From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 19 May 2002 22:59:01 -0000 Issue 432 Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:59 PM krnet Digest 19 May 2002 22:59:01 -0000 Issue 432 Topics (messages 10230 through 10259): Re: 2002 KR Gathering Red Oak, IA 10230 by: garbez 10252 by: ROBERT COOPER 10258 by: Dana Overall Re: gear 10231 by: speeddemon651.cswebmail.com 10234 by: Daniel Heath Re: Photo of the Week 10232 by: Daniel Heath 10240 by: Mark Langford 10255 by: cartera Re: need weight of oil for W &B 10233 by: Daniel Heath 10236 by: Darren Pond 10237 by: Mark Langford 10239 by: larry flesner 10241 by: Linda Warner 10257 by: cartera Re: Aircraft Salvage 10235 by: Dana Overall Re: engine weights 10238 by: larry flesner Re: Aircraft Salvage, Autopilots 10242 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Marks cowling 10243 by: clappw.bellsouth.net 10245 by: Mark Langford Gear Toe in 10244 by: clappw.bellsouth.net 10246 by: Mark Langford 10248 by: Linda Warner Gathering? 10247 by: clappw.bellsouth.net Re: O-200, Marty's plane and drag (was - Da pics:-) 10249 by: George Majewski 10259 by: Jerry Mahurin finding flat plate 10250 by: Larry A. Capps International courier 10251 by: JC Marais Gross weight 10253 by: Rick Wilson 10254 by: Larry A. Capps 10256 by: Rick Wilson Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:22:33 -0500 To: , "KR Builders \(E-mail\)" From: "garbez" Subject: Re: KR> 2002 KR Gathering Red Oak, IA Message-ID: <000c01c1feec$ce5e2d60$bdbefea9@netins.net> Larry, We will have hats, t-shirts, and some other goodies available upon your arrival at the airport. We're glad to hear that you're coming, we hope to make it a great time for all. Mike Garbez N998MG 2002 KR Gathering Host ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry A. Capps" To: "KR Builders (E-mail)" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:11 PM Subject: KR> 2002 KR Gathering Red Oak, IA > Hello KRNet, > > Who will be making up the Hats, Shirts (Style = football > jersey/T-shirt/Polo/wind breakers) for the up coming 2002 KR Gathering? > > It has came to my attention, I have nothing to wear related to KR, or the > KRNet. My lovely wife and I, would like to show up in native costume, to > better blend with the other tribe members >:) > > The gathering is only 4-short months away! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Red Oak Municipal Airport (RDK) is located 1/2 mile west of town > 1674 200th Street Red Oak, IA 51566 > phone is (712) 623-6523 > > 41 00.63N 95 15.59W > U122.8 > > Motel Reservations: > The Red Coach Inn (712) 623-4864 > Super 8 Motel (712) 623-6919 > 1 1/2 miles from the airport. > > Mike Garbez - 2002 KR Gathering Host > (712) 778-2449 please call after 5:30 p.m. > central time weekdays or weekends > > Any questions e-mail at msgtlg@netins.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Best Regards, > > Larry A. Capps > Naperville, IL > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:45:32 -0400 To: , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> 2002 KR Gathering Red Oak, IA Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1FF4C.3575E240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tommy Waymack may still have some 2001 Gathering T-shirts. As advertised = in the KR newsletter, Limited supply but a few still available in size M,= L,XL,XXL. $15 each postpaid. Send your size request and return address to= Tommy Waymack, 2901 W 26th, Pine Bluff AR. 71603. I recently ordered ano= ther shirt from Tommy and sent him a video that I had made at the gatheri= ng, and he sent me two shirts. I'm sure he would like to sell them. I do= n't think we should stick our gathering host with a bunch of shits and ha= ts that he has bought and paid for as a service to us. =20 Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry A. Capps Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:12 PM To: KR Builders (E-mail) Cc: msgtlg@netins.net Subject: KR> 2002 KR Gathering Red Oak, IA Hello KRNet, Who will be making up the Hats, Shirts (Style =3D football jersey/T-shirt/Polo/wind breakers) for the up coming 2002 KR Gathering? It has came to my attention, I have nothing to wear related to KR, or the KRNet. My lovely wife and I, would like to show up in native costume, to better blend with the other tribe members >:) The gathering is only 4-short months away! -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Red Oak Municipal Airport (RDK) is located 1/2 mile west of town 1674 200th Street Red Oak, IA 51566 phone is (712) 623-6523 41 00.63N 95 15.59W U122.8 Motel Reservations: The Red Coach Inn (712) 623-4864 Super 8 Motel (712) 623-6919 1 1/2 miles from the airport. Mike Garbez - 2002 KR Gathering Host (712) 778-2449 please call after 5:30 p.m. central time weekdays or weekends Any questions e-mail at msgtlg@netins.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- Best Regards, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1FF4C.3575E240-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 17:41:33 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> 2002 KR Gathering Red Oak, IA Message-ID: >From: "ROBERT COOPER" I don't think we should stick our gathering host with a bunch of shits and hats that he has bought and paid for as a service to us. >Jack Cooper > Well Jack:-) After hosting two gatherings myself, things don't always work out the way you want. I ended up with headaches, heartaches but never the shi#s:-). Sorry, just had to do that. Na, Na, Na, NaNa...................I just got back from having my last years Christmas present, 30 minutes of aerobatics in a T-6. The world always looks great upside down:-). I'll post some video captured stills later. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:41:18 -0700 (PDT) To: clappw@bellsouth.net From: speeddemon651@cswebmail.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> gear Message-Id: <20020518214119.16401.h013.c014.wm@mail.cswebmail.com.criticalpath.net> On Sun, 19 May 2002, clappw@bellsouth.net wrote > I wanted to know if there are any compmanies that made or sell covers for a kr2s .if there arn't any does anyone know where i can get material that would work well,being water proof and uv protective so i can make my own covers. thanks joel N71SF (md) ___________________________________________________ The ALL NEW CS2000 from CompuServe Better! Faster! More Powerful! 250 FREE hours! Sign-on Now! http://www.compuserve.com/trycsrv/cs2000/webmail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 07:05:14 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> gear Message-ID: Mark, I am sure that you are correct. My experience was that my plane got really squirrelly at a high angle of attack going that slow. And, maybe all that stuff about not being able to 3 point it is compensation for my not being able to do it. I always thought that ground effect played a role in creating this situation, because of the wing's being so close to the ground. My plane never landed at stall. I put the mains on the ground and lifted the tail to kill the lift. I had a gear a little higher than the Diehl on the Little Beast and could only see out the side during take off and landing once the tail was down. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 7:48 PM To: Krnet@Mailinglists.Org Subject: Re: KR> gear Dan Heath wrote: > The higher you get it, the more difficult it will be to make a 3 point. If > you get the nose high enough, which is probably higher than it was on the > retract, it will be almost impossible to 3 point. > You are also correct about the difficulty on take off and landing. Are you sure about this? I'm not a real KR pilot, so I'm open to a reality check, but I've always thought that landing attitude for an almost-full stall three point landing in a taildragger should be very close to the stall angle for the wing, which is something like 14 degrees for a stock KR2. With an average of 2.5 degrees of wing incidence, this means the fuselage would need to be at an 11.5 degree angle to the ground. I checked some KR2s with the original retracts at one of the Gatherings and found them to sit on the ground with an angle of about 8 degrees. That is probably why they are reportedly hard to three point. The tailwheel would hit before the mains. Of course, I've heard one or two guys tell me that that's the way they land them, tail first, so what do I know? The bottom line is that they are probably all different, for various reasons. I'd love to hear from the various pilots on this subject of three-point landings in their KRs. My KR2S with Diehl hear sits at about 10 degrees (which would be 12.5 total if wing incidence were stock) which would still need taller main gear to get closer to that 14 degree number. I will probably add another 2" to my gear height before I fly it, in an effort to gain more prop clearance and to improve the drag qualities of the wheel pants to gear leg situation. I only have 8" at the moment with a 54" prop and plan to spend some time on sod. Of course the bigest reason to compromise on this is visibility over the cowling, but that also comes at the expense of prop clearance. I just crawled into mine with the new cowling installed and I think I'll have some decent forward visibility on the ground. From the cockit, the cowling just about disappears, so it's as if I'm sitting in my plane with no engine or anything out past the firewall. That 2.4" thrustline drop is paying dividends. (See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/02051818m.jpg , which I took about three hours ago). I guess this goes back to seating again. My Dragonfly canopy is located at exactly the same height as the big RR KR2S drawing's side view (that's about the only clue RR gives you as to how tall to make it), with a 17.5" maximum height above the longeron. I'm 6' tall, and have about 2 inches between the seat the floor, and my hair touches the canopy. I'll lower it to the floor (which is not uncommon) shortly after I get it flying, I suspect, so I'll have room for foam cushioning. Of course all of this canopy stuff is subjective, entirely dependent upon how much frame you have between the top longeron and the canopy, the angle you install it (mine is raked a little more than most), where you locate it fore and aft, etc... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 06:40:54 -0700 To: "KR-Net" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Photo of the Week Message-ID: What a beautiful airplane. Mark, please teach us how to make a cowling like that. That plane looks like it is going 250mph. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:05 PM To: KR-Net; CorvAircraft Subject: KR> Photo of the Week I have just placed Mark Langford's Corvair powered KR-2S in my "Photo of the Week" hotspot on my web page. And well deserved I might add. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:29:51 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Photo of the Week Message-ID: <09ee01c1ff41$a36580e0$0100a8c0@TD310> Dan wrote: > What a beautiful airplane. Mark, please teach us how to make a cowling like > that. That plane looks like it is going 250mph. Well, the first thing you'll have to do is ditch that VW engine! With those exhaust pipes trying to run out the cowling intakes, and then extending downward to dodge the pushrod tubes, the bottom of the cowling has to have a big bulge in it, which is not the hot ticket for reduced drag. The Corvair pipes run downward like the Type 4 engine, and are easily angled rearward. I've got all kinds of room for my exhaust system (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/02051831m.jpg ). My five inch long prop hub helps a lot too, something else that you'd be crazy to try on the "small end" of a VW engine. Steve Witman was convinced that the secret to high speeds with the VW engine was the driveshaft, which allowed some serious cowling streamlining (kinda like mine!). As for making the cowling, I've detailed it pretty thoroughly already at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/cowling.html . I still need to add the parts about pulling the final molds, and fastening it to the airplane, and hinging the top to the bottom, but actually how to make it that shape is definitely covered. Note that by welding aluminum tubing directly to the heads to replace the tall manifold flange, I've since been able to get rid of those blisters on the cowling top (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/02051825m.jpg ), which made it look like a wart hog I have to spend most of June travelling the country demonstrating our new WaterSabre portable waterjet cutter ( see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/02051607.jpg ) to various bomb squad organizations, and I plan to do some serious updating on my web pages during the "downtime" and at night using my laptop. The ramp in the photo is for a robot to drive down, carrying a waterjet nozzle to some target 300 feet away, ready to cut it wide open. Just above the ramp in the background you can see the jet mounted to a sawhorse, testing. This truck's guts is what I've been doing for the last year "on the clock", if you can beat that with a stick. Thursday I'm off to Corvair College 2002 (Daytona Beach) where William Wynne has volunteered to run my engine on his test stand and break it in for me. That will be a huge timesaver for me, since I can then just bolt it on and be done with it! I guess I better finish the engine details before then... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:54:01 -0600 To: Daniel Heath From: cartera CC: KR-Net Subject: Re: KR> Photo of the Week Message-ID: <3CE810E9.91F6B6A9@cuug.ab.ca> Daniel, Sorry not found! Daniel Heath wrote: > > What a beautiful airplane. Mark, please teach us how to make a cowling like > that. That plane looks like it is going 250mph. > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:05 PM > To: KR-Net; CorvAircraft > Subject: KR> Photo of the Week > > I have just placed Mark Langford's Corvair powered KR-2S in my "Photo of the > Week" hotspot on my web page. And well deserved I might add. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 06:51:22 -0700 To: "krnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> need weight of oil for W &B Message-ID: This is something that I have always been curious about. All W&B that I have ever seen, include the weight of oil as though it were an option. Well, I am a little overweight today so, I think I will take out a gallon of oil for this flight. I always found that to be ridiculous and therefore, I weighed mine with full oil, cause I always thought that I would keep my oil tank full, and never gave it a second thought. Gee, I am a little over weight today so I think I will take off the tail wheel for today's flight. And all of that is really to say,,, that I have no idea what oil weighs or even if all oils weigh the same. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Darren Pond [mailto:pond27@rogers.com] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 11:06 PM To: krnet Subject: KR> need weight of oil for W &B Hi All can some one tell me what is the weight of Oil? I did my W and B with full oil. Darren just trying to finish my very old but new to me Taylor mono plane so I can focus on the my Dream KR --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 08:35:14 -0700 To: "Daniel Heath" , "krnet" From: "Darren Pond" Subject: Re: KR> need weight of oil for W &B Message-ID: <001a01c1ff4a$c5a87960$79469d18@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> From what I have been told, You need to know the weight of your oil as it could become a variable in a tail heavy or nose heavy C of G problem. Better to understand the variables than try and fly thru them. Darren Pond ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Heath To: krnet Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: RE: KR> need weight of oil for W &B > This is something that I have always been curious about. All W&B that I > have ever seen, include the weight of oil as though it were an option. > Well, I am a little overweight today so, I think I will take out a gallon of > oil for this flight. > > I always found that to be ridiculous and therefore, I weighed mine with full > oil, cause I always thought that I would keep my oil tank full, and never > gave it a second thought. > > Gee, I am a little over weight today so I think I will take off the tail > wheel for today's flight. > > And all of that is really to say,,, that I have no idea what oil weighs or > even if all oils weigh the same. > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darren Pond [mailto:pond27@rogers.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 11:06 PM > To: krnet > Subject: KR> need weight of oil for W &B > > > Hi All > can some one tell me what is the weight of Oil? I did my W and B with full > oil. > Darren > just trying to finish my very old but new to me Taylor mono plane so I can > focus on the my Dream KR > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:05:39 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> need weight of oil for W &B Message-ID: <09ed01c1ff3e$429cebc0$0100a8c0@TD310> One quart of oil weighs one pound, 14 ounces, or 840 grams, according to my digital scale. Not the kind of thing that I would worry about on my CG, especially since the most you'll ever be down would be a half a quart, if you're paying any kind of attention at all. I'm with Dan. I wouldn't have it on my spreadsheet, 'cause it's not a factor. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:05:48 -0500 To: From: larry flesner Subject: RE: KR> need weight of oil for W &B Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020519090548.00860210@mail.midwest.net> Figure the weight of the oil at 6.5 to 7 pounds per gallon. Yes, the weight can vary by type and temp of the oil. Oil is not an option for flight but certianly could be for a weigh-in if oil had not been placed in the engine yet. Or how about if the aircraft had no engine mounted yet. Most engine data gives dry weight for the engine and you would have to figure in the oil. The form and proceedure is also a carry-over from the days when engines carried gallons of oil. How would you figure the weight of the oil in a two cycle with oil/gas mix ?? Point is consider all the variables and work accordingly. The Lyc. 0-320 manual says 2 quarts is the min. oil level (that would scare the hell out of me) and as I recall 7 or 8 is the max. That could be a 40 pound spread. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:42:04 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: Re: KR> need weight of oil for W &B Message-ID: <19204-3CE7C7CC-4068@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-12911-2075 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi all. I told Larry wrong on the weight of oil. It is 7.5 lbs/gallon. Fuel is 6 lbs/gallon. Whether or not the oil is figured in the empty wt. (as most newer aircraft are) or added in with your C.G. computions, it still must be accounted for as some aircraft like Larry Flesner's and mine with 0-200 engines will carry 6 qts. And if we happen to be a couple qts low, The effect on our C.G's WILL be affected to some degree. Of course, I'm talking legal wise. This isn't something we're likely to actually figure each time we fly (I know I never have). The reason to have the E.W.C.G reflect either no oil or full oil is so that we can add oil in or remove it with calculations to reflect the way it is actually going to fly. In light of the above, I'd opt for the oil to be included in the E.W. and only have to deal with calculations in the unlikely situation that I were going to operate the plane with low oil levels. The less calculations we have to do, the less chance for errors! If your DAR balks at having the oil included in the E.W., remind them that MOST new A/C are done this way now. John Sickafoose Naples Fl --WebTV-Mail-12911-2075 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.121) by storefull-2175.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 19 May 2002 07:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by smtpin-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with SMTP id 20D96FE1C for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 07:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11770 invoked by alias); 19 May 2002 14:04:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 11761 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 14:04:46 -0000 Message-ID: <09ed01c1ff3e$429cebc0$0100a8c0@TD310> Reply-To: "Mark Langford" From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" References: <001a01c1ff4a$c5a87960$79469d18@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:05:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: KR> need weight of oil for W &B One quart of oil weighs one pound, 14 ounces, or 840 grams, according to my digital scale. Not the kind of thing that I would worry about on my CG, especially since the most you'll ever be down would be a half a quart, if you're paying any kind of attention at all. I'm with Dan. I wouldn't have it on my spreadsheet, 'cause it's not a factor. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --WebTV-Mail-12911-2075-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:55:28 -0600 To: Daniel Heath From: cartera CC: krnet Subject: Re: KR> need weight of oil for W &B Message-ID: <3CE81140.EF48C4A6@cuug.ab.ca> Daniel, Think about it, is it going to fly with oil or without?? Daniel Heath wrote: > > This is something that I have always been curious about. All W&B that I > have ever seen, include the weight of oil as though it were an option. > Well, I am a little overweight today so, I think I will take out a gallon of > oil for this flight. > > I always found that to be ridiculous and therefore, I weighed mine with full > oil, cause I always thought that I would keep my oil tank full, and never > gave it a second thought. > > Gee, I am a little over weight today so I think I will take off the tail > wheel for today's flight. > > And all of that is really to say,,, that I have no idea what oil weighs or > even if all oils weigh the same. > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darren Pond [mailto:pond27@rogers.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 11:06 PM > To: krnet > Subject: KR> need weight of oil for W &B > > Hi All > can some one tell me what is the weight of Oil? I did my W and B with full > oil. > Darren > just trying to finish my very old but new to me Taylor mono plane so I can > focus on the my Dream KR > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 07:58:40 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Salvage Message-ID: For autopilots of experimental airplanes, try Tru Trak. I have an STec in my Bonanza but will be going experimental in my new homebuilt. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com >From: "Keith S Melvill" >To: >Subject: KR> Aircraft Salvage >Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:22:21 -0700 > >Hi all, >I'm new to the net and have not started building a KR yet, but would >like to ask a question. >I'm in Southern California and am looking for a good aircraft parts >salvage, specifically I'm looking for an autopilot servo. >S-TEC wants about $1200 for a new one. Any suggestions? > >Thanks, >Keith Melvill > > >"Maturity consists of no longer being taken in by one's self." > >Reply to keithstile@earthlink.net > >Keith > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:05:24 -0500 To: From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> engine weights Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020519090524.008834e0@mail.midwest.net> Larry, Listed from where and with what accessories installed? I'd guess these to be some pretty general numbers. I'd certianlly like to see a Subaru (installed, all up weight) that developed 100 h.p. at 215 pounds. Actually, I'd like to see my 0-200 develop 100 h.p. at 220 pounds !!! I'd guess most of these numbers are a-kin to asking a woman her weight or dress size !!! :-) Larry Flesner +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At 08:20 PM 4/18/02 -0500, Larry A. Capps wrote: >Listed Engine Weights: >-------------------------------------------------- >Cont. C-85 85 HP 207 lb. > >Great Plains VW 2600cc 96 HP 190 lb. > >Stratus Subaru EA-81 100 HP 215 lb. > >Cont. O-200-B 100 HP 220 lb. > >Corvair 3100cc 135 HP 225 lb. > >O-290-D2C 140 HP 263 lb. >-------------------------------------------------- > >Larry A. Capps >Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:53:46 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Aircraft Salvage, Autopilots Message-ID: I see several on Ebay from time to time, but my interest was in the boating versions, so no follow-up Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Dana Overall [mailto:bo124rs@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 7:59 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Salvage For autopilots of experimental airplanes, try Tru Trak. I have an STec in my Bonanza but will be going experimental in my new homebuilt. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com >From: "Keith S Melvill" >To: >Subject: KR> Aircraft Salvage >Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:22:21 -0700 > >Hi all, >I'm new to the net and have not started building a KR yet, but would >like to ask a question. >I'm in Southern California and am looking for a good aircraft parts >salvage, specifically I'm looking for an autopilot servo. >S-TEC wants about $1200 for a new one. Any suggestions? > >Thanks, >Keith Melvill > > >"Maturity consists of no longer being taken in by one's self." > >Reply to keithstile@earthlink.net > >Keith > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:37:57 -0400 To: From: Subject: Marks cowling Message-ID: <004501c1ffb8$1e1d8140$14851442@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1FF96.968720E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SO mark - After all the R&D on you fancy "pretty" cowling are you going = to make it available to use Corvair KR folk. Would like to save myself = some time on manufacturing one if you can save your molds. Hope to see = you at Corvair College - William want to run my prop. You plane looks = great! BILL ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1FF96.968720E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:55:18 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Marks cowling Message-ID: <0a3e01c1ff55$f5845cc0$0100a8c0@TD310> Bill Clapp wrote: >>SO mark - After all the R&D on you fancy "pretty" cowling are you going to make it available to use Corvair KR folk. Would like to save myself some time on manufacturing one if you can save your molds. << I fully intend to sell these things, for about what everybody else sells new ones for, unless you want carbon fiber, which will be a little more (and a third the weight). But let me get my plane finished first! After that, I'll be making them. No way will I be flying by Gathering time, but I really do feel like I'll be flying early next year. A lot of things are coming together now, and the kids are almost done with baseball season, and practice, and games... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:44:06 -0400 To: From: Subject: Gear Toe in Message-ID: <006001c1ffb8$fa1610e0$14851442@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C1FF97.727E29E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone find any info on best toe (degrees) for a taildragger? I = suspect I need a couple degrees on each wheel but dont want to overdo it = and cause premature tire wear and instability. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C1FF97.727E29E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:57:43 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Gear Toe in Message-ID: <0a4301c1ff56$4bc07920$0100a8c0@TD310> Dan Diehl's instructions call for a slight toe in, which translates to 1.4 degrees per side. Bengelis says shoot for straight ahead, I believe, so somewhere in there ought to be about right. Not much is the real answer to your question... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:22:54 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: Re: KR> Gear Toe in Message-ID: <19211-3CE7DF6E-997@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-22845-542 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Most spam cans call for up to 1/16 inch toe in measured across the brake discs. This is on a 6 inch wheel, so it would be less on a smaller wheel. Just so there is no toe out. This seems to make the plane wander a little on the ground, and we don't want that. Also, too much toe in would tend to wear the tires out too fast. I set a straight 2X6 across the front of the wheels at the mid point of the tire and hold a square against it and the wheel to check the toe in. This also checks the alignment of both wheels relative to the centerline of the aircraft. Also, try to have the plane loaded pretty well toward gross weight (or however you will be normally flying it) as this will affect how the gear aligns. John Sickafoose Tech Counselor Naples, Fl --WebTV-Mail-22845-542 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2203.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.133) by storefull-2176.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by smtpin-2203.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with SMTP id 42240FE01 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26623 invoked by alias); 19 May 2002 16:56:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 26614 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 16:56:44 -0000 Message-ID: <0a4301c1ff56$4bc07920$0100a8c0@TD310> Reply-To: "Mark Langford" From: "Mark Langford" To: References: <006001c1ffb8$fa1610e0$14851442@h1x1g0> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:57:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: KR> Gear Toe in Dan Diehl's instructions call for a slight toe in, which translates to 1.4 degrees per side. Bengelis says shoot for straight ahead, I believe, so somewhere in there ought to be about right. Not much is the real answer to your question... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --WebTV-Mail-22845-542-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:52:46 -0400 To: From: Subject: Gathering? Message-ID: <007301c1ffba$2ff3eec0$14851442@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1FF98.A863A8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there any people from Florida/Georgia either flying or driving to = the gathering? Want to buddy up and drive/rent a plane - let me know. = I can rent a plane or dirve or ride along . Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1FF98.A863A8E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:31:13 -0400 To: "Jerry @ charter.net" , From: "George Majewski" Subject: Re: KR> O-200, Marty's plane and drag (was - Da pics:-) Message-ID: <003a01c43dc7$15be5d40$eb232d42@hh> > Are you just calculating the flat plate area for the prop, or the whole > airplane...... 'Cause it would be diffrent between tail draggers and > trigear, which I did not see on your form....if you were calcing for the > whole airframe.... Or, educate me..... > > Not to be picky, just curious.... > > Jerry Mahurin Hi Jerry, All is based on simple principle Thrust=Drag. It doesn't matter what airframe you have. If I know prop geometry used during test flight and engine HP I can calculate thrust and later flat plate area drag of the aircraft. George ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 19:02:31 -0400 To: From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> O-200, Marty's plane and drag (was - Da pics:-) Message-ID: Well, so much for my guess since Old Blue is lighter..... However, when creating lift, for climb, you will be creating drag also (that's the law of aerodynamics); and that drag will be decreasing speed.... TANSTAFL Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org On Sat, 18 May 2002 22:59:08 -0500 "JEAN VERON" wrote: > Old Blue is 660 lbs. Martys is 750 lbs. Speed is a >function of H.P. & drag. R.O.C is a function of H.P. and >weight. >Jean >N4DD > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jerry @ charter.net >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:42 PM >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> O-200, Marty's plane and drag (was - Da >pics:-) > >Just a guess on my part, but I'll bet 'Ol Blue is getting >kinda heavy. You >know it has been around, and a lot of mods. Each mod is >gonna make it a >little heavier..... > >Jerry Mahurin >Lugoff, SC >See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org >----- Original Message ----- >From: "larry flesner" >To: ; > >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:02 AM >Subject: Re: KR> O-200, Marty's plane and drag (was - Da >pics:-) > > >> >Just an observation: There is another guy on the list >>who has O-200 >engine >> >and has Marty's old prop. His top speed is limited to >>only 160Mph while >> >Marty was flying over 190 with it. >> ) >> Where is the problem? I do not know. >> >George >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++== >> >> George, >> >> You're probably talking about " Ol Blue" , Dan Diehl's >>old KR2 which >> was one of the first KR2's built. It now belongs to >>Jean Vernon >> and is a stable mate with Marty in Tulsa. Jean replaced >>the VW with >> an 0-200 and has gone through several props but still >>hasn't gotten >> the performance expected. I don't think he has flown it >>enough >> to find the answer yet. The aircraft was for sale a few >>months >> back. Jean is on the list and maybe could provide more >>info. >> >> Larry Flesner >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >>"reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >>krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >>krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at >>http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >> and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >"reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: >krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:44:09 -0500 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: finding flat plate Message-ID: <001501c1ff5c$c809bcc0$0600a8c0@schpankme> I for one, would love to know the equation to generate flat plate drag of an airframe, based on (Thrust = HP) prop geometry. Regards, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- All is based on simple principle Thrust=Drag. It doesn't matter what airframe you have. If I know prop geometry used during test flight and engine HP I can calculate thrust and later flat plate area drag of the aircraft. George ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:15:33 +0200 To: From: "JC Marais" Subject: International courier Message-ID: <005e01c1ff69$8d9b51e0$10b8ef9b@jc> Hi Guys, YES,YES, YES, this is KR related. I bought an IVO-prop, alternator and Valeo starter from a guy in USA, Menlo Park, CA, 94025. The stuff must come to me, in South Africa, Centurion 0149. The UPS rate calculator tells me they need about $450 to $475. (If I am interpreting the page correctly). I used the following approximate specs: 30 lb, 36x10x15 in. I do not need an overnight-type of delivery. Work on the plane will take another few months. Does anybody know of a reliable international transport company which will be more reasonable with costs? I started ground school 2 weeks ago, so cost is a MAJOR factor. Regards. JC Marais South Africa jcmarais@intekom.co.za Tel: (+27)12 - 660-1463 (H) (+27)12 - 350-1587 (W) Cell phone : 082-401-5259 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Gross weight Message-ID: <20020519201612.46059.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, does anyone know what the gross weight should be for a kr2 with cont.0200, or what would be considered a safe limit? Is this figured by Horsepower, wing loading, or by a combination of factors? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:21:59 -0500 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Gross weight Message-ID: <002701c1ff72$d4d75140$0600a8c0@schpankme> See: http://www.fly-kr.com/kr2.htm Suggested GW = 900 pounds Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Hi, does anyone know what the gross weight should be for a kr2 with cont.0200, or what would be considered a safe limit? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:54:54 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: gross weight Message-ID: <20020519205454.87491.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Hi again, I have all the manuals and suggested gross weights for the kr2, I would like to know what is the heaviest gross weight that anyone is actually flying at. I would think there are very few kr2's that are actually using 900 lbs. as their gross weight maximum limit, unless they are being flown as single place only. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************