From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 May 2002 18:59:05 -0000 Issue 426 Date: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:59 AM krnet Digest 11 May 2002 18:59:05 -0000 Issue 426 Topics (messages 10052 through 10081): Re: THE TENTRA 10052 by: Jim Sellars Re: fiberglass-resin-foam 10053 by: Mark Langford 10055 by: Frank Ross 10067 by: Daniel Heath 10068 by: Mark Langford 10073 by: Daniel Heath 10075 by: Mark Langford 10076 by: Mark Langford 10077 by: Daniel Heath Re: fiberglass springs for gear legs 10054 by: Frank Ross 10065 by: RICK WILSON Re: Dragonfly / KR2 canopy 10056 by: Frank Ross Canopies, 2-'S' VS Dragonfly, both expensive 10057 by: Frank Ross Re: KR pics. 10058 by: Dana Overall Rudder Pedal Assembly 10059 by: Larry A. Capps KR NEWSLETTER - published by John Forrester - 12/82 thru 12/84 10060 by: Larry A. Capps 10061 by: virgnvs.juno.com KR1 Project on eBay 10062 by: West-Tek HOW TO MASS BALANCE CONTROL SURFACES 10063 by: Larry A. Capps tet gear keg brackets 10064 by: jim . synergy design Pics and TET KEG Brackets:-) 10066 by: Dana Overall foam 10069 by: RICK WILSON tri-gear brakes 10070 by: Tim Brown W32 Virus 10071 by: clappw.bellsouth.net 10074 by: Bob Farmer KR Brakes 10072 by: D B Durgin drain holes 10078 by: Bob Farmer 10079 by: Mark Jones Interior Decay Prevention 10080 by: Mark Jones re virus. 10081 by: Audrey and Harold Woods Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:57:43 -0300 To: "Thibeau, Ritchie" , "Sterling Goddard" , "Scott Fraser" , , , "Phil Visconti" , "Mulhern, Bob" , "Munro, Alan" , "Milton MacPhee" , "Mike Cormier" , "LEE TRENCHARD" , , , "Kevin MacKenzie" , "David Hartz" , "Campbell, Hugh Justice \(JUS\) ATG" , "Allain, Edgar" From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Fw: THE TENTRA Message-ID: <001101c1f833$0fb58760$0100a8c0@LAPTOP> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1F819.E4DCC8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageJust thought this being Friday we could all use alittle more good = fortune. Best regards Jim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Hervieux=20 To: CRISTINE &STEVE PARSON ; JAMES SELLARS ; KEVIN BERGQUIST ; MITCH = MOREAU ; STEVE BEDARD ; VALMONT BOUDREAU ; amumu@ns.sympatico.ca ; = arle@globetrotter.net ; DANIEL CAISSE ; DANY LINDA DAUPHIN TOMMY ; JEAN = PAQUET ; jeff caron ; JOCELYN VERO PEDNEAULT ; MICHEL ISA MONPLAISIR ; = patrice savard ; Rejean.Fournier@quebecorworld.com ; RENE & SYLVIE HEON = BOLDUC ; STEPHANE,JOHANNA MARC JEAN=20 Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: FW: THE TENTRA =20 THE TENTRA: =20 The Tentra has arrived from India. Whether you believe in superstitions or not, devote a few minutes to read the = Tentra. This is the TENTRA NEPALESE TOTEM for good fortune. This Tentra Totem = was sent to you for good fortune. It has already circled the world ten times. Good fortune will reach = you within 4 days from receiving the Tentra. Send copies to whomever you = think is in need of good fortune. Instructions for Life: =20 Eat plenty of whole rice. =20 Give people more than they expect and do this willfully. Learn by heart your favorite song. =20 Don't believe anything you hear and do not sleep as much as you would = like to. When you say "I love You", say it truthfully. =20 When you say I'm sorry, say it with eye contact. An engagement period of six months is crucial before marriage. =20 Believe in love at first sight. =20 Never mock other's dreams. =20 Love deeply and passionately. You may get hurt, but this is the only = way to=20 live life at it's fullest. Deal with discontentment, fight fairly, but do not offend. Do not judge others because of their relatives. Talk slow, think fast. =20 When someone asks you a question you do not want to answer,=20 smile and ask "Why do you want to know?" Remember that the greatest love and the greatest success also hold many = risks. Call your Mom. =20 Bless a person who has just sneezed. =20 When you lose, do not lose the lesson. =20 Remember: respect for yourself, respect for others, and responsibility = for your actions. =20 Do not allow a small disagreement to hurt a great friendship. =20 When you notice that you have made a mistake, take the appropriate = steps=20 to correct it. Smile when you answer the phone. Those who call can "hear" your smile. =20 Marry (or be with) the person you love talking to the most. When you get old, conversation will be more important than anything else. Spend some time alone. =20 Accept change with open arms; yet do not give up your values. Remember that sometimes, silence is the best answer. Read more books and watch television less. Live a good, honorable life. Later, when you grow old and remember the = past,=20 you will enjoy them once more. Believe and trust God, whomever/whatever you conceive God to be, but=20 securely lock your car. An atmosphere of love at your home is most important.=20 Do all that you can in order to create a calm home full of love. =20 Do not bring back the past. =20 Read in between the lines. Share your knowledge. It is the way to live forever. =20 Be gentle with our Earth planet. =20 Pray. Prayer has incredible power. =20 Never interrupt someone who flatters you. Take care of your problems. Do not trust a man or woman who does not close their eyes when you kiss = them. Once a year, visit a place you have never seen before. If you make a lot of money, channel it so as to help others while you = are alive. This is the greatest satisfaction a treasure can reward you. =20 Remember that sometimes, not getting what you want is very lucky. =20 Learn all the rules, and then break some. =20 Remember that the greatest relationships are the ones in which the=20 love between two people is greater than the need one has of the other. Judge your success in light of what you had to give up in order to = obtain it. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1F819.E4DCC8F0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:22:09 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: <001101c1f847$385c3ce0$5f0ca58c@mlangford> clappw@bellsouth.net wrote: >>Still looking for the best place to get composite materials for my KR - how much glass- should I use carbon on wings (MARK?) what are the weight penalties - what is the difference between the pink foam and the green - where to buy? Is the expandable foam being used the same as canned foam from Home Depot or something special? Lots of questions - least expensive option between peelply and walmart fabrics - HELP?<< The best place I know of to buy carbon fiber is listed at http://www.krnet.org/ near the bottom of "Suppliers of KR parts" category, Advanced Composite Materials ( http://www.a-c-m.com/ ). Everything else I buy at Wicks, except foam. Really thick or large pieces of foam (Trymer 2000) are best bought from a local insulation supplier. I"m no expert, but I think the biggest difference between pink, green, and yellow foam is that one is pink, one is green, and the other is yellow. I buy real peelply from Wicks, and use their two part urethane foam to glue foam in place. The thing about one-part foam from the building supply place is that if you don't use the whole can right then, you've got to throw it away the next time you use it anyway, because it's going to be all clogged up. Vinylester resin for fuel tanks I got from Aircraft Spruce, after waiting four months for it, and it's just about the only thing I'd buy from them. Of the 10 times I've ordered from them, I only got what I wanted, when I wanted it, without error, ONE time. Of the 200 times I've ordered from Wicks, I got exactly what I wanted, immediately, in stock all but ONCE, which was rectified the instant I called and told them about it. I don't remember how much material I used for wings but it's not exactly rocket science to figure that out... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: <20020510173112.22576.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> > materials for my KR - how much glass- should I use > carbon on wings (MARK?) what are the weight > penalties - what is the difference between the pink Just my 2 cents here, but, while carbon fiber may save you a lot of weight, it is not needed on the wings. And it is very expensive. I'm a guy who doesn't have much experience with fiberglass and, when I screw something up, I don't want it to break my bank. If I were building my SECOND KR, maybe I'd try carbon-fiber to see how light I could get it and how great it would look, but, I think I'd still use the money for instruments or a real HOT paint job. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:22:45 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: I have found that the pink foam sands very easily. I have some tan foam that is very tough and almost rubbery. I don't like it because it does not sand well, but if you need toughness, it is better. Never saw the yellow stuff. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:22 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam clappw@bellsouth.net wrote: >>Still looking for the best place to get composite materials for my KR - how much glass- should I use carbon on wings (MARK?) what are the weight penalties - what is the difference between the pink foam and the green - where to buy? Is the expandable foam being used the same as canned foam from Home Depot or something special? Lots of questions - least expensive option between peelply and walmart fabrics - HELP?<< The best place I know of to buy carbon fiber is listed at http://www.krnet.org/ near the bottom of "Suppliers of KR parts" category, Advanced Composite Materials ( http://www.a-c-m.com/ ). Everything else I buy at Wicks, except foam. Really thick or large pieces of foam (Trymer 2000) are best bought from a local insulation supplier. I"m no expert, but I think the biggest difference between pink, green, and yellow foam is that one is pink, one is green, and the other is yellow. I buy real peelply from Wicks, and use their two part urethane foam to glue foam in place. The thing about one-part foam from the building supply place is that if you don't use the whole can right then, you've got to throw it away the next time you use it anyway, because it's going to be all clogged up. Vinylester resin for fuel tanks I got from Aircraft Spruce, after waiting four months for it, and it's just about the only thing I'd buy from them. Of the 10 times I've ordered from them, I only got what I wanted, when I wanted it, without error, ONE time. Of the 200 times I've ordered from Wicks, I got exactly what I wanted, immediately, in stock all but ONCE, which was rectified the instant I called and told them about it. I don't remember how much material I used for wings but it's not exactly rocket science to figure that out... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:54:08 -0500 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: <002f01c1f897$1f831900$0100a8c0@TD310> Dan wrote: > I have found that the pink foam sands very easily. I have some tan foam > that is very tough and almost rubbery. I don't like it because it does not > sand well, but if you need toughness, it is better. Never saw the yellow > stuff. I think maybe the tan stuff you are referring to is Lasto-Foam (Clark Foam), which comes in various densities, making it a little tougher to sand, but it's more flexible without breaking, and stronger (but heavier) as a core material. My plane is made of equal parts yellow and pink two pound per cubic foot stuff, and I don't think there's any discernable difference between those two. Wicks usually sends yellow, but sometimes pink, and Trymer 2000 is usually pink, at least in my eperience. I've seen green on other people's planes, but don't know what it is or where it comes from. Somebody mentioned that carbon fiber isn't necessary on wings, and I agree wholeheartedly. It's awfully expensive and you still have to use almost as much as you would fiberglass. I used it because of the improved torsional rigidity because of my big flaps, and because it's so strong that the top skin won't bubble up due to the low pressure on top of the wing, so the wing skins should last a lot longer. But most folks don't need it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 07:00:39 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: We have a problem with one of the ailerons in that it looks very "warped". We are going to re-build it and I thought we would try carbon fiber for that in hopes that it might help keep it straight. It was built straight to begin with, but did not stay that way. However, with what carbon fiber costs, I don't think I would use it on the wings. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:54 PM To: Krnet@Mailinglists.Org Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Dan wrote: > I have found that the pink foam sands very easily. I have some tan foam > that is very tough and almost rubbery. I don't like it because it does not > sand well, but if you need toughness, it is better. Never saw the yellow > stuff. I think maybe the tan stuff you are referring to is Lasto-Foam (Clark Foam), which comes in various densities, making it a little tougher to sand, but it's more flexible without breaking, and stronger (but heavier) as a core material. My plane is made of equal parts yellow and pink two pound per cubic foot stuff, and I don't think there's any discernable difference between those two. Wicks usually sends yellow, but sometimes pink, and Trymer 2000 is usually pink, at least in my eperience. I've seen green on other people's planes, but don't know what it is or where it comes from. Somebody mentioned that carbon fiber isn't necessary on wings, and I agree wholeheartedly. It's awfully expensive and you still have to use almost as much as you would fiberglass. I used it because of the improved torsional rigidity because of my big flaps, and because it's so strong that the top skin won't bubble up due to the low pressure on top of the wing, so the wing skins should last a lot longer. But most folks don't need it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 07:30:03 -0500 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: <002a01c1f8e7$9424fb70$0100a8c0@TD310> Dan Heath wrote: > We have a problem with one of the ailerons in that it looks very "warped". > We are going to re-build it and I thought we would try carbon fiber for that > in hopes that it might help keep it straight. It was built straight to > begin with, but did not stay that way. Dan, have you thought about putting a small heater under the aileron, warming up the top with a hair dryer or heat gun, and then "de-warping" the elevator? Afterwards you could wrap it in carbon fiber to make sure it stayed that way. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 07:45:47 -0500 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: <003901c1f8e9$c6478990$0100a8c0@TD310> I wrote: > Dan, have you thought about putting a small heater under the aileron, > warming up the top with a hair dryer or heat gun, and then "de-warping" the > elevator? Maybe you should start with dewarping the AILERON instead. I'm goin' back to bed... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:30 AM Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam > Dan Heath wrote: > > > We have a problem with one of the ailerons in that it looks very "warped". > > We are going to re-build it and I thought we would try carbon fiber for > that > > in hopes that it might help keep it straight. It was built straight to > > begin with, but did not stay that way. > > Dan, have you thought about putting a small heater under the aileron, > warming up the top with a hair dryer or heat gun, and then "de-warping" the > elevator? Afterwards you could wrap it in carbon fiber to make sure it > stayed that way. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:16:29 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Message-ID: I suppose that is possible. I am not sure how much de-warping is possible as I never even thought about trying that. It sure would be simpler, if it works. Thanks, Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:30 AM To: Krnet@Mailinglists.Org Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass-resin-foam Dan Heath wrote: > We have a problem with one of the ailerons in that it looks very "warped". > We are going to re-build it and I thought we would try carbon fiber for that > in hopes that it might help keep it straight. It was built straight to > begin with, but did not stay that way. Dan, have you thought about putting a small heater under the aileron, warming up the top with a hair dryer or heat gun, and then "de-warping" the elevator? Afterwards you could wrap it in carbon fiber to make sure it stayed that way. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:21:16 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass springs for gear legs Message-ID: <20020510172116.34451.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, I'm pretty certain it was Peter Johnson of Canada who is trying out the GM springs. I can't find any copies of those posts, but you may find them in the digest. He's on the net frequently and may have already contacted you. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, USA --- RICK WILSON wrote: > Hi, would the person who posted the notes about > using > fiberglass springs from a chevy van, > for gear legs,please email me or repost the info on > them. I have a pair, and would like to see how you > used them and also check out some of the weight > info. > If anyone remembers who had that information, I > would > appreciate your help. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: RICK WILSON Subject: fiberglass springs for gear legs Message-ID: <20020510231150.58392.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks for the replies to my post. Mr. Peter Johnson contacted me, he is the one who posted the notes about fiberglass springs. Thanks again, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT) To: KR Net Listings From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Dragonfly / KR2 canopy Message-ID: <20020510174528.12542.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> --- Phillip Matheson wrote: > Ross, > Is the KR2S canopy the same as the D/Fly? > > > Phil > > matheson@dodo.com.au > Phil, Others, I'm sorry, I wrote without correct information. The KR-2 'S' Canopy does look as good as the Dragonfly Canopy, in my opinion, but the price for the canopy alone is not listed. At Sun-N-Fun 2001, Jeanette Rand told me they are available separately. On the web-site and in the information packet, it is only listed as part of the pre-fabricated package, no individual price. I had MISTAKENLY assigned the price for the KR2 canopy ($260) to the KR2 'S' canopy. I am sure it is higher, and I DONT know how much it is. It may be as expensive as the Dragonfly. Sort of like being lined-up on the taxiway on final. Sorry about that. I did put in a call to Rand-Robinson (since I know that's kind of hard for those of you in far-away places) and will let you know what I find out. I know that buying and shipping one from the US to someplace halfway round the globe may be prohibitively expensive, too, but, if one had the choice between a $500 Dragonfly canopy and a $350 KR-2 'S' canopy, it's a 'no-brainer'. Also, I don't have the dimensions for the KR-2 'S' canopy. I'm pretty sure it is larger than the KR-2, but don't know about how it compares to the Dragonfly. I walked away from a great deal on the D'fly canopy about a year ago because at 46 inches wide, I thought it was too wide. Found out most builders bow it in quite a lot or make other adjustments. Oh well... Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:45:55 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Canopies, 2-'S' VS Dragonfly, both expensive Message-ID: <20020510184555.68749.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Just had a call from Jeanette Rand. Had left a message for her, didn't know she's not usually in on Fridays, but she dropped in and returned my call. a. This is really hard to write with my foot so deeply wedged in my mouth. b. The 2-'S' canopy is no less expensive than the Dragonfly. Rand sells them for $580 plus $65 for packaging then whatever the shipping costs are. That's $645, in case your calculator isn't working. That does not include the cost of the frame, which, she says, will not work on the KR-2. c. I forgot to ask the size, but it is larger than a KR-2 canopy and has a better slope to the front. d. She was excited about going to Oshkosh because she said she hasn't been for awhile and looks forward to seeing a lot of us there. e. I'll probably never learn to double-check my facts before spouting off my mouth, sorry about any confusion I may have caused. At least now we know how much a KR-2 'S' canopy costs if you order it from Rand-Robinson. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:45:05 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> KR pics. Message-ID: Could I get some people to reply off line as to whether you can get to the pics listed earlier and below. Some people have said they are only getting the URL. If so, I'll make a quick webpage with them. Thanks, Dana >From: "Dana Overall" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> KR pics. >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:34:07 -0400 > >It's Friday........ > >I've been posting pics of my RV construction and trying to tie it into >building techniques of the KR. As new members have found out, I am not an >opponent of the original KR construction, I am just a supporter of building >the airplane as best as you possible. > >We've discussed using 30 year old technology; will it work? Absolutely. >It is the best, sometimes not. > >Example >This pic shows a comparison of the plans build elevator control horn. The >one on the right shows Dr. Dean's rod end bearing on a "manufactured" horn >in my garage. Tell me which one looks better. > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/brak.jpg > >By using these bearings look at how tight you can make your elevator gap. >These are both efficient and east to align. These pics are from my KR >elevator. My thinking is why pivot the elevator on a bolt without using a >bearing............to doing it right. > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/bearing1.jpg > >This pic shows your contoured elevator gap area on my KR elevator. > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/outboard1.jpg > >Of course.........one of these pics:-) This does show how your gap will >look with Dr. Dean bearing hindges. > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/ff2.jpg > >And none of these are gold plated, just improvements to an older design. > > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >http://rvflying.tripod.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional >commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:05:22 -0500 To: "KR Builders \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Rudder Pedal Assembly Message-ID: <001a01c1f85e$04b35380$0600a8c0@schpankme> KR Builders, If you would like to customize your project with a complete custom set of rudder pedals, click on the URL listed. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/pedals/pedal.pdf (This file is in Adobe Acrobat 5.0 viewer (.PDF) The Rudder Pedal Kit contains the following items: o 4 coupled rudder pedals, welded on concentric tubes o 2 brake pedals* o 2 brake cylinder brackets o 3 rudder pedal bearing kits o 2 brake pedal bearing kits o Necessary screws and washers o Assembly instruction o Packaging** Weight of Pedals as per drawing is: 2.48 lbs (1.125 kg) *Brake cylinders are not included Price is $350.00 dollars for the complete kit, **Plus Shipping. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions. Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL lacapps@attbi.com Many thanks to Mark Langford for providing the web link and space. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:16:00 -0500 To: "KR Builders \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: KR NEWSLETTER - published by John Forrester - 12/82 thru 12/84 Message-ID: <001b01c1f85f$80e92870$0600a8c0@schpankme> KRNetters, Ernest Koppe published the KR NEWSLETTER from 9/75 to 12/82, these newsletters are available online at http://www.bouyea.net/digests/Default.htm. My question is, after 12/82 thru 8/84, the KR NEWSLETTER was published by John Forrester, where are these to be found? Best Regards, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:22:30 -0400 To: lacapps@attbi.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR NEWSLETTER - published by John Forrester - 12/82 thru 12/84 Message-ID: <20020510.162231.-262307.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Any one remember the KR Quarterly ? Virg On Fri, 10 May 2002 15:16:00 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" writes: > KRNetters, > > Ernest Koppe published the KR NEWSLETTER from 9/75 to 12/82, these > newsletters are available online at > http://www.bouyea.net/digests/Default.htm. > > > My question is, after 12/82 thru 8/84, the KR NEWSLETTER was > published by > John Forrester, where are these to be found? > > > Best Regards, > > Larry A. Capps > Naperville, IL > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:36:04 -0400 To: "KRNet Mailing List" From: "West-Tek" Subject: KR1 Project on eBay Message-ID: <000a01c1f873$154c1640$2f296f86@corp.stratus.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1F851.8AAEB770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just an FYI: I found a KR1 Project for sale on eBay. Item # 1827407225 I don't know = anything about it, but someone might be interested. Have a great weekend!, Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA http://ifly99.tripod.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1F851.8AAEB770-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:53:28 -0500 To: "KR Builders \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: HOW TO MASS BALANCE CONTROL SURFACES Message-ID: <002501c1f875$80b210e0$0600a8c0@schpankme> High Flight Article By Tony Bingelis Flutter can be prevented, at least in the speed ranges most home-builds operate, by using properly distributed mass ballast to obtain a 100% balanced condition. Furthermore, if you were to add just a little extra mass balance weight to provide a slight static overbalance about the hinge line, the flutter problem would almost certainly be eliminated for all flutter modes. The balancing of control surfaces has always been a good practice and it is still the best single flutter preventative the home-builder has. - Tony B. Read the entire article here: http://www.fly-imaa.org/imaa/hfarticles/howto/v6-1-36.html Other High Flight HOW TO Article: http://www.fly-imaa.org/imaa/hfarticles/howto.html Regards, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:13:13 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: tet gear keg brackets Message-ID: <000c01c1f880$a58a6f60$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1F845.F7E50DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any one using the TET gear brackets? I have a set, but the Deihl lower = brackets wont work. Wondering what others are using. Also looking for = CLEAR dragonfly canopy. Thanks ,Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1F845.F7E50DA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:36:31 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Pics and TET KEG Brackets:-) Message-ID: Jim said...............TET KEG brackets..........I want some of those:-) Thanks to everyone who responded to me offline. It seems some people got the pics others didn't. I downloaded three pics off my KR website and used them. Those seemed to be ones people were having problems with. Anyway, I made a temporary web page with the four pics. Like I said, I have been trying to post RV pics that somehow related to KR building. These pics are KR pics with something thrown in at the end:-) Try this link http://rvflying.tripod.com/rv7/id12.html BTW, I know Jim will put on great forum at Oshkosh. He's been all about the 30 year anniversary. It's my 22nd. anniversary so I better get off this DAM!@%*&# computer:-) Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:01:50 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: RICK WILSON Subject: foam Message-ID: <20020511040150.43206.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I got some green foam with a war corsair kit I worked on for a while, I don't know what kind it was, but it was very fine, and sanded super easily. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:10:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: tri-gear brakes Message-ID: <20020511041007.74327.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Those of you building a tri-gear using Diehl gear: Are you running your brake line through the front spar? If not, where? If so, throught the spar in the interior or through the fuselage, into the leading edge then through the spar? I am using Matco self contained (no master cylinder). What are you all using for your brake line? Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 12:16:41 -0400 To: From: Subject: W32 Virus Message-ID: <003401c1f907$52a33700$c83dd6d1@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1F8E5.B51D9AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do you eliminate the W32 virus from mail? ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1F8E5.B51D9AA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 07:02:15 -0400 To: From: "Bob Farmer" Cc: "krnet" Subject: Re: KR> W32 Virus Message-ID: <001101c1f8db$519c2b40$235f62d8@oemcomputer> Here is the link to the Norton Anti Virus site. Might help some. http://www.symantec.com/ Here is a link to some free security patches for Internet Explorer. To find out what version of I E you have right click on the desk top icon and pick properties I think. Hope this helps. Bob Farmer http://downloads-zdnet.com.com/3120-20-0.html?qt=matrixpatch&SWLink=n ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: KR> W32 Virus How do you eliminate the W32 virus from mail? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 01:08:53 -0400 To: From: "D B Durgin" Subject: KR Brakes Message-ID: <008d01c1f8a9$f3786640$d7cbfea9@700> ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C1F888.6A925460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, I'm using the brake master cylinders like I think you're talking = about in my KR2. If ever I need to buy another I'll change them to ones = with a remote reservoir because it's impossible for me to check the = fluid level. One got low from a very small leak that I never found and = lost all function while taxiing to the runway. Just glad it happened = before I took off and not after. Just what I think anyway. D.B.Durgin ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C1F888.6A925460-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 08:34:54 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "rfarmer" Subject: drain holes Message-ID: <001f01c1f8e8$416dcaa0$c94562d8@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1F8C6.B9A50FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This brings up another question. What is the best way to seal the inside wood structure to prevent decay? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: KR> drain holes in the fuselage. There is rain, there is an over enthusiastic wash job, there are = air/water leaks , there is condensation. My friend had to re do the bottom = fuselage on his when the drain holes were neglected.Rot set in. use a 1/4 inch = drill on the front,left and right of each cross member. Reseal each drill hole with epoxy where the drill cut the wood. If you wish, put a sea plane plastic drain grommet over each hole on the underside. Harold Woods. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1F8C6.B9A50FA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 08:59:16 -0500 To: "rfarmer" , "krnet" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> drain holes Message-ID: <001301c1f8f4$0a4b4be0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> There are several ways to do this and I will touch on a couple: Before you close your spars, coat the entire interior surface with a thin coat of epoxy. This also includes ant areas that you close which you will not have access to again. For the interior of the fuselage. I used a marine varnish called "Helmsman Spar Varnish". Available at your local marine dealer for about $30 a quart. This varvish seals the wood and leaves a very smooth shiney surface. Really makes the natural wood look great. I was going to paint the interior of my fuselage but I am leaving the natural wood finish due to the eccellent finish. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "rfarmer" To: "krnet" Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: KR> drain holes This brings up another question. What is the best way to seal the inside wood structure to prevent decay? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: KR> drain holes in the fuselage. There is rain, there is an over enthusiastic wash job, there are air/water leaks , there is condensation. My friend had to re do the bottom fuselage on his when the drain holes were neglected.Rot set in. use a 1/4 inch drill on the front,left and right of each cross member. Reseal each drill hole with epoxy where the drill cut the wood. If you wish, put a sea plane plastic drain grommet over each hole on the underside. Harold Woods. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:03:00 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Interior Decay Prevention Message-ID: <001d01c1f8f4$902161a0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Boy, I think I got up too early (5:15am) as my spelling slipped on this post. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "rfarmer" ; "krnet" Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: Re: KR> drain holes > There are several ways to do this and I will touch on a couple: > > Before you close your spars, coat the entire interior surface with a thin > coat of epoxy. This also includes ant areas that you close which you will > not have access to again. > > For the interior of the fuselage. I used a marine varnish called "Helmsman > Spar Varnish". Available at your local marine dealer for about $30 a quart. > This varvish seals the wood and leaves a very smooth shiney surface. Really > makes the natural wood look great. I was going to paint the interior of my > fuselage but I am leaving the natural wood finish due to the eccellent > finish. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rfarmer" > To: "krnet" > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:34 AM > Subject: KR> drain holes > > > This brings up another question. What is the best way to seal the inside > wood structure to prevent decay? > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:10 AM > Subject: KR> drain holes in the fuselage. > > > There is rain, there is an over enthusiastic wash job, there are air/water > leaks , there is condensation. My friend had to re do the bottom fuselage on > his when the drain holes were neglected.Rot set in. use a 1/4 inch drill > on the front,left and right of each cross member. Reseal each drill hole > with epoxy where the drill cut the wood. If you wish, put a sea plane > plastic drain grommet over each hole on the underside. Harold Woods. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:58:47 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: re virus. Message-ID: <004a01c1f91d$e1845b00$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1F8FC.5A2F9780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can use Norton but if you do remember that if you ever start your = computer in "safe mode", the computer will turn off your Norton. Mine = did and I caught the Klez virus. Now I use AVG anti virus. Use the free = version downloaded off the net. It works very well. Harold Woods ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1F8FC.5A2F9780-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************