Fram PH 43 > filter. I guess what I mean is that one flows more oil to the cooler than > others.--------------Comments? > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:13:27 -0500 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Oil Filters Message-ID: <000801c1961d$0f135df0$952d5d0c@scana.com> I had a spin on, firewall mount oil filter. I don't remember what the filter was, but I think I still have one in the shop if anyone is interested. I never had an oil temperature problem, and I attribute some of that to the long oil lines running from the front of the engine to the firewall and back. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Christensen" To: "krnet mailing lists" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Fw: KR> Oil Filters > The Fram PH43 apparently has more restriction to flow as I tried one after > they went to the finer filtration design and experienced higher oil temp > levels than I had before with the old Fram. So I tried the AC PF20 and got > about a 10 degree F reduction. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 9:23 AM > Subject: KR> Oil Filters > > > > I noticed some people think that certain ( spin on ) oil filters cool the > > oil better than others. I run the 2100 Revmaster, and use a Fram PH 43 > > filter. I guess what I mean is that one flows more oil to the cooler than > > others.--------------Comments? > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:41:49 -0800 (PST) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: RICK WILSON Subject: PROPELLER FOR SALE OR TRADE Message-ID: <20020105214149.48513.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> I HAVE A WOOD PROPELLER IN GOOD CONDITION 56"DIA APPROX. 70" PITCH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TRADE FOR A 60"DIA X 68"PITCH TO FIT AN 0200A CONTINENTAL. OR IF ANYONE HAS ONE FOR SALE AT A REASONABLE PRICE I WOULD LIKE TO BUY IT. IT IS A TRACTOR PROP ON A KR2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:04:22 -0600 To: From: Subject: Weight Message-ID: <005501c1963d$6929c0c0$7111f8d1@matandcat> ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C1960B.05745040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I notice the manual calls for an empty weight for the KR-2 is 480 lbs. I = am adding fuel tanks in the wings which will increase my gross weight = some what. The manual also has a wing loading of 11.5 lbs. per sq. ft. = and 78sq. ft. of wing area which equals 897 lbs. gross weight. Also = power loading of 13.9 lbs per h.p. equals 903.5 lbs gross weight, for a = 65 h.p. engine. I see a lot of netters putting in bigger and heaver engines, bigger and = heaver fuel tanks, starters, strobes, generators and all of the goodies = that go along with it. Then they stuff a heavy pilot and passenger in = full of fuel and take off on a hot day and they seem to fly perfectly = well.=20 I have an 0-145 lyc. engine rated at 65h.p. which I can up grade to = 75h.p. by cranking in another 500rpms. This engine weights 153 lbs. = without starter/generater or carb.=20 I weigh 212 lbs, plan to install 2 eight gallon wing tanks for a total = of 16 gals. and would like to know how much weight I can get away with = and still have acceptable performance.=20 I would like to know what the max weight anyone has taken off with with = in a KR? I'm amazed at how much these KRs are lifting compared to what = they were designed for. Has anyone ever stalled these KRs at a high = gross weight and how did they react and recover from the stall?=20 Comments please, Mike T. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C1960B.05745040-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:58 -0700 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "David R. Christensen" Subject: Fw: KR> Weight Message-ID: <004a01c19648$03db4d00$cae16441@davec> I fly occaisionally at my max 1000 lb gross weight with my KR-2 from a 4400 ft field elevation on a hot (92 degrees F day. It is standard configuration with retractable gear. I get 500 ft/min rate of climb with the gear up. You can see a picture of my KR-2 at Arlington last year at http://www.bouyea.net. My empty weight is 550 lb including wing tanks, dual sticks, flaps, rollover protection, etc. I like to fly mine at about 850 lbs gross weight. I have never carried a passenger in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: KR> Weight I notice the manual calls for an empty weight for the KR-2 is 480 lbs. I am adding fuel tanks in the wings which will increase my gross weight some what. The manual also has a wing loading of 11.5 lbs. per sq. ft. and 78sq. ft. of wing area which equals 897 lbs. gross weight. Also power loading of 13.9 lbs per h.p. equals 903.5 lbs gross weight, for a 65 h.p. engine. I see a lot of netters putting in bigger and heaver engines, bigger and heaver fuel tanks, starters, strobes, generators and all of the goodies that go along with it. Then they stuff a heavy pilot and passenger in full of fuel and take off on a hot day and they seem to fly perfectly well. I have an 0-145 lyc. engine rated at 65h.p. which I can up grade to 75h.p. by cranking in another 500rpms. This engine weights 153 lbs. without starter/generater or carb. I weigh 212 lbs, plan to install 2 eight gallon wing tanks for a total of 16 gals. and would like to know how much weight I can get away with and still have acceptable performance. I would like to know what the max weight anyone has taken off with with in a KR? I'm amazed at how much these KRs are lifting compared to what they were designed for. Has anyone ever stalled these KRs at a high gross weight and how did they react and recover from the stall? Comments please, Mike T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:27:55 -0500 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Weight Message-ID: <001001c19648$fd017f30$d22d5d0c@scana.com> If anyone ever sees a 480# KR2 please let me know. I saw Marty take off from Covington with a passenger who is larger than he is. He had a big engine in it, I think the 0-200. Took off and flew away like it had Ken in it. I can't figure out what makes these planes able to take so much more load than it was designed for, but they do. Be sure to be very careful about your weight and balance. Good luck. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: KR> Weight I notice the manual calls for an empty weight for the KR-2 is 480 lbs. I am adding fuel tanks in the wings which will increase my gross weight some what. The manual also has a wing loading of 11.5 lbs. per sq. ft. and 78sq. ft. of wing area which equals 897 lbs. gross weight. Also power loading of 13.9 lbs per h.p. equals 903.5 lbs gross weight, for a 65 h.p. engine. I see a lot of netters putting in bigger and heaver engines, bigger and heaver fuel tanks, starters, strobes, generators and all of the goodies that go along with it. Then they stuff a heavy pilot and passenger in full of fuel and take off on a hot day and they seem to fly perfectly well. I have an 0-145 lyc. engine rated at 65h.p. which I can up grade to 75h.p. by cranking in another 500rpms. This engine weights 153 lbs. without starter/generater or carb. I weigh 212 lbs, plan to install 2 eight gallon wing tanks for a total of 16 gals. and would like to know how much weight I can get away with and still have acceptable performance. I would like to know what the max weight anyone has taken off with with in a KR? I'm amazed at how much these KRs are lifting compared to what they were designed for. Has anyone ever stalled these KRs at a high gross weight and how did they react and recover from the stall? Comments please, Mike T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:01:48 -0500 To: DanRH@att.net From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Weight Message-ID: <20020105.210148.-414983.2.klw1953@juno.com> Just wondering what some of the 2S's out there really gross.Mine came in dry at 636lbs. With me at 230lbs and my friend at 170 I grossed the plane at 1121lbs. ( with full fuel )Even at that weight mine came in with a 2.1" FORWARD CG. I still haven't taken any passengers since flying off the 40 hrs. How much of a handling difference will I notice?---Comments On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:27:55 -0500 "Daniel Heath" writes: > If anyone ever sees a 480# KR2 please let me know. I saw Marty take > off > from Covington with a passenger who is larger than he is. He had a > big > engine in it, I think the 0-200. Took off and flew away like it had > Ken in > it. I can't figure out what makes these planes able to take so much > more > load than it was designed for, but they do. Be sure to be very > careful > about your weight and balance. > > Good luck. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:04 PM > Subject: KR> Weight > > > I notice the manual calls for an empty weight for the KR-2 is 480 > lbs. I am > adding fuel tanks in the wings which will increase my gross weight > some > what. The manual also has a wing loading of 11.5 lbs. per sq. ft. > and 78sq. > ft. of wing area which equals 897 lbs. gross weight. Also power > loading of > 13.9 lbs per h.p. equals 903.5 lbs gross weight, for a 65 h.p. > engine. > I see a lot of netters putting in bigger and heaver engines, bigger > and > heaver fuel tanks, starters, strobes, generators and all of the > goodies that > go along with it. Then they stuff a heavy pilot and passenger in > full of > fuel and take off on a hot day and they seem to fly perfectly well. > I have an 0-145 lyc. engine rated at 65h.p. which I can up grade to > 75h.p. > by cranking in another 500rpms. This engine weights 153 lbs. without > starter/generater or carb. > I weigh 212 lbs, plan to install 2 eight gallon wing tanks for a > total of 16 > gals. and would like to know how much weight I can get away with and > still > have acceptable performance. > I would like to know what the max weight anyone has taken off with > with in a > KR? I'm amazed at how much these KRs are lifting compared to what > they were > designed for. Has anyone ever stalled these KRs at a high gross > weight and > how did they react and recover from the stall? > Comments please, Mike T. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:30:41 +1100 To: "Corvaircraft" , "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Cowl photos Message-ID: <029101c1967b$ab166540$4f236e40@m1g0x7> ------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C196D7.DD372BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again folks. Just to let you know that Mark L has posted some photos of my engine = cowling that several people have requested. If you want to see a front = starter mounted Corvair inside a Collins class sub nose then go to http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/jmartindale/ or www.krnet.org.=20 =20 Thanks Mark John ------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C196D7.DD372BC0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************