From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 5 May 2002 07:59:32 -0000 Issue 420 Date: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:59 AM krnet Digest 5 May 2002 07:59:32 -0000 Issue 420 Topics (messages 9876 through 9905): Virus? Re: A IE 6.0 patch 9876 by: Frank Ross 9880 by: gleone Re: Plywood wich one? 9877 by: Donald Reid 9878 by: Daniel Heath 9882 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 9889 by: joaquim Guess what day it is:-) 9879 by: Dana Overall Klez Worm Virus 9881 by: Frank Ross 9883 by: Dana Overall Propeller size 9884 by: michael beck Symantec and Klez Virus Worm 9885 by: Frank Ross plywood 9886 by: jim . synergy design Instrument Panel 9887 by: Tim Brown 9888 by: Mark Jones 9890 by: Daniel Heath 9891 by: John and Janet Martindale 9895 by: Jerry . charter.net Thanks re instrument panel 9892 by: Tim Brown fuel tank vents 9893 by: RICK WILSON 9896 by: Mark Jones 9897 by: RICK WILSON 9898 by: Mark Jones 9899 by: Daniel Heath 9900 by: RICK WILSON 9901 by: Mark Jones insturment panel 9894 by: jim . synergy design 53 inch, 4000rpm prop 9902 by: michael beck 9905 by: bob.cringely.com WHY COUNTERWEIGHT ELEVATER? 9903 by: David Hartz 9904 by: Mark Jones Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:50:28 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Virus? Re: A IE 6.0 patch Message-ID: <20020503045028.35077.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Larry Capps answered an e-mail that looks like it came from me, but I didn't send it. See below. Don't know what's going on, but, since we're both on krnet, I'm worried that other e-mails may be going out from what looks like my yahoo e-mail account. Does anyone know what a IE 6.0 patch is? Can anyone tell me how this can happen? I thought my yahoo mail went through Norton anti-virus and I have McAfee Virus shield on my computer, so I wasn't too worried. Now I am. What can I do? By the way I don't speak like "I wish you would like it." so if you get stuff from me that sounds like someone who doesn't speak english or Texan, delete it. Thanks Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX --- "Larry A. Capps" wrote: > Dumb ass > > -----Original Message----- > From: kae_ar [mailto:kae_ar@yahoo.com] > > > This is a IE 6.0 patch > I wish you would like it. > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:12:23 -0500 To: Frank Ross From: gleone CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Virus? Re: A IE 6.0 patch Message-ID: <3CD27EA7.796D264E@tritel.net> Use Netscape. It seems the virus pushers use IE Outlook Express for most of their activities. To date, my ISP (using Postini.com, something the KR-Net might want to check into) has caught all virus attacks on my system through my regular mail, and Norton has caught all my other attacks through my hotmail account. Just 2 cents worth. Gene Frank Ross wrote: > Larry Capps answered an e-mail that looks like it came > from me, but I didn't send it. > See below. > Don't know what's going on, but, since we're both on > krnet, I'm worried that other e-mails may be going out > from what looks like my yahoo e-mail account. > Does anyone know what a IE 6.0 patch is? > Can anyone tell me how this can happen? > I thought my yahoo mail went through Norton anti-virus > and I have McAfee Virus shield on my computer, so I > wasn't too worried. > Now I am. > What can I do? > By the way I don't speak like "I wish you would like > it." so if you get stuff from me that sounds like > someone who doesn't speak english or Texan, delete it. > Thanks > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX > --- "Larry A. Capps" wrote: > > Dumb ass > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kae_ar [mailto:kae_ar@yahoo.com] > > > > > > This is a IE 6.0 patch > > I wish you would like it. > > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 05:58:32 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Plywood wich one? Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020503053846.00a32c40@pop.erols.com> --=====================_2449164==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:31 PM 5/2/2002 -0400, virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > 90 Degrees & 45 degrees. Just ask for the KR >Plywood kit, Virg > >On Tue, 2 May 2006 23:17:11 -0300 "joaquim" writes: > > Could someone please tell me which kind of Plywood is the best for > > my Side Skin? > > Is the plywood sold by Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. suitable? > > In their catalog we have: > > 90o. and 45o. Mahogany > > 90o. and 45o. Birch > > Basswood MIL-P-6070 > > Finnish Birch In addition to Virg's brief and pointless message: the degree notation refers to the orientation of the outside plys. In 45 degree plywood, the face grain runs at 45 degrees to the long axis of the plywood. It is used to cover wings. It is very expensive and you do not need it on a KR. Mahogany is generally used on the KR sides. It will be slightly lighter than either of the birch types. The Finnish birch comes in smaller sheets but is significantly cheaper than mil-spec birch. It can not be legally used in a certificated airplane but it is the birch of choice for most homebuilders. The birch is heavier and stronger than mahogany and is used in areas of high stress. Basswood could be used on the sides if you want. Since the original questioner lives outside of the US, I would suggest that he look for local sources of wood that have comparable properties. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_2449164==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 06:21:02 -0700 To: , From: "Daniel Heath" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Plywood wich one? Message-ID: Virg, We all really appreciate your saving the bandwidth. Don, be nice to Virg, it is Friday after all. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.kr-builder.org -----Original Message----- From: virgnvs@juno.com [mailto:virgnvs@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:32 PM To: joca@softhome.net Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Plywood wich one? 90 Degrees & 45 degrees. Just ask for the KR Plywood kit, Virg On Tue, 2 May 2006 23:17:11 -0300 "joaquim" writes: > > Hi there, > > > > Could someone please tell me which kind of Plywood is the best for > my Side Skin? > > Is the plywood sold by Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. suitable? > > In their catalog we have: > > 90o. and 45o. Mahogany > > 90o. and 45o. Birch > > Basswood MIL-P-6070 > > Finnish Birch > > > > What 90o. and 45o. means? > > > > Thanks, > > Best regards. > > Joaquim Belchior > > Brazil > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:13:31 -0400 To: "KRNET" , "Donald Reid" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Plywood wich one? Message-ID: You said; In addition to Virg's brief and pointless message: Those one-liners are starting to annoy me too. I think some meaningful content would be appropriate. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 01:46:39 -0300 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "joaquim" Subject: Re: KR> Plywood wich one? Message-ID: <00bc01c66f35$bc418c40$f8b6c0c8@joaquim> Hi Don, I do appreciate your information. I know it can be unbelievable but here, in Brazil we don't have Plywood that reaches aeronautical standards. We have only one supplier but his ply was rejected in a assay we have done. Best Regards. Joaquim Belchior ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Reid To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:58 AM Subject: Re: KR> Plywood wich one? > At 10:31 PM 5/2/2002 -0400, virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > > 90 Degrees & 45 degrees. Just ask for the KR > >Plywood kit, Virg > > > >On Tue, 2 May 2006 23:17:11 -0300 "joaquim" writes: > > > Could someone please tell me which kind of Plywood is the best for > > > my Side Skin? > > > Is the plywood sold by Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. suitable? > > > In their catalog we have: > > > 90o. and 45o. Mahogany > > > 90o. and 45o. Birch > > > Basswood MIL-P-6070 > > > Finnish Birch > > In addition to Virg's brief and pointless message: > the degree notation refers to the orientation of the outside plys. In 45 > degree plywood, the face grain runs at 45 degrees to the long axis of the > plywood. It is used to cover wings. It is very expensive and you do not > need it on a KR. > > Mahogany is generally used on the KR sides. It will be slightly lighter > than either of the birch types. The Finnish birch comes in smaller sheets > but is significantly cheaper than mil-spec birch. It can not be legally > used in a certificated airplane but it is the birch of choice for most > homebuilders. > > The birch is heavier and stronger than mahogany and is used in areas of > high stress. Basswood could be used on the sides if you want. > > Since the original questioner lives outside of the US, I would suggest that > he look for local sources of wood that have comparable properties. > > > > Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com > Bumpass, Va > > Visit my web sites at: > KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm > EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org > Ultralights: http://usua250.org > VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:03:39 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Guess what day it is:-) Message-ID: Well, I have finished my emp. so you guys will get a break until my wings come in........... Couple pics that you can relate to KRs This one shows the elevator counterbalance weight. By moving the weight 27mm forward and rotating the weight side to side instead of for/aft, they were able to reduce the weight on each elevator by 1.25 lbs. per side. 2.5 lbs. off the tail is big time weight at that moment. If you want to balance your elevator, just be sure that the counterbalance rib you use (OH, no you will be deviating from the plans:-) is strong enough to support you weight (ie., carbon fiber on top) http://rvflying.tripod.com/ff1.jpg This one show how you can round the front of your elevator to alliviate that plans built tip up (read my lips, huge gap on the bottom) elevator and get a really nice elevator HS gap by using the Dr. Dean rod end bearing brackets. Mine using the same method. Note trim tab. http://rvflying.tripod.com/ff2.jpg Just for the fun of it. This shows the bearing sandwith in the middle. In KR, use the Dr. Dean rod end bearing in the middle. A couple of bushings go between the bolt and bearing. The elevator push rod attaches to the powder coated (TET WAFs, sorry couldn't resist:-) horns at the bottom. The bearing is just for support. Remember all the sub assemblies I have build are built on the table top (everything is pre punched) and put together later. No parts are used as a guide for the others. Build the parts, and when all is said and done, they fit together like a glove. I'm having fun!! http://rvflying.tripod.com/ff3.jpg Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 06:21:02 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Klez Worm Virus Message-ID: <20020503132102.31993.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Last night when I got home from work at midnight I had a strange note from Larry Capps. Turns out I have been a victim of the Klez Worm. It uses my e-mail address to send BOGUS messages to others and may also infect their computers and/or do the same thing with their e-mail address. Evidently, it doesn't need an attachment to do this. I have gotten a few blank e-mails lately. It gets these addresses from newsletters. Since Larry and I are both on krnet, that makes it look like the hackers may have targeted krnet. Your computer doesn't have to be infected for it to send out messages with your e-mail address. Also, the worm can change your security system (Norton and McAfee, which I have, among others) so that it will not recognize Klez. Lovely. The worst part, for me, is that someone is now sending messages that look like they come from "kae_ar@yahoo.com" I've been trying to follow good security procedures and it hasn't worked. I'm going to quit using "kae_ar@yahoo.com" and get a new e-mail address. Not that that will help. I copied the following from the Symantec Security website: W32.Klez.gen@mm is a mass-mailing worm that searches the Windows address book for email addresses and sends messages to all recipients that it finds. The worm uses its own SMTP engine to send the messages. The subject and attachment name of incoming emails is randomly chosen. The attachment will have one of the following extensions: .bat, .exe, .pif or .scr. The worm exploits a vulnerability in Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express in an attempt to execute itself when you open or even preview the message. Information and a patch for the vulnerability can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp. W32.Klez.gen@mm attempts to copy itself to all network shared drives that it finds. Depending on which variant of the worm, the worm will drop one of the following viruses: W32.Elkern.3326 W32.Elkern.3587 W32.Elkern.4926 which will then infect the system. Email spoofing Some variants of this worm use a technique known as "spoofing." If it does this, it chooses at random an address that it finds on an infected computer as the "From:" address that it uses when it performs its mass-mailing routine. Numerous cases have been reported in which users of uninfected computers receive complaints that they have sent an infected message to someone else. For example, Linda Anderson is using a computer that is infected with W32.Klez.E@mm; Linda is not using a antivirus program or does not have current virus definitions. When W32.Klez.gen@mm performs its emailing routine, it finds the email address of Harold Logan. It inserts Harold's email address into the "From:" line of an infected email that it then sends to Janet Bishop. Janet then contacts Harold and complains that he sent her infected email, but when Harold scans his computer, Norton AntiVirus does not find anything--as would be expected--because his computer is not infected. If you are using a current version of Norton AntiVirus, have the most recent virus definitions, and a full system scan with Norton AntiVirus set to scan all files does not find anything, you can be confident that your computer is not infected with this worm ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 10:38:42 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Klez Worm Virus Message-ID: Gang, Hotmail uses Macafee to scan all of your incoming emails. By using Hotmail, you don't have to update virus softwares and be scanning, it does it for you. Plus, it's free. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 08:36:30 -0700 (PDT) To: 'KRnet' From: michael beck Subject: KR> Propeller size Message-ID: <20020503153630.5323.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Did anyone take note on the Gary Hertzler designed Prop on Charlie Airsman's VariEze in March Sport Aviation P54-60? Turning 4000 RPM and quiet and powerful. Where can we get one for the KR? Mike Beck Sedro Woolley, WA --- "Larry A. Capps" wrote: > Well let's try this again, but this time with the > correct numbers and > decipherable! > > VW PROPELLERS > PITCH – VS - SPEED > > TYPE 1 2180cc > 54” dia x 44” pitch > > ENGINE RPM (Speed MPH) > 3000..........(cruise)125 > 3100..................129 > 3200..................133 > 3300..................136 > 3400..................142 > 3500..................146 > 3600 (take-off/max)...150 > ----------------------- >> 3500..................166 > 3600 (take-off/max)...170 > ----------------------- >> Formula: RPM x PITCH x .000947 = estimated speed > (MPH) > > > > Regards > > Larry A. Capps > Naperville, IL > > > > > -----Original Message----- > VW PROPELLERS > > PITCH – VS - SPEED > > ENGINE RPM > > TYPE 1 2180cc54” dia x 44” pitch(Speed MPH) > TYPE 4 2459cc54” dia x 50” pitch(Speed MPH) > TYPE 4 2459cc54” dia x 52” pitch(Speed MPH) > TYPE 4 2600cc54” dia x 54” pitch(Speed MPH) > > > > > Formula: RPM x PITCH x .000947 = estimated speed > (MPH) > > > Larry A. Capps > Naperville, IL >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:51:07 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Symantec and Klez Virus Worm Message-ID: <20020503175107.9113.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to the help of Larry Capps, I have gotten started on resolving this klez problem. I ran the program from Symantec this morning and it said my computer was NOT infected with the klez worm. That means someone is using my kae_ar address in a "spoofing" variation of the worm. They can send e-mails that look like they came from me. That means I will change e-mail addresses. Delete anything that comes from kae_ar@yahoo.com after this (except the un-subscribe I still have to send to krnet) That was a hard address to use anyway because of the underline, so it's not all bad... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:13:07 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: plywood Message-ID: <002501c1f2ef$b535ec00$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C1F2B5.07908A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used mahogany ply on fuselage and birch for spars per plans.. Note = grain direction (vertical) on spar . If you order birch and have it cut = in half to save shipping as I did, They have to cut ACROSS the grain.(to = get the spar faces with only 1 scarf) AS&S ought to have this memorized = after all the times I had to explain that. Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C1F2B5.07908A40-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:04:05 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: Instrument Panel Message-ID: <20020504040405.85148.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> To all: Is there "rocket science" involved in locating the instrument panel or is it merely placed at a "comfortable" location based on the size of the builder?(ie I am 6'3") I notice that Mark L has his at the "D" truss location and it appears from web site photos that Mark Jones has his about 2 to 3 inches farther forward of this. I am using RR prefab canopy frame and top deck parts if that makes any difference to the responses. Thanks much, Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 23:28:46 -0500 To: "Tim Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Instrument Panel Message-ID: <003001c1f324$2ea93d60$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Tim, There is no real rocket science to the location of the panel. Mine was located 2 inches in front of D only because this was the most comfortable reach for me when I sat in the seat. To each his own on the location. I also moved mine as far as possible forward to allow for ease of entry into the cockpit. By this, I mean leg room when entering and exiting. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: KR> Instrument Panel > To all: > > Is there "rocket science" involved in locating > the instrument panel or is it merely placed at a > "comfortable" location based on the size of the > builder?(ie I am 6'3") > > I notice that Mark L has his at the "D" truss > location and it appears from web site photos that > Mark Jones has his about 2 to 3 inches farther > forward of this. > > I am using RR prefab canopy frame and top deck > parts if that makes any difference to the > responses. > > Thanks much, > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 05:29:26 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Instrument Panel Message-ID: If you have the forward deck, the beginnings of the instrument panel are built into the deck, you can use that or cut it out. On the Little beast, I used it and glassed a good piece of 1/8" plywood on the back of it. On the WannaBee, we have cut it out because we are screwing a removable panel on the front of it. It really is a matter of personal preference. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org -----Original Message----- From: Tim Brown [mailto:timwbrown@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:04 PM To: Group KR NET Subject: KR> Instrument Panel To all: Is there "rocket science" involved in locating the instrument panel or is it merely placed at a "comfortable" location based on the size of the builder?(ie I am 6'3") I notice that Mark L has his at the "D" truss location and it appears from web site photos that Mark Jones has his about 2 to 3 inches farther forward of this. I am using RR prefab canopy frame and top deck parts if that makes any difference to the responses. Thanks much, Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:14:15 +1000 To: "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Re: KR> Instrument Panel Message-ID: <003d01c1f354$96f007c0$c8de12d2@m1g0x7> Hi Tim I'm not sure exactly where you are up to but I would leave the panel location and shape until after you have the upper lines from front deck to canopy to rear turtledeck all worked out and pleasant to the eye. I also used the RR canopy and found that making it fit smoothly to the eye involved a compromise in the slope of the rear turtledeck and the front deck. The slope of the latter will then determine the exact shape of your panel whilst the canopy location will assist in deciding where the panel goes (fore or aft) relative to a fuselage station. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/jmartindale/ for some pictures. Regards John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 66584767 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Brown To: Group KR NET Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: KR> Instrument Panel > To all: > > Is there "rocket science" involved in locating > the instrument panel or is it merely placed at a > "comfortable" location based on the size of the > builder?(ie I am 6'3") > > I notice that Mark L has his at the "D" truss > location and it appears from web site photos that > Mark Jones has his about 2 to 3 inches farther > forward of this. > > I am using RR prefab canopy frame and top deck > parts if that makes any difference to the > responses. > > Thanks much, > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:27:13 -0700 To: "Tim Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Jerry @ charter.net" Subject: Re: KR> Instrument Panel Message-ID: <001b01c1f3cb$9aba8430$2b1af118@oldmyrddin> Tim, Just be sure that there is room between the instrument panel and the gas tank for the longest instrument you will have.... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: KR> Instrument Panel > To all: > > Is there "rocket science" involved in locating > the instrument panel or is it merely placed at a > "comfortable" location based on the size of the > builder?(ie I am 6'3") > > I notice that Mark L has his at the "D" truss > location and it appears from web site photos that > Mark Jones has his about 2 to 3 inches farther > forward of this. > > I am using RR prefab canopy frame and top deck > parts if that makes any difference to the > responses. > > Thanks much, > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 08:30:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: Thanks re instrument panel Message-ID: <20020504153023.94062.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the replies re instrument panel location. I kind of figured that it was to some degree personal preference coupled with forward deck and canopy and massaging everything together. Just wanted some confirmation from those who have been there before. Thanks again Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 12:06:58 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: RICK WILSON Subject: fuel tank vents Message-ID: <20020504190658.4072.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> HI, I WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT OR IDEAS AS TO THE PROPER INSTALLATION OF A VENT LINE FOR MY MAIN FUEL TANK. IT IS NOW COMING OUT OF THE TANK AT THE TOP FRONT AND ROUTED OUT THROUGH THE FIREWALL AT THE TOP JUST UNDER FRONT DECK. WHEN IT EXITS THE FIREWALL, IT TURNS DOWN AND EXITS INTO THE AIRSTREAM AT THE BOTTOM REAR OF THE COWL. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS WILL WORK OK, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE RUN SOME OTHER WAY. IT IS HIGH ENOUGH IN THE TANK SO AS NOT TO START A SIPHON, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY WAY THE AIR AT FLYING SPEED COULD DRAW GAS THROUGH THE VENT. IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE SETUP, OR KNOWS OF ANY PROBLEM WITH IT, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTIONS. THANKS, RICK WILSON. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:55:09 -0500 To: "RICK WILSON" , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank vents Message-ID: <002801c1f3b6$5c4c8280$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Hello Rick, As a courtesy to others would you mind not using capital letters in your text body. In an e-mail that represents shouting plus it is very difficult to read. Thanks, Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WILSON" To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: KR> fuel tank vents > HI, I WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT OR IDEAS AS TO THE PROPER > INSTALLATION OF A VENT LINE FOR MY MAIN FUEL TANK. IT > IS NOW COMING OUT OF THE TANK AT THE TOP FRONT AND > ROUTED OUT THROUGH THE FIREWALL AT THE TOP JUST UNDER > FRONT DECK. WHEN IT EXITS THE FIREWALL, IT TURNS DOWN > AND EXITS INTO THE AIRSTREAM AT THE BOTTOM REAR OF THE > COWL. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS WILL WORK OK, OR DOES > IT NEED TO BE RUN SOME OTHER WAY. IT IS HIGH ENOUGH IN > THE TANK SO AS NOT TO START A SIPHON, I WAS JUST > WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY WAY THE AIR AT FLYING SPEED > COULD DRAW GAS THROUGH THE VENT. IF ANYONE HAS > EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE SETUP, OR KNOWS OF ANY > PROBLEM WITH IT, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTIONS. > THANKS, RICK WILSON. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:20:57 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: RICK WILSON Subject: fuel tank vents Message-ID: <20020504222057.31480.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> i'm sorry. this must be some sort of email etiquette that i wasn't aware of. i merely wanted to ask a question about airplane construction. instead of any kind of answer i guess what i got was a lesson in computer english. sure didn't mean to make anything hard for anyone to read. i guess i misjudged what the krnet was for. my apologies, note.....no capital letters. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:50:49 -0500 To: "RICK WILSON" , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank vents Message-ID: <003701c1f3be$28819000$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Rick, Trust me, I was not getting on your case but simply trying to help with the capital letter thing. I would love to give you advice on the vent but that is an area I have not tackled yet and I am waiting on replys to this question also. Believe me, they will come. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WILSON" To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: KR> fuel tank vents > i'm sorry. this must be some sort of email etiquette > that i wasn't aware of. i merely wanted to ask a > question about airplane construction. instead of any > kind of answer i guess what i got was a lesson in > computer english. sure didn't mean to make anything > hard for anyone to read. i guess i misjudged what the > krnet was for. my apologies, note.....no capital letters. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:06:36 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> fuel tank vents Message-ID: Rick, On my first KR, the Little Beast, I did exactly that. The vent went thru the firewall via a fitting. I them used a flared aluminum tube to run down the firewall until it entered the air stream and then bent it forward into the air stream. This put positive pressure on the tank and it never gave me a problem. I have done exactly the same thing on this KR. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org -----Original Message----- From: RICK WILSON [mailto:rwdw2002@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:07 PM To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG Subject: KR> fuel tank vents HI, I WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT OR IDEAS AS TO THE PROPER INSTALLATION OF A VENT LINE FOR MY MAIN FUEL TANK. IT IS NOW COMING OUT OF THE TANK AT THE TOP FRONT AND ROUTED OUT THROUGH THE FIREWALL AT THE TOP JUST UNDER FRONT DECK. WHEN IT EXITS THE FIREWALL, IT TURNS DOWN AND EXITS INTO THE AIRSTREAM AT THE BOTTOM REAR OF THE COWL. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS WILL WORK OK, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE RUN SOME OTHER WAY. IT IS HIGH ENOUGH IN THE TANK SO AS NOT TO START A SIPHON, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY WAY THE AIR AT FLYING SPEED COULD DRAW GAS THROUGH THE VENT. IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE SETUP, OR KNOWS OF ANY PROBLEM WITH IT, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTIONS. THANKS, RICK WILSON. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:39:58 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: RICK WILSON Subject: fuel tank vents Message-ID: <20020504233958.75943.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks for the info on the vent line. I'll leave it as it is, and it helps to know someone has already done it that way and it works. Also, I appreciate the advice on using capital letters, I really didn't know it was shouting. I keep an open mind, after all, I'm pushing 50 years old, and still learn something every day. Thanks again, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 18:52:55 -0500 To: "RICK WILSON" , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank vents Message-ID: <005401c1f3c6$d01fbe60$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Rick, Pushing 50?????????? Yea, me too...only three years to go and I will be flying my KR-2S before then!!!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WILSON" To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: KR> fuel tank vents > Hi, Thanks for the info on the vent line. I'll leave > it as it is, and it helps to know someone has already > done it that way and it works. Also, I appreciate the > advice on using capital letters, I really didn't know > it was shouting. I keep an open mind, after all, I'm > pushing 50 years old, and still learn something every > day. Thanks again, Rick Wilson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 14:31:36 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: insturment panel Message-ID: <002901c1f3b3$13256d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C1F378.6576E3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just to add to the panel thread, If youre going to have gyro's, the = panel has to be vertical, unless you get special gyros for an angled = panel.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C1F378.6576E3C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:41:12 -0700 (PDT) To: group Kr2 From: michael beck Subject: 53 inch, 4000rpm prop Message-ID: <20020505004112.34562.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> While studying March Sport Aviation, they mention a 53 inch prop turning 4000 RPM on P60. Does anyone know what the drawbacks would be, and why no one is producing one? It would seem just the thing for most auto engines (VW and possibly some others). I could get a lot more power if I could run the revs that high! Mike Beck Sedro Woolley, WA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 00:59:13 -0700 (PDT) To: kr2s2000@yahoo.com From: bob@cringely.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> 53 inch, 4000rpm prop Message-Id: <20020505005915.23015.h002.c001.wm@mail.cringely.com.criticalpath.net> Formula 1 racing props turn that fast. Their efficiency is lower, as is their static thrust, so they are only truly effective on very small, very efficient airframes like.... a KR-2. Operationally, though, you often have a problem that the propeller blades are stalled until reaching flying speed, so takeoffs are l-o-n-g and in some cases impossible. Still, it varies from prop to prop and application to application. For little planes like we are talking about they might, indeed, be a good way to go. Bob michael beck wrote > > While studying March Sport Aviation, they mention a > 53 inch prop turning 4000 RPM on P60. Does anyone know > what the drawbacks would be, and why no one is > producing one? It would seem just the thing for most > auto engines (VW and possibly some others). I could > get a lot more power if I could run the revs that > high! > Mike Beck > Sedro Woolley, WA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:39:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Jones , Tim Brown , Group KR NET From: David Hartz Subject: WHY COUNTERWEIGHT ELEVATER? Message-ID: <20020505023908.76694.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE? DOES THE ELEVATER NEED TO BE COUNTERBALANCED TO REDUCE ANY POSSIBLE FLUTTER OR ANOTHER REASON? DAVE HARTZ /KR2\ > ===== DAVID HARTZ,WILLITS,CALIF. DEWRENCHER@PRODIGY.NET __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 21:57:48 -0500 To: "David Hartz" , "Tim Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> WHY COUNTERWEIGHT ELEVATER? Message-ID: <006001c1f3e0$a40ca300$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Counterbalancing of the elevator does indeed help to reduce the possible flutter syndrome but does not guarantee against it. Other factors can also induce flutter such as poorly made hinges which do not have tight tolerances. There are many KR's out there flying around which have no counterbalance and are doing just fine. I would highly suggest if you are planning to fly fast (guessing 140 mph or above) that you should definitely install elevator counterbalance. Personally all of my control surfaces will be balanced including ailerons, elevator and rudder. I had rather be safe than sorry as flutter can destroy an airplane faster than you can kiss your ass goodbye. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hartz" To: "Mark Jones" ; "Tim Brown" ; "Group KR NET" Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: KR> WHY COUNTERWEIGHT ELEVATER? > EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE? > DOES THE ELEVATER NEED TO BE COUNTERBALANCED TO REDUCE > ANY POSSIBLE FLUTTER OR ANOTHER REASON? > DAVE HARTZ /KR2\ > > > > > ===== > DAVID HARTZ,WILLITS,CALIF. DEWRENCHER@PRODIGY.NET > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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