From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 26 Jan 2002 00:40:01 -0000 Issue 362 Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:40 PM krnet Digest 26 Jan 2002 00:40:01 -0000 Issue 362 Topics (messages 8546 through 8565): Re: Nose gear 8546 by: Joseph H. Horton Re: KR- an antique? 8547 by: Philip J. Visconti 8550 by: larry flesner 8551 by: larry flesner 8555 by: virgnvs.juno.com 8556 by: virgnvs.juno.com 8557 by: Philip J. Visconti Subject: kr nose gear 8548 by: John Bouyea Plyfoam 8549 by: Phillip Matheson Experimentals Targeted by Media 8552 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 8553 by: gleone 8558 by: saunders 8560 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 8561 by: gleone Joke 8554 by: flyKRS.netscape.net Tig welders and KR2 for sale 8559 by: The Pond Family Re: New E-mail Address 8562 by: Jerry Mahurin SELL OR TRADE 8563 by: Philip J. Visconti 8565 by: Ralph H Snyder PRICE for sell/trade 8564 by: Philip J. Visconti Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:09:29 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: Nose gear Message-ID: <20020123.210929.-388365.3.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Mark Jones; It just happens that I talked to Dan Deihl about the same concern you have with the nose gear loaded weight.( about a week ago) He did not express extreme concern and thought that the greatest potential for failure to be on grass or soft field. He also spoke of landing technique in respect to flaring and holding the nose wheel off until the plane is ready for it to set down. He did say that he had made heaver tubes for a few and also stated that the filling of the tube to be unnecessary. I'm thinking about asking him to make a heaver tube for me. BTW the reason that I called him was about the nose wheel and tire assembly because I had a slight wobble that wasn't related to balance. I discovered the wobble by blowing high air pressure on the tire and got it spinning very fast. Dan was familiar with the problem and told me to let the air out, loosen the thru bolts and slightly realign the two wheel halves as their locating pins have alot of slop in them. It may take a few trys to get it perfect. I was working through all this to try and eliminate all the potential for wheel shimmy that I can. Much of my fire wall forward is like yours. Hope some of this helps. Joe Horton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:52:54 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: Re: KR> KR- an antique? Message-ID: <20020123.225255.-613451.0.viscan@juno.com> Anyone remember the March 1974 issue of "Air Progress" magazine ? That's where I first saw the KR story. Composite aircraft building seem to credit Rutan with original instead of Ken Rand. Who writes history ? The PR people decide what is history, not necessarily the truth. Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:43:33 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: KR- an antique? Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020124064333.0089dbc0@mail.midwest.net> the KR design will be 30 years old (correct me if I'm >wrong). The FARs allow such a design to bear registration markings with a >NX- prefix (like NX1234A), and to dispense with the large "EXPERIMENTAL" >placard at the entry to the cockpit. >Oscar Zuniga +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Oscar, Where in the FAR's is that covered? I wanted to get the "Spirit of St. Louis" ( X-211) number for my KR but request form said "no number starting with X". Soooo, I tried just 211 and the EAA has that for the "Spirit" replica. I ended up getting 211LF. You'd be surprised how many numbers of famous aircraft are available with a little searching. There probably won't be now that I let the cat out of the bag. (does getting the number from old photo's answer you question? ) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:51:14 -0600 To: From: larry flesner Subject: KR- an antique? Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020124065114.0089b600@mail.midwest.net> >Kens KR-2 was featured it the march 1975 Sport Aviation with a photo of >Wicks KR.2 on the cover. Wicks built the KR.2 in 74 days ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++ Netters, I found two of these for sale at one of the Gatherings. I purchased both, had several of the photos enlarged on a color copier, spent $60 to have them framed and presented them to Jeanette Rand at the next Gathering. She claims they are now in her "photo gallery" (hallway of her house) with other historical photos. I ended up giving her both magizines also as she said she wasn't sure if she had one and her daughters would like one also. Just a soft touch I guess. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:08:45 -0500 To: taildrags@hotmail.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR- an antique? Message-ID: <20020124.162134.-374043.0.virgnvs@juno.com> K R =1972, 30 years old now, Virg On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:15:09 "Oscar Zuniga" writes: > Hello, netters; > > In another 5 years, the KR design will be 30 years old (correct me > if I'm > wrong). The FARs allow such a design to bear registration markings > with a > NX- prefix (like NX1234A), and to dispense with the large > "EXPERIMENTAL" > placard at the entry to the cockpit. > > Did you ever think the KR would be considered an "antique"? ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:45:31 -0500 To: danrh@att.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR- an antique? Message-ID: <20020124.162134.-374043.3.virgnvs@juno.com> And Lakeland!!!!!, Virg On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:06:26 -0800 "Daniel Heath" writes: > I think you are wrong. I think it is this year. Big party at the > Gathering > this year,,,, YES???? > > Daniel R. Heath > > www.EAA242.com > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 3:15 PM > Subject: KR> KR- an antique? > > > > Hello, netters; > > > > In another 5 years, the KR design will be 30 years old (correct me > if I'm > > wrong). The FARs allow such a design to bear registration > markings with a > > NX- prefix (like NX1234A), and to dispense with the large > "EXPERIMENTAL" > > placard at the entry to the cockpit. > > > > Did you ever think the KR would be considered an "antique"? ;o) > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, Oregon > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:34:05 -0500 To: virgnvs@juno.com From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: taildrags@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR- an antique? Message-ID: <20020124.173406.-333009.1.viscan@juno.com> Where, oh where, does FAR Part 47 (or any other part) say anything about special N-numbers for "ANTIQUES"??? Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:33:47 -0800 To: From: "John Bouyea" Subject: Subject: kr nose gear Message-ID: <007601c1a498$baf35ce0$1a00a8c0@bou5100> ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C1A455.A3DA6960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mac (and all,) As for your gear collapse, I don't know the specifics. As for Joe's gear collapse, I do know the specifics; I watched it. Joe = bounced his landing and then planted the airplane on the ground nose = gear first. The gear folded and the prop broke before the mains touched = down. He climbed out, dusted himself off and recovered the prop = fragments. Then we dragged his airplane back to my house, took off the = wings, and trailered it to his hanger. Joe uses his own designed landing gear (nose and mains.) It is not Dan = Deihl's equipment. I hope Dan's testing of his product is as he indicates. I know he specs = the main gear @ 3g. I feel confident that his nose gear product is = sufficiently sturdy. I am using Dan's nose gear on my KR. There are = lots of others (including many here on KRNet) using it too. I hope this = helps fill in the picture. John Bouyea KR2 - N5391M/ in rebuild KR2 - on the gear KR2S - boat stage http://www.bouyea.net john@bouyea.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:48:58 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: kr nose gear=20 Message-ID: Mark I have to recheck I think Its Like 150 or so for a vw with full elc = system I have the photos all try to get them out. Joe beyer had a = collapse=20 dan did make me a heaver wall gear and than I filled it with epoxy and = welded=20 brace. dan deil thinks the firewall to weak to take the braces gear I = think=20 he's wrong! After all I broke my nose and 13 stitches and have other = pilots=20 that feel the same Its to weak and love your plane and don't wont you or = fellow Kr brother to have It happen to them. Joe beyer will till you the = same=20 beef It up!!!!!!! others came forward about the gear but I cant remember mac ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C1A455.A3DA6960-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:12:20 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Plyfoam Message-ID: <003801c1a49e$15ec99e0$4796dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1A4FA.48520A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks all for comments on plyfoam I have found a local supplier of foam to make up some plyfoam. Phil matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1A4FA.48520A80-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:58:24 -0600 (CST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: corvaircraft@usm.edu Subject: Experimentals Targeted by Media Message-Id: <200201241358.HAA02622@nm1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> From AVFlash 8.04b AVIATION TODAY -- IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER... The media spotlight these days has roamed from commercial aviation to general aviation, and now apparently it's time for experimental aviation to endure that scrutiny. Tuesday night's CBS Evening News found cause to note yet another way light aircraft can be used to terrorize the public ... through drug trafficking. It seems CBS picked up on the fact that investigators with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration last spring discovered five kitbuilt Velocity aircraft in the possession of an alleged drug transport chief in Mexico. CBS reported that law- enforcement and DEA officials found the kitbuilt fiberglass airplanes inherently suspicious, because they could theoretically be used as radar-elusive drug haulers. ...THE NEW KITBUILT "STEALTH" AIRCRAFT... After all, fiberglass (unlike carbon fiber) does not reflect radar, but rather absorbs it rather well -- just about all the radar sees is the engine. Thus, CBS concluded, the Velocity is tough to track by drug- enforcement agencies, especially within Mexico, and theoretically could penetrate the U.S. border patrol. Joe Bendig, the director of U.S. Customs' radar center, told CBS that radar has a problem finding small fiberglass aircraft like the Velocity: "The radar pretty much gets absorbed by the skin." Responding to the CBS report, EAA yesterday said repeated research has shown that the metal in the engine of fiberglass airplanes is more than enough to easily allow radar tracking -- unless the engine has been modified to shield it from radar detection, not an easy task. ...MIXING INNOCENT DESIGNS WITH EVIL INTENT While the Velocity got all the attention for having been found in one suspected ne'er-do-well's possession, we couldn't help but speculate that among homebuilt aircraft, the Velocity -- a four-place pusher canard -- is probably not the best choice for heavy hauling from short unimproved airstrips. What a drug trafficker really wants is something like an Aerocomp Comp Air 10 XL Turboprop. That aircraft can haul an 800-pound load out of a 250-foot airstrip and cruise for near 700 nm at close to 200 mph. As scrutiny marches from the most-familiar aircraft (airliners) through general aviation and onward to experimental planes, it seems, at least to us, that ultralights might be next on the list ... provided the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft rules don't catch the crosshairs next. Consider this an early warning. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:36:23 -0700 To: flykr2s@execpc.com From: gleone CC: krnet@mailinglists.org, corvaircraft@usm.edu Subject: Re: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media Message-ID: <3C5029F7.C89E1409@tritel.net> As is typical of our illustrious news(-less) media, they're wrong again. The Soviets (Koreans, Chinese and other marxist countries) used a Russian transport which was made of wood and fabric. The designation eludes me right now (no pun intended) but it didn't show up on radar UNTIL the radar operators reset their MTI (Moving Target Indicator). Since these planes flew low and slow, they would "evade" detection because the radar would exclude them. HOWEVER, once the MTI was reset to low speeds, they show up like any other plane. Why high MTI speeds? Birds. Think back to our DEW Line where flocks of geese would clutter the radar screens. Now, if stealth aircraft were as simple as building composite airplanes, I think the Soviets would have built their own years ago. This is why I gave up watching network news years ago. Having grown up both a working and rodeo cowboy, I've seen enough bovine fecal matter to not want any more brought into my home. We could e-mail these network cretins, but why bother? The evil Capitalist who can afford to buy or (horror upon horrors!) BUILD their own plane surely must generally listen to Rush Limbaugh, too! (Sorry if that offends anyone. I'm not making a political statement. I'm just pointing out the idiocy that passes for our news media. No offense meant to anyone on the Right or left or somewhere in between.) Gene, Wyoming flykr2s@execpc.com wrote: > >From AVFlash 8.04b > AVIATION TODAY -- IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER... > The media spotlight these days has roamed from commercial aviation > to > general aviation, and now apparently it's time for experimental > aviation > to endure that scrutiny. Tuesday night's CBS Evening News found > cause > to note yet another way light aircraft can be used to terrorize the > public ... through drug trafficking. It seems CBS picked up on the > fact > that investigators with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration > last > spring discovered five kitbuilt Velocity aircraft in the possession > of > an alleged drug transport chief in Mexico. CBS reported that law- > enforcement and DEA officials found the kitbuilt fiberglass > airplanes > inherently suspicious, because they could theoretically be used as > radar-elusive drug haulers. > > ...THE NEW KITBUILT "STEALTH" AIRCRAFT... > After all, fiberglass (unlike carbon fiber) does not reflect radar, > but > rather absorbs it rather well -- just about all the radar sees is > the > engine. Thus, CBS concluded, the Velocity is tough to track by > drug- > enforcement agencies, especially within Mexico, and theoretically > could > penetrate the U.S. border patrol. Joe Bendig, the director of U.S. > Customs' radar center, told CBS that radar has a problem finding > small > fiberglass aircraft like the Velocity: "The radar pretty much gets > absorbed by the skin." Responding to the CBS report, EAA yesterday > said > repeated research has shown that the metal in the engine of > fiberglass > airplanes is more than enough to easily allow radar tracking -- > unless > the engine has been modified to shield it from radar detection, not > an > easy task. > > ...MIXING INNOCENT DESIGNS WITH EVIL INTENT > While the Velocity got all the attention for having been found in > one > suspected ne'er-do-well's possession, we couldn't help but speculate > that among homebuilt aircraft, the Velocity -- a four-place pusher > canard -- is probably not the best choice for heavy hauling from > short > unimproved airstrips. What a drug trafficker really wants is > something > like an Aerocomp Comp Air 10 XL Turboprop. That aircraft can haul > an > 800-pound load out of a 250-foot airstrip and cruise for near 700 nm > at > close to 200 mph. As scrutiny marches from the most-familiar > aircraft > (airliners) through general aviation and onward to experimental > planes, > it seems, at least to us, that ultralights might be next on the list > ... > provided the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft rules don't catch the > crosshairs next. Consider this an early warning. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:35:31 -0500 To: "gleone" , From: "saunders" Cc: , Subject: Re: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media Message-ID: <001301c1a527$70797480$1a60c4cf@mike> Typical fodder from the media, however it can be sensationalized, they will. Political leanings aside, the media shows it's idiot mentality again. Misrepresentations like this are why we should support organizations like EAA and AOPA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media > As is typical of our illustrious news(-less) media, they're wrong again. > The Soviets (Koreans, Chinese and other marxist countries) used a Russian > transport which was made of wood and fabric. The designation eludes me > right now (no pun intended) but it didn't show up on radar UNTIL the radar > operators reset their MTI (Moving Target Indicator). Since these planes > flew low and slow, they would "evade" detection because the radar would > exclude them. HOWEVER, once the MTI was reset to low speeds, they show up > like any other plane. Why high MTI speeds? Birds. Think back to our DEW > Line where flocks of geese would clutter the radar screens. Now, if > stealth aircraft were as simple as building composite airplanes, I think > the Soviets would have built their own years ago. This is why I gave up > watching network news years ago. Having grown up both a working and rodeo > cowboy, I've seen enough bovine fecal matter to not want any more brought > into my home. We could e-mail these network cretins, but why bother? The > evil Capitalist who can afford to buy or (horror upon horrors!) BUILD > their own plane surely must generally listen to Rush Limbaugh, too! > (Sorry if that offends anyone. I'm not making a political statement. I'm > just pointing out the idiocy that passes for our news media. No offense > meant to anyone on the Right or left or somewhere in between.) Gene, > Wyoming > > flykr2s@execpc.com wrote: > > > >From AVFlash 8.04b > > AVIATION TODAY -- IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER... > > The media spotlight these days has roamed from commercial aviation > > to > > general aviation, and now apparently it's time for experimental > > aviation > > to endure that scrutiny. Tuesday night's CBS Evening News found > > cause > > to note yet another way light aircraft can be used to terrorize the > > public ... through drug trafficking. It seems CBS picked up on the > > fact > > that investigators with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration > > last > > spring discovered five kitbuilt Velocity aircraft in the possession > > of > > an alleged drug transport chief in Mexico. CBS reported that law- > > enforcement and DEA officials found the kitbuilt fiberglass > > airplanes > > inherently suspicious, because they could theoretically be used as > > radar-elusive drug haulers. > > > > ...THE NEW KITBUILT "STEALTH" AIRCRAFT... > > After all, fiberglass (unlike carbon fiber) does not reflect radar, > > but > > rather absorbs it rather well -- just about all the radar sees is > > the > > engine. Thus, CBS concluded, the Velocity is tough to track by > > drug- > > enforcement agencies, especially within Mexico, and theoretically > > could > > penetrate the U.S. border patrol. Joe Bendig, the director of U.S. > > Customs' radar center, told CBS that radar has a problem finding > > small > > fiberglass aircraft like the Velocity: "The radar pretty much gets > > absorbed by the skin." Responding to the CBS report, EAA yesterday > > said > > repeated research has shown that the metal in the engine of > > fiberglass > > airplanes is more than enough to easily allow radar tracking -- > > unless > > the engine has been modified to shield it from radar detection, not > > an > > easy task. > > > > ...MIXING INNOCENT DESIGNS WITH EVIL INTENT > > While the Velocity got all the attention for having been found in > > one > > suspected ne'er-do-well's possession, we couldn't help but speculate > > that among homebuilt aircraft, the Velocity -- a four-place pusher > > canard -- is probably not the best choice for heavy hauling from > > short > > unimproved airstrips. What a drug trafficker really wants is > > something > > like an Aerocomp Comp Air 10 XL Turboprop. That aircraft can haul > > an > > 800-pound load out of a 250-foot airstrip and cruise for near 700 nm > > at > > close to 200 mph. As scrutiny marches from the most-familiar > > aircraft > > (airliners) through general aviation and onward to experimental > > planes, > > it seems, at least to us, that ultralights might be next on the list > > ... > > provided the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft rules don't catch the > > crosshairs next. Consider this an early warning. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:22:02 -0500 To: "saunders" , "gleone" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Cc: , Subject: RE: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media Message-ID: For thirty years, I've avoided joining the AOPA because I thought any organization that pushed that much enrollment paper was wasting money. Just this month, I've sent in my money, 'cause I can see we need all the representation we can get. I'll bet hot air ballons would fall under the MTI target speed. Maybe the government needs to watch those guys too! Questio for our Montana cowboy.... ??? Can you burn bovine fecal matter to fuel a hot air balloon? Think of the possibilities!!! ;o) Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: saunders [mailto:saunders@hereintown.net] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:36 PM To: gleone; flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org; corvaircraft@usm.edu Subject: Re: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media Typical fodder from the media, however it can be sensationalized, they will. Political leanings aside, the media shows it's idiot mentality again. Misrepresentations like this are why we should support organizations like EAA and AOPA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media > As is typical of our illustrious news(-less) media, they're wrong again. > The Soviets (Koreans, Chinese and other marxist countries) used a Russian > transport which was made of wood and fabric. The designation eludes me > right now (no pun intended) but it didn't show up on radar UNTIL the radar > operators reset their MTI (Moving Target Indicator). Since these planes > flew low and slow, they would "evade" detection because the radar would > exclude them. HOWEVER, once the MTI was reset to low speeds, they show up > like any other plane. Why high MTI speeds? Birds. Think back to our DEW > Line where flocks of geese would clutter the radar screens. Now, if > stealth aircraft were as simple as building composite airplanes, I think > the Soviets would have built their own years ago. This is why I gave up > watching network news years ago. Having grown up both a working and rodeo > cowboy, I've seen enough bovine fecal matter to not want any more brought > into my home. We could e-mail these network cretins, but why bother? The > evil Capitalist who can afford to buy or (horror upon horrors!) BUILD > their own plane surely must generally listen to Rush Limbaugh, too! > (Sorry if that offends anyone. I'm not making a political statement. I'm > just pointing out the idiocy that passes for our news media. No offense > meant to anyone on the Right or left or somewhere in between.) Gene, > Wyoming > > flykr2s@execpc.com wrote: > > > >From AVFlash 8.04b > > AVIATION TODAY -- IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER... > > The media spotlight these days has roamed from commercial aviation > > to > > general aviation, and now apparently it's time for experimental > > aviation > > to endure that scrutiny. Tuesday night's CBS Evening News found > > cause > > to note yet another way light aircraft can be used to terrorize the > > public ... through drug trafficking. It seems CBS picked up on the > > fact > > that investigators with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration > > last > > spring discovered five kitbuilt Velocity aircraft in the possession > > of > > an alleged drug transport chief in Mexico. CBS reported that law- > > enforcement and DEA officials found the kitbuilt fiberglass > > airplanes > > inherently suspicious, because they could theoretically be used as > > radar-elusive drug haulers. > > > > ...THE NEW KITBUILT "STEALTH" AIRCRAFT... > > After all, fiberglass (unlike carbon fiber) does not reflect radar, > > but > > rather absorbs it rather well -- just about all the radar sees is > > the > > engine. Thus, CBS concluded, the Velocity is tough to track by > > drug- > > enforcement agencies, especially within Mexico, and theoretically > > could > > penetrate the U.S. border patrol. Joe Bendig, the director of U.S. > > Customs' radar center, told CBS that radar has a problem finding > > small > > fiberglass aircraft like the Velocity: "The radar pretty much gets > > absorbed by the skin." Responding to the CBS report, EAA yesterday > > said > > repeated research has shown that the metal in the engine of > > fiberglass > > airplanes is more than enough to easily allow radar tracking -- > > unless > > the engine has been modified to shield it from radar detection, not > > an > > easy task. > > > > ...MIXING INNOCENT DESIGNS WITH EVIL INTENT > > While the Velocity got all the attention for having been found in > > one > > suspected ne'er-do-well's possession, we couldn't help but speculate > > that among homebuilt aircraft, the Velocity -- a four-place pusher > > canard -- is probably not the best choice for heavy hauling from > > short > > unimproved airstrips. What a drug trafficker really wants is > > something > > like an Aerocomp Comp Air 10 XL Turboprop. That aircraft can haul > > an > > 800-pound load out of a 250-foot airstrip and cruise for near 700 nm > > at > > close to 200 mph. As scrutiny marches from the most-familiar > > aircraft > > (airliners) through general aviation and onward to experimental > > planes, > > it seems, at least to us, that ultralights might be next on the list > > ... > > provided the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft rules don't catch the > > crosshairs next. Consider this an early warning. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:36:18 -0700 To: ron.martha@mindspring.com From: gleone CC: saunders , flykr2s@execpc.com, krnet@mailinglists.org, corvaircraft@usm.edu Subject: Re: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media Message-ID: <3C50E0C2.605ACC7@tritel.net> I'm a Wyoming cowboy and yes, you can burn it to power a hot air balloon! I'd rather float said hot air balloon over their studios and drop a 20 megapounder bovine fecal matter bomb on the network studios with comrades brokaw For thirty years, I've avoided joining the AOPA because I thought any > organization that pushed that much enrollment paper was wasting money. Just > this month, I've sent in my money, 'cause I can see we need all the > representation we can get. > > I'll bet hot air ballons would fall under the MTI target speed. Maybe the > government needs to watch those guys too! > > Questio for our Montana cowboy.... > ??? Can you burn bovine fecal matter to fuel a hot air balloon? Think of > the possibilities!!! > > ;o) > > Ron Freiberger... > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: saunders [mailto:saunders@hereintown.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:36 PM > To: gleone; flykr2s@execpc.com > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org; corvaircraft@usm.edu > Subject: Re: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media > > Typical fodder from the media, however it can be sensationalized, they will. > Political leanings aside, the media shows it's idiot mentality again. > Misrepresentations like this are why we should support organizations like > EAA and AOPA. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gleone" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Experimentals Targeted by Media > > > As is typical of our illustrious news(-less) media, they're wrong again. > > The Soviets (Koreans, Chinese and other marxist countries) used a Russian > > transport which was made of wood and fabric. The designation eludes me > > right now (no pun intended) but it didn't show up on radar UNTIL the radar > > operators reset their MTI (Moving Target Indicator). Since these planes > > flew low and slow, they would "evade" detection because the radar would > > exclude them. HOWEVER, once the MTI was reset to low speeds, they show up > > like any other plane. Why high MTI speeds? Birds. Think back to our DEW > > Line where flocks of geese would clutter the radar screens. Now, if > > stealth aircraft were as simple as building composite airplanes, I think > > the Soviets would have built their own years ago. This is why I gave up > > watching network news years ago. Having grown up both a working and rodeo > > cowboy, I've seen enough bovine fecal matter to not want any more brought > > into my home. We could e-mail these network cretins, but why bother? The > > evil Capitalist who can afford to buy or (horror upon horrors!) BUILD > > their own plane surely must generally listen to Rush Limbaugh, too! > > (Sorry if that offends anyone. I'm not making a political statement. I'm > > just pointing out the idiocy that passes for our news media. No offense > > meant to anyone on the Right or left or somewhere in between.) Gene, > > Wyoming > > > > flykr2s@execpc.com wrote: > > > > > >From AVFlash 8.04b > > > AVIATION TODAY -- IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER... > > > The media spotlight these days has roamed from commercial aviation > > > to > > > general aviation, and now apparently it's time for experimental > > > aviation > > > to endure that scrutiny. Tuesday night's CBS Evening News found > > > cause > > > to note yet another way light aircraft can be used to terrorize the > > > public ... through drug trafficking. It seems CBS picked up on the > > > fact > > > that investigators with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration > > > last > > > spring discovered five kitbuilt Velocity aircraft in the possession > > > of > > > an alleged drug transport chief in Mexico. CBS reported that law- > > > enforcement and DEA officials found the kitbuilt fiberglass > > > airplanes > > > inherently suspicious, because they could theoretically be used as > > > radar-elusive drug haulers. > > > > > > ...THE NEW KITBUILT "STEALTH" AIRCRAFT... > > > After all, fiberglass (unlike carbon fiber) does not reflect radar, > > > but > > > rather absorbs it rather well -- just about all the radar sees is > > > the > > > engine. Thus, CBS concluded, the Velocity is tough to track by > > > drug- > > > enforcement agencies, especially within Mexico, and theoretically > > > could > > > penetrate the U.S. border patrol. Joe Bendig, the director of U.S. > > > Customs' radar center, told CBS that radar has a problem finding > > > small > > > fiberglass aircraft like the Velocity: "The radar pretty much gets > > > absorbed by the skin." Responding to the CBS report, EAA yesterday > > > said > > > repeated research has shown that the metal in the engine of > > > fiberglass > > > airplanes is more than enough to easily allow radar tracking -- > > > unless > > > the engine has been modified to shield it from radar detection, not > > > an > > > easy task. > > > > > > ...MIXING INNOCENT DESIGNS WITH EVIL INTENT > > > While the Velocity got all the attention for having been found in > > > one > > > suspected ne'er-do-well's possession, we couldn't help but speculate > > > that among homebuilt aircraft, the Velocity -- a four-place pusher > > > canard -- is probably not the best choice for heavy hauling from > > > short > > > unimproved airstrips. What a drug trafficker really wants is > > > something > > > like an Aerocomp Comp Air 10 XL Turboprop. That aircraft can haul > > > an > > > 800-pound load out of a 250-foot airstrip and cruise for near 700 nm > > > at > > > close to 200 mph. As scrutiny marches from the most-familiar > > > aircraft > > > (airliners) through general aviation and onward to experimental > > > planes, > > > it seems, at least to us, that ultralights might be next on the list > > > ... > > > provided the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft rules don't catch the > > > crosshairs next. Consider this an early warning. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:41:33 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: flyKRS@netscape.net Subject: Joke Message-ID: <2F2EA4BA.03911C53.0006291F@netscape.net> Do you know why there are no Wal-Mart stores in Afganistan ? There all Targets! With that did you hear about the hummingbird that swallowed a Viagra pill ? It persued a 747 soon afterward. Now thats ambition ! We need more ambition in the experimental aviation theater to protect our interests our little KRs are not worthy to be compared to a 747 as long as the media keeps exaggerating things by stimulating the wrong thing we can cause the media to keep things in perspective. Business aviation manufacturing jets and insurance carriers suiting ideals of GA airport traffic infastructure are also harming the KR type pilot interests because they simply don't want us in the air, something like "value" of aircraft seems to be a factor. "The more bang for the buck "KR pitch" certainly is inappropriate in todays aviation window". We just happened to be -Target's- in a Wal-Mart world ! flyKRS they are FUN !!! -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:22:13 -0800 To: krnet From: The Pond Family Subject: Tig welders and KR2 for sale Message-ID: <3C50CF65.7E425571@rogers.com> Hi Net I have set up a Lincon AC/DC stick welder with a tig torch attachment. In hope of welding thin .035 4130. The trouble is the welder will not go below 30amps. Does any one know how to reduce the amperage in the Lincon welders? I'm considering buying a new Lincon 175 tig welder if i can not get this work soon. Any thoughts on either? A Local EAA chapter president has a fuselage in boat stage and wings complete forsale. No price(Sorry i did asked him) Best offer. Call him at 519-449-2322 Darrly Gilbert Brantford Ontario Canada EAA I have not seen the plane just returning favour for him Darren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:56:02 -0500 To: "Keith" From: "Jerry Mahurin" Cc: "KRnet" Subject: Re: New E-mail Address Message-ID: Keith, et al, I have been with Charter for about a year now; it came with my cable modem setup. I think you will be pleased with their service. The only complaint that I have is that they will time you out pretty fast when you are reading mail (which you get a lot of on the KRNet). Of course you have little service interruptions like with all of 'em. But overall, I am well satisfied with them. Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC www.jerrymahurin.com On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:56:06 -0500 "Keith" wrote: > As some of you already know I have been having > difficulties with my E-Mail since around the middle of > December from ongoing problems with the e-mail server and > the e-mail administrator. I know that many e-mails have > been lost during this period and if I apologize for not > responding back to e-mails that you may have sent during > this time. To rectify this problem, I have set up a new > e-mail account which at this time seems to be working > properly and I would like you to change my e-mail > address to hopefully prevent future e-mail problems (they > did have some server problems yesterday, but this appears > to be a rare occurrence). My new e-mail address is > kethb34@charter.net > > Keith > 803-424-2384 Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:49:15 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: SELL OR TRADE Message-ID: <20020125.144916.-406951.6.viscan@juno.com> What I have : (below came with original project but can not use) (1) HAPI motor mount (1) HAPI accessory case (1) Lycoming motor mount bushings, set of eight What I need : (1) motor mount for Revmaster engine. Mount should fit either Diehl or Revmaster accessory case. Phil Visconti Marlborough, MA ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:40:27 -0800 To: viscan@juno.com From: Ralph H Snyder Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> SELL OR TRADE Message-ID: <20020125.164027.-643783.1.ralphndori@juno.com> Phil Hang on to your Lycoming motor mount bushings, because that's what you will need for the Revmaster mount. I have a Revmaster on mine and had to buy the Lycoming bushings. Ralph Snyder ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:18:26 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: PRICE for sell/trade Message-ID: <20020125.181827.-422987.0.viscan@juno.com> Sorry, I forgot to include price for HAPI package. Asking $180 for complete package. (Mount, case & bushings) Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************