From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 22 Apr 2002 00:34:54 -0000 Issue 413 Date: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:35 PM krnet Digest 22 Apr 2002 00:34:54 -0000 Issue 413 Topics (messages 9755 through 9773): Re: WAF's 9755 by: ROBERT COOPER 9757 by: Daniel Heath 9759 by: Edwin Blocher 9763 by: Ron Eason 9765 by: Mark Langford 9767 by: Gary Sprunger 9771 by: Ron Eason Re: corvaircraft: video 9756 by: ROBERT COOPER Re: WAF's-respect?? 9758 by: Daniel Heath parts for sale 9760 by: rfarmer Corvair engines 9761 by: M&C Re: Respect, enough about WAF:-) 9762 by: Dana Overall KR2S Wanted 9764 by: clappw.bellsouth.net Glass cockpits 9766 by: Dana Overall Carfax Reports 9768 by: Patrick Driscoll vw engine case 9769 by: Allan D Olcott TET WAFs 9770 by: Dean Collette Helpful Hints 9772 by: Frank Ross Tool boxes 9773 by: Darren Pond Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:11:18 -0400 To: , "Robert Stone" , "krnet" , From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> WAF's Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E7CD.9A84F040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When deciding to buy or fabricate, I consider the cost of the item vs the= cost of materials, the time to fabricate vs the time to assemble, and do= I have the tools, expertise and patience to fabricate. I don't mind expe= rimenting and learning new tasks and I love buying tools as long as it is= something I can use more than once, but for now I would rather spend my= scarace rescorces on airplane parts. Some build an airplane to build, so= me build to fly. I love building but I also want to fly ASAP. So I bought= WAF's, I'm rebuilding Gene Byrds wings, and The wood I needed, I bought = from wicks. I could have gone to the north west and cut my own but it was= more costeffective to buy it. Sooo-- buy what you want, build it the way= you want, use the new airfoil or the old. Just fly it to the gathering a= nd you'll have my respect. Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Eason Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:34 PM To: Robert Stone; krnet@mailinglists.org; svidal@icon.co.za Subject: RE: KR> WAF's Wing attachment fittings have been hand made for years before TET or anyo= ne slse. You can even cut them out with a good hand saw and drill them w= ith a hand drill just as they were done by builders it the past. KR builders are builders and fabricators because of the nature of the dra= wings, but some would like to just be assembliers, and some do a combinat= ion of both. I people i respect are the builders and fabricators. KRron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:33:21 +0200 >No, what I say is that they sometimes have to be very, very motivated to= do >so, because of: > >1 - The exchange rate >2 - The shipment costs >3 - The Customs and Excise hassle > >Not to mention the fact that in many countries, you have to go through q= uite >a lot of red tape simply to pay something abroad. >So, most of them would probably be better inspired to go to the best mac= hine >shop available locally. >Otherwise, I know enough of Mark and his legendary perfectionism to beli= eve >that WAFs probably can't get better than TET's. > >Serge > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com] >Sent: 19 April, 2002 2:57 PM >To: svidal@icon.co.za >Subject: Re: KR> WAF's > >Serge: Are you trying to say that people (Builders) who live outside th= e US >cannot purchase from TET????? > >Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX >rstone4@hot.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Serge F. VIDAL" >To: "Robert Stone" >Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:37 AM >Subject: RE: KR> WAF's > > >> Robert, >> >> Are you aware that not all the Netters live in the US? >> >> Serge VIDAL >> KR2 ZS-WEC >> Johannesburg, South Africa >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com] >> Sent: 19 April, 2002 2:15 AM >> To: KRNet >> Subject: KR> WAF's >> >> Netters: With all the traffic I have seen on Wing attach fittings, it >seems >> since this is such an important part of the aircraft all builders shou= ld >buy >> them from TET. From what I have heard the price is right and the prod= uct >is >> perfect. I know from personal experience they are very hard to make u= p in >> your garage unless you are a proto-type machinist with all the right >> equipment. So that's my advice to all builders >> >> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX >> rstone4@hot.rr.com >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E7CD.9A84F040-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:48:55 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> WAF's Message-ID: There is something that needs to be mentioned here. For all the new people to the KR building community. I personally don't believe in building everything myself, but we need to remember that the KR was designed as an airplane that you can build without much specialized skill or many specialized tools. You just have to be resourceful and to be a person who can figure things out for yourself. This is why the KR is still the best bang for the buck. If it were a "snap together" where you bought everything ready made, most of us could not or would not afford it. The neatest thing about it is that you have all the options and a great community of KR builders on this NET to help you get through it. See you in IOWA Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:44:43 -0500 To: "Daniel Heath" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> WAF's Message-ID: <000c01c1e7f3$ef925b60$7b9131cc@cyou.com> AMEM. And a machinist friend of mine wouldn't touch them. And how do you measure a 6 degree (two 3 degree bends on the TET WAF's) on these things. I got lucky and bought a set of unused TET fitting for $200 and they are a work of art. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: RE: KR> WAF's > There is something that needs to be mentioned here. For all the new people > to the KR building community. I personally don't believe in building > everything myself, but we need to remember that the KR was designed as an > airplane that you can build without much specialized skill or many > specialized tools. You just have to be resourceful and to be a person who > can figure things out for yourself. > > This is why the KR is still the best bang for the buck. If it were a "snap > together" where you bought everything ready made, most of us could not or > would not afford it. The neatest thing about it is that you have all the > options and a great community of KR builders on this NET to help you get > through it. > > See you in IOWA > > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:31:22 -0500 To: "Daniel Heath" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> WAF's Message-ID: <003401c1e813$761d5120$31631e41@Administration> Very good point! KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: RE: KR> WAF's > There is something that needs to be mentioned here. For all the new people > to the KR building community. I personally don't believe in building > everything myself, but we need to remember that the KR was designed as an > airplane that you can build without much specialized skill or many > specialized tools. You just have to be resourceful and to be a person who > can figure things out for yourself. > > This is why the KR is still the best bang for the buck. If it were a "snap > together" where you bought everything ready made, most of us could not or > would not afford it. The neatest thing about it is that you have all the > options and a great community of KR builders on this NET to help you get > through it. > > See you in IOWA > > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:40:18 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> WAF's Message-ID: <006501c1e81d$179faa80$7600a8c0@athlon600> NetHeads, Once Virg said "Support R R and get the WAF's from Rand", I had really hoped to just crawl into my cozy foxhole and stay there for some time and take a little respite from the rigors of KRnet. But maybe I can contribute a little to this 4130 discussion. Rich asked: "Can any of you metallurgical experts explain how any kind of cutting or machining process can make 4130 weaker than the normalized condition used in the KR plans. I always understood anything you did to it made it stronger." I certainly can't claim to be a metallurgical expert, but I did make amazingly high grades in "Materials", and I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. The reason we normalize 4130 after heating it up to the melting point (as in after cutting it with a torch, or even with a laser) is to return it to the state where it's NOT brittle. The normalizing process is not so much a heating process as it is a controlled COOLing process, where the metal's structure is allowed to take its dear sweet time cooling to the "normalized" state (condition N). If 4130 is heated and then rapidly cooled, it will either crack right then, or be far more prone to cracking later. If you weld 4130 in a drafty area during winter, you will get to watch your welds crack right before your eyes! WAFs are one of those things that you'd rather not have to crack and fail immediately, but rather slowly deform and therefore with plenty of warning. It's true that quenching 4130 would result in a stronger material, but it would be so brittle as to fail immediately, rather than gradually. Much better to notice that your wings are askew after some turbulence, than to have the NHTSA wondering why your wings were found in one place, and your fuselage in another. Dr. Dean did a lot of research on the process that 4130 should undergo before it becomes your KR's WAFs. His research was corroborated by the EAA's Ben Owen, as I recall. It doesn't hurt my feelings one bit when somebody makes their own WAFs. Some people have more time than money, and others have more money than time. I personally could not imagine building a full set of 32 WAFs in one day using ordinary shop equipment. I dare say that you could turn me loose in the most well-equipped shop in the world, and there's no way I could build 32 WAFs in 24 hours, irregardless of the quality! It is absolutely true that if you buy it normalized, and do regular shop operations on it without introducing lots of heat, you'll not have to normalize them afterwards. But one consideration of what I would expect to happen trying to cut and grind out a set of WAFS would be nicks and grinding marks, which are the sort of stress risers that lead to cracks months or years later. And cutting one-inch holes in 4130 is beyond the ability of my drill press, I'd wager. Whoops, it looks like I'm taking sides again. But really, I feel like warning folks that making your own WAFs is a real ordeal, just like Don Reid warns people that making canopies isn't a picnic either. But by all means, don't just take my word for it, try it and prove it to yourself. Making your own WAFs is like a lot of things in life. It's entirely your choice as to which road you want to take. Assailing somebody else's decision is not likely to win any friends, or influence any people... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 06:53:43 -0600 To: "Mark Langford" , "KRnet" From: "Gary Sprunger" Subject: Re: KR> WAF's Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E838.1C7C3800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cudos, Mark. Excellently stated. Let's all agree that this is the final w= ord on WAF's and move on to other subjects. =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:42 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> WAF's NetHeads, Once Virg said "Support R R and get the WAF's from Rand", I had really ho= ped to just crawl into my cozy foxhole and stay there for some time and take = a little respite from the rigors of KRnet. But maybe I can contribute a little to this 4130 discussion. Rich asked: "Can any of you metallurgical experts explain how any kind of cutting or machining process can make 4130 weaker than the normalized condition used= in the KR plans. I always understood anything you did to it made it stronge= r." I certainly can't claim to be a metallurgical expert, but I did make amazingly high grades in "Materials", and I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. The reason we normalize 4130 after heating it up to the melting point (as= in after cutting it with a torch, or even with a laser) is to return it to t= he state where it's NOT brittle. The normalizing process is not so much a heating process as it is a controlled COOLing process, where the metal's structure is allowed to take its dear sweet time cooling to the "normaliz= ed" state (condition N). If 4130 is heated and then rapidly cooled, it will either crack right then, or be far more prone to cracking later. If you weld 4130 in a drafty area during winter, you will get to watch your weld= s crack right before your eyes! WAFs are one of those things that you'd rather not have to crack and fail immediately, but rather slowly deform and therefore with plenty of warnin= g. It's true that quenching 4130 would result in a stronger material, but it would be so brittle as to fail immediately, rather than gradually. Much better to notice that your wings are askew after some turbulence, than to have the NHTSA wondering why your wings were found in one place, and your fuselage in another. Dr. Dean did a lot of research on the process that 4130 should undergo before it becomes your KR's WAFs. His research was corroborated by the EAA's Ben Owen, as I recall. It doesn't hurt my feelings one bit when somebody makes their own WAFs. Some people have more time than money, and others have more money than ti= me. I personally could not imagine building a full set of 32 WAFs in one day using ordinary shop equipment. I dare say that you could turn me loose i= n the most well-equipped shop in the world, and there's no way I could buil= d 32 WAFs in 24 hours, irregardless of the quality! It is absolutely true that if you buy it normalized, and do regular shop operations on it without introducing lots of heat, you'll not have to normalize them afterwards. But one consideration of what I would expect = to happen trying to cut and grind out a set of WAFS would be nicks and grinding marks, which are the sort of stress risers that lead to cracks months or years later. And cutting one-inch holes in 4130 is beyond the ability of my drill press, I'd wager. Whoops, it looks like I'm taking sides again. But really, I feel like warning folks that making your own WAFs is a real ordeal, just like Don Reid warns people that making canopies isn't a picn= ic either. But by all means, don't just take my word for it, try it and pro= ve it to yourself. Making your own WAFs is like a lot of things in life. It's entirely you= r choice as to which road you want to take. Assailing somebody else's decision is not likely to win any friends, or influence any people... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E838.1C7C3800-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:56:27 -0700 To: "KRnet" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: WAF's Message-Id: <200204201456.AA555417858@jrl-engineering.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ron Eason" Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:48:08 -0700 OK! This is the way I did mine. Here's how you can fabricate 32 brackets in 8 to 10 hrs. Equipment needed: Belt sander Stone Grinder [optional] Drill Press with Vise Various sizes of drills [sharp] Metal band saw. [ I have a Horz. tilt band saw] and access to a high speed fraction band saw. Order material in random lenghts cut to [width] or lenght of brackets. Pair up the stock and cut in pairs if you have a Horz. band saw. Note: If you order it in bracket width wise, less cutting time is needed because you cut the lenght accross the width [ in pairs].You may have to finish belt sand to final dimensions depending on the stock and band saw cut quality. [ They can be slighly larger and still work.] 1. Cut brackets by lenght wise or width wise, band saw 32 brackets. [fabricate in pair, sandwiches] 2. Center punch one large pair and one small pair. 3. Pair up the brackets to drill a pair at a time. 3. Place in drill press vise and drill 1/8" holes at all locations on each pair of brackets. Progressivly drill larger holes in brackets, stop short of the final drill size [use plenty of oil to keep drill bit cool]. You now have a pair of brackets of each size. 4.Use these brackets as patterns to drill the next pair of brackets and so on, until 16 pairs of brackets are drilled to one size smaller the final sizes. 5. Drill final size holes in bracket pairs, check with actual bolts used. 6. Grind 1/2 round edges if you want [ not necessary] Finish sand brackets on belt sander. Coat with urathane you are done. The brackets have not got any hotter than you can hold. I bent my brackets after bolt up, on the spars using a "C" Clamp and metal spacer the width of the spars between the brackets, with a good pair of visegrips. There you have it. Keep it simple, but not all the time, complcation if ok to, just takes more time. -- KRRon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mark Langford" Reply-To: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:40:18 -0500 >NetHeads, > >Once Virg said "Support R R and get the WAF's from Rand", I had really hoped >to just crawl into my cozy foxhole and stay there for some time and take a >little respite from the rigors of KRnet. > >But maybe I can contribute a little to this 4130 discussion. Rich asked: > > "Can any of you metallurgical experts explain how any kind of cutting or >machining process can make 4130 weaker than the normalized condition used in >the KR plans. I always understood anything you did to it made it stronger." > >I certainly can't claim to be a metallurgical expert, but I did make >amazingly high grades in "Materials", and I DID stay at a Holiday Inn >Express last night. > >The reason we normalize 4130 after heating it up to the melting point (as in >after cutting it with a torch, or even with a laser) is to return it to the >state where it's NOT brittle. The normalizing process is not so much a >heating process as it is a controlled COOLing process, where the metal's >structure is allowed to take its dear sweet time cooling to the "normalized" >state (condition N). If 4130 is heated and then rapidly cooled, it will >either crack right then, or be far more prone to cracking later. If you >weld 4130 in a drafty area during winter, you will get to watch your welds >crack right before your eyes! > >WAFs are one of those things that you'd rather not have to crack and fail >immediately, but rather slowly deform and therefore with plenty of warning. >It's true that quenching 4130 would result in a stronger material, but it >would be so brittle as to fail immediately, rather than gradually. Much >better to notice that your wings are askew after some turbulence, than to >have the NHTSA wondering why your wings were found in one place, and your >fuselage in another. > >Dr. Dean did a lot of research on the process that 4130 should undergo >before it becomes your KR's WAFs. His research was corroborated by the >EAA's Ben Owen, as I recall. > > > >It doesn't hurt my feelings one bit when somebody makes their own WAFs. >Some people have more time than money, and others have more money than time. >I personally could not imagine building a full set of 32 WAFs in one day >using ordinary shop equipment. I dare say that you could turn me loose in >the most well-equipped shop in the world, and there's no way I could build >32 WAFs in 24 hours, irregardless of the quality! > >It is absolutely true that if you buy it normalized, and do regular shop >operations on it without introducing lots of heat, you'll not have to >normalize them afterwards. But one consideration of what I would expect to >happen trying to cut and grind out a set of WAFS would be nicks and >grinding marks, which are the sort of stress risers that lead to cracks >months or years later. And cutting one-inch holes in 4130 is beyond the >ability of my drill press, I'd wager. Whoops, it looks like I'm taking >sides again. > > >But really, I feel like warning folks that making your own WAFs is a real >ordeal, just like Don Reid warns people that making canopies isn't a picnic >either. But by all means, don't just take my word for it, try it and prove >it to yourself. > >Making your own WAFs is like a lot of things in life. It's entirely your >choice as to which road you want to take. Assailing somebody else's >decision is not likely to win any friends, or influence any people... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:15:35 -0400 From: "ROBERT COOPER" Cc: "krnet" Subject: Re: KR> Re: corvaircraft: video Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E7CE.33927500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That reminds me. Michael Bieber, a WW Vidio is on the way to you via USPS= . Ed Blocher Wish I coukd get a message like this. =20 Jack Cooper > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DCorvAIRCRAFT=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Vairs; I received the W.W. tape from Ron Whittington, today. I just > finished viewing it and have to say that it really impressed me. The > contribution of Pat Panzera is outstanding and the effort and enthusias= m > of William, under such difficult conditions, must be commended. Congrat= s > to both of you for a job well done. > > Murray Green > RW-20 > Rosetown Sask P.S.- I'll have it in the mail by monday to > Peter Johnson Kenora Ont. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DCorvAIRCRAFT=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe corvaircraft" to"majordomo@usm.ed= u" > For help send "info corvaircraft" or "help" to "majordomo@usm.edu" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E7CE.33927500-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:56:32 -0700 To: "Dana Overall" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> WAF's-respect?? Message-ID: Dana, I know it is Friday, but this is a little rough. Respect thyself. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:43:36 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "rfarmer" Subject: parts for sale Message-ID: <002701c1e7f3$affc47e0$f54562d8@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C1E7D2.1D639B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KR2 retractable landing gear for sale. 2 sets of wheel mounts the stock = cast alum. & a welded set approx. 2.5 in. taller with mec. brake handle = & cables. Less than mat cost. Ready to bolt on. Bob Farmer=20 Located in VA 276 744 7115 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C1E7D2.1D639B20-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:21:55 -0500 To: From: "M&C" Subject: Corvair engines Message-ID: <000901c1e7f9$187e7c20$54ae4ad1@matandcat> Does anyone know how many hours one can expect to get out of the corvair engine TBO time? Mike Turner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:01:54 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Respect, enough about WAF:-) Message-ID: Daniel, I won't post the 17 (to date) personnal e-mails that support my post. If you build an airplane, you are a builder, it's that simple in my book and you've got my respect. Man, this is WAY off KR stuff. Sorry, gang. I think I'm going to blow a gasket:-) Don'd worry, I'm not pis$ed just stating what appears to be a majority opinion. I've got to listen to Mark more often and wear my teflon suit. RESPECT............someone find Melody Mountions (KR groupee) and you've earned my respect........but then again, she might be fabricated!! Where's that Amber Bock? Keep on building. Is this less harsh:-)?? Dana Overall............aka/The Assembler (since I'm not fabricating a darn thing:-) Or I guess you could leave the "embler" out, suits me sometimes. Richmond, Ky 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com >From: "Daniel Heath" >To: "Dana Overall" , >Subject: RE: KR> WAF's-respect?? >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:56:32 -0700 > >Dana, > >I know it is Friday, but this is a little rough. Respect thyself. > > >Daniel R. Heath > >WWW.EAA242.ORG > >See our KR2 at: > >www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:19:14 -0400 To: From: Subject: KR2S Wanted Message-ID: <001901c1e87e$bbd7f420$d73dd6d1@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1E85D.34400D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for a KR2S project to finish - if up to boat stage - great, but = anyone interested in selling their KR2 - Email me. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1E85D.34400D20-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:49:40 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Glass cockpits Message-ID: Since it's not Friday and I can't endorse anything I build/assemble, here's some things I found at SNF that are well proven in flying airplanes and if incorporated within your plans, could save you some money and make for a wonderful panel. First off, the Anywhere Map which uses an IPAC pocket PC as it's brains. This is a moving map display which you put NEXRAD weather on. It has the full AOPA airport data base along with a myriad of features for getting from point A to point B. This screen is full color and readable in bright sunshine. www.controlvision.com The coolest of all: The Efis Lite. This is a small panel mount artificial horizon (gyro), airspeed indicator for indicated, and true, altimeter, trend display for airspeed and altitude, VSI, Turn coordinator, mag heading and altitude encoder. Look at what you get for $2880 plus $760 for the mag heading. You can't possibly buy all those instruments for that price. If you really want to go with the big boys go with Efia/One. In essence this is fully functional flight director. www.bluemountainavionics.com Nav software. Again works off a laptop or IPAC. www.rmstek.com Another really cool glass do all. This system uses the IPAC as it's brains. You can use the IPAC as the screen or buy the larger screen that displays bus voltage, turn coordinator, active waypoint GPS altitude, bearing, track, track erro, distance, groundspeed, CDI, slip skid, Artificial horizon and stabilized heading, DG, HSI The gyro in this unit are 6 solid-state sensors, three accelerometers and three rate sensors. No rotating parts. This thing is way cool also. Prices start at $1695.00. Again look at what your analog instruments are going to cost you, and look at glass. Anywhere map is also compatable to this system so you can have all your attitude/course/altitude shown on one side of the screen and a moving map on the right side. www.icarusinstruments.com These things have come a long way and the companies listed above have proven their designs in flying aircraft. Upgrades are constantly being provided. Have fun, Dana Overall aka Assembler Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:58:53 -0500 To: "KR Net Mail" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: Carfax Reports Message-ID: <002f01c1e87b$e425f9c0$21dc6843@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1E851.FA8FAF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know it's not Friday but I can't waste time on this. I signed up = for a month of "Carfax" to check out some cars before I bought one for = my son-in-law. I found a pickup that was just great and I still have = until the 6th of May to look up more cars or trucks. This program uses = the VIN number to trace the history of the car or truck and let's you = know of any major damage or flood damage or if the spedo was turned = back. Anyone looking for a car, send me the VIN number and make and model = and I will check it out for you, no charge, until the 6th of May. Pat Driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1E851.FA8FAF00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:12:55 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Allan D Olcott" Subject: vw engine case Message-ID: If your doing the vw engine for your kr. check this Claude buggies or CB performance is putting together reinforced case halves and a fix for no. 3, their is article on their web site if your interested. www.cbperformance.com/May2002.asp _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:32:01 -0500 To: From: "Dean Collette" Subject: TET WAFs Message-ID: <03a201c1e8a2$0b22a390$6270d118@DSKTOP> ------=_NextPart_000_039F_01C1E878.22312450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent the following to KRNet last night (when it was still Friday,) but = for some reason it bounced back to me as undeliverable - still can't = quite figure out why. First off, I want to say thanks for all the supportive email that I have = seen personally and on KRNet for the WAF sets that we have offered. I am = sorry to say that the last set has been sold. For those of you that might be interested in a set of our Wing Attach = Fittings, we may be doing another production run later this summer. = Since TET is a small company and our mission is more to help builders = out rather then generate profit, we will need to have a few guys in line = to buy them before we make the production run. I'm not asking for names = now, I'm just giving you something to think about if you might be in the = market for a set. If time is critical for you, sorry, we're not going to = be able to help. Thanks again for all of the support. Dean Collette Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC mailto:dcollette@wi.rr.com See us at: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tet/ ------=_NextPart_000_039F_01C1E878.22312450-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:40:52 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Helpful Hints Message-ID: <20020421214052.97033.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Here are a couple of ideas I saw on American Woodworker's website that some of you might like. Just click on the web address for complete plans for building these. Shop-vac Muffler box: http://www.americanwoodworker.com/200004/tools_and_materials/shop_solutions.html Collapsible worktable: http://www.americanwoodworker.com/199912/tools_and_materials/shop_solutions.html The first is a muffler box to put your shop vac in. It could be adapted to easily filter the out-going air to keep your shop more dust-free, but it will keep the noise down. The second is a real nice work bench that has easily adjustable legs - nice idea! Also saw (can't remember where) a great idea for a sanding box. It is basically a box about 36 inches cubed with a smaller box inside and a grille on top. The smaller inside box has a fan on one side and replaceable furnace filters on the top and other three sides. Turn the fan on, lay your sanding on top of the grill and sand away. The sanding dust is drawn down into the larger box and into the filters. Just replace the filters when they get full. Real nice idea. Side view: Grill openings ___]]]]]____ these | _filter_| sides | | | closed | :<-filter Open side here | : ) | : (### <-Fan |__:______(_ Top view: __________________ | __filter.....__| | | | f | i ======= | l ======= ) | t (==FAN==== This side open | e ======= ( | r ======= | |__filter....._ |_________________| Sorry, that's the best I can do here. Hope it helps. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:38:18 -0700 To: "krnet" From: "Darren Pond" Subject: Tool boxes Message-ID: <002801c1e9af$249cf7e0$5f047218@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1E974.77FAFC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI All What are the experienced buildiers using for a tool box. What the trick. = I need a tool box that works at the house (building site) fits in a car = and still easy to use at the airport and the family cottage. Right now = I have use a large tool box that ends up as a catch all and a laundry = basket I stole from the wife. Has to be a better way. Darren ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1E974.77FAFC60-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************