From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 5 Feb 2002 19:10:01 -0000 Issue 368 Date: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:10 AM krnet Digest 5 Feb 2002 19:10:01 -0000 Issue 368 Topics (messages 8701 through 8729): KR2 Pics Sorry all try 3 8701 by: Phillip Matheson Help with sending pics on the krnet 8702 by: Phillip Matheson 8704 by: norm-ruth 8706 by: Philip J. Visconti Unscribe 8703 by: Wayne McMullen 8705 by: John McMenamin Thanks re Kr pics 8707 by: Phillip Matheson attachments and viruses 8708 by: Mark Langford Kevlar, again... 8709 by: Mark Langford 8717 by: Jim Covington 8719 by: Mark Langford Re: Ken 8710 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 8711 by: Art VanWinterswyk Government Regulations 8712 by: Sam Sayer Re: Folding wing 8713 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Dynel KR Antique 8714 by: virgnvs.juno.com PROP 8715 by: mike Ken Rand 8716 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 8720 by: BillStarrs 8726 by: Mr. Bryce Guenther Re: Unscrib 8718 by: larry flesner Prop hub extention 8721 by: Stickandrudder.cs.com 8722 by: Mark Langford Phillip Matheson's KR-2 8723 by: Mark Jones 8725 by: Jerry Mahurin Aeropoxy and fuel 8724 by: manrj.att.net 8727 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 8729 by: Mike Mims Wing tanks, and Info Help? 8728 by: Conley, Paul W. Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:38:20 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: KR2 Pics Sorry all try 3 Message-ID: <00d301c1ad14$4532e8c0$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C1AD70.73B0E600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00D0_01C1AD70.73BA0DC0" ------=_NextPart_001_00D0_01C1AD70.73BA0DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, but I'm having trouble trying to send this and not ues as an = attachment. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_001_00D0_01C1AD70.73BA0DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, but I'm having trouble trying to = send this=20 and not ues as an attachment.
 
 
 
Phil Matheson
matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_001_00D0_01C1AD70.73BA0DC0-- ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C1AD70.73B0E600-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:50:32 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Help with sending pics on the krnet Message-ID: <00fb01c1ad15$f3f7b420$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C1AD72.268DF8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry all, but I need nelp on how to get these Kr2 pics to work, They seem to work as a direct email or as an attachment. I have scanned them - saved- then pasted onto the email to krnet, but = not turning out at your end. HELP. How do you get your pics to work?????? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C1AD72.268DF8C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:06:01 -0600 To: "KRnet" From: "norm-ruth" Subject: Fw: KR> Help with sending pics on the krnet Message-ID: <005a01c1ad28$e12240a0$86dfd73f@prodigy.net> Phil- It is my understanding that Krnet will not accept attachments. Perhaps someone on the list with more knowledge than I will clarify this, or will explain how others use links to solve this problem. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillip Matheson To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: KR> Help with sending pics on the krnet Sorry all, but I need nelp on how to get these Kr2 pics to work, They seem to work as a direct email or as an attachment. I have scanned them - saved- then pasted onto the email to krnet, but not turning out at your end. HELP. How do you get your pics to work?????? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:55:24 -0500 To: matheson@dodo.com.au From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Help with sending pics on the krnet Message-ID: <20020203.235525.-522535.2.viscan@juno.com> Phil, Better ask Mark Langford. KRmailinglists has a limit of a certain amount of KB for each E-mail. langford@hiwaay.net Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:47:20 -0800 To: From: "Wayne McMullen" Subject: Unscribe Message-ID: <004601c1ad1d$e22de540$e5a2e80c@C53209A> ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1ACDA.D3EC20C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1ACDA.D3EC20C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:02:44 -0800 To: Wayne McMullen From: John McMenamin CC: Krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Unscribe Message-ID: <3C5E15F4.9C97246F@centurytel.net> unsubsribe Wayne McMullen wrote: > Unscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:46:57 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Thanks re Kr pics Message-ID: <002601c1ad3f$5c71eec0$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AD9B.8F009240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you all for your input, I'll try and find out how to set up a web = page or as a few has mentioned, Try Mark Langford. He is a very helpful man, I won;t bother him unless I have to. Thanks again I can send a photo to your own email if anyone=20 wishes. I'll have some better photo's soon. I'll place her infront of my new = workshop, in the sun. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AD9B.8F009240-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:58:03 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: attachments and viruses Message-ID: <001e01c1ad8c$5915c470$7600a8c0@athlon600> Phil Matheson wrote: >Thank you all for your input, I'll try and find out how to set up a web page or as a few has mentioned, Try Mark Langford.< If I had my way, KRnet wouldn't accept any enclosures of any kind, ever. I've done my best to see that it works that way, but apparently to no avail. Sometimes it works but usually it doesn't. I'm not sure that there's a size limit, it's more like pot luck. I've contacted the guy that runs the actual list server several times, and he basically never replies to questions on that issue. I've just come to accept that enclosures are something that I have no control over. Other than that, I have absolutely no complaints with the way the list operates, so I guess I'm happy. It's not that I don't want you to be able to send out your pictures, but what's far more likely is that viruses are sent out unknowingly to everybody on the list! And some of our subscribers are still wet-behind-the-ears and will click on anything that pops into their mailbox. Some of these guys can't even figure out how to unsubscribe (or even SPELL it), even though the directions are at the bottom of every email! It's just not worth the risk. I don't know how many times I've received viruses from KRnetters who have my name in their address book (from hitting "Reply All"), and executed a virus, but I never saw the virus appear on KRnet because enclosures are (supposedly) turned off. Some of these viruses are downright nasty, and if nothing else, have the capacity to slow down internet email for days. And don't forget to check http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/hoaxes/ to see if the virus that you just MUST warn other KRnetters of is really just another hoax. Personally, if I get something that's not an image from somebody (I don't care if it's from my MOTHER) that doesn't have some kind of good explanation with it, I just delete it! If it just says something like "you've GOT to see this", it's toast at my house. I don't "GOT" to see ANYTHING! That sort of "clean living" has prevented me from EVER getting a virus of any kind! As far as setting up your own webpage goes, there are lots of places that will do that for you for free, if you can stomach all of the advertisements and little banners that come along with them.. GeoCities at http://geocities.yahoo.com/ is one, and there are many others. Sorry, but I don't keep a list of them. But if you just want to throw a few pictures out there for others to see, this is a great way to do it. I'll bet if you went to www.google.com and did a search for "free web page" you'd get about 4 million hits. If you need a little education on how to actually write a web page, I've written a little "how-to" at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html , about the sixth paragraph down. But most of the Free places make that easy on you too, but then you'll never know how to write a web page, but then that may not be on your "must-do" list either. Although I could do it for you, if I did 600 web pages, I'd NEVER finish my own airplane. Selfish, I know, but there's usually a lot more to it than that. People don't realize that you can't just throw twenty 10 Meg pictures out there that are 1600x1200 and expect the average KRnetter to be able to view them. But I WILL make one deal with you guys. Do like Lynn Hyder does. He sends me a zip file with his html and images already zipped inside. All I have to do is unzip it and send them to my server and his web page is in place and DONE! (See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/lhyder/ ) And since it's that easy, I'll update it for him any time! You can write your own web page including compressed images and put them in a directory on your machine and test it to make sure it works, use WinZip to zip them all up and email it to me (along with an explanation like "here's my webpage for inclusion into www.krnet.org's web page"), and I'll put them on my server and include a link from krnet. Just don't pester me about the details if you can't figure out how to do it. Yep, I'm just a selfesh jerk, when it comes to my airplane building time... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:28:00 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Kevlar, again... Message-ID: <000501c1ad90$89df4050$7600a8c0@athlon600> Oh, and while I'm on a rant, I might as well mention what I think about Kevlar, so enclosed is a message that I've sent several times when the question is asked... ------------------------------- On a KR2, the opportunities to save weight using carbon fiber aren't all that great, since most of the plane is covered with one layer of whatever cloth you use. What you CAN get is much stronger parts. The weight savings will be in places where you use several layers, like the canopy frame. I'd also use it on ailerons and elevators for flutter resistance. While I can't lay my hands on any tables of comparative strengths at the moment (I could, but I'm really not in the mood to do any more homework at the moment), from memory I'll say that carbon fiber does fail quickly, but much further up the stress/strain curve than the point at which fiberglass fails, so it is in fact stronger than glass. But you're still talking about force levels like you'd experience in a crash here. The point of using carbon fiber is reduced weight for the same strength as glass, or improved strength with the same weight. Last time I looked, 282 carbon fiber has a strength to weight ratio about 3-5 times higher than regular 7533 "KR" glass, but then it also costs 6 times as much. And let the record show that I'm not saying the KR2S even needs ANY carbon fiber, but it's a great way to make things stronger and stiffer while saving weight in the process. Also, from "Composite Aircraft Design" by Hollman: 1) "Although fiberglass is the least expensive material, graphite fibers are the most promising for aircraft structures because of their low weight, high strength, and high stiffness as shown in Figure 3. The Starship and Voyager are completely built out of graphite and honeycomb and we can expect to see more and more complete aircraft built of this material." 2) "...this is especially true for Kevlar, which has a tensile strength of 60,000 psi and a compressive strength of 23,000 psi. Because of this low compressive strength, Kevlar is almost solely used for fairings, wheel pants, engine cowls, and other fairings in aircraft structures." 3) "However, because of Kevlar's low crompression strength, Kevlar has found limited structural application in aircraft primary structures. Kevlar is difficult to work with and special tools are needed. ----------------------------------- The above quotes are not where I formed my opinion about Carbon Fiber vs Kevlar, just the first ones I came across to support my argument. Engineering data from many different sources is where I formed my "opinion". Personally, there's no amount of benefits of Kevlar that could possibly offset the frustration of trying to work with it. That one little "tracer" thread on carbon fiber rolls has driven me almost to insanity (well, maybe ALL the way, many would argue). That thread invariably ends up on the overlapping joints where there's a material overlap (like wings). Once you sand that little thread, all the fibers stick up, and refuse to go away. With CF or glass they just sand right off. With Kevlar, you're gonna have to sand that thread entirely away, or have a really ugly joint that looks like a line of fuzz. I eventually buried it under Aeropoxy Lite, but in the future, I'll always ensure that the overlap is ON TOP of that thread, rather than below it... ------------------------ I know an engineer who built a Defiant. He built the first cowling out of Kevlar, and the second out of carbon fiber. He swore he'd never touch Kevlar again. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:03:31 -0500 To: From: "Jim Covington" Subject: RE: KR> Kevlar, again... Message-ID: My thoughts on Kevlar follow: First, let me say that I have never built a plane out of fiberglass or kevlar. My airplane construction experience is in metal. So if you want to toss this email, go ahead. I have worked with both kevlar and fiberglass in whitewater kayaks. I agree, kevlar is a pain in the butt to work with. I have used carbon fiber, kevlar and fiberglass products in high-stress, high-impact environments (ice hockey and whitewater paddling.) That being said, there is one place I would use kevlar in any plane - the canopy rollover structure. Nothing else offers the impact resistance of kevlar. That's why although you can build a much lighter canoe or kayak out of carbon fiber, you won't see it on the water. A few bumps against a few rocks, and it fails. Kevlar will take the abuse and keep its strength. It's the same property that makes it so dang difficult to cut. What do you want over your head when you roll over? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:28 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Kevlar, again... Oh, and while I'm on a rant, I might as well mention what I think about Kevlar, so enclosed is a message that I've sent several times when the question is asked... ------------------------------- On a KR2, the opportunities to save weight using carbon fiber aren't all that great, since most of the plane is covered with one layer of whatever cloth you use. What you CAN get is much stronger parts. The weight savings will be in places where you use several layers, like the canopy frame. I'd also use it on ailerons and elevators for flutter resistance. While I can't lay my hands on any tables of comparative strengths at the moment (I could, but I'm really not in the mood to do any more homework at the moment), from memory I'll say that carbon fiber does fail quickly, but much further up the stress/strain curve than the point at which fiberglass fails, so it is in fact stronger than glass. But you're still talking about force levels like you'd experience in a crash here. The point of using carbon fiber is reduced weight for the same strength as glass, or improved strength with the same weight. Last time I looked, 282 carbon fiber has a strength to weight ratio about 3-5 times higher than regular 7533 "KR" glass, but then it also costs 6 times as much. And let the record show that I'm not saying the KR2S even needs ANY carbon fiber, but it's a great way to make things stronger and stiffer while saving weight in the process. Also, from "Composite Aircraft Design" by Hollman: 1) "Although fiberglass is the least expensive material, graphite fibers are the most promising for aircraft structures because of their low weight, high strength, and high stiffness as shown in Figure 3. The Starship and Voyager are completely built out of graphite and honeycomb and we can expect to see more and more complete aircraft built of this material." 2) "...this is especially true for Kevlar, which has a tensile strength of 60,000 psi and a compressive strength of 23,000 psi. Because of this low compressive strength, Kevlar is almost solely used for fairings, wheel pants, engine cowls, and other fairings in aircraft structures." 3) "However, because of Kevlar's low crompression strength, Kevlar has found limited structural application in aircraft primary structures. Kevlar is difficult to work with and special tools are needed. ----------------------------------- The above quotes are not where I formed my opinion about Carbon Fiber vs Kevlar, just the first ones I came across to support my argument. Engineering data from many different sources is where I formed my "opinion". Personally, there's no amount of benefits of Kevlar that could possibly offset the frustration of trying to work with it. That one little "tracer" thread on carbon fiber rolls has driven me almost to insanity (well, maybe ALL the way, many would argue). That thread invariably ends up on the overlapping joints where there's a material overlap (like wings). Once you sand that little thread, all the fibers stick up, and refuse to go away. With CF or glass they just sand right off. With Kevlar, you're gonna have to sand that thread entirely away, or have a really ugly joint that looks like a line of fuzz. I eventually buried it under Aeropoxy Lite, but in the future, I'll always ensure that the overlap is ON TOP of that thread, rather than below it... ------------------------ I know an engineer who built a Defiant. He built the first cowling out of Kevlar, and the second out of carbon fiber. He swore he'd never touch Kevlar again. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:34:09 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Kevlar, again... Message-ID: <007501c1add4$731ae920$7600a8c0@athlon600> Jim Covington wrote: > That being said, there is one place I would use kevlar in any plane - the > canopy rollover structure. Nothing else offers the impact resistance of > kevlar. You're absolutely right, but it'll end up weighing more than a carbon fiber canopy frame of the same strength and stiffness. And if you can stand working with the stuff, it's a better choice than CF in that application, given that compromise. In my case, I have a rollbar made out of fiberglass right behind the canopy, but I'd rather have had carbon fiber there, given the much higher strength. You could argue that titanium would be an even better choice, but you've got to figure that no matter what's there, it's still just fastened to wood. One other place that the canard folks say is good for Kevlar is cowlings, since it is resistant to abrasion and has very good sound and vibration damping features. But to patch a wing, Kevlar's not a great choice... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:48:59 -0500 To: "KRNET" , "Robert Stone" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Re: Ken Message-ID: You're right; I was amazed to see his repair job at Oshkosh after he put the wheels through the wings. Crude, but finished and flyin'. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stone [mailto:rlspjs@dashlink.com] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:49 PM To: KRNet; Willard561@aol.com Subject: KR> Re: Ken Bill: I guess that all of us sometime during our time on this earth meet their "unforgettable character". Ken Rand was mine. He lost his life because of his own negligence. All of us who knew him well thought that it would happen some day. He ignored all of the established rules of safety. Never performed a proper pre-flight, never checked the weather prior to a cross country trip and never filed a flight plan. We nick named him "Crazy Ken." When he heard this handle, he just laughed. We all, to a man and women too loved him in spite of his short comings. I will never forget him so long as I live and thank god for being given the privilege of having known such a man. He was a small man in stature but in the aviation world he was a giant. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Willard561@aol.com To: rlspjs@dashlink.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Ken Bob, I forgot to thank you for the picture, and reminding us all of Kens spirit. I found out the Spitfire used a NACA Airfoil (non laminar flow). If you search the web (goggle is how I found it) you can find a summary of a CFD study of the Spitfire that lists the airfoil. The Hawker Hurricane used a Clark High speed air foil, I couldn't find out if it's the same one the Yak's (YAK 1-9) used. The listings for the RAF 48 all show it used on "Sport " aircraft. I was somewhat JADED in my opinions of computer generated airfoils from the experience of the canards, and DR. Jones comments on them for light home built aircraft, which was made in the mid 70's. We now have much better tools to design with so I feel that the new airfoil is a major improvement, from the reports. Thanks again, Bill Higdon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:00:36 -0600 To: , "KRNET" , "Robert Stone" From: "Art VanWinterswyk" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Ken Message-ID: <006001c1ad9d$78aae160$0200a8c0@computer2> Hi All, I knew Ken and know he was a great man. If he wasn't the character that he was I doubt we would have come this far with composite aircraft today. I was sad at his passing. That's all I got to say about that. Art VanWinterswyk Louisiana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:28:29 -0500 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Government Regulations Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1AD77.738CB800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Almost 150 year ago, President Lincoln found it necessary to hire a priva= te investigator - Mr. Alan Pinkerton. He was actually the beginning of t= he Secret Service. Since that time Federal police authority has grown to a large number of t= hre-letter agencies - FBI,CIA,INS,DEA,BATF,SS,ATF Folding wing Message-ID: <20020204.123420.-106937.5.virgnvs@juno.com> Col. R.W.Moore Moore Folding Wing Attachment Kit POB 622 Toccoa, Ga. 30577-0622 This info good in 1991, Virg He is/was EAA 228096 On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:37:05 -0600 "norm-ruth" writes: > Phil > Could you provide more information about the folding wing setup by > Col. Robert Moore? > > Thank you. > > Norm > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:50:49 -0500 To: Glasco@ridgenet.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Dynel KR Antique Message-ID: <20020204.123420.-106937.4.virgnvs@juno.com> Historical, Virg 100/MPH-1/Gal/Hr On Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:47:35 -0800 Glasco writes: > > Hey Virg, > > Right on. Any mods? Historically accurate or the latest > itteration? > > Brad > > > > > At 04:13 PM 1/28/02 -0500, you wrote: > > Building KR 1 W/36 hp VW. Original enough ? > >Virg > > > >On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:59:46 -0800 Glasco > writes: > >> Anyone interested in building an antique KR per the original > plans? > >> > >> > >> Brad > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > >> all" > >> > >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >> > >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:10:31 -0500 To: From: "mike" Subject: PROP Message-ID: <001a01c1adb7$ffec9640$6400a8c0@wolftreeinc.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1AD8E.16871F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a KR-2S and an O-200 Cont. How do i know what to look for in a = prop? Is there a known pitch range? What about diameter? Thanks, Mike ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1AD8E.16871F80-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:32:23 -0800 To: "KR-POST" From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Ken Rand Message-ID: <001301c1ac31$1c4f0440$1745a6d1@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1ABEE.0C4502E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gents, There has been a great deal on the KR-Net lately on Ken Rand. No doubt, = as has been testified to by people who knew him, he was a very likeable = man and a character one would not forget. As an engineer he was willing = to think out of the box, much to our collective enjoyment. We all need = to be thankful for that. The only issues I have with the postings on the net of late are a) how = does this thread aid in building the KR-2S Mod in my garage? and b) = "great men" in aviation do not flaunt safety, sound flying methods, and = procedures. Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1ABEE.0C4502E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:31:27 -0700 To: "KR-net" From: "BillStarrs" Subject: Fw: KR> Ken Rand Message-ID: <000a01c1addc$74ff8e00$02defea9@bstarrs> "Great Men" take chances at times and some times these chances are dumb in hind sight, but that's easy for us to say now . I prefer to look at Ken's greatness. Aviation is full of people who just love to question the judgement of other who are die in plane crashes. "pilot error" is the catch all. Maybe and maybe not, and maybe it just makes some people feel good to knock the "Great ones" down a notch. Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" To: "KR-POST" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: KR> Ken Rand Gents, There has been a great deal on the KR-Net lately on Ken Rand. No doubt, as has been testified to by people who knew him, he was a very likeable man and a character one would not forget. As an engineer he was willing to think out of the box, much to our collective enjoyment. We all need to be thankful for that. The only issues I have with the postings on the net of late are a) how does this thread aid in building the KR-2S Mod in my garage? and b) "great men" in aviation do not flaunt safety, sound flying methods, and procedures. Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:50:20 -0500 To: bstarrs@cybertrails.com ("BillStarrs"), Krnet@mailinglists.org ("KR-net") From: flykrs@netscape.net (Mr. Bryce Guenther) Subject: RE: Fw: KR> Ken Rand Message-ID: <399D7BB4.14E8CD8E.00062CFF@netscape.net> Ol'e Pilot proverb: There are old pilots and bold pilots but there ain't no oldbold pilots! "BillStarrs" wrote: >"Great Men" take chances at times and some times these chances are dumb in >hind sight, but that's easy for us to say now . I prefer to look at Ken's >greatness. Aviation is full of people who just love to question the >judgement of other who are die in plane crashes. "pilot error" is the catch >all. Maybe and maybe not, and maybe it just makes some people feel good to >knock the "Great ones" down a notch. Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" >To: "KR-POST" >Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:32 PM >Subject: KR> Ken Rand > > >Gents, > >There has been a great deal on the KR-Net lately on Ken Rand. No doubt, as >has been testified to by people who knew him, he was a very likeable man and >a character one would not forget. As an engineer he was willing to think >out of the box, much to our collective enjoyment. We all need to be >thankful for that. > >The only issues I have with the postings on the net of late are a) how does >this thread aid in building the KR-2S Mod in my garage? and b) "great men" >in aviation do not flaunt safety, sound flying methods, and procedures. > >Respectfully, >Dave "Zipper" Goodman > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > -- Flying is Fun and a Thrill that nearly nothing else can compare. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:26:59 -0600 To: Wayne McMullen From: larry flesner Cc: Krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Unscrib Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020204172659.008a47c0@mail.midwest.net> Wayne, To get off the list , look at the bottom of any KRnet e-mail. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:41:23 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Stickandrudder@cs.com Subject: Prop hub extention Message-ID: <8b.13457698.29909243@cs.com> Anyone know where I can get a prop hub extention for a VW HAPI that moves the prop out 2 inches? Thanks Paul O'Reilly KR2 Stretch Derry NH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:53:59 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Prop hub extention Message-ID: <000d01c1ade7$fb6c8b90$7600a8c0@athlon600> > Anyone know where I can get a prop hub extention for a VW HAPI that moves the > prop out 2 inches? Ken Brock Manufacturing, at http://www.kenbrockmfg.com/propext.htm , although they don't list a 2". Probably because you can buy a few inches of 6061-T6 alumimum round stock or plate (it's just under compression if it's left cylindrical) and have a machinist make one on a lathe for a fraction of the cost. I'll bet you could waterjet cut one of these for 50-100 bucks out of plate. Of course you've got to make sure the longer bolts don't cost you a fortune. And I'll bet there's a real danger of breaking the crank (even sooner) with an extension. Maybe some of the folks who have used them can comment. I know Jim Hill had one made locally (for free), but he's using a Force One hub, and he only has a few hours on it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:43:40 -0600 To: KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Phillip Matheson's KR-2 Message-ID: <3C5F46D9.153D6412@execpc.com> Hello All, Phillip Matheson has been trying to show us all his KR-2 project. He has sent me a photo of his plane and I must say it looks good. I like his wing tips!!! I set up a page for you to see his KR-2. Here is the link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:09:53 -0500 To: Mark Jones ,KR-Net From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Phillip Matheson's KR-2 Message-ID: Mark, et al, Looks like Diehl wing skins on Phil's plane... Tips do look good... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://www.jerrymahurin.com On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:43:40 -0600 Mark Jones wrote: >Hello All, >Phillip Matheson has been trying to show us all his KR-2 >project. He has >sent me a photo of his plane and I must say it looks >good. I like his >wing tips!!! I set up a page for you to see his KR-2. >Here is the link: >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html >-- >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >"reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: >krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >