From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 10 May 2002 14:39:35 -0000 Issue 425 Date: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:39 AM krnet Digest 10 May 2002 14:39:35 -0000 Issue 425 Topics (messages 10022 through 10051): Re: Fiberglass/instruments 10022 by: Frank Ross 10031 by: Daniel Heath 10035 by: Jerry Mahurin Re: Prospective KR2S kit buyer 10023 by: HAshraf.aol.com 10024 by: Jerry Mahurin 10030 by: Daniel Heath Please change URL..... 10025 by: Jerry Mahurin VW engines 10026 by: Philipas Georgiou 10027 by: West-Tek 10039 by: Serge F. VIDAL fiberglass springs for gear legs 10028 by: RICK WILSON Re: looking at buying a KR2 10029 by: Glasco Re: Da Mountaintop:-) 10032 by: Glasco 10043 by: Ron Eason Oshkosh 10033 by: Jim Faughn Williams New Video 10034 by: Mark Jones motorcycle retract drawings 10036 by: Mark Langford fiberglass-resin-foam 10037 by: clappw.bellsouth.net Re: Belly board 10038 by: Aimo Paivoke My bird is a bathtub! 10040 by: Serge F. VIDAL 10041 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 10042 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) Dragonfly / KR2 canopy 10044 by: Phillip Matheson KR pics. 10045 by: Dana Overall Foam Cutter 10046 by: hommevolant.sympatico.ca 10047 by: Jerry Mahurin drain holes in the fuselage. 10048 by: Audrey and Harold Woods Foam Cutter part 2 10049 by: hommevolant.sympatico.ca foam cutter. 10050 by: Audrey and Harold Woods foam cutting 10051 by: Audrey and Harold Woods Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 06:45:46 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Fiberglass/instruments Message-ID: <20020509134546.67201.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> > Also need Dragonfly canopy. Dragonfly canopies are in high demand. You might consider the KR-2S canopy. Looks as good as a Dragonfly, and is available at a very reasonable cost new and from a reliable source. Can be used on KR-2 as easily as a Dragonfly can. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:25:52 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Fiberglass/instruments Message-ID: I agree, do not use the KR bubble. The Dragonfly costs more, but looks great and you won't have to throw most of it away as you may have to with the KR bubble. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Frank Ross [mailto:alamokr2@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:46 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Fiberglass/instruments > Also need Dragonfly canopy. Dragonfly canopies are in high demand. You might consider the KR-2S canopy. Looks as good as a Dragonfly, and is available at a very reasonable cost new and from a reliable source. Can be used on KR-2 as easily as a Dragonfly can. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:07:11 -0700 To: From: "Jerry @ charter.net" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Fiberglass/instruments Message-ID: <001901c1f7e0$8b253150$2b1af118@oldmyrddin> Dan, I think he was referring to the 'new KR2S' bubble..... which is much much better than the original KR2 bubble that we have been dealing with.... However, I'm not sure... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Fiberglass/instruments > I agree, do not use the KR bubble. The Dragonfly costs more, but looks > great and you won't have to throw most of it away as you may have to with > the KR bubble. > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Ross [mailto:alamokr2@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:46 AM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Fiberglass/instruments > > > > Also need Dragonfly canopy. > > Dragonfly canopies are in high demand. > You might consider the KR-2S canopy. > Looks as good as a Dragonfly, and is available at a > very reasonable cost new and from a reliable source. > Can be used on KR-2 as easily as a Dragonfly can. > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:13:11 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: HAshraf@aol.com CC: Shehryar.Hamid@reuters.com Subject: Fwd: Prospective KR2S kit buyer Message-ID: <48.b35abcb.2a0bec07@aol.com> --part1_48.b35abcb.2a0bec07_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_48.b35abcb.2a0bec07_alt_boundary" --part1_48.b35abcb.2a0bec07_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can some one help him out? In a message dated 5/8/02 5:11:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Shehryar.Hamid@reuters.com writes: > Hi Haris, > I got your e-mail from your website where you have detailed the > construction process of your KR. I am in the market for a homebuilt and the > KR looks to be the most interesting in terms of speed and cost. The speed > envelope is really stunning. > The only thing making me run away from the project is the wood based > construction. The only other way I am trying to convince my self on the > strength and life of the airframe is by thinking it is laminated in > fibreglass. Now, someone has told me that lamination is only done on the > wings. > Would be very grateful if you could let me know what your suggestions are > and also let me know what the kit quality is coming from Rand Robinson? > Will appreciate greatly. > > > Best Regards, > > Shehryar Hamid > Reuters Limited > P.O. Box 62422 > Riyadh 11585 > Saudi Arabia > Tel: +966-1-4641480 > Fax: +966-1-4627113 > --part1_48.b35abcb.2a0bec07_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can some one help him out?

In a message dated 5/8/02 5:11:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Shehryar.Hamid@reuters.com writes:


Hi Haris,
I got your e-mail from your website where you have detailed the construction process of your KR. I am in the market for a homebuilt and the KR looks to be the most interesting in terms of speed and cost. The speed envelope is really stunning.
The only thing making me run away from the project is the wood based construction. The only other way I am trying to convince my self on the strength and life of the airframe is by thinking it is laminated in fibreglass. Now, someone has told me that lamination is only done on the wings.
Would be very grateful if you could let me know what your suggestions are and also let me know what the kit quality is coming from Rand Robinson? Will appreciate greatly.


Best Regards,

Shehryar Hamid
Reuters Limited
P.O. Box 62422
Riyadh 11585
Saudi Arabia
Tel: +966-1-4641480
Fax: +966-1-4627113


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I am in the market for a homebuilt and the KR looks to be the most interesting in terms of speed and cost. The speed envelope is really stunning. The only thing making me run away from the project is the wood based construction. The only other way I am trying to convince my self on the strength and life of the airframe is by thinking it is laminated in fibreglass. Now, someone has told me that lamination is only done on the wings. Would be very grateful if you could let me know what your suggestions are and also let me know what the kit quality is coming from Rand Robinson? Will appreciate greatly. Best Regards, Shehryar Hamid Reuters Limited P.O. Box 62422 Riyadh 11585 Saudi Arabia Tel: +966-1-4641480 Fax: +966-1-4627113 -------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit our Internet site at http://www.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd. --part1_48.b35abcb.2a0bec07_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:33:12 -0400 To: HAshraf@aol.com,krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Cc: Shehryar.Hamid@reuters.com Subject: Re: KR> Fwd: Prospective KR2S kit buyer Message-ID: Shehryar, I would suggest that you visit some of the websites, there are many, and look at the construction photos. Our website, http://kr-builder.org , has links to lots of others as well as lots of construction photos.... Good luck on your project......... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org On Thu, 9 May 2002 11:13:11 EDT HAshraf@aol.com wrote: >Can some one help him out? > >In a message dated 5/8/02 5:11:52 AM Pacific Daylight >Time, >Shehryar.Hamid@reuters.com writes: > > >> Hi Haris, >> I got your e-mail from your website where you have >>detailed the >> construction process of your KR. I am in the market for >>a homebuilt and the >> KR looks to be the most interesting in terms of speed >>and cost. The speed >> envelope is really stunning. >> The only thing making me run away from the project is >>the wood based >> construction. The only other way I am trying to convince >>my self on the >> strength and life of the airframe is by thinking it is >>laminated in >> fibreglass. Now, someone has told me that lamination is >>only done on the >> wings. >> Would be very grateful if you could let me know what >>your suggestions are >> and also let me know what the kit quality is coming from >>Rand Robinson? >> Will appreciate greatly. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Shehryar Hamid >> Reuters Limited >> P.O. Box 62422 >> Riyadh 11585 >> Saudi Arabia >> Tel: +966-1-4641480 >> Fax: +966-1-4627113 >> > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:25:41 -0700 To: , From: "Daniel Heath" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Fwd: Prospective KR2S kit buyer Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1F797.B028F0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The KR is an airplane that likes to be kept indoors where it is dry. It can take the weather, but just does not like to be left out in it. There are KRs that have been around for over 20 years and show no sign of giving up anytime soon. As far as buying the kit. I think most of the basic kit is good, but beware of the cost and quality of the premoulded parts. I don't like the quality, because they do not fit very well. In fact, the only premoulded part that I know of that fits, is the forward deck. Now if you are going for the KR2S, I don't know about the premoulded parts on that, but there are many people on the KRNet that do. Welcome to the KRNet community and good building. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: HAshraf@aol.com [mailto:HAshraf@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:13 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Cc: Shehryar.Hamid@reuters.com Subject: KR> Fwd: Prospective KR2S kit buyer Can some one help him out? In a message dated 5/8/02 5:11:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Shehryar.Hamid@reuters.com writes: Hi Haris, I got your e-mail from your website where you have detailed the construction process of your KR. I am in the market for a homebuilt and the KR looks to be the most interesting in terms of speed and cost. The speed envelope is really stunning. The only thing making me run away from the project is the wood based construction. The only other way I am trying to convince my self on the strength and life of the airframe is by thinking it is laminated in fibreglass. Now, someone has told me that lamination is only done on the wings. Would be very grateful if you could let me know what your suggestions are and also let me know what the kit quality is coming from Rand Robinson? Will appreciate greatly. Best Regards, Shehryar Hamid Reuters Limited P.O. Box 62422 Riyadh 11585 Saudi Arabia Tel: +966-1-4641480 Fax: +966-1-4627113 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1F797.B028F0C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:40:03 -0400 To: "KRnet" From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Please change URL..... Message-ID: All, 'specially krnet.org, We have changed domain names and website hosts..... So please change the URLs for 'Jerry and Dan's Aplane Factory' from ' http://www.jerrymahurin.com ' to ' http://kr-builder.org '. Thanx in advance Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:11:19 +0300 To: From: "Philipas Georgiou" Subject: VW engines Message-ID: <003801c1f784$ec0e7a00$5e1805d5@philippasgeorgiounetonline> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F79E.106914A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All My name is Philippas, I'm from Grrece and this is my first message to = the list since I don't own a KR2S yet. One basic reason I choose KR2S among the other homebuilt airplanes is = the use of VW engine. I can very easily find almost every model of used = VW engine in my country and one of my friends is authorized VW = automobile engineer So I think that it is very easy to buy a used engine = and convert it so it can be used for my future airplane. The problem is = that i don't know which VW engine is good for this kind of convertion, = what kind of convertion it will need, where can I find a convertion kit = etc. (I think I need an engine of 80hp horsepower) If anybody has done something like that, or knows where can I find = answers to my questions please let me know since I woiuld like very much = to became one of the huppy KR2S owners sometime. Philippas Georgiou Athens, Greece E-mail: philippasgeorgiou@netonline.gr ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1F79E.106914A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:56:39 -0400 To: "KRNet Mailing List" , "Philipas Georgiou" From: "West-Tek" Subject: Re: KR> VW engines Message-ID: <00da01c1f78b$443df330$2f296f86@corp.stratus.com> Hi Philipas, Great Planes is the main site for all things VW aircraft. www.greatplainsas.com You can find almost any info you want about KRs at www.krnet.org Near the bottom of the page you will find links to all sort of vendors of KR and homebuilding supplies. Happy Building, Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA http://www.ifly99.tripod.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:30:57 +0200 To: "Philipas Georgiou" , From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: RE: KR> VW engines Message-ID: Hi, Philippas! 1 - Which engine? The interesting VW engines for aircraft conversion are the air-cooled, 4 cylinders, horizontally opposed ("flat four"). These are called the Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, and Type 4. The Types 1, 2 and 3 come from the Volkswagen Beetle. The Type 4 comes from the Minibus, the Porsche 914, and a station wagon whose name I don't know. The best is the Type 4, because it is more powerful, and it is made of a better aluminum alloy. It is also the most difficult one to find. It exists in 1700cc and 2000cc. The 2 liter gives you 65hp. If you want more hp, you will have to convert the engine to a bigger cc, but now, this becomes expensive. You can have it done by an experienced workshop, or order a kit. The maximum you can safely get out of a Type 3 or Type 4 is 80 hp. 2 - To convert the engine, you need the engine: - to be able to turn a propeller, and - to be safe enough for flying. For the propeller, you will have to have a propeller flange attached to the crankshaft, and of course, a bearing made for it. This is machine shop work. For safety, you will have to have the engine rebuilt, and you will have to make a redundant ignition system. Now, I suggest you go to Great Plains Aircraft website, and have a look at their kits. Better, call your VW friend and have a look to the website with him. Their kits are the best in the market. Anything else you need to know, just ask. Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Philipas Georgiou [mailto:philippasgeorgiou@netonline.gr] Sent: 09 May, 2002 8:11 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> VW engines Hello All My name is Philippas, I'm from Grrece and this is my first message to the list since I don't own a KR2S yet. One basic reason I choose KR2S among the other homebuilt airplanes is the use of VW engine. I can very easily find almost every model of used VW engine in my country and one of my friends is authorized VW automobile engineer So I think that it is very easy to buy a used engine and convert it so it can be used for my future airplane. The problem is that i don't know which VW engine is good for this kind of convertion, what kind of convertion it will need, where can I find a convertion kit etc. (I think I need an engine of 80hp horsepower) If anybody has done something like that, or knows where can I find answers to my questions please let me know since I woiuld like very much to became one of the huppy KR2S owners sometime. Philippas Georgiou Athens, Greece E-mail: philippasgeorgiou@netonline.gr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:47:12 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: RICK WILSON Subject: fiberglass springs for gear legs Message-ID: <20020509224712.75966.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, would the person who posted the notes about using fiberglass springs from a chevy van, for gear legs,please email me or repost the info on them. I have a pair, and would like to see how you used them and also check out some of the weight info. If anyone remembers who had that information, I would appreciate your help. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 17:25:49 -0700 To: mailto: From: Glasco Subject: Re: KR> looking at buying a KR2 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020509172549.009001b0@mail.ridgenet.net> I went thru the same dilemma, only starting with a weight of 260. My choices boiled down to modifying the KR plans or building a Vision, http. My reservations on the Vision were that it's sixe and weight requires a larger engine, minimum 100HP. No surprise, and at 100HP it's performance is disappointing. On the other hand you can spend a lot of time modifying the KR to handle more weight and once you've done that the laws of physics catch up with you and you have the same HP requirements that you have with the Vision. Hmmm... I opted for the Vision with a Corvair direct drive, bought the plans (they are very comprehensive-cookbook receipe level of detail) and then found a 'bargin' KR-2S partially built. Now I am modifying a KR/Corvair for my weight and height and it is turning out to be every bit as much work as I expected. Maybe I'll start on that Vision and do both... One other thought, saying I am "modifying" KR plans is perhaps an exageration. The plans I got with my boat stage are very skimpy. Sorta like holding a thong bikini and trying to imagine what it would look like with with contents. You better have some experience for your imagination to work with. Without web sites like Mark Langford's and this list I think most first time builder's would be in trouble. With those websites, well, the modifications are still a lot of work. Brad At 06:02 PM 5/8/02 -0400, you wrote: >I have found a KR2 that I am very interested in.I have a couple of concerns about the plane.Now I want to be able to take another person up in the plane.The Gross weight of a KR2 is 900 but the plane weights 648lbs empty.It has a 14 gallon fuel tank.Now buy my calculations 14 gallons of fuel is 70lbs.So that's leaves 182 lbs left just for me.Well guess what I weight 220lbs.So that leaves me at 38lbs over the gross.So I guess my question is What is the g loading the plane was designed for.If it is 6 G's can I go over the gross and just fly with in a 4 g limit.If not this is just a really wide single place plane.Any help would be great. > > >Thanks >Brian Woodhams > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 17:34:41 -0700 To: mailto: From: Glasco Subject: Re: KR> Da Mountaintop:-) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020509173441.009004d0@mail.ridgenet.net> Dana, I'm with you in there. As you noted the difference is the barnstormer mentality, "Good-n-nuff, It'll fly." and aircraft quality workmanship. No doubt if you build it beefy enough then quality finishing is less important. BUT, if yur trying to build and aluminum RV-6 you better care. Brad At 07:08 PM 5/8/02 -0400, you wrote: > > > >>Did Ken Rand go to all the fuss over these fittings? I think not, he just >>made them with hand tools, did'nt he? >> >>KRRon > >Forgot to mention in my previous post, to polish those correctly deburred >alum. edges, work to at least #600 grit and prime with NAPA 7020 self >etching primer. > > >Not to start another fight, but just because Ken Rand did something that >does not make it the premier aero building technique. That was 30 plus >years ago. He didn't carry this down from the mountaintop chiseled in >stone. He also had 5+ degrees of incidence in the initial >wing................. > >Robinson laughed out loud when Mark Langford asked him about the engineering >that went into the design. The reply was "what engineering" if I remember >correctly:-) (got ya into this, heh Mark:-) > >I'm not trying to start another net war so let's not go there. Just trying >to interject some rational thinking here. > >Now where's that foxhole:-), Jerry, is that you in here with me?? > >Not trying to start anything so I won't respond to any "negitivity":-) > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >http://rvflying.tripod.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 06:03:43 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> Da Mountaintop:-) Message-ID: <002a01c1f812$599b8a30$95621e41@Administration> OK! I agree, but you have forgot to gold plate the parts. KRRon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glasco" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Da Mountaintop:-) > > > > Dana, > > I'm with you in there. As you noted the difference is the barnstormer > > mentality, "Good-n-nuff, It'll fly." and aircraft quality workmanship. No > > doubt if you build it beefy enough then quality finishing is less > > important. BUT, if yur trying to build and aluminum RV-6 you better care. > > > > Brad > > > > > > At 07:08 PM 5/8/02 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Did Ken Rand go to all the fuss over these fittings? I think not, he > just > > >>made them with hand tools, did'nt he? > > >> > > >>KRRon > > > > > >Forgot to mention in my previous post, to polish those correctly deburred > > >alum. edges, work to at least #600 grit and prime with NAPA 7020 self > > >etching primer. > > > > > > > > >Not to start another fight, but just because Ken Rand did something that > > >does not make it the premier aero building technique. That was 30 plus > > >years ago. He didn't carry this down from the mountaintop chiseled in > > >stone. He also had 5+ degrees of incidence in the initial > > >wing................. > > > > > >Robinson laughed out loud when Mark Langford asked him about the > engineering > > >that went into the design. The reply was "what engineering" if I > remember > > >correctly:-) (got ya into this, heh Mark:-) > > > > > >I'm not trying to start another net war so let's not go there. Just > trying > > >to interject some rational thinking here. > > > > > >Now where's that foxhole:-), Jerry, is that you in here with me?? > > > > > >Not trying to start anything so I won't respond to any "negitivity":-) > > > > > >Dana Overall > > >Richmond, KY > > >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > > >http://rvflying.tripod.com > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:40:44 -0500 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: Oshkosh Message-ID: Here is the link to the Forum at Oshkosh. So far, not enough pictures. I really will need some of the building stage. If you think it won't work, send it anyway. I can always filter them out. My goal is to create a presentation that I can give to Jeanette and anyone could use in the future. http://www.airventure.org/forums/presenter.asp?EventID=12&PresenterID=1291 Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:56:27 -0500 To: "KR-Net" , "CorvAircraft" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Williams New Video Message-ID: <005001c1f7c5$ecd84920$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1F79B.FD9868A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I have just finished viewing the best video on experimental aircraft = conversions that I have ever seen. This new video, Produced by William = Wynne, titled "Introduction to Corvair Engines" is a MUST HAVE video if = you are building or even considering building an experimental aircraft = engine. This well thought out video touches on most everything about the = Corvair engine conversion. Do not miss out on this one, you will never = regret getting your own personal copy. However, I must say that the = blooper section at the end of the tape really shows us the best side of = William Wynne. EXCELLENT JOB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1F79B.FD9868A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:09:53 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: motorcycle retract drawings Message-ID: <001501c1f7c7$c68804c0$7600a8c0@athlon600> Dene Collett wanted me to mention that the pictures that he emailed me of Don Betchan's motorcycle fork retract gear setup are located at: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/betchan_retracts/ Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:44:58 -0400 To: From: Subject: fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: <001e01c1f839$a3f2b0a0$0b851442@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1F818.1C63F160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still looking for the best place to get composite materials for my KR - = how much glass- should I use carbon on wings (MARK?) what are the weight = penalties - what is the difference between the pink foam and the green - = where to buy? Is the expandable foam being used the same as canned foam = from Home Depot or something special? Lots of questions - least = expensive option between peelply and walmart fabrics - HELP? ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1F818.1C63F160-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:39:26 +0300 To: davmck@verizon.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Aimo Paivoke" Subject: RE: KR> Belly board Message-ID: Hi David and other netters! I put a belly board in my KR2. It is located at ablut 10 cm (4") after the back plywood web of the front spar. Thus it is indside a low pressure area and it is wery light to extend but at least as effective as if it were more back. Being inside the CG area is back enough not to make any (at least considerable) effect to yaw. Also this is where it has the most space measured from ground. It is attached to the belly plywood using piano hinge with a 16x50 millimeters wooden inforcement inside the fuselage on the belly plywood from longeron to longeron. It's size is 30 cm X with of fuselafe at that point. About 30% of it's area is holes. It has three notches, about 30, 45 and 60 degrees. The force to extend does not considerably increase with extended degrees. Highest speed I have extended it is 100 mph. The control for it is attached at the rear surface of the main spar near left side of fuselage. I hope this could be of help. Best regards Aimo, OH-XAP >From: "David McKelvey" >To: >Subject: RE: KR> Belly board >Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:23:49 -0500 > >Correct me if I'm wrong but attaching it to the rear spar is better than >going forward of the front spar. You want your drag behind the C G. > >Dave McKelvey >Grapevine TX > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kenneth L Wiltrout [mailto:klw1953@juno.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:09 PM >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Belly board > > >Just wondering how much experience is out ther concerning belly boards. I >need to slow mine down a bit more to feel comfortable getting into the >shorter runways. Has anyone mounted one of these to the rear spar as >opposed to the forward spar? Hooking one of these up to the forward spar >is going to be a challange to say the least, especially with a center >stick. Comments?-----------------Thanks > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > Best regards from ------ Aimo Päivöke tel. +358 9 8626 5684 mob. +358 400 870 481 aimo_paivoke@hotmail.com ------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:42:50 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: My bird is a bathtub! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1F7FE.AAC6E580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A bad surprise the other day when I did the pre-flight on ZS-WEC: lots of water under the seats! The hangar attendant probably whashed the aircraft too happily, and my canopy isn't sealed. Bad! And of course, I have sanded a few small spots of the floorboard for preparation to epoxy some cable holders! The trouble is, any rain shower would have done the same. Now, Tony Bingelis says that all compartments should have tiny drain holes in them. I think I will do that, and drill one hole at each end of each floor compartment, then pour polyester resin through the holes to make them watertight. How does that sound? Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1F7FE.AAC6E580-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:00:05 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: RE: KR> My bird is a bathtub! Message-ID: Good morning Serge I would definitely do the job. but would this not make the KR noisy and drafty at the same time. I'd recommend working on the canopy seal (I assume that's where the leak was). This will have a two fold benefit, airtightness (slipstream) and water tightness (rain fall and over zealous cleaners). Before embarking on this endeavor ask yourself this "how many times has my bird been in the rain?" Cheers Danny Sasolburg South Africa ********************************************************************** This e-mail and its attachments, if any, are intended only for use by the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, or both. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are strictly prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this email and its attachments, if any. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail, its attachments, and any printed copies of any of them. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:23:50 +1000 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Dragonfly / KR2 canopy Message-ID: <002d01c1f815$29fe0700$9797dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1F868.FA851F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ross, Is the KR2S canopy the same as the D/Fly? Phil matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1F868.FA851F00-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:34:07 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: KR pics. Message-ID: It's Friday........ I've been posting pics of my RV construction and trying to tie it into building techniques of the KR. As new members have found out, I am not an opponent of the original KR construction, I am just a supporter of building the airplane as best as you possible. We've discussed using 30 year old technology; will it work? Absolutely. It is the best, sometimes not. Example This pic shows a comparison of the plans build elevator control horn. The one on the right shows Dr. Dean's rod end bearing on a "manufactured" horn in my garage. Tell me which one looks better. http://rvflying.tripod.com/brak.jpg By using these bearings look at how tight you can make your elevator gap. These are both efficient and east to align. These pics are from my KR elevator. My thinking is why pivot the elevator on a bolt without using a bearing............to doing it right. http://rvflying.tripod.com/bearing1.jpg This pic shows your contoured elevator gap area on my KR elevator. http://rvflying.tripod.com/outboard1.jpg Of course.........one of these pics:-) This does show how your gap will look with Dr. Dean bearing hindges. http://rvflying.tripod.com/ff2.jpg And none of these are gold plated, just improvements to an older design. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 8:27:27 -0400 To: From: Subject: Foam Cutter Message-Id: <20020510122727.NURR16785.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.14]> Good morning Peoples, does anyone of you can help me on foam cutting ? Would like to make a 3 feet foam cutter What size of wire ? What kind of wire ? What volatge to cut 36 inches ? Wish a good summer to all of you. Francois Poirier.............Canada Hommevolant@sympatico.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:22:20 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Foam Cutter Message-ID: Francois, I hope that you do not plan on hot wire cutting polyurethane foam............ 'cause that is a no no as it creates a very poisonous gas.......!!!! Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org On Fri, 10 May 2002 8:27:27 -0400 wrote: >Good morning Peoples, >does anyone of you can help me on foam cutting ? >Would like to make a 3 feet foam cutter >What size of wire ? >What kind of wire ? >What volatge to cut 36 inches ? > >Wish a good summer to all of you. > > >Francois Poirier.............Canada > >Hommevolant@sympatico.ca > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >"reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: >krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:10:35 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: drain holes in the fuselage. Message-ID: <004101c1f82c$75239440$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1F80A.ED26F800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is rain, there is an over enthusiastic wash job, there are = air/water leaks , there is condensation. My frend had to re do the = bottom fuselage on his when the drain holes were neglected.Rot set in. = uase a 1/4 inch drill on the front,left and right of each cross member. = Reseal each drill hole with epoxy where the drill cut the wood. If you = wish, put a sea plane plastic drain gromet over each hole on the = underside. Harold Woods. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1F80A.ED26F800-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:28:08 -0400 To: From: Subject: Foam Cutter part 2 Message-Id: <20020510142808.VGBT27276.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.14]> No, actualy it is for regular foam, a friend of me who buid Radio Control= ed = Plane would like to make wings and fuselage out of solid block of foam, c= heap = and light, can produce scaled airplanes by dozen for a cheap cheap price,= if I = give him the proper info he will make me a scaled KR-2 for my son. Regards > = > Date: 2002/05/10 ven. AM 09:22:20 GMT-04:00 > = > Francois, > = > I hope that you do not plan on hot wire cutting = > polyurethane foam............ 'cause that is a no no as it = > creates a very poisonous gas.......!!!! > = > = > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > http://kr-builder.org > = > On Fri, 10 May 2002 8:27:27 -0400 > wrote: > >Good morning Peoples, > >does anyone of you can help me on foam cutting ? > >Would like to make a 3 feet foam cutter > >What size of wire ? > >What kind of wire ? > >What volatge to cut 36 inches ? > > > >Wish a good summer to all of you. > > > > > >Francois Poirier.............Canada > > > >Hommevolant@sympatico.ca > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT = > >"reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: = > >krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org = > >For additional commands, e-mail: = > >krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at = > >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ = > > > = > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > http://kr-builder.org > = > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > = > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org = > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > = > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ = > = > = = = = Retoutner =E0: SentMail = = ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:33:46 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: foam cutter. Message-ID: <005d01c1f82f$b1ac6060$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1F80E.2A6865C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have several wire cutters.The smallest is 18 inches and the longest is = 8 feet. The wire is from my MIG. It is steel and around 25 thou. You = can cut with a 12 volt car battery but you do not have good heat control = unless you but in a variable resister. Personally I use 120 volt ac = through a voltage control unit. You must cut SLOWLY.The faster the cut = the poorer the quality. The tension on the wire is important especially = when it gets hot and expands. The bow is made from 3/4 inch wood.One = end of the wire is solidly held on one end of a triangular extension on = one end of the bow. The other end of the wire is pulled by a rubber = bungie cord around a small pulley then back to a series of screw nails = set in the wod. You change the tension by moving the one end of the = bungie cord to a screw farther along. For safety sake a short chain = would prevent the bungie fron whipping the wire around if the wire = should break because you overheated the wire. I connect the electrical = connections to each end with alligator clips and put a toggle switch in = series, fastened to the bow where I can easily turn it on or off.It is = easy to make. Try one first. Harold Woods.Orillia Ont. Canada. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1F80E.2A6865C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:39:19 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: foam cutting Message-ID: <006801c1f830$78114180$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C1F80E.F0CD46E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Francois. Mahurin is correct. Cut styrene with a wire but not = polyurithane. The cyanide gas produced in the cutting will shorten your = building project permanently.Harold Woods. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C1F80E.F0CD46E0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************