From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 3 Apr 2002 00:36:43 -0000 Issue 402 Date: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:37 PM krnet Digest 3 Apr 2002 00:36:43 -0000 Issue 402 Topics (messages 9498 through 9523): Re: Sun'n Fun 9498 by: Jeff York 9499 by: Sam Sayer 9508 by: Leonardoadrenalina 9510 by: Frank Ross 9517 by: Sam Sayer Re: Sun'n Fun-meeting place 9500 by: Dana Overall 9502 by: virgnvs.juno.com 9506 by: Dana Overall Photo of the Week 9501 by: Mark Jones I'm on the road to start! 9503 by: Ricky Farley Re: tail 9504 by: Mike 9505 by: Daniel Heath Re: TAIL SPRING 9507 by: Mike 9509 by: larry flesner Re: new airfoil technology 9511 by: rick dechau Digital vs. Analog Instruments 9512 by: Seifert, Richard E 9513 by: larry flesner 9514 by: Gary Sprunger Re: Seeking owner of KR2 Project 9515 by: Rick Spies 9518 by: virgnvs.juno.com 9523 by: ROBERT COOPER Re: Sun'n Fun I will be there Jeff York 9516 by: Jeff York Using Safari/Astro Van Leaf Springs as Landing Gear 9519 by: Peter Johnson Re: 8 cylinder VW engine 9520 by: Mike Mims DimpleTape 9521 by: rick dechau Re: excuses 9522 by: David McKelvey Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:32:11 -0500 To: bo124rs@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jeff York" Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun Message-ID: Meeting at the air show Sunday at Sun N Fun sounds great to me. Its a big place. Where do we meet. If I remember right the KRs park in an area that is close enough to the runway to see the airshow. Other than that I would think of the only other landmark would be near the hut building that sits out toward the flight line. Jeff York >From: "Dana Overall" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun >Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:30:45 -0500 > >Hate to clutter up the airwaves with an organizational type message, but >what the heck, here goes. > >Who is planning on attending Sun & Fun? Since RR will not have a booth >(what's up with that?) we need to find a place to meet on Sunday and maybe >get together over some adult beverages and watch the airshow. This would >be >a great time for everyone to swap the biggest flying lie they they can >boastfully tell:-). I'm getting there on Friday so I can get some good >deals with the outside vendors on Saturday before the circus come to town >on >Sunday. Anybody up for trying to get together Sunday?? > >Leo, great looking KR. Looking forward to meeting you. > >Dana Overall >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >http://rvflying.tripod.com > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:17:14 -0500 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Sun'NFun Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1D9B1.D515D0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all KR People: I know this is April 1st, but this is no joke. I am a volunteer at the Sun 'N Fun. I work in the kitchen making sandwic= hes that go to feed all other volunteers in various capacities. I work e= ach day from 7 A.M. until 9 A.M. (2 hours) and the rest of the day is mine. In the past I have had several people from Michigan staying at my place, = but none of them are coming this year. I have one KR man from Tennessee = coming this Saturday to stay with us. I can accommodate two married couples and two singles. Free Room & Board.= . I live in Zephyrhills, Florida, about 28 miles northwest of Lakeland. Please let me know if you would like to stay with us at our place. I am a= lso a KR builder and you may want to see my project. It is a super stretc= h KR. Sam Sayer 6621 Foxmoor Drive Zephyrhills, FL 33541 Phone: (813) 782-3302 Karibird 37@ MSN.COMGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1D9B1.D515D0A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:01:24 -0300 To: "Dana Overall" , From: "Leonardoadrenalina" Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun Message-ID: <008d01c1da57$473d63a0$08b9c0c8@estacao1> Hi all!! That's a good idea choose a better day to meet all the KR's builders and flyers at Sun'n Fun , wich is the best 'saturday or sunday and where?? Leo.Brazil. -----Mensagem original----- De: Dana Overall Para: krnet@mailinglists.org Data: Segunda-feira, 1 de Abril de 2002 18:31 Assunto: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun >Hate to clutter up the airwaves with an organizational type message, but >what the heck, here goes. > >Who is planning on attending Sun & Fun? Since RR will not have a booth >(what's up with that?) we need to find a place to meet on Sunday and maybe >get together over some adult beverages and watch the airshow. This would be >a great time for everyone to swap the biggest flying lie they they can >boastfully tell:-). I'm getting there on Friday so I can get some good >deals with the outside vendors on Saturday before the circus come to town on >Sunday. Anybody up for trying to get together Sunday?? > >Leo, great looking KR. Looking forward to meeting you. > >Dana Overall >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >http://rvflying.tripod.com > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:24:10 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun Message-ID: <20020402152410.24317.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Leonardo, Sunday meet in "Homebuilt" section near Tom Crawford's plane. Look for old men in straw hats. I wear a name tag with my EAA Chapter 35 on it. I will not be there Sunday. I will spend time at the Great Planes VW booth. It has been inside a hanger in the past. In the Sauna section. The Bennet's have been very active in KR activities and usually have an excellent forum and a barbeque at the VW engine tent on Monday afternoon. Bennets, are you out there? I will be there and at the KR Dinner. The dinner is a GREAT place to meet other KR enthusiasts too. Tuesday evening at the Holiday Inn? Virg? Wear something that says KR or you may miss us all. The KRs are usually in the front of the Homebuilt section. Hope to see you there, Frank Ross in San Antonio, Texas, USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:01:45 -0500 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Sun'N Fun Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1DA57.4E2F09C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All beds has been taken at my house. Frank Ross just requested the last = available bed. Sorry unable to accommodate any more. Hope to see you all at the Fly-IN. Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://expl= orer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1DA57.4E2F09C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:23:56 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun-meeting place Message-ID: Several people have emailed me offline, so let's go public OK, let's give this a try. The hut at the center gate entrance to the homebuilt area is just about center box for the aerobatics so this area is alway crowded during the airshow. The homebuilt area is off limits during the airshow. I'm going to throw Tom Crawford into the mix (he's volunteering without knowing it). Tom is planning on coming down on Sunday. His KR is hard to miss. Let's plan on meeting around Tom's KR at 1:00PM Sunday. The airshow starts at 2PM. If Tom cannot make it for some reason, let's meet at the far left entrance (as you look at the homebuilt area). OK, who wants to make the sign........I'm serious. Whoever wants to, send me a private email and I'll give you my cell number so we can put something together. Everybody up for this. We need the sign as Melody Mountains (our ol KR girl) has relayed the fact that she might be at SNF. We have tried to meet up with her so many times, but just can't seem to get it together. If you need to ask................ (It's an old joke) but we need a sign. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:53:58 -0500 To: bo124rs@hotmail.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun-meeting place Message-ID: <20020401.220832.-408581.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Forum 11AM Tues, Dinner 7PM Tues , Virg On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:23:56 -0500 "Dana Overall" writes: > Several people have emailed me offline, so let's go public > > OK, let's give this a try. The hut at the center gate entrance to > the > homebuilt area is just about center box for the aerobatics so this > area is > alway crowded during the airshow. The homebuilt area is off limits > during > the airshow. > > I'm going to throw Tom Crawford into the mix (he's volunteering > without > knowing it). Tom is planning on coming down on Sunday. His KR is > hard to > miss. Let's plan on meeting around Tom's KR at 1:00PM Sunday. The > airshow > starts at 2PM. If Tom cannot make it for some reason, let's meet at > the far > left entrance (as you look at the homebuilt area). OK, who wants to > make > the sign........I'm serious. Whoever wants to, send me a private > email and > I'll give you my cell number so we can put something together. > > Everybody up for this. We need the sign as Melody Mountains (our ol > KR > girl) has relayed the fact that she might be at SNF. We have tried > to meet > up with her so many times, but just can't seem to get it together. > If you > need to ask................ (It's an old joke) but we need a sign. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > http://rvflying.tripod.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 06:47:51 -0500 To: virgnvs@juno.com From: "Dana Overall" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun-meeting place Message-ID: Virg, that's all well and good but it ain't goin to do much for getting together Sunday:-) OK, gang we got a sign maker. Now maybe Melody Mountains (our KR groupee) will be able to find us at long last. We can only hope:-) So it's on. Sunday, 1300 at Tom's KR in the homebuilt section (if he can make it). Second alternative, the far left entrance gate to the homebuilt area (as you look towards the runway). Let the good times roll!!!!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com >From: virgnvs@juno.com > > Forum 11AM Tues, Dinner 7PM Tues , Virg > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:43:18 -0600 To: "KR-Net" , "CorvAircraft" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Photo of the Week Message-ID: <00a601c1d9f0$25d3cae0$07991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C1D9BD.DAFDD880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Guys & Gals but I am a day late in updating the Photo Page. I have = just posted a couple photos of my intakes. I am waiting on an Aerocarb = to mount to the pipes and then we fire the young lady = up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C1D9BD.DAFDD880-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:10:19 -0600 To: From: "Ricky Farley" Subject: I'm on the road to start! Message-ID: <003801c1da04$b2495800$6501a8c0@ENTERPRISE> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1D9D2.67AEE800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that I have finally moved into my new house (well-almost moved in-I don't think I'll ever be fully moved in until it's time to move out), I finally got around to ordering my plans today. I've also ordered the plans for the new airfoil and the WAFs from Trailing Edge Technologies, so hopefully I'll get around to ordering my spruce and plywood kits soon. I've got to build my table now, so that should keep me busy until I can get all the rest of the stuff in. I'm looking forward to finally start contributing my two cents worth every now and then. Ricky Farley (geek92@cox-internet.com) San Angelo TX (formally of San Antonio) ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1D9D2.67AEE800-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 02:32:29 -0500 To: From: "Mike" Subject: RE: tail Message-ID: <000f01c1da18$9e0ff240$f6e52f44@shrpsr01.tn.comcast.net> ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1D9EE.A26ED1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a question, probably a dumb one, but here goes, my kr was started = by a man that died , I bought it from his daughter and so there is a lot = of odds and ends that came with it and i was wondering if a luscombe = tailwheel spring is ok to use on the kr? The thing is stiff as whizz, = should it have a lil give to it? I have thought about using a fiberglass = leave spring arrangment, i just dont know what the load may be back = there. I am a tri gear pilot and dont have a clue as to how much load is = gonna be on it back there. Still seems like to me if there isnt enough = give it is just gonna ruin the wood that it is fastened to. Anyone care = to share ? Thanks, Mike ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1D9EE.A26ED1A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 05:47:07 -0800 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> RE: tail Message-ID: Mike, I don't think that it will hurt anything directly, but it is very much too stiff. You should not use any of the compression type springs. There is an expansion spring in the AS catalog that we ordered and I think it will work well. I am speaking from experience as my first KR had the compression springs on it and I could not get the wheel to move independent of the rudder. I found an expansion spring and used that and never had another problem with it. There is a lightweight tension spring kit on page 218 of the new AS catalog for $17.80, check it out. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:48:10 -0500 To: From: "mike" Subject: RE: TAIL SPRING Message-ID: <001501c1da44$a62294c0$6400a8c0@wolftreeinc.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1DA1A.BC2F35E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tell ya what i have been thinking is, i have some fiberglass here at = work, it is 1.75 in wide X.25 thick fiberglassand all the fibers run = longitudinally kinda like a fiberglass bow does( archery bow ) and i was = thinking i may be able to use layers of those to make a fiberglass leaf = spring it would be lighter too. What do ya think Dan? ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1DA1A.BC2F35E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:17:32 -0600 To: From: larry flesner Subject: TAIL SPRING Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020402091732.009112e0@mail.midwest.net> At 07:48 AM 4/2/02 -0500, mike wrote: >I tell ya what i have been thinking is, i have some fiberglass here at work, it is 1.75 in wide X.25 thick fiberglassand all the fibers run longitudinally kinda like a fiberglass bow does( archery bow ) and i was thinking i may be able to use layers of those to make a fiberglass leaf spring it would be lighter too. What do ya think Dan? >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ Dan, That sounds good to me. You can use more or less layers and/or adjust the length of the units when closer to completion to get the "spring-e-ness" you're looking for. If it's too stiff you will transfer a lot of stress to the fuselage (attach point) and if it's too light you will get a lot of "tail-bobbing" and skipping. Use your best judgement. That's one of those things you have to trust your "gut" on. Us netters can't really advise without seeing the material and the final assembly. Good luck. P.S. Some tailwheel assy's take 1 1/4 inch wide springs but the fiberglass units could be shaved down on the end to fit them. Just make sure to tapper the transition point and don't square it off as that could cause a stress point. Also, you might want to add a few layers of glass with the weave on the "45" to remove some of the "twist" (torsional bending??) movement out of the spring. Maybe some of the engineer types could help out there. I used a portion of a leaf spring from a 1930's era auto that I found in the attic of a blacksmith shop. Hey, we all have our sources! :-) While I'm rambling on tailwheels, I'll through this out for future reference. A good friend of mine has an Acro Sport II that he has never been happy with the landing qualities (he has 300+ hours in the aircraft). He either had to land hot in a tail low attitude or if he tried to 3 point it, the tail would touch first, causing the mains to bounce on and it would start to do the "hippy-t-hop" thing down the runway. He recently switched to a new tailwheel assy which probably has the tail only a few inches lower in the three point attitude but he has claimed several times since (with a big smile on his face) that it has made it a completely different airplane on landing. Go figure. It can't have changed the pitch angle on landing but a degree or two. My point here, if what you have isn't working, don't be afraid to try something different. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 06:56:23 -0500 To: , From: "rick dechau" <1972@frontiernet.net> Cc: Subject: Re: KR> new airfoil technology Message-ID: <001f01c1da3d$78a31b20$bab0d440@frontiernet.net> For those that think this is April fools. This tape has been around a long time. F1 guys use it boat racers use it and bicycle guys put it on there tubes and helmets. This is not new technology Just someone has brought it to your attention. It does work, we have had it on our hydro in the water and they are faster. The stop watch says it all. But be aware its not cheep. RICK http://www.dimpletape.com/ If you have gotten this more than 1 time. I am sorry I am having problems with my mailer RICK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: Re: KR> new airfoil technology > Past info in Sport Aviation, Virg > > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 05:57:25 -0600 "Mark Langford" > writes: > > Bill Kirkland from the great white North requested that I forward > > the > > following information to KRnet: > > > > A new Canadian invention promises to offer airfoils with markedly > > greater > > lift along with somewhat reduced drag. The airfoil surface is > > dimpled > > somewhat like a golf balls. This new airfoil has a dimpled surface > > which > > when forced through the air at flying speeds actually augments the > > lift > > normally created by the airfoil. > > They discovered this effect accidently when an air force jet flew > > into a > > hailstorm resulting in the entire fuselage and wing leading edges > > being > > dimpled by the large hailstones. Remarkedly the aircrafts > > performance was > > increased by about 7%. Both increased lift and reduced drag were > > noted. > > > > We have all marveled at the way golf balls seem to rise up rapidly > > and > > travel great distances. At least when Tiger hits them! It is the > > dimpled > > surface on the golf ball that is responsible for the ability of the > > golf > > ball to lift up while in flight. Baseball pitchers also use the > > same > > principle to make a pitch actually rise a bit when in flight. > > > > The dimpling is only required on the front 1/3rd. Of the airfoil. > > The only > > problem is that the size and spacing of the dimples is affected by > > the > > reynolds no. of the wing so it varies with each aircraft, it's > > planform and > > cruising speed. > > > > Further in formation on this unique concept can be had by contacting > > the > > inventors at Canada air. In Montreal PQ. It helps if you can address > > them in > > French because the laws in that Province require them to deal in > > English > > only as a last resort. > > > > I will be contacting them to determine just how the dimpled surface > > can be > > used on the KR. If your interested contact me at > > Kirkland@vianet.on.ca > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:31:41 -0800 To: "'KRnet'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: Digital vs. Analog Instruments Message-ID: <9BA7A06DA8127B4B925954F3F8705D349F8212@XCH-SW-09.sw.nos.boeing.com> For those KR builders thinking about instruments. Try a little experiment. We all know a good pilot should spend most of his time looking out the window at the horizon and for other planes unless he is in instrument conditions. The analog instrument if properly selected will be calibrated with a green arch in the 10 o'clock to 1 o'clock position. The purpose of the arch is aid instrument scanning. If your engine instruments are properly positioned and marked a one second scan of all engine instruments is sufficient. A one second scan will tell you if you have problem. Try scanning your digital instruments. First you have to read the digits, then you have to recall the acceptable range for that engine parameter, and then determine if the indication is within that range. You will find that scanning a set of digital instrument takes much longer and your eyes and mind will spend much more time in the cockpit instead of outside looking for traffic. If you really want digital instruments try investing in an engine management system instead. Look at EMS systems that are programmable and let the system scan the readings for you. These systems cost much more but do reduce pilot workload because the pilot can ignore the system until the system detects a engine parameter outside the limits you programmed in. These systems are great if you trust electrons. I personally don't trust anything I can't see and only half of what I do see. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:32:05 -0600 To: "'KRnet'" From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Digital vs. Analog Instruments Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020402123205.00914200@mail.midwest.net> At 07:31 AM 4/2/02 -0800, Seifert, Richard E wrote: >For those KR builders thinking about instruments. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ snip++++++++++++++++ . Try scanning your digital instruments. First you have to read the digits, then >you have to recall the acceptable range for that engine parameter, and then >determine if the indication is within that range. You will find that >scanning a set of digital instrument takes much longer and your eyes and >mind will spend much more time in the cockpit instead of outside looking for >traffic. +++++++++++++++++++++snip++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That is the exact reason I could never get used to wearing a digital watch. Every time I looked at it I had to make a conscious calculation of what it was telling me. If I looked at it two minutes later I had to do the same thing all over again. I can interpret my anlog watch without having to think about it. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:09:01 -0700 To: "larry flesner" , "'KRnet'" From: "Gary Sprunger" Subject: Re: KR> Digital vs. Analog Instruments Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1DA3F.2D071C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm old enough to remember making the adjustment from Roman Numerals on t= he clock face to numbers. But isn't it great that we can make adjustments= and that the bottom line is, "It's all a matter of what you're used to." Gary Sprunger N5633F ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:57 AM To: 'KRnet' Subject: Re: KR> Digital vs. Analog Instruments At 07:31 AM 4/2/02 -0800, Seifert, Richard E wrote: >For those KR builders thinking about instruments. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ snip++++++++++++++++ . Try scanning your digital instruments. First you have to read the digits, then >you have to recall the acceptable range for that engine parameter, and t= hen >determine if the indication is within that range. You will find that >scanning a set of digital instrument takes much longer and your eyes and >mind will spend much more time in the cockpit instead of outside looking= for >traffic. +++++++++++++++++++++snip++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That is the exact reason I could never get used to wearing a digital watch. Every time I looked at it I had to make a conscious calculation of what it was telling me. If I looked at it two minutes later I had to do the same thing all over again. I can interpret my anlog watch without having to think about it. Larry Flesner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1DA3F.2D071C00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:37:22 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Rick Spies" Cc: Subject: KR: Seeking owner of KR2 Project Message-Id: <20020402193722.08C6FB6FD@xmxpita.excite.com> posted a very similar note to this list 4.5 years ago and turned-up no useful leads. With the exponential growth of the internet, I thought I'd try again. I’m hoping to have my and my father's curiosity satisfied about a KR2 project my father started at the end of the ‘70’s and sold incomplete around 1984. My father was living in Middlebury, VT at the time. He sold it to a guy in the Cleveland, OH area, possibly Rocky River, OH or other town on the west side of Cleveland. The buyer may have been an engineer at Union Carbide. The project was well along, with almost all of the wood work complete and some of the metal components fitted. I’m trying to find out if the project was ever completed and if the plane ever flew. Thanks! Rick rickspies@excite.com Direct email response suggested rather than cluttering-up this listserv. ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:09:18 -0500 To: rickspies@excite.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR: Seeking owner of KR2 Project Message-ID: <20020402.151004.-143505.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Check w/ RR, Virg On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:37:22 -0500 (EST) "Rick Spies" writes: > > posted a very similar note to this list 4.5 years ago and turned-up > no useful leads. With the exponential growth of the internet, I > thought I'd try again. > > I’m hoping to have my and my father's curiosity satisfied about a > KR2 project my father started at the end of the ‘70’s and sold > incomplete around 1984. My father was living in Middlebury, VT at > the time. > > He sold it to a guy in the Cleveland, OH area, possibly Rocky River, > OH or other town on the west side of Cleveland. The buyer may have > been an engineer at Union Carbide. The project was well along, with > almost all of the wood work complete and some of the metal > components fitted. > > I’m trying to find out if the project was ever completed and if the > plane ever flew. > > Thanks! > > Rick > rickspies@excite.com > > Direct email response suggested rather than cluttering-up this > listserv. > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:34:07 -0500 To: , From: "ROBERT COOPER" Cc: "krnet" Subject: Re: KR> KR: Seeking owner of KR2 Project Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1DA7D.5AD41460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick probably not the same project but mine came from Ashley OH. and was was r= egistered to J.H. Doyle Jr.. I don't know if this was the original owner = or not. Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: virgnvs@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:12 PM To: rickspies@excite.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR: Seeking owner of KR2 Project Check w/ RR, Virg On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:37:22 -0500 (EST) "Rick Spies" writes: > > posted a very similar note to this list 4.5 years ago and turned-up > no useful leads. With the exponential growth of the internet, I > thought I'd try again. > > I=E2=80=99m hoping to have my and my father's curiosity satisfied about= a > KR2 project my father started at the end of the =E2=80=9870=E2=80=99s a= nd sold > incomplete around 1984. My father was living in Middlebury, VT at > the time. > > He sold it to a guy in the Cleveland, OH area, possibly Rocky River, > OH or other town on the west side of Cleveland. The buyer may have > been an engineer at Union Carbide. The project was well along, with > almost all of the wood work complete and some of the metal > components fitted. > > I=E2=80=99m trying to find out if the project was ever completed and if= the > plane ever flew. > > Thanks! > > Rick > rickspies@excite.com > > Direct email response suggested rather than cluttering-up this > listserv. > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1DA7D.5AD41460-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:50:44 -0500 To: adrenabh@terra.com.br, bo124rs@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jeff York" Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun I will be there Jeff York Message-ID: I will be attending Sun N Fun as well. Mike Warner another Kr'r will be with me. He is currently building a KR as well as restoring a 47 Bonanza. Will there be any KR forums? I hope so Jeff York Lexington, KY >From: "Leonardoadrenalina" >To: "Dana Overall" , >Subject: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun >Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:01:24 -0300 > >Hi all!! > >That's a good idea choose a better day to meet all the KR's builders and >flyers at Sun'n Fun , wich is the best 'saturday or sunday and where?? > > >Leo.Brazil. > >-----Mensagem original----- >De: Dana Overall >Para: krnet@mailinglists.org >Data: Segunda-feira, 1 de Abril de 2002 18:31 >Assunto: Re: KR> Sun'n Fun > > > >Hate to clutter up the airwaves with an organizational type message, but > >what the heck, here goes. > > > >Who is planning on attending Sun & Fun? Since RR will not have a booth > >(what's up with that?) we need to find a place to meet on Sunday and >maybe > >get together over some adult beverages and watch the airshow. This would >be > >a great time for everyone to swap the biggest flying lie they they can > >boastfully tell:-). I'm getting there on Friday so I can get some good > >deals with the outside vendors on Saturday before the circus come to town >on > >Sunday. Anybody up for trying to get together Sunday?? > > > >Leo, great looking KR. Looking forward to meeting you. > > > >Dana Overall > >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > >Richmond, KY > >http://rvflying.tripod.com > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:12:12 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Using Safari/Astro Van Leaf Springs as Landing Gear Message-ID: <003501c1daa4$704757e0$9c09eccf@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C1DA61.26231200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This note to everyone who has contacted me in the last couple of weeks = regarding using the composite leaf springs from the Astro or Safari = vans. I can't find the notes I posted to the KRNet. I did the tests late = summer/early fall of last year. I'm not sure if they are in the = 'archives' I've never been able to figure out how to search the archives = for info. In a nutshell, the above composite springs were installed in the above = vans for quite some number of years, and may still be in use today. = Once cut and ground down they are very similar in dimensions to what we = commonly use for landing gear. I cut my gear legs to 29 1/2" and ground = them to a uniform 5/8" thickness, the corners were all sanded with a bit = of a radius just for safe handling. I then clamped a leg horizontally = to a highway lowbed overlapping the lowbed by the same length that the = legs will overlap the mounting brackets on the spar. I then hung known = weights and big guys off the end and measured the deflection of the leg = while the weights were being applied. Afterwards I calculated the = capacity/discplacement for the legs mounted at a 45 degree angle as they = are in the plane. What I found was that for 1200 lbs gross weight (half that on each leg), = and three 'G's impact (I mean 'landing') load, the vertical = discplacement of the leg mounted at 45 degrees would be less than the = 10" clearance I had between the top of my wheel and the bottom of the = wing. =20 A couple of notes: One, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT HANDLING THESE SPRINGS = WITHOUT HEAVY LEATHER WORK GLOVES!!!! I sanded radius' along the length = of my legs and 'vacuum wrapped' them with two layers of 6 oz cloth so as = to provide a safe surface and a surface to apply a finish on. The legs = on the van are a multitude of fine monofilament strands and during use = the top couple of layers of the filaments delaminate. You get one of = those stuck in you you're not going to forget it for awhile! The legs have some metal pieces bonded to them. I used a large chisel = and equally large hammer to work them off. I would not suggest using = heat to remove the metal. If you've heated the bond enough to remove = the metal, you've probably heated the bonding resin too. When you go to your local yard, look for a set of springs with a mimimum = amount of delamination of the upper surface. We have to grind the = middle area of the spring down some to obtain a uniform thickness and in = so do doing remove of the upper layer of the spring, but look for a set = that's not about to fall apart anyway. At the yard you'll need a = grinder with grinding disk and cut-off wheel, hacksaw, hammer, prybar, = pliers, a jack if the yard won't give you one to use, and some blocks to = hold the van up in the air. All you need is a course tooth hacksaw blade to cut this material, and = an 80G disc to sand them down. The center section has to be sanded down = so as to provide a consistant taper and thickness that is fair with the = end of the spring. This is not hard to do, but wear eye protection and = at least a dust filter while you're doing it, it stinks and is messy! Fitted to one end of the leaf springs as they come off the vans are two = 'half round' pieces of metal that keep the leaf spring in a socket on = the vehicle. I kept these pieces and intend to fit them to the spar = mounting brackets so as to give the spring smooth edges to flex over. = The metal pieces will also serve to spread the load at the attach points = to the spar mounting bracket. The van leaf springs are made up of a = multitude of monofilament fibers running lengthwise, unlike the common = composite legs that have the fiber layed at a 45 degree angle to itself = and the length of the leg. If you were to pass a single bolt through = the van springs, and apply a load to them, there's a good chance the = springs may seperate lengthwise because the load is not totally = distributed along the fiber matrix. IE, you need a plate to pass over = the load attach points. Large area washers will be needed on the axle = plate mounting bolts. I'm going to weld up my own spar and axle mounting brackets. Any = 'misalignment' at the axle will be dealt with using shims as per common = practise. Random recollections... The leaf springs weighed 4 1/2 lbs each if I = remember correctly. I paid $35 CDN for them and had the pleasure of = removing them myself. This is not a big job, just make sure the vehicle = is well supported and braced off the chassis before you begin work. I = honeslty don't recall what kind of weight or discplacement I had hanging = on the spring when it was attached to the lowbed for testing. I do = recall that it was quickly obvious that the springs would not have a = problem carrying the test load. After correcting the load/discplacement = so as to simulate the springs attached to the plane in a 45 degree = angle, I was not going to have to worry about the tire hitting the the = underside of the wing (10" above) when loaded to an equivalent 3G's. So as to elimate the vagaries of my failing memory, if these emails are = kept in an archive, I would appreciate it if someone so inclined were to = look for the three seperate emails I posted on the above topic. Thanks = in advance. I hope this helps someone. If anyone has any questions or comments = about the above, please contact me. Also, if anyone can look in the = archives for the three emails I posted last year, I would appreciate it. = Thanks. Peter Johnson KR-2Sexy Kenora, Ontario mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C1DA61.26231200-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:53:57 -0800 (PST) To: KR Net Listings From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> 8 cylinder VW engine Message-ID: <20020402225357.18604.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1718262424-1017788037=:18267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would be looking at the new W8, or the 1.8t, or the TDI. :o) Phillip Matheson wrote: All you need to know about more power, 8 cylinder VW or gear reduction unit. and lots more http://www.vwengines.com/ Phil matheson@dodo.com.au --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-1718262424-1017788037=:18267-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:06:45 -0500 To: From: "rick dechau" <1972@frontiernet.net> Cc: "Richard Dechau" <1972@frontiernet.net> Subject: DimpleTape Message-ID: <000801c1d9f3$6c4dc180$bab0d440@frontiernet.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1D9C9.83130440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is not an April fools joke. This is old technology that you have just heard about.I have used it on my hydro plane and it does make a difference. The stop watch tell the truth. But it is not cheep. F1 flying guys use it boat racers and bike guys. It is great stuff. Every Kt. or MPH counts. RICK http://www.dimpletape.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1D9C9.83130440-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:57:40 -0600 To: From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> excuses Message-ID: I just tell them I'm doing it for the fun of building it!! -----Original Message----- From: larry flesner [mailto:flesner@midwest.net] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 5:29 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> excuses I've finally arrived at >the point that I'm tired of people asking when it's going to be flying! >>Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, When people ask me when I expect to get mine flying my answer is the same as it has always been, 1995 ! They usually have to think about that for a bit before they ask their follow-up questions? Larry Flesner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************