From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 20 Mar 2002 07:01:12 -0000 Issue 394 Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:01 PM krnet Digest 20 Mar 2002 07:01:12 -0000 Issue 394 Topics (messages 9296 through 9322): I need Dual in my Kr2 Tricycle request 9296 by: Jeff York Landing Gear Mounts? 9297 by: Philip Maley Re: Web Page Design 9298 by: Frederic Livesey re:stall 9299 by: Jim Faughn 9300 by: Tom 9302 by: Philip J. Visconti 9306 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Flaps Counterweights and Flutter 9301 by: AviationMech.aol.com 9305 by: Frank Ross 9310 by: AviationMech.aol.com Re: KR2S Flight Sim model 9303 by: West-Tek Stall Question 9304 by: Seifert, Richard E 9307 by: Richard Selix 9308 by: Larry A. Capps Looking For KR2 9309 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: Hello All, 9311 by: Bruce Watkins outer wing questions 9312 by: Tim Brown 9314 by: Daniel Heath 9315 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 9316 by: Mr. Bryce Guenther hello all 9313 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com kr elevator sensitivity 9317 by: boyd84.juno.com kr2s spar caps 9318 by: tomarickltd.nisbet.att.net 9320 by: Mark Jones Engine mounting 9319 by: saunders01 9321 by: Robert X. Cringely Tony Bingelis's books 9322 by: Serge F. VIDAL Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:44:18 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jeff York" Subject: I need Dual in my Kr2 Tricycle request Message-ID: I have a Kr2 tricycle and would like to get dual time in yours or mine. This aircraft is fully signed off with 45 hours TTE, TTAF. I live in Lexington, KY. and hope to get to Sun N Fun this year but would like to get dual and be ready to fly it to Sun N Fun. This plane is show quality but I would enjoy an experienced Kr'r eye to look it over as well. Open to suggestions, Jeff York Lexington, KY. jeffyork40@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:50:49 +0800 To: "KRnet" From: "Philip Maley" Subject: Landing Gear Mounts? Message-ID: Hi all Does anyone know of a source for fabricated fixed main and nose gear mounts in Australia to suit the standard KR-2 wing? (Looking for an alternative to the Deihl units.) Thanks and regards Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://gangway.wotech.com.au/vk6ad/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:08:54 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frederic Livesey Subject: Re: Web Page Design Message-ID: <2002031809085467465@zetnet.co.uk> Hi Bruce, an excellent site for web page design, that we recommend to our students, is HTML Primer, it starts with the basics, and then adds the additional skills that enable you to produce a succesful web page. Having the basics, will help you take up the offer from Mark Langford to have a look at his source code, and see how he produces his web page. If you go to Google.com and enter HTML Primer in the search box you will find a number of sites, have a look at them, and pick the one that suits you best. Regards FredL Chester UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:42:31 -0600 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: re:stall Message-ID: You Wrote: From: "James E. Lanier" re:stall I had previously inquired about KR2 stall speed. I ran some numbers on = the KR2s at gross weight. According to my calculations..it puts stall (clean) at 54.4 mph. Is this = about right? Jim www.chemroc.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My KR stalls at 44 mph indicated. A very cautionary note here is this is indicated on MY airspeed indicator. I think it is pretty accurate but I'm still adding that as a caution. Jim Faughn N891JF St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net www.chemroc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:31:50 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Tom Subject: Re: KR> re:stall Message-ID: <-195375695.1016458310243.JavaMail.httpd@spnode41> >You Wrote: >From: "James E. Lanier" >re:stall > >I had previously inquired about KR2 stall speed. I ran some numbers on = >the KR2s at gross weight. >According to my calculations..it puts stall (clean) at 54.4 mph. Is this = >about right? > >Jim >www.chemroc.com >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >My KR stalls at 44 mph indicated. A very cautionary note here is this is >indicated on MY airspeed indicator. I think it is pretty accurate but I'm >still adding that as a caution. > >Jim Faughn >N891JF >St. Louis, MO 63108 >(314)652-7659 >Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net >www.chemroc.com > I guess I'll add my 2 cents. My KR2 stalls at 38 MPH indicated. Also, it is the most gentle stall you will ever experience. Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL toys@ufl.edu From the "Dark Side" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:08:50 -0500 To: toys@ufl.edu From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> re:stall Message-ID: <20020318.110851.-316381.1.viscan@juno.com> Tom, et al, This months Sport Aviation mag has info about "Sport Pilot License". The FAA stall requirement: "Maximum stall speed--- without using lift-enhancement devices (VS 1): 44 knots or less". So, stall with flaps, etc. makes definition very subjective. Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:35:34 -0500 To: "Philip J. Visconti" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> re:stall Message-ID: Also, I'm sure they are referring to ACTUAL stall, not what the a/s indicator says. They are notoriously unreliable, especially at unusual ( non cruise) attitudes. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Philip J. Visconti [mailto:viscan@juno.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:09 AM To: toys@ufl.edu Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> re:stall Tom, et al, This months Sport Aviation mag has info about "Sport Pilot License". The FAA stall requirement: "Maximum stall speed--- without using lift-enhancement devices (VS 1): 44 knots or less". So, stall with flaps, etc. makes definition very subjective. Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:51:53 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Flaps Counterweights and Flutter Message-ID: <181.53b417c.29c74af9@aol.com> Today I looked at the subjects for the last 30 days of mail and was prompted to add 2 cents worth to a thread that reoccures every year or so. Flaps 110LR started life without flaps. My landing attitude at slow flight was nose high. Putting the nose down enabled me to see,but increased my speed too high to land without a lot of float. Adding flaps allowed the nose to go below the horizon and maintain any landing speed I wanted. You really don't need flaps, but l'd never give mine back. Spoilers. as everyone knows, spoilers destroy lift and ailerons increase lift. A Michigan KR1 builder put spoilers in place of ailerons, and in a cross wind landing, he cartwheeled down the runway, because he could not develope enough lift on the low wing. 110LR has increased aileron size just to increase low speed landing control. Counter weights Just in case you get that urge to push the nose over and see what 200 feels like, add the weights. Flutter. I experienced flutter generated by a loose elevator trim tab. It occured shortly after takeoff and by the time I finished the pattern and landed, that 2in by 4in tab had self destructed and was hanging by one small hinge section. I can only imagine what flutter from a larger surface would be like. The KR might not survive. Orma (Aviationmech) A&P\IA Builder KR2 N110LR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:15:08 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Cc: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Flaps Counterweights and Flutter Message-ID: <20020318181508.68291.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Orma, Could you tell us how your ailerons are larger? are they longer or wider or both? What problems did you encounter building them and how did you deal with them? Thanks. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:42:33 EST To: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Flaps Counterweights and Flutter Message-ID: --part1_d2.154c1558.29c7c759_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/2002 1:21:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, kae_ar@yahoo.com writes: > tell us how your ailerons are larger? They are wider by about 2 inches at the inboard hinge. They are hinged to the aft spar. I made the hinges out of T stock and bearings. They are not as pretty and smooth as the original ones. they are nearly fully counterweighted and acutated by push pull rods in place of the cable system. Orma (Aviationmech) A&P\IA Builder KR2 N110LR --part1_d2.154c1558.29c7c759_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:33:45 -0500 To: "KRNet Mailing List" From: "West-Tek" Subject: Re: KR2S Flight Sim model Message-ID: <010a01c1ce9a$afcce210$2f296f86@corp.stratus.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0107_01C1CE70.C3947530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I corrected the link problem on my website, and I was able to download = both the FS98 and FS2000 versions. Let me know if you have any = problems. http://ifly99.tripod.com/flightsimstuff.htm Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA http://www.ifly99.tripod.com ------=_NextPart_000_0107_01C1CE70.C3947530-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:40:01 -0800 To: "'KRnet'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: Stall Question Message-ID: <9BA7A06DA8127B4B925954F3F8705D349F81C8@XCH-SW-09.sw.nos.boeing.com> The airspeed at stall in my KR2 varies depending on whether I am in ground effect or at some recoverable altitude. I've always wondered about which stall number the V numbers are based on. Anyone know the answer? I would guess the location of the pitot tube is a big factor. As mine is below the wing it actually reads higher when stall occurs in ground affect. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:12:03 -0800 To: "Seifert, Richard E" From: Richard Selix CC: 'KRnet' Subject: Re: KR> Stall Question Message-ID: <3C963C03.1F243F43@earthlink.net> Richard: The F.A.A. uses the stall figure at sea-level. As you know with altitude the stall will occur at a higher number. I think you are correct in suspecting your pitot tube location if it reads higher at low altitudes. Richard Seifert, Richard E wrote: > The airspeed at stall in my KR2 varies depending on whether I am in ground > effect or at some recoverable altitude. > I've always wondered about which stall number the V numbers are based on. > Anyone know the answer? I would guess the location of the pitot tube is a > big factor. As mine is below the wing it actually reads higher when stall > occurs in ground affect. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:57:31 -0600 To: "'KRnet'" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Stall Question Message-ID: <000901c1ceb7$24849410$0400a8c0@schpankme> The pitot tube measures the total pressure (Pt) in the tube. This pressure is comprised of the velocity pressure (Pv - pressure due to the momentum of the drive wind) and the static pressure. Pv+Ps=Pt If we isolate Pv, we can then calculate the velocity of the airflow using the following equation: Pv=Pt-Ps v = 1096 * (Pv / D)^1/2 D = density of the fluid (i.e. air) Regards, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- As you know with altitude the stall will occur at a higher number. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:20:10 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Looking For KR2 Message-ID: Need help in locating every one that said their "2" is for sale. It needs to be flying and under $12,000. Someone had one here for around $6,000. I have someone looking to buy. Send your Email address and I will forward it. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:32:55 -0600 To: Mark Jones From: Bruce Watkins CC: KR-Net , CorvAircraft Subject: Re: KR> Hello All, Message-ID: <3C967927.A13FA486@clas.net> Mark, So sorry to hear of your brother's death. Nothing can replace the loss of a loved one, but maybe building on your KR will help ease the pain. Bruce Watkins Cape Girardeau, MO Mark Jones wrote: > > Hello All, > For those of you who are following the "Photo of the Week" on my web site, you have probably noticed no change today. Unfortunately, I have not worked on my KR-2S since last Sunday due to I was in Georgia this past week and just returned tonight. The untimely death of my brother brought much sorrow to my life. It was good to get home and find close to two hundred e-mails to go through which is getting me back in the KR building mood. I will have the "Photo of the Week" back up next Sunday. Thanks, > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:01:33 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: outer wing questions Message-ID: <20020319000133.72331.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone see a pro or con on installing a rib on the outer wing identical to the stub rib, then epoxy on to this rib the "filler foam." Also, is anyone out there glassing the foam ribs? My thought was to glass the sides, then just before attaching the skin foam, remove a 45 degree cut at the edges, then filling with flox plus a liberal amount of flox on top to smush the skin into. Any thoughts? I am making skins similar to Mark Langford only KR glass on inside and out rather than CF. Thanks. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:53:27 -0800 To: "Group KR NET" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> outer wing questions Message-ID: I see no problem installing the extra rib at the outside of the wing at the wing root. I also see no reason for glassing the ribs. You may have problems sanding and will probably have trouble getting the wing smooth where you have the flox. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:44:29 -0800 To: "Tim Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Re: KR> outer wing questions Message-ID: <003401c1cf54$af64b5e0$b445a6d1@oemcomputer> Tim, Other than the points brought up in other e-mail on this subject, the big considerations to glassing the ribs are a) is it really needed?, and b) weight. It is not called for in the plans and no one has expressed a problem with the ribs as they are. I will be doing my wings next month and have no plans to glass them due to the weight. Every ounce or half ounce saved adds up on any aircraft, especially the KR! Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: KR> outer wing questions > Does anyone see a pro or con on installing a rib > on the outer wing identical to the stub rib, then > epoxy on to this rib the "filler foam." Also, is > anyone out there glassing the foam ribs? My > thought was to glass the sides, then just before > attaching the skin foam, remove a 45 degree cut > at the edges, then filling with flox plus a > liberal amount of flox on top to smush the skin > into. Any thoughts? I am making skins similar > to Mark Langford only KR glass on inside and out > rather than CF. > > Thanks. > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:04:06 -0500 To: zipperts@whidbey.net ("Dave and Tina Goodman"), timwbrown@yahoo.com ("Tim Brown"), krnet@mailinglists.org ("Group KR NET") From: flykrs@netscape.net (Mr. Bryce Guenther) Subject: RE: Re: KR> outer wing questions Message-ID: <68607E45.4DEB2B4B.00062CFF@netscape.net> Jim Bede designs influencing KR wing ribs, PLZ ? If it works why fix it. "Dave and Tina Goodman" wrote: >Tim, > >Other than the points brought up in other e-mail on this subject, the big >considerations to glassing the ribs are a) is it really needed?, and b) >weight. It is not called for in the plans and no one has expressed a >problem with the ribs as they are. I will be doing my wings next month and >have no plans to glass them due to the weight. Every ounce or half ounce >saved adds up on any aircraft, especially the KR! > >Respectfully, >Dave "Zipper" Goodman >zipperts@whidbey.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Brown" >To: "Group KR NET" >Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:01 PM >Subject: KR> outer wing questions > > >> Does anyone see a pro or con on installing a rib >> on the outer wing identical to the stub rib, then >> epoxy on to this rib the "filler foam." Also, is >> anyone out there glassing the foam ribs? My >> thought was to glass the sides, then just before >> attaching the skin foam, remove a 45 degree cut >> at the edges, then filling with flox plus a >> liberal amount of flox on top to smush the skin >> into. Any thoughts? I am making skins similar >> to Mark Langford only KR glass on inside and out >> rather than CF. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Tim >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage >> http://sports.yahoo.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > -- Flying is Fun and a Thrill that nearly nothing else can compare. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:06:51 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: hello all Message-ID: <12.1c14afb3.29c7db1b@cs.com> --part1_12.1c14afb3.29c7db1b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So sorry to here of your lose. I lost my only sister last year so I no what your going threw you have a lot of friends on the net we all will be glade when you get back to building it will help with the pain mac --part1_12.1c14afb3.29c7db1b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:30:25 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: boyd84@juno.com Cc: Subject: kr elevator sensitivity Message-Id: <20020319.183103.7363.32055@wm9.jersey.juno.com> I read where one kr owner installed differential pulleys on the control cables to reduce elevator sensitivity. Has anyone ever tried mounting the cables closer to the control stick pivot point to reduce the ammount of elevator travel? I dont know if its revelant but the cables are mounted much closer on a volks plane than on the KR.I realize that one wouldnt get full elevator deflection with arrangement. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:10:35 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: tomarickltd.nisbet@att.net Subject: kr2s spar caps Message-Id: <20020320001035.MCRM3679.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> All: New kid on the block. Just got my pile of spruce from Wicks. I don't understand why you take 2 pieces of 1-1/4 x 2-1/4 and laminate them & then saw off 1/2 inch to get the 2 inch dimension. Looks like a lot of waste to me. rick nisbet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:28:41 -0600 To: , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> kr2s spar caps Message-ID: <003501c1cfa6$3025f800$07991f41@wi.rr.com> Rick and all, When ordering your spruce and spar caps for the center spar and outer spars, contact Wick's and specify what size you wish the finished pieces to be. They will laminate the spar caps and cut them to size for you at no additional charge. They did this for me and I must say it is quality work and saved me a lot of time. If you do the center spars yourself the final dimension should be 2 x 2 5/32" and 83" length. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html Subject: KR> kr2s spar caps > All: > > New kid on the block. Just got my pile of spruce from > Wicks. I don't understand why you take 2 pieces of 1-1/4 > x 2-1/4 and laminate them & then saw off 1/2 inch to get > the 2 inch dimension. Looks like a lot of waste to me. > > rick nisbet > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:24:28 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "saunders01" Subject: Engine mounting Message-ID: <00f501c1cfa5$98da95a0$e7a49f18@chartermd.net> ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C1CF7B.AFD9D420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This question is about alignment of the engine in relation to the = centerline. Is there any kind of offset between the centerline of the = aircraft and the thrustline? I have had it recommended to have a couple = of degrees of offset in the engine mounting to compensate for P-factor. = Any input on this subject would be appreciated.=20 Mike Saunders n3ucb@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C1CF7B.AFD9D420-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:13:19 -0800 To: "saunders01" , "krnet" From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Engine mounting Message-Id: If you had a 200 horsepower engine on your KR this might be a factor, but with VWs with their low power, low torque, and tiny props, it simply isn't an issue. No offset and no pitch down, either. I had the original extruded channel mount on my KR-1 when I built it in 1977. First flight showed I needed a LOT of left rudder, which I thought for sure was p-factor, so I progressively added spacers to introduce just the kind of offset you mention. When I got to four degrees and it still didn't help, I knew the plane simply wasn't built straight. Sure enough, I had some inadvertent offset in the vertical fin. When I fixed that (and removed the spacers) the amount of foot needed in climb because negligible (this was with an 1835 engine at the time). Bob At 7:24 PM -0500 3/19/02, saunders01 wrote: >This question is about alignment of the engine in relation to the >centerline. Is there any kind of offset between the centerline of >the aircraft and the thrustline? I have had it recommended to have >a couple of degrees of offset in the engine mounting to compensate >for P-factor. Any input on this subject would be appreciated. > >Mike Saunders >n3ucb@email.uophx.edu -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:49:08 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Tony Bingelis's books Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CFEC.1991C6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received the whole set of Tony Bingelis's books (yes, the 4 of them!) from the EAA. At $ 79.95 plus shipping, customs and excise, it cost me an arm and a leg by South African standards, but it's money well spent. Those books are full of useful knowledge and tricks. It's a pity I have a flying KR2 already, because these books really make me want to build! Anyway, there are 4 books, covering the following subjects: - Building in general (all the layman should know before starting a project, - Construction techniques, - Engine installation, - Engines A nice read! Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1CFEC.1991C6A0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************