From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 13 Mar 2002 00:13:34 -0000 Issue 390 Date: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:13 PM krnet Digest 13 Mar 2002 00:13:34 -0000 Issue 390 Topics (messages 9192 through 9217): Flight Sim pilots 9192 by: Myron Freeman 9199 by: West-Tek 9200 by: doug d 9211 by: Richard Parker Re: Tail surface 9193 by: Dave and Tina Goodman Re: Weber's Virus 9194 by: Daniel Heath 9198 by: Randy Stein Re: Jump starting an old bird 9195 by: Daniel Heath VIRUS PROTECTION 9196 by: rfarmer rudder size 9197 by: nikki 9209 by: Mark Langford Floats 9201 by: hommevolant.sympatico.ca bellyboards and flaps 9202 by: Oscar Zuniga 9208 by: JEHayward.aol.com HAPI info- Dave Hartz 9203 by: Oscar Zuniga Bob Cringely (off-topic) 9204 by: Oscar Zuniga 9205 by: Robert X. Cringely bellyboards/4 place kr? 9206 by: nikki HAPI wiring 9207 by: Aimo Paivoke KR flight sim 9210 by: Bo124rs.aol.com 9212 by: Bruce Watkins Flight Sim 9213 by: Jim Morehead 9214 by: Scott Stanton Re: Flight Sim on Mac 9215 by: West-Tek flight sims/hybrid fabrics 9216 by: nikki Parts needed 9217 by: George Dorius Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:49:55 -0500 To: From: "Myron Freeman" Subject: Flight Sim pilots Message-ID: <002801c1c88e$480e6a20$cc09550c@net> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1C864.5E908960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Say, While I'm thinking of it, are there any pilots in the KR group that = regularly fly Microsoft Flight Simulator (any version) that enjoy it and = find it a practicle training and practice tool? I sure do! You can also build and fly the KR aircraft of your dreams with this = program and paint it up with any paint scheme you want, with the = instrument panel set up just like you want it and even put your N number = on the tail and have controlers use it to direct your flight. All with a = little practice and some help from on-line friends. I have done just that with a Beechcraft, Musketeer that I have been = flying now for quit some time. And even when I cannot go to the airport, = I can still stay in practice. Well, I've carried on to long, thanks, Mark. Dan Freeman (nickname - = Torquer) =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1C864.5E908960-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:13:28 -0500 To: From: "West-Tek" Subject: RE: KR> Flight Sim pilots Message-ID: <000a01c1c917$b136e480$2f296f86@corp.stratus.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1C8ED.C5079F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use MS Flight Sim 2000 all the time. Usually, just for fun, but for = training as well. You can't get the seat of the pants feel and I don't = get the peripheral vision awareness I would like, but for procedure it = really works for me. I can tell the difference when I haven't flown for = a while and practice on FS before going to the airport. Do you have a KR2 model for FS? I have searched all of the FS sites, but = it doesn't appear that anyone has made a KR2 model. If you do, I would = love to get it, and if not, what program do you use to build planes & = panels? I have a KR2 about ready for flight testing. I think it will be useful = to go over my procedures and checklists in FS. Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA www.ifly99.tripod.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1C8ED.C5079F60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:19:00 -0800 (PST) To: West-Tek , krnet@mailinglists.org From: doug d Subject: RE: KR> Flight Sim pilots Message-ID: <20020311171900.81631.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> I have a Kr2s in my flight sim 98 that I fly quite a bit. It is very touchy to fly, but has a huge engine in it, like a Lycoming IO-540 or something like that. The performance is 200+ knots. One of the hardest parts of flying it is getting it to land. It floats and floats and floats in ground effect. Makes you wish it had a tailhook!!! I can't remeber where I got it, but I will search around for you. You can email me directly at Kr2man@yahoo.com Doug Derby --- West-Tek wrote: > I use MS Flight Sim 2000 all the time. Usually, just > for fun, but for training as well. You can't get the > seat of the pants feel and I don't get the > peripheral vision awareness I would like, but for > procedure it really works for me. I can tell the > difference when I haven't flown for a while and > practice on FS before going to the airport. > > Do you have a KR2 model for FS? I have searched all > of the FS sites, but it doesn't appear that anyone > has made a KR2 model. If you do, I would love to get > it, and if not, what program do you use to build > planes & panels? > > I have a KR2 about ready for flight testing. I think > it will be useful to go over my procedures and > checklists in FS. > > Shawn Christopherson > Gardner, MA > www.ifly99.tripod.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:44:14 To: kr2man@yahoo.com, shawn@west-tek.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: RE: KR> Flight Sim pilots Message-ID: That doesnt sound right. if it has such a (big heavy)engine, I would think you would have a hard time keeping the nose up in ground effect. Rich >From: doug d >To: West-Tek , krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: RE: KR> Flight Sim pilots >Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:19:00 -0800 (PST) > >I have a Kr2s in my flight sim 98 that I fly quite a >bit. It is very touchy to fly, but has a huge engine >in it, like a Lycoming IO-540 or something like that. >The performance is 200+ knots. One of the hardest >parts of flying it is getting it to land. It floats >and floats and floats in ground effect. Makes you >wish it had a tailhook!!! I can't remeber where I got >it, but I will search around for you. You can email >me directly at Kr2man@yahoo.com Doug Derby > > > >--- West-Tek wrote: > > I use MS Flight Sim 2000 all the time. Usually, just > > for fun, but for training as well. You can't get the > > seat of the pants feel and I don't get the > > peripheral vision awareness I would like, but for > > procedure it really works for me. I can tell the > > difference when I haven't flown for a while and > > practice on FS before going to the airport. > > > > Do you have a KR2 model for FS? I have searched all > > of the FS sites, but it doesn't appear that anyone > > has made a KR2 model. If you do, I would love to get > > it, and if not, what program do you use to build > > planes & panels? > > > > I have a KR2 about ready for flight testing. I think > > it will be useful to go over my procedures and > > checklists in FS. > > > > Shawn Christopherson > > Gardner, MA > > www.ifly99.tripod.com > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > Richard Parker _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:24:46 -0800 To: "Darren Pond" , "krnet" From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Re: KR> Tail surface Message-ID: <000301c1c891$f5f6f460$a744a6d1@oemcomputer> Darren, What I did was put all the weights inside the fuselage, From the center hinge/bellcrank I ran a six inch arm forward and attached the weight I wanted on the end of that. The whole assembly fits neatly between the spars of the horizontal stab. Mark Langford has also got an internal set-up, though his is more fancy than the one I used. Hey, I am just an un-frozen caveman airplane builder! Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:03:59 -0800 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Jos=E9_Jankosz?= , "Mark Langford" From: "Daniel Heath" Cc: "krnet" Subject: RE: KR> Weber's Virus Message-ID: FYI, I got one of those attachments, but I know not to open them. It got me anyway. While you definitely should not open them, don't be fooled like I was. I have two virus checkers running now. I'm not really sure that will stop those SOBs. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:43:53 -0800 To: "Daniel Heath" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Jos=E9_Jankosz?= , "Mark Langford" From: "Randy Stein" Cc: "krnet" Subject: Re: KR> Weber's Virus Message-ID: <002201c1c8bf$bc8dc180$61fd7e18@we.mediaone.net> Folks: I just pulled the plug on molly@mhtc.net. He or she has the virus, may not even know it, but it is just easier for me to do this rather than wait for them to figure it out themselves. Warm regards, Mom Soviet Monica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "Eduardo José Jankosz" ; "Mark Langford" Cc: "krnet" Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: RE: KR> Weber's Virus > FYI, > > I got one of those attachments, but I know not to open them. It got me > anyway. While you definitely should not open them, don't be fooled like I > was. I have two virus checkers running now. I'm not really sure that will > stop those SOBs. > > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:15:50 -0800 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Jump starting an old bird Message-ID: Myron, All those things sound good. I would think carefully about which fixed gear to use. I converted my first KR to a single piece aluminum and this one to the Diehl. While the Deihl is probably lighter, it is much,,,, I MEAN MUCH, more complicated and difficult to install. Another thing about it that I do not like is that after it is in, you never see any of the stuff again. The single piece is right there for you to inspect anytime you want to. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:15:15 -0500 To: From: "rfarmer" Subject: VIRUS PROTECTION Message-ID: <00c801c1c89a$343b39e0$4c5e62d8@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C1C870.4ABD5920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is really up to each person to protect themselves from a virus. I use = Norton Anti-Virus 2002, it scans your incoming & outgoing E-Mail so you = neither get or send a virus and automatically updates its list so you = have the latest protection. I feel it is my obligation to provide this = level of protection to the people I E-Mail. I highly recommend it and = enough said about that. To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C1C870.4ABD5920-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:11:00 -0800 To: From: "nikki" Subject: rudder size Message-ID: <001c01c1c8c3$86417820$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1C880.76051C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone considered using a slightly larger rudder like they did on = the kr-100? wondering if this was because of the o-200, and nedded more = authority? Thanks, Jim Sporka ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1C880.76051C20-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:43:21 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR>rudder size Message-ID: <004801c1c9c3$7f52c0e0$5f0ca58c@mlangford> Somebody mentioned making the rudder larger. Troy has a C-85 and made his smaller. Said he had too much rudder. On the other hand, it looks like Marty Roberts added a strake to his 0-200 powered plane for some reason. Roy Marsh had a Revmaster turbo on his, the first "official" KR2S, but left his vertical and horizontal stabs KR2 size, and liked it that way. I guess what I'm saying (since nobody else has commented) is that apparently there is no body of knowlege that indicates that a larger rudder is needed, especially with a longer fuselage. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:35:39 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Subject: Floats Message-Id: <20020311233539.YWQB12395.tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.14]> Is there anybody who have seen that plane on floats ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:40:27 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: bellyboards and flaps Message-ID: Interesting reading the thread(s) on this one. I still don't believe Mark Langford is a day over 55, myself. I don't have anything to add to the functionality part of the discussion, but do have an observation on bellyboard or flap mechanisms. You know how you sit for hours and hours cramped in those economy seats in airliners on trips? Next time you find yourself in one of those, take a look at the mechanisms used on the folding tray table in front of you. Interesting. I looked at that thing until the flight attendant had to pause and ask if anything was wrong with it (or me). Kind of a neat arrangement... slides out of a recess in the seat back, the leading edge slides aft in a track until the support bracket stops the travel. Actually, I was looking at it for a flap mechanism that would extend and droop the flaps and increase the effective wing chord, but it would be a swell bellyboard mechanism too. Yeah, I know- too complex. Back to the library for me. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:08:15 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> bellyboards and flaps Message-ID: --part1_a8.7f2ef86.29bf116f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/2002 9:21:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: > Actually, I was looking at it for a flap mechanism that would extend and > droop the flaps and increase the effective wing chord, but it would be a > swell bellyboard mechanism too. > Oscar, I've been thinking about that same thing for flaps for some time only I've been looking at the Cessna 152 mechanism and trying to figure some way to incorporate it. Seems it could help with any aft CG problem as fuel burned off a header tank if the chord could be increased to the rear. I think it should also help with a slower landing speed. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD --part1_a8.7f2ef86.29bf116f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:47:20 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: HAPI info- Dave Hartz Message-ID: Dave Hartz asked: >Can anyone help me get a wiring diagram for a HAPI 60HP >with dual ignition Dave; I'm not sure exactly what Steve Dixon has, but it's definitely a HAPI and he's got the papers for it. I don't remember it being a dual ignition but then again it may be... definitely worth a call because Steve is always willing to help and would probably even drive down to where you are to give you a hand. Last email address I had for him was dix39@home.com and he's located not far from me in Phoenix, Oregon. His phone number is (541)535-6550. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:16:28 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Bob Cringely (off-topic) Message-ID: Y'know, folks, sometimes I think famous people come to this list to hide from the world. In reading through the digests the other day, I noticed a post from "Robert X. Cringely" and it finally dawned on me that there just can't be that many people with that name. If you don't know from nothin' in the electronics world, you won't know who Mr. Cringely is, but to us pencil-necked IEEE geeks with pocket protectors and engineering degrees, this gent is -ahem- Someone. It is incredible how much talent lurks on this list (among the rest of us barefoot builders). Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon (soon to be San Antonio, TX) mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:54:00 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Bob Cringely (off-topic) Message-Id: We all get in our KR's one foot at a time, Oscar. No big deal. Bob >Y'know, folks, sometimes I think famous people come to this list to >hide from the world. In reading through the digests the other day, >I noticed a post from "Robert X. Cringely" and >it finally dawned on me that there just can't be that many people >with that name. > >If you don't know from nothin' in the electronics world, you won't >know who Mr. Cringely is, but to us pencil-necked IEEE geeks with >pocket protectors and engineering degrees, this gent is -ahem- >Someone. > >It is incredible how much talent lurks on this list (among the rest >of us barefoot builders). > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon (soon to be San Antonio, TX) >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For >additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:06:39 -0800 To: From: "nikki" Subject: bellyboards/4 place kr? Message-ID: <001601c1c994$7600ef00$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1C951.669EC660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everyone that responded re: bellyboards, I think I'm not so = hot for the thing now. Will try to make flaps work. To Darren Pond, = 200hp ,10 taller vert stab , Geeeez, this sounds like a 4 place! just = kiddin'. Also Darren, I am trying to put together drawings of the c.s. = prop idea I have. There is a kr2 on e-bay with Deihl wing skins for = 300.00(just listed) item1712871293, Some one is also selling a turbo = v.w. engine.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1C951.669EC660-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:40:54 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Aimo Paivoke" Subject: HAPI wiring Message-ID: Hello all KR2-builders! I bought KR2 instruction plans from Rand Robinson in autumn 1984. Now I have flown my KR a few times,it flies nicely. RR instructions contain a drawing for wiring but I made my own plan and built using it. Works well. I have a HAPI 65X with dual (all coils) ignition, alternator, starter, radio and lights. The wiring plan is drawn using a PC-program called Designer. I will send it as an email attachement after straight email contact. My address can be seen below. Best regards to all Kr-builders from Finland, OH-XAP. mailto:carthori@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:49:30 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Bo124rs@aol.com Subject: KR flight sim Message-ID: <193.3968f25.29bf535a@aol.com> >>Do you have a KR2 model for FS? I have searched all of the FS sites, but it doesn't appear that anyone has made a KR2 model.<< Yes, there is. Go to flightsim.com. You will have to register. It is a very unrealistic KR in that it has the power of my Bonanza hanging off the front. My recommendation (I know, everybody has one:-), would be not to use FS for getting ready to flight test. Just make you a compliance checklist, and use it. As for training, I introduced Flightsim to the group of instructors at my home airport for IFR training. For procedures it is very realistic. You can talk about intercepting the outbound for an NDB approach where deflection equals correction till you are blue in the face but until a student does it............they never will get it. For procedures (which IFR is totally made up of) it is good. For procedures in flight testing your KR..............that's another story. For a new pilot, it might me OK to reinforce lessons learned. Heck, it's fun though. As for realism, I just loaded up 2002 professional last night. It has a virtual cockpit setting that give you the view out of the left seat only but you can use your hat switch to literally look around the cockpit. Makes you scan. Really, really neat. As for realism, I wanted to see if a King Air 350 would fly inverted. Yes, it will, 6 degree nose up and it will fly forever. I think someone forgot to tell the programmers this would probably spill the CEO's coffee (please fasten your seat belt, it looks like we are about to enter some turbulence:-) Dana Overall Starting anew this evening. Yes, back in the airplane building business as soon as the truck arrives today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:59:25 -0600 From: Bruce Watkins CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR flight sim Message-ID: <3C8E17CD.A4DBC58F@clas.net> Dana, Did I miss what type of airplane is arriving today? Bruce Watkins Cape Girardeau, MO Bo124rs@aol.com wrote: > > > Starting anew this evening. Yes, back in the airplane building business as > soon as the truck arrives today. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:10:13 -0800 To: KR- Net From: Jim Morehead Subject: Flight Sim Message-ID: Netters, Is there a Flight Sim program for a Mac computer? I have a friend that is a retired IBM person that keeps telling me that I should up grade to a "real" computer. Thanks, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:35:24 -0800 (PST) To: Jim Morehead From: Scott Stanton Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Flight Sim Message-ID: <20020312203524.15018.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Try http://www.x-plane.com Its a very realistic Flight Sim as far as flying characteristics, but it doesn't have all the eye candy of FS2002. You can find all sorts of planes for it at http://www.x-plane.org . I was working on a model for a KR2S for it (it comes with a plane making program). I have the basic model done, but I haven't made much progess on tweaking it to realism so far. Scott Stanton --- Jim Morehead wrote: > > Netters, > Is there a Flight Sim program for a Mac > computer? I have a friend that > is a retired IBM person that keeps telling me that I > should up grade to a > "real" computer. > > Thanks, > Jim Morehead > Cameron Park, CA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ===== -- Scott Stanton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:19:36 -0500 To: "KRNet Mailing List" From: "West-Tek" Subject: Re: KR> Flight Sim on Mac Message-ID: <008201c1ca0b$a0083cf0$2f296f86@corp.stratus.com> Jim and anyone else out there using Brand X computers(Macs!), I don't use Macs anymore, but here are a few resources: Flight Gear is a free one that is apparently one of the most realistic flight sims out there. It runs on Mac (OS X only, I think), Windows and Linux http://www.flightgear.org X-Plane for Mac and Windows is $30 for the older version for older PCs and $60 for the newest one. http://www.x-plane.com Elite is an IFR training flight sim for Windows and Mac $199 http://www.flyelite.com Those are all I know about. I did see a press release from Microsoft that they were forming an alliance with a startup company back in 2000 to port several games including FS to Mac, but apparently they haven't done it yet. Good Luck, Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA http://www.ifly99.tripod.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:21:08 -0800 To: From: "nikki" Subject: flight sims/hybrid fabrics Message-ID: <001601c1ca24$fa22c2a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1C9E1.EA9F0840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another really good flight sim is FLY2K, nice graphics. Does anyone have = any experience with a combo Kevlar/Carbon fabric? It is available from = www.fiberlay.com but they are not cheap on anything. This seems like a = good compromise of strength/stiffness. Jim Sporka ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1C9E1.EA9F0840-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:06:03 -0800 To: From: "George Dorius" Subject: Parts needed Message-ID: <003501c1ca22$df44a040$5d3eeecd@gkdor> ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1C9DF.CF8E8B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all,. I am looking for a prop hub for a VW and a 60X30 prop for a VP-2=20 If you have one for sale, please let me know. Thanks, George Dorius Roseburg,OR. 541-673-7464 gkdor@wanweb.net ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1C9DF.CF8E8B40-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************