From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 7 Jan 2002 12:45:27 -0000 Issue 353 Date: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:45 AM krnet Digest 7 Jan 2002 12:45:27 -0000 Issue 353 Topics (messages 8342 through 8361): Kr1 8342 by: Sean Clay 8345 by: Ed Janssen Re: krnet Digest 6 Jan 2002 06:23:33 -0000 Issue 352 8343 by: Parley Byington Re: removing rudder/thanks 8344 by: Phillip Matheson Re: Weight 8346 by: Robert Stone 8351 by: JEAN VERON 8352 by: Daniel Heath Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... 8347 by: Peter Johnson Tip for Sanding Hot Melt Glue 8348 by: Peter Johnson 8354 by: Jerry Mahurin ENGINE MOUNT DIMENSIONS 8349 by: Philip J. Visconti 8350 by: Tim Brown Re: corvaircraft: Tampa C-172 / cnn Poll] 8353 by: Mark Jones 8356 by: Mark Jones second photo 8355 by: larry flesner First Flip in A KR!!! 8357 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 8360 by: Daniel Heath Warped elevator 8358 by: Glasco Motor Mount Attachment 8359 by: Jim Morehead 8361 by: Mark Jones Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:40:44 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Sean Clay" Subject: Kr1 Message-ID: I have a couple more questions. I Have been looking for a gascolator to replace the one that my plane came with but I cant find one that has a glass housing like mine does? Do I need to replance the whole thing or can I just replace the fliter. Does one filter fit all? And this is for any KR1 pilots what is an ideal rotation speed for takeoff. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:45:05 -0600 To: "Sean Clay" , From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Kr1 Message-ID: <002101c196c0$bb2f21c0$0200a8c0@dad> Sean, When I flew my KR-1, I never actually looked for the rotation speed. Also, one KR-1's airspeed ind. is probably going to be slightly different than another. I did just under 10 hours of taxiing before I flew for the first time. I did a lot of fast taxiing with the tail up (in calm winds) - maybe 3 hours total - before I ever flew it. When I did fly for the first time, I just did another fast taxi, and when the tail was up and everything felt good, I gave it a little more power (not full throttle) and very, very slight back pressure, and we were flying. When in the air, I gradually gave it full throttle to complete the climb out. I ended up using that method everytime for takeoff. I never did give it full throttle from a three point. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Clay" To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: KR> Kr1 > > I have a couple more questions. I Have been looking for a gascolator to > replace the one that my plane came with but I cant find one that has a glass > housing like mine does? Do I need to replance the whole thing or can I just > replace the fliter. Does one filter fit all? > And this is for any KR1 pilots what is an ideal rotation speed for takeoff. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:13:39 -0800 To: From: "Parley Byington" Subject: Fw: krnet Digest 6 Jan 2002 06:23:33 -0000 Issue 352 Message-ID: <001f01c19681$ac490a20$106cf1d8@parley> Mike: My Kr-2 weighs in at 703 empty, I fly it as a single seater with a gross wt of 1050 lbs. I can carry 19 gal of fuel in the header tank. I have a 1835 turbo charged VW and it cruises at 160 mph with a top speed of about 180 mph. My climb rate is between 600 ~ 900 ft/min depending on the gross weight and density alt. I run the engine at between 3300 rpm and 3800 rpms, manifold pressure ranges between 32 and 38 inches of mercury. I use a Fram 2815 oil filter mounted on the firewall, the oil temp run between 190 and 220 depending on the oat. My bird stalls at 50 mph indicated at gross wt. (I don't have flaps, I do have the original retractable landing gear.) I use a 52 X47 prop built by Aymer-Demuth. Hope this information helps. Regard Parley Byington (Kr-2 N54PB) parley@anv.net Henderson, Nv >I notice the manual calls for an empty weight for the KR-2 is 480 lbs. I = >am adding fuel tanks in the wings which will increase my gross weight = >some what. The manual also has a wing loading of 11.5 lbs. per sq. ft. = >and 78sq. ft. of wing area which equals 897 lbs. gross weight. Also = >power loading of 13.9 lbs per h.p. equals 903.5 lbs gross weight, for a = >65 h.p. engine. >I see a lot of netters putting in bigger and heaver engines, bigger and = >heaver fuel tanks, starters, strobes, generators and all of the goodies = >that go along with it. Then they stuff a heavy pilot and passenger in = >full of fuel and take off on a hot day and they seem to fly perfectly = >well.=20 > I have an 0-145 lyc. engine rated at 65h.p. which I can up grade to = >75h.p. by cranking in another 500rpms. This engine weights 153 lbs. = >without starter/generater or carb.=20 >I weigh 212 lbs, plan to install 2 eight gallon wing tanks for a total = >of 16 gals. and would like to know how much weight I can get away with = >and still have acceptable performance.=20 >I would like to know what the max weight anyone has taken off with with = >in a KR? I'm amazed at how much these KRs are lifting compared to what = >they were designed for. Has anyone ever stalled these KRs at a high = >gross weight and how did they react and recover from the stall?=20 >Comments please, Mike T. > *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:32:33 +1100 To: "KRnet" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> removing rudder/thanks Message-ID: <001001c196a5$faed23e0$9a97dccb@Matheson> Mark, Daniel, Larry. Thanks for the advice. No I did not build the KR2. It is about 1/2 complete, I have only had it a few weeks. As I am at the moment laying the cement slab for my workshop, I have not started on the KR2 as yet. I have going over it and found The warped elevator. It is warped outside the left hinge, It has only three hinges. The hinge seems to be fitted OK, but the elevator is about 3/16" above the V/Stab, ffrom the hinge out. I'll try unwarping it first and see what happens. Thanks again Phil matheson@dodo.com.au Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: 06 January 2002 00:25 Subject: Re: KR> removing rudder > Phillip Matheson wrote: > > >I have found that the Elevator on my KR2,s left side is miss aligned. > > I've heard of people cutting the vertical stabilizer spar and patching it > that way, but I'm like Dan, that wouldn't be my first choice. Have you > considered UNtweaking it? Assuming you built it so that both sides were > aligned in the first place, what's holding it OUT of line. Is it the > hinges? Then cut a little hole in the skin and move things around (or build > new hinges) to straighten it out. > > Or do you mean that the two sides of the elevator are no longer in the same > plane? I'd hang a lever on the tip with a weight on it and try to heat the > fiberglass skin up with a heater from below and a heat gun from above and > UNtweak it, let it cool, and it'll be fixed. It may take some trial and > error, but this is probably a two hour job, as opposed to a two month job. > You'd be amazed at how easy it is to "rearrange" fiberglass components with > a little judiciously applied heat. Now if it was BUILT out of line (and > somebody would have to try awfully hard to do that), and you'll be fighting > the spar to untwist it, this might not get you there. > > If you have to rebuild the elevator anyway, I'd cut the whole horizontal > stabilizer off and build a new one, with a new elevator, and get it right > this time. It might be a good excuse to incorporate Dr. Dean's hinge system > ( http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dean_hinge/ ). If you build a new > horizontal stabilizer and elevator, you might want to check out > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kht.html ... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:27:57 -0600 To: "Daniel Heath" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Weight Message-ID: <000a01c196cf$1aafa580$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Daniel: Your thinking is correct, he does have a 100 HP 0-200 Continental engine installed. I met Marty at the gathering at Canton last summer and saw his KR-2. It's one of the best I have seen and when he wants to he can climb like a home sick angel. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> Weight > If anyone ever sees a 480# KR2 please let me know. I saw Marty take off > from Covington with a passenger who is larger than he is. He had a big > engine in it, I think the 0-200. Took off and flew away like it had Ken in > it. I can't figure out what makes these planes able to take so much more > load than it was designed for, but they do. Be sure to be very careful > about your weight and balance. > > Good luck. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:04 PM > Subject: KR> Weight > > > I notice the manual calls for an empty weight for the KR-2 is 480 lbs. I am > adding fuel tanks in the wings which will increase my gross weight some > what. The manual also has a wing loading of 11.5 lbs. per sq. ft. and 78sq. > ft. of wing area which equals 897 lbs. gross weight. Also power loading of > 13.9 lbs per h.p. equals 903.5 lbs gross weight, for a 65 h.p. engine. > I see a lot of netters putting in bigger and heaver engines, bigger and > heaver fuel tanks, starters, strobes, generators and all of the goodies that > go along with it. Then they stuff a heavy pilot and passenger in full of > fuel and take off on a hot day and they seem to fly perfectly well. > I have an 0-145 lyc. engine rated at 65h.p. which I can up grade to 75h.p. > by cranking in another 500rpms. This engine weights 153 lbs. without > starter/generater or carb. > I weigh 212 lbs, plan to install 2 eight gallon wing tanks for a total of 16 > gals. and would like to know how much weight I can get away with and still > have acceptable performance. > I would like to know what the max weight anyone has taken off with with in a > KR? I'm amazed at how much these KRs are lifting compared to what they were > designed for. Has anyone ever stalled these KRs at a high gross weight and > how did they react and recover from the stall? > Comments please, Mike T. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:09:55 -0600 To: "rlspjs" , "Daniel Heath" , From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> Weight Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C196E5.BAB84440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marty's does have an O-200 and his empty weight is somewhere around 750#. N45DD with the O-200 weighs 660#. Jean N4DD Broken Arrow, OK =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Stone Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 10:29 AM To: Daniel Heath; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Weight =20 Daniel: Your thinking is correct, he does have a 100 HP 0-200 Continenta= l engine installed. I met Marty at the gathering at Canton last summer and saw his KR-2. It's one of the best I have seen and when he wants to he c= an climb like a home sick angel. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> Weight > If anyone ever sees a 480# KR2 please let me know. I saw Marty take of= f > from Covington with a passenger who is larger than he is. He had a big > engine in it, I think the 0-200. Took off and flew away like it had Ke= n in > it. I can't figure out what makes these planes able to take so much mo= re > load than it was designed for, but they do. Be sure to be very careful > about your weight and balance. > > Good luck. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:04 PM > Subject: KR> Weight > > > I notice the manual calls for an empty weight for the KR-2 is 480 lbs. = I am > adding fuel tanks in the wings which will increase my gross weight some > what. The manual also has a wing loading of 11.5 lbs. per sq. ft. and 78sq. > ft. of wing area which equals 897 lbs. gross weight. Also power loading= of > 13.9 lbs per h.p. equals 903.5 lbs gross weight, for a 65 h.p. engine. > I see a lot of netters putting in bigger and heaver engines, bigger and > heaver fuel tanks, starters, strobes, generators and all of the goodies that > go along with it. Then they stuff a heavy pilot and passenger in full o= f > fuel and take off on a hot day and they seem to fly perfectly well. > I have an 0-145 lyc. engine rated at 65h.p. which I can up grade to 75h.p. > by cranking in another 500rpms. This engine weights 153 lbs. without > starter/generater or carb. > I weigh 212 lbs, plan to install 2 eight gallon wing tanks for a total = of 16 > gals. and would like to know how much weight I can get away with and st= ill > have acceptable performance. > I would like to know what the max weight anyone has taken off with with= in a > KR? I'm amazed at how much these KRs are lifting compared to what they were > designed for. Has anyone ever stalled these KRs at a high gross weight = and > how did they react and recover from the stall? > Comments please, Mike T. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C196E5.BAB84440-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:38:23 -0500 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Weight Message-ID: <000c01c19724$6103f270$1d2f5d0c@scana.com> Jean, Have you sold N4DD yet? That is a gem and I wish I could afford it, but I can't. I had an 1835 and it weighed about 640. I think if you can come in under 550 you have done a good job. I think as soon as we finish the canopy, we will try to get an estimate on the WannaBee, but it is hard to weigh them with bathroom scales. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN VERON" To: "rlspjs" ; "Daniel Heath" ; Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:09 PM Subject: Re: KR> Weight Marty's does have an O-200 and his empty weight is somewhere around 750#. N45DD with the O-200 weighs 660#. Jean N4DD Broken Arrow, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Stone Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 10:29 AM To: Daniel Heath; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Weight Daniel: Your thinking is correct, he does have a 100 HP 0-200 Continental engine installed. I met Marty at the gathering at Canton last summer and saw his KR-2. It's one of the best I have seen and when he wants to he can climb like a home sick angel. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> Weight > If anyone ever sees a 480# KR2 please let me know. I saw Marty take off > from Covington with a passenger who is larger than he is. He had a big > engine in it, I think the 0-200. Took off and flew away like it had Ken in > it. I can't figure out what makes these planes able to take so much more > load than it was designed for, but they do. Be sure to be very careful > about your weight and balance. > > Good luck. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:04 PM > Subject: KR> Weight > > > I notice the manual calls for an empty weight for the KR-2 is 480 lbs. I am > adding fuel tanks in the wings which will increase my gross weight some > what. The manual also has a wing loading of 11.5 lbs. per sq. ft. and 78sq. > ft. of wing area which equals 897 lbs. gross weight. Also power loading of > 13.9 lbs per h.p. equals 903.5 lbs gross weight, for a 65 h.p. engine. > I see a lot of netters putting in bigger and heaver engines, bigger and > heaver fuel tanks, starters, strobes, generators and all of the goodies that > go along with it. Then they stuff a heavy pilot and passenger in full of > fuel and take off on a hot day and they seem to fly perfectly well. > I have an 0-145 lyc. engine rated at 65h.p. which I can up grade to 75h.p. > by cranking in another 500rpms. This engine weights 153 lbs. without > starter/generater or carb. > I weigh 212 lbs, plan to install 2 eight gallon wing tanks for a total of 16 > gals. and would like to know how much weight I can get away with and still > have acceptable performance. > I would like to know what the max weight anyone has taken off with with in a > KR? I'm amazed at how much these KRs are lifting compared to what they were > designed for. Has anyone ever stalled these KRs at a high gross weight and > how did they react and recover from the stall? > Comments please, Mike T. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:30:48 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... Message-ID: <001d01c196e3$632caf60$75a5e2d1@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1969D.355FFEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's an idea I'd like to pass by the group. Instead of cutting up the tail feathers at each hinge point to gain = access to the hinge bolts, why not use one, long hinge pin to go through = all the hinge points? The pin would have a 'stopper' on one end, and be threaded on the other = end to accept a nut. It would be inserted from the end of the control = surface, slide through the hinge points, and access to install the nut = would have to be cut in only at the opposite (inboard) end of the flight = surface where it would not be noticed. Whatever form of hinge used, = they components would have to be 'lapped' to ensure the flight surface = did not slide sideways. Thoughts...?? mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1969D.355FFEC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:48:45 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Tip for Sanding Hot Melt Glue Message-ID: <001e01c196e3$647c60e0$75a5e2d1@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1969F.B6AF6900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's something that I hope may be of help to others. I blithely used hot melt glue to glue the foam when building up my = turtledeck/canopy/foredeck plug. When it came time to sand, you know = what happened! =20 I originally used 40G and 80G full coat aluminum oxide paper (the = expensive stuff). Of course it was clogging with hotmelt glue = immediately it came into contact with the stuff. =20 At one point, a bit tired of using up the expensive paper, I = glue-sticked some cheap, 100G, open coat garnet paper to my sanding = board. Amazingly, the paper didn't clog! I've now had the same piece = of paper on my sanding board for over two months. Hope this helps someone else down the way who's about to have to sand = hotmelt glue. =20 Also, if anyone is planning on using blue 'styrofoam' for their = airplane, may I suggest you use the billets used for floatation in = floating docks. This foam weigh the same as insulation foam = (2lbs/cuft), but has a more open pore to it that makes sanding it alot = easier. The billets come in 12" x 18" x 8 ft long bulks. I used two = board clamped close together and a hand saw to cut planks from it. = Another thing, it's much cheaper for the bulk than an equivalent amount = of insulation foam. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1969F.B6AF6900-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:59:26 -0500 To: "Peter Johnson" , From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Tip for Sanding Hot Melt Glue Message-ID: All, We are using hot glue also to hold pieces of foam together. We use it a LOT but we never let it get above the surfaces to be sanded.... If you do let some get up there just cut it off with a knife before sanding. You can always put a little dry micro in any gouged out holes.... We really like the hot glue..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC www.jerrymahurin.com On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:48:45 -0800 "Peter Johnson" wrote: > Here's something that I hope may be of help to others. > > I blithely used hot melt glue to glue the foam when > building up my turtledeck/canopy/foredeck plug. When it > came time to sand, you know what happened! > > I originally used 40G and 80G full coat aluminum oxide > paper (the expensive stuff). Of course it was clogging > with hotmelt glue immediately it came into contact with > the stuff. > > At one point, a bit tired of using up the expensive > paper, I glue-sticked some cheap, 100G, open coat garnet > paper to my sanding board. Amazingly, the paper didn't > clog! I've now had the same piece of paper on my sanding > board for over two months. > > Hope this helps someone else down the way who's about to > have to sand hotmelt glue. > > Also, if anyone is planning on using blue 'styrofoam' for > their airplane, may I suggest you use the billets used > for floatation in floating docks. This foam weigh the > same as insulation foam (2lbs/cuft), but has a more open > pore to it that makes sanding it alot easier. The > billets come in 12" x 18" x 8 ft long bulks. I used two > board clamped close together and a hand saw to cut planks > from it. Another thing, it's much cheaper for the bulk > than an equivalent amount of insulation foam. > mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:38:01 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: ENGINE MOUNT DIMENSIONS Message-ID: <20020106.133802.-160793.1.viscan@juno.com> Does the weight of the engine, and accessories, influence the location of mounting holes in firewall ? I have measurements for a Polywagon mount for a Revmaster engine. They show mounting holes 18 inches apart (both top and bottom mounts). I have a HAPI mount, for a VW, that measures 13 inches for both top and bottom pairs. Does anyone have a Revmaster engine mount, for the KR-2, that can tell me if the holes in their firewall are different ? Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:55:14 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Tim Brown Subject: Re: KR> ENGINE MOUNT DIMENSIONS Message-ID: <20020106195514.67111.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> My Revmaster mount for KR2S Tri-gear has the bottom holes 13" apart and three on top measuring from left to right looking at the firewall...0, 15", 26" (with the zero being the hole at the left). Tim --- "Philip J. Visconti" wrote: > Does the weight of the engine, and accessories, > influence the location of > mounting holes in firewall ? I have > measurements for a Polywagon mount > for a Revmaster engine. They show mounting > holes 18 inches apart (both > top and bottom mounts). I have a HAPI mount, > for a VW, that measures 13 > inches for both top and bottom pairs. Does > anyone have a Revmaster engine > mount, for the KR-2, that can tell me if the > holes in their firewall are > different ? > > Phil > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for > less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, > visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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It is in the lower right corner of their page. -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html --------------A7BCC02E86297EA314DC0679 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from a.mx.execpc.com (a.mx.execpc.com [169.207.1.102]) by core0.mx.execpc.com (8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18541 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:34:09 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: Received: from netserver123.otr.usm.edu (webmail.usm.edu [131.95.82.53]) by a.mx.execpc.com (8.11.1) with ESMTP id g072Y5f39924 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:34:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by netserver123.otr.usm.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g072MaV18423 for corvaircraft-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:22:36 -0600 Delivered-To: corvaircraft@usm.edu Message-ID: <003c01c19724$2d55d060$9100a8c0@cfl.rr.com> From: "Dave Poirier" To: References: <07be01c1971b$b5f618c0$761bb940@Jimi> Subject: corvaircraft: Tampa C-172 / cnn Poll Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:36:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-corvaircraft@listserv.usm.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: corvaircraft@usm.edu X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== Exactly what I feared & expected. A country that fights over our right to have guns can be easily led to pull other rights from "minorities" such as private pilots. I voted. Remember, Frankenstein had a speech impediment and the mob carried torches to run him down. He was misunderstood. It was a tragedy. Don't let the same happen to our rights. Be sure your voice is heard. Again, I voted. Dave P. P.S. > Even worse, we call it a "Monster Movie", yet we call "The Elephant Man" a Drama...... > Thanks to this student pilot, CNN is taking a poll. > > They want to get everyones feel for making it more difficult to > "access airplanes." > > It would behoove us to go over there and place a vote, before someone > takes this poll seriously and the misled masses do away with our > ability to fly. > > Today certified airplanes, tomorrow ultralights, the day after > tomorrow we'll be signing papers to make insterstate trips in our > cars (yea, yea, I know that's going off the deep end, but I had to > get your attention). > > So go vote already. Here's a link. > > http://cnn.com > > Jimi ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe corvaircraft" to"majordomo@usm.edu" For help send "info corvaircraft" or "help" to "majordomo@usm.edu" --------------A7BCC02E86297EA314DC0679-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:46:41 -0600 To: BillStarrs , CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: KR> [Fwd: corvaircraft: Tampa C-172 / cnn Poll] Message-ID: <3C392830.49DE6FD6@execpc.com> I just checked the site and they changed the "Quick Vote" poll. Now they are asking if you plan to buy a new car this year. The last tally I saw was something like 26,000 yes planes should be made harder to access vs 14,000 no planes should not be made harder to access. Guess the vote is over. Mark Jones BillStarrs wrote: > Where in the lower rt. corner is the pole? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR-Net" > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:12 PM > Subject: KR> [Fwd: corvaircraft: Tampa C-172 / cnn Poll] > > > Please vote at CNN. It is in the lower right corner of their page. > > > > -- > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:06:29 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: second photo Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020106220629.00888410@mail.midwest.net> --=====================_1010397989==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" second photo --=====================_1010397989==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=====================_1010397989==_-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:34:41 +0200 To: krnet mailing lists From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: First Flip in A KR!!! Message-ID: Hello netters Well its official I had my first flip I a KR2 (Stock). Serge Vidal was kind enough to brink his KR to a local airport just so I could see it and he took me up for a flight. After using up most of the runway on the take off run (Density alt. 9000' !!!) we were airborne getting a climb rate of approximately 200 ft/min. After reaching circuit altitude he handed the controls over to me with a warning that I must make myself ready for a pitch sensitive control, when I took over the porpoising started. (I was trying to fly from the elbow ) I soon changed that to control the KR with finger tips that did the trick, the porpoising minimized. This little aircraft is as Serge calls it is "a pilots airplane". It is definitely not those C172, C150 or PA 140 that I am accustomed to flying, It is very responsive and I suppose if you are not awake you will get yourself into trouble very quickly. Serge took over the controls again and proceeded to make an excellent landing ( I now had a new found admiration for his flying ability in keeping the KR so still) I would like to express my thanks to Serge for his effort. Now I know The KR is My type of flying machine! Danny Livingstone Sasolburg South Africa > -----Original Message----- > From: David R. Christensen [SMTP:davec@favorites.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 4:53 AM > To: krnet mailing lists > Subject: KR> test > > test ********************************************************************** This e-mail and its attachments, if any, are intended only for use by the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, or both. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are strictly prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this email and its attachments, if any. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail, its attachments, and any printed copies of any of them. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:44:52 -0500 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> First Flip in A KR!!! Message-ID: <001401c19770$b9190300$2d2c5d0c@scana.com> You are right about this being a pilots airplane. I don't think it gets the respect it deserves among the homebuilt community. Several years ago when I was due for my bi-annual check ride, I flew the Little Beast to the home airport of my instructor. This person actually owned a KR and loved it. Well as luck would have it, when I arrived, I made the best landing ever. It was just a sweet kiss of the mains right on the center of that big black line. He was watching. When I got out of the KR, he came over and said "anyone who can land a KR like that doesn't need a check ride" and offered to sign me off right there. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" To: "krnet mailing lists" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: KR> First Flip in A KR!!! > Hello netters > > Well its official I had my first flip I a KR2 (Stock). Serge Vidal was kind > enough to brink his KR to a local airport just so I could see it and he took > me up for a flight. After using up most of the runway on the take off run > (Density alt. 9000' !!!) we were airborne getting a climb rate of > approximately 200 ft/min. After reaching circuit altitude he handed the > controls over to me with a warning that I must make myself ready for a pitch > sensitive control, when I took over the porpoising started. (I was trying to > fly from the elbow ) I soon changed that to control the KR with finger tips > that did the trick, the porpoising minimized. This little aircraft is as > Serge calls it is "a pilots airplane". It is definitely not those C172, C150 > or PA 140 that I am accustomed to flying, It is very responsive and I > suppose if you are not awake you will get yourself into trouble very > quickly. Serge took over the controls again and proceeded to make an > excellent landing ( I now had a new found admiration for his flying ability > in keeping the KR so still) > > I would like to express my thanks to Serge for his effort. > > Now I know The KR is My type of flying machine! > > Danny Livingstone > Sasolburg > South Africa > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David R. Christensen [SMTP:davec@favorites.com] > > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 4:53 AM > > To: krnet mailing lists > > Subject: KR> test > > > > test > > > ********************************************************************** > This e-mail and its attachments, if any, are intended only > for use by the named addressee(s) and may contain > information that is legally privileged, confidential, or both. If > you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are > strictly prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying > this email and its attachments, if any. If you have received > this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and > permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail, > its attachments, and any printed copies of any of them. > ********************************************************************** > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:33:34 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Glasco Subject: Warped elevator Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020106223334.007ee560@ridgenet.net> Mark, Daniel, Larry. Thanks for the advice. No I did not build the KR2. It is about 1/2 complete, I have only had it a few weeks. As I am at the moment laying the cement slab for my workshop, I have not started on the KR2 as yet. I have going over it and found The warped elevator. It is warped outside the left hinge, It has only three hinges. The hinge seems to be fitted OK, but the elevator is about 3/16" above the V/Stab, ffrom the hinge out. Interesting, I bought a 'boat' that was built several years ago and discovered an almost identical elevator problem as I was inspecting it. I don't think it was built that way so suspect it has to do with time in storage without finish. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 23:09:25 -0800 To: KR- Net From: Jim Morehead Subject: Motor Mount Attachment Message-ID: Netters, When attaching the motor mount to the KR2 firewall the RR plan book says =B3to use aluminum backup plates behind the 5/8 x 3 inch spruce.=B2 I=B9m using the Diehl tri-gear, will it be strong enough to just to use another aluminum plate behind the tri-gear mount or should there be an aluminum angle across the bottom attach points? Happy New Year to All, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 06:45:52 -0600 To: Jim Morehead , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: KR> Motor Mount Attachment Message-ID: <3C399880.69944C6A@execpc.com> Jim, There is no need for the aluminum angle as you refer to. An aluminum plate or AN970 washers behind the Diehl nose gear mount will suffice. I used the AN970 on mine and am not concerned with the strength. Most of the loading from the nose gear is absorbed in the two braces which attach to the motor mount. Mark Jones Jim Morehead wrote: > Netters, > When attaching the motor mount to the KR2 firewall the RR plan book > says ³to use aluminum backup plates behind the 5/8 x 3 inch spruce.² Iım > using the Diehl tri-gear, will it be strong enough to just to use another > aluminum plate behind the tri-gear mount or should there be an aluminum > angle across the bottom attach points? > > Happy New Year to All, > Jim Morehead > Cameron Park, CA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************