From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 15 Jun 2002 20:58:38 -0000 Issue 451 Date: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:59 PM krnet Digest 15 Jun 2002 20:58:38 -0000 Issue 451 Topics (messages 10764 through 10793): newsletter 10764 by: Edwin Blocher 10790 by: ROBERT COOPER Tail wheel spring and height 10765 by: Edwin Blocher Progress! 10766 by: clappw.bellsouth.net Re: Progress! Who are you? 10767 by: Rick 10777 by: Frank Ross Progress Part 2 10768 by: clappw.bellsouth.net It will be missed 10769 by: Mark Jones KR2S wings 10770 by: Bruce Barcham 10771 by: Linda Warner 10772 by: virgnvs.juno.com 10781 by: cartera 10783 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 10784 by: Rick Wilson 10785 by: norm-ruth 10786 by: Bob Farmer 10788 by: cartera ground power unit conversion 10773 by: les d kinkade 10774 by: Mark Langford 10775 by: Jim V. Wickert 10778 by: John P Moyle 10779 by: Robert X. Cringely 10791 by: bstarrs Construction Byproducts-Hazardous waste:-) 10776 by: Dana Overall Compass location 10780 by: Robert Stone New - KRNet Mailing List Archive Search Engine - LIVE 10782 by: Larry A. Capps Wing skins 10787 by: Patrick Driscoll Wife 10789 by: ROBERT COOPER 10793 by: norm-ruth Apology 10792 by: cartera Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:57:52 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: newsletter Message-ID: <003e01c213ee$891e3e40$989131cc@cyou.com> ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C213C4.9F1A1680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am going to talk to a lady (who is a food friend of ours) that = publishes a local monthly paper of what's going on at night here in the = Florida panhandle. If I can work a deal with her I would be glad to do = one of the following. =20 1) Publish a monthly Newsletter under another name. 2) Publish the newsletter as we have known it, but buying any rights for = it is not an option for me.=20 Comments suggestions, etc.that I recieve in the next week will let me = determine whether to proceed or not. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, Florida blocher@cyou.com ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C213C4.9F1A1680-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:26:53 -0400 To: "Edwin Blocher" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> newsletter Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C21489.75449860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed =20 That sounds like a great ideal. I suggest you call it the KR NEWS AND BUI= LDING TECHNIQUES. Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Edwin Blocher Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 6:07 PM To: KRNet Subject: KR> newsletter I am going to talk to a lady (who is a food friend of ours) that publishe= s a local monthly paper of what's going on at night here in the Florida p= anhandle. If I can work a deal with her I would be glad to do one of the = following. =20 1) Publish a monthly Newsletter under another name. 2) Publish the newsletter as we have known it, but buying any rights for = it is not an option for me. =20 Comments suggestions, etc.that I recieve in the next week will let me det= ermine whether to proceed or not. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, Florida blocher@cyou.com ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C21489.75449860-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:09:22 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Tail wheel spring and height Message-ID: <004701c213f0$43d66cc0$989131cc@cyou.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C213C6.3A644F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm looking at a tailwheel spring 7/8" wide by 1/4" thick. Is this = enough for a 1200# gross wt. 2S? What is the ideal height from the aft end of the fuselage to the ground? = As this one is bent I get 9". What would be the proper procedure for bending a piece of spring steel = (probbably 70 years old)? And since it is Friday I need something way off topic. I would like to = buy some Apple wood ( tree limbs or anything that could be cut and = shipped UPS). Thanks a bunch, ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, Florida blocher@cyou.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C213C6.3A644F60-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:42:44 -0400 To: From: Subject: Progress! Message-ID: <004d01c2147b$01a33000$09851442@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C21459.61F3AEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I have been able to get a lot done in one month with my "new" = KR2S. I purchased a boat stage 2S from a gentleman in Michigan a month = ago and so far have been able to : Convert from tri gear back to = taildragger and made my own steel gear brackets (6 lbs each) for is . I = saved about 25-28 lbs over the tri gear assy. I finally found a = leafspring from a truck that I made a tail spring from. Ordered my = first parts from Wicks (no problems in order) Got that tailwheel assy = built and installed. Installed rudder pedal group - still have brakes = and cables to hook up. Removed the sling seat and built a carbon fiber = seat with rear backs (similar to Mark L.) Removed and repositioned rear = spar and installed new airfoil templates. Removed WAFs to clean and = inspect - repainted and reinstalled with new hardware. Built up new = spars for the horizontal group. Wing spar are already finished. = Installed modified aileron belcranks and cables. Built speed brake = (belly board) Have templates drawn up for 7.5 gal aluminum removable = wing tanks and a 12 gallon header. I also went to Corvair college and = purchased my 110HP core. Tore it down and inspected it. The block is = now all cleaned and ready for building. All my "paintables" have been = painted and am just waiting for $ for crank/pistons and cylinders and = misc parts to assemble. I want to build this thing effeciently and = simply - less work and hassle yet high performance - the KR Motto. =20 I have done a lot lately on this thing and having a lot of fun doing = it! Too bad I have to work, fix up things around the house, take my = girl to ScoobyDoo, etc or I could get more done. I just hope my = excitment does not burn out. =20 =20 Hope everyone else is having fun with their KR (too)! ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C21459.61F3AEC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:50:40 -0600 To: "'clappw@bellsouth.net'" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Subject: RE: KR> Progress! Who are you? Message-ID: <41ED2F1280124E4D8B88691C9A9B5FDE011B53@mail.binoids.com> TO the unknown KR building speed demon I don't know who you are (Please tell us) but that's a lot more than most get done in a month. I'd like to see some pictures of > modified aileron belcranks and cables. > seat > fuel tank templates > belly board > ScoobyDoo Next month I expect you'll finish :) Awsome work and with the job/family to boot. I'm having fun too but sadly at much slower pace Take Care and Happy building Rick Hubka http://www.hubka.com/kr_main.htm rick@hubka.com 65 Butler Crescent NW Calgary AB T2L 1K4 Canada -----Original Message----- From: clappw@bellsouth.net [mailto:clappw@bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 8:43 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Progress! Well, I have been able to get a lot done in one month with my "new" KR2S. I purchased a boat stage 2S from a gentleman in Michigan a month ago and so far have been able to : Convert from tri gear back to taildragger and made my own steel gear brackets (6 lbs each) for is . I saved about 25-28 lbs over the tri gear assy. I finally found a leafspring from a truck that I made a tail spring from. Ordered my first parts from Wicks (no problems in order) Got that tailwheel assy built and installed. Installed rudder pedal group - still have brakes and cables to hook up. Removed the sling seat and built a carbon fiber seat with rear backs (similar to Mark L.) Removed and repositioned rear spar and installed new airfoil templates. Removed WAFs to clean and inspect - repainted and reinstalled with new hardware. Built up new spars for the horizontal group. Wing spar are already finished. Installed modified aileron belcranks and cables. Built speed brake (belly board) Have templates drawn up for 7.5 gal aluminum removable wing tanks and a 12 gallon header. I also went to Corvair college and purchased my 110HP core. Tore it down and inspected it. The block is now all cleaned and ready for building. All my "paintables" have been painted and am just waiting for $ for crank/pistons and cylinders and misc parts to assemble. I want to build this thing effeciently and simply - less work and hassle yet high performance - the KR Motto. I have done a lot lately on this thing and having a lot of fun doing it! Too bad I have to work, fix up things around the house, take my girl to ScoobyDoo, etc or I could get more done. I just hope my excitment does not burn out. Hope everyone else is having fun with their KR (too)! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:56:01 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: RE: KR> Progress! Who are you? Message-ID: <20020615155601.71991.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, Rick, I'm with you on this. I know Bill Clapp is probably very bashful and doesn't want us to think he's bragging, but it does help to put your name at the bottom of your posts. A LOCATION is also helpful, ESPECIALLY when SELLING or trying to BUY something. My e-mail provider offers a SIGNATURE option that automatically puts whatever you want at the bottom and I notice several KRnetters include not only NAME LOCATION TAIL NUMBER E-MAIL ADDRESS but ALSO: status of their KR building (Mark Jones, for one, Dana (tin-can) Overall, for another) So get on board folks, use your signature option and let us know WHO you are and WHERE you are, at least. Thanks Frank Ross in HOT, HUMID San Antonio, Texas, USA, collecting lots of KR parts so maybe someday I'll have a museum of KR parts. Anybody got a set of wing skins? --- Rick wrote: > TO the unknown KR building speed demon > > I don't know who you are (Please tell us) but that's __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:04:00 -0400 To: From: Subject: Progress Part 2 Message-ID: <008201c21486$449fed20$09851442@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C21464.BBF3D700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have gotten a lot done lately but wish I had time to learn a couple = other things, like finishing my web page ( having to do with VW = restorations not airplanes) and taking more pics, and the like. But = when I got moving on this KR I just couldn't stop too long. Maybe I'll = slow down and get some info out. It would be nice to get this thing up = and flying by this time next year. We will see. BILL ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C21464.BBF3D700-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:18:59 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: It will be missed Message-ID: <001b01c21423$c68040a0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C213F9.DD2D1960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a couple of hours ago I inserted the most recent newsletter = (possibly the last) into my KR Newsletter collection. You see, I have a = complete set from day one!!! Anyway, for the last two hours, I have been = thumbing through all of those newsletters and I must say there is a = wealth on information in them. These newsletters are priceless to the KR = builder and someone really needs to keep this newsletter alive. I just = wish I had the capabilities and time to do it. Please........let's keep = this newsletter alive. I am all for the online newsletter also. So let's = do both...there can never be enough sources of information to the KR = enthusiasts and builders. Those who step up and take over these task = will be supported !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C213F9.DD2D1960-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:31:45 +1000 To: From: "Bruce Barcham" Subject: KR2S wings Message-ID: Hi KRneters, My name is Bruce and I have bought a boat stage KR2 with completed wing spars and glassed tail parts. I have come across a set of Dan Deil wing skins for a KR2s and would like very much to fit them to my KR2. I am wondering if others have increased the size of the KR2 wing and kept the original KR2 fuselarge. Could anyone comment on this as a way to improve the lift performance of the KR2 and would I need to increase the size of the tail to maintain the ratio of wing area to tail area? Would the plane be more pitch sensitive with such a set up? Yours in KRland Bruce B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:09:33 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: KR> KR2S wings Message-ID: <6927-3D0B2E7D-1718@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-15813-853 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi Bruce. Many people have used the Diehl wing skins on the KR2 and KR2S alike. I know of no handling differences associated. with this setup. Probably the major difference in handling between the two would come from the increased length of the KR2S fuselage. All it will take to use the Diehl skins will be making the front spar to the correct dimension and tapering the rear spar a little more forward by bending the spar attach fittings a little more. Hopes this helps a little. John Sickafoose Naples, Fl --WebTV-Mail-15813-853 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2104.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.114) by storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by smtpin-2104.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with SMTP id DFA79FE1E for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22034 invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2002 11:27:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 22025 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 11:27:44 -0000 From: "Bruce Barcham" To: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:31:45 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: KR> KR2S wings Hi KRneters, My name is Bruce and I have bought a boat stage KR2 with completed wing spars and glassed tail parts. I have come across a set of Dan Deil wing skins for a KR2s and would like very much to fit them to my KR2. I am wondering if others have increased the size of the KR2 wing and kept the original KR2 fuselarge. Could anyone comment on this as a way to improve the lift performance of the KR2 and would I need to increase the size of the tail to maintain the ratio of wing area to tail area? Would the plane be more pitch sensitive with such a set up? Yours in KRland Bruce B --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --WebTV-Mail-15813-853-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:16:24 -0400 To: barch@hwy.com.au From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings Message-ID: <20020615.081826.-345909.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Dan did not make KR-2S wing skins. Only Rand made them for sale. Yours must be for the 2, Virg On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:31:45 +1000 "Bruce Barcham" writes: > Hi KRneters, > > My name is Bruce and I have bought a boat stage KR2 with completed > wing > spars and glassed tail parts. I have come across a set of Dan Deil > wing > skins for a KR2s and would like very much to fit them to my KR2. I > am > wondering if others have increased the size of the KR2 wing and kept > the > original KR2 fuselarge. > > Could anyone comment on this as a way to improve the lift > performance of the > KR2 and would I need to increase the size of the tail to maintain > the ratio > of wing area to tail area? Would the plane be more pitch sensitive > with such > a set up? > > Yours in KRland > > Bruce B > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:29:56 -0600 To: Bruce Barcham From: cartera CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings Message-ID: <3D0B6B84.472CAFC1@cuug.ab.ca> Hello Gang & Bruce, I am pretty dumb about things like this but what is improved lift performance and why do you need it who told you that the it's pitch sensitive? It's the pilots education and experience, how many hours you got in a KR before you make such outrageous statements. I really don't know if you should be in KR land, maybe RV land ;)! Bruce Barcham wrote: > > Hi KRneters, > > My name is Bruce and I have bought a boat stage KR2 with completed wing > spars and glassed tail parts. I have come across a set of Dan Deil wing > skins for a KR2s and would like very much to fit them to my KR2. I am > wondering if others have increased the size of the KR2 wing and kept the > original KR2 fuselarge. > > Could anyone comment on this as a way to improve the lift performance of the > KR2 and would I need to increase the size of the tail to maintain the ratio > of wing area to tail area? Would the plane be more pitch sensitive with such > a set up? > > Yours in KRland > > Bruce B > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:18:22 -0700 To: "cartera" , "Bruce Barcham" From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings Message-ID: <003001c21499$0977e780$9d45a6d1@oemcomputer> Is this a joke response, or are you actually upset with Bruce's question? Seems like a reasonable question for kr-net to me. Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "cartera" To: "Bruce Barcham" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings > Hello Gang & Bruce, > I am pretty dumb about things like this but what is improved lift > performance and why do you need it who told you that the it's pitch > sensitive? It's the pilots education and experience, how many hours you > got in a KR before you make such outrageous statements. I really don't > know if you should be in KR land, maybe RV land ;)! > > Bruce Barcham wrote: > > > > Hi KRneters, > > > > My name is Bruce and I have bought a boat stage KR2 with completed wing > > spars and glassed tail parts. I have come across a set of Dan Deil wing > > skins for a KR2s and would like very much to fit them to my KR2. I am > > wondering if others have increased the size of the KR2 wing and kept the > > original KR2 fuselarge. > > > > Could anyone comment on this as a way to improve the lift performance of the > > KR2 and would I need to increase the size of the tail to maintain the ratio > > of wing area to tail area? Would the plane be more pitch sensitive with such > > a set up? > > > > Yours in KRland > > > > Bruce B > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: kr2s wings Message-ID: <20020615184434.24199.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, It's only my opinion, but if we all knew everything there is to know, we wouldn't need the net to ask questions. It would be nice to be able to ask questions without someone making you feel like a moron just for asking what sounded like a legitimate request for information. (but then I suppose we'd be in fantasyland) Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:04:42 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "norm-ruth" Subject: Fw: KR> KR2S wings Message-ID: <001701c214a7$e4589620$92dcd73f@prodigy.net> CRAP! We should all be able to post to the list without fear of derision or ridicule! Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" To: "cartera" ; "Bruce Barcham" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings > Is this a joke response, or are you actually upset with Bruce's question? > Seems like a reasonable question for kr-net to me. > > Respectfully, > Dave "Zipper" Goodman > zipperts@whidbey.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cartera" > To: "Bruce Barcham" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings > > > > Hello Gang & Bruce, > > I am pretty dumb about things like this but what is improved lift > > performance and why do you need it who told you that the it's pitch > > sensitive? It's the pilots education and experience, how many hours you > > got in a KR before you make such outrageous statements. I really don't > > know if you should be in KR land, maybe RV land ;)! > > > > Bruce Barcham wrote: > > > > > > Hi KRneters, > > > > > > My name is Bruce and I have bought a boat stage KR2 with completed wing > > > spars and glassed tail parts. I have come across a set of Dan Deil wing > > > skins for a KR2s and would like very much to fit them to my KR2. I am > > > wondering if others have increased the size of the KR2 wing and kept the > > > original KR2 fuselarge. > > > > > > Could anyone comment on this as a way to improve the lift performance of > the > > > KR2 and would I need to increase the size of the tail to maintain the > ratio > > > of wing area to tail area? Would the plane be more pitch sensitive with > such > > > a set up? > > > > > > Yours in KRland > > > > > > Bruce B > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > -- > > Adrian VE6AFY > > Calgary, Alberta > > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:09:02 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Bob Farmer" Subject: Re: KR> kr2s wings Message-ID: <006a01c214a0$1da87f60$525b62d8@oemcomputer> Rick I'm glad you said that, it sounds more eloquent than what I could of came up with. So I will just say that goes for me to. Bob Farmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Wilson" > Hi, It's only my opinion, but if we all knew > everything there is to know, we wouldn't need the net > to ask questions. It would be nice to be able to ask > questions without someone making you feel like a moron > just for asking what sounded like a legitimate request > for information. (but then I suppose we'd be in > fantasyland) Rick Wilson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: KR> kr2s wings ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:31:45 -0600 To: Dave and Tina Goodman From: cartera CC: Bruce Barcham , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings Message-ID: <3D0B9621.E4847249@cuug.ab.ca> Hello Gang & Zipper, Not sure why this question was asked or even deserves a response, to me it seem someone is just cruising to flame someone. If the question is reasonable to you then why did you not leave it alone. NO! I am not upset by the original question but I don't think it was thought out and when a no KR time person tells me that the KR is sensitive. It only has to do, you know, the nut behind the wheel. Flame away, your just itchin! Dave and Tina Goodman wrote: > > Is this a joke response, or are you actually upset with Bruce's question? > Seems like a reasonable question for kr-net to me. > > Respectfully, > Dave "Zipper" Goodman > zipperts@whidbey.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cartera" > To: "Bruce Barcham" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings > > > Hello Gang & Bruce, > > I am pretty dumb about things like this but what is improved lift > > performance and why do you need it who told you that the it's pitch > > sensitive? It's the pilots education and experience, how many hours you > > got in a KR before you make such outrageous statements. I really don't > > know if you should be in KR land, maybe RV land ;)! > > > > Bruce Barcham wrote: > > > > > > Hi KRneters, > > > > > > My name is Bruce and I have bought a boat stage KR2 with completed wing > > > spars and glassed tail parts. I have come across a set of Dan Deil wing > > > skins for a KR2s and would like very much to fit them to my KR2. I am > > > wondering if others have increased the size of the KR2 wing and kept the > > > original KR2 fuselarge. > > > > > > Could anyone comment on this as a way to improve the lift performance of > the > > > KR2 and would I need to increase the size of the tail to maintain the > ratio > > > of wing area to tail area? Would the plane be more pitch sensitive with > such > > > a set up? > > > > > > Yours in KRland > > > > > > Bruce B > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > -- > > Adrian VE6AFY > > Calgary, Alberta > > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:06:08 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: les d kinkade Subject: ground power unit conversion Message-ID: <20020615.090609.-645843.0.les-jayne-k@juno.com> Question to throw out for information. I took a gamble on e-bay and bought two surplus ground power units having heard years ago that they could be converted into aircraft use. The tags on the units read: 84 cubic in stock No 2805-00-872-5972 ser No xxxxxxxxx Mil Model 4A084 roman numeral 3 manual tm5-2805-259-14&15 Mfg by Continental mfg 6-63 Does any one have a clue as to the possibilities here? How do you get information that would pertain to these units? I am building a 2S and have a EA 81 with a reduction unit and prop up and running but the wife is not comfortable with the idea of me flying this bird as is so to keep her from firing up the chain saw I have been just weeks away from finishing the plane for years. Any help would be gladly accepted Les Kinkade Louisville KY ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:44:06 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> ground power unit conversion Message-ID: <000501c2147b$1bd63030$ef02a58c@tbekhpjnuqn30g> Les Kinkade wrote: > Question to throw out for information. I took a gamble on e-bay and > bought two surplus ground power units having heard years ago that they > could be converted into aircraft use. The tags on the units read: 84 > cubic in I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but 84 cubic inches is 1376 cc's, which is the size range of the very earliest VW engines, of about 40 hp. I'd stick with the Subaru and maybe change wives instead... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---- Original Message ----- From: "les d kinkade" To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: KR> ground power unit conversion > Question to throw out for information. I took a gamble on e-bay and > bought two surplus ground power units having heard years ago that they > could be converted into aircraft use. The tags on the units read: 84 > cubic in > stock No > 2805-00-872-5972 > ser No > xxxxxxxxx > Mil Model > 4A084 roman numeral 3 > manual > tm5-2805-259-14&15 > Mfg by > Continental > mfg 6-63 > Does any one have a clue as to the possibilities here? How do you get > information that would pertain to these units? > > I am building a 2S and have a EA 81 with a reduction unit and prop up > and running but the wife is not comfortable with the idea of me flying > this bird as is so to keep her from firing up the chain saw I have been > just weeks away from finishing the plane for years. > Any help would be gladly accepted > Les Kinkade > Louisville KY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:26:50 -0400 To: "Mark Langford" From: "Jim V. Wickert" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> ground power unit conversion Message-ID: <200206151127_MC3-1-257-B1B4@compuserve.com> You are right Mark this is one of the smaller Ground Power units. The un= it they converted for aircraft use is the 0-290 and the EAA has a book on wh= at to do to get it done. These units seem a little small for all the work y= ou have to do? Jim Wickert = Vision#159 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:13:35 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: John P Moyle Subject: Re: KR> ground power unit conversion Message-ID: <20020615.091336.1000.0.jmoyle1@juno.com> Les K, Mark L, and Netters..... I am an infrequent commentator on this list, having abandoned my original design of somewhat KR like dimensions......in favor of an "assembly project" and therefore subject to the disdain afforded Dana Overall...;-) However, Les Kincades tale of the Ground Power Units brings a pertinent recent experience to mind. A gentleman from my local EAA chapter bought a former military Generator Set, trailer and electrical unit included, from an E-Bay offering. The power source within this olive drab box is a Lycoming O-290......our friend was sure that the $1500 he paid was the bargain of a lifetime since it had only 600 hours on the hobbs meter. As many of you know this engine has only a single (ancient) magneto, and the head must be modified to accept a second set of spark plugs and a complete new wiring harness and a pair of late model mags should be acquired if he hopes to convert this "great deal" into a "cheap 135 hp"...... I discouraged him only because his main interest seemed to be the low cost angle, rather than the adventure of scrounging the correct parts, or the challenge of the project in general. I believed that he would encounter far more difficulty succeeding in this endeavor than simply building a big bore corvair.....but he turned his nose up at the idea of a crusty old chevy economy car providing any sort of reliable aero power. I tried to remind him that his GPU was of Korean War vintage, but he said "I fought in Korea young man, it was not so long ago......and these generators always started...." I don't get that logic, and my father claims these units were less reliable than our friend claims.......... So, a few months later I invited Pat Panzera to display his "Red Beauty" show motor at one of our Chapter functions. Naturally this changed a great many peoples perception of the Corvair as a motive force for light planes. It wasn't running, had no carb installed or exhaust system present at the time, but just looked so damned PRETTY that it really got folks attention, including the aforementioned "car motor" critic. A year has passed since then, our GPU owner has discovered major corrosion throughout his improperly stored generator engine, and after careful review of the true cost of zero timing this beast, which is actually rated for MUCH less than 135 hp, he's knocking on my door wanting to purchase my completed 3.1 liter (O-190 ??) Corvair conversion. He's dreaming, of course, since my engine is destined for a Zenith Zodiac XL just begun in my shop. I did direct him to the CorvAircraft web pages, and all the links available there............... There's no moral to this story, but I feel the efforts of restoring ex-military hardware are best tackled by someone with a broad spectrum of experience, or a guy ready to take on a real challenge, noting please that it WON"T be cheap in all likely hood !! Some builders have managed to do a creditable job converting the old GPU's, so I don't mean to say that it can't be done, just that we need to focus on what we expect to gain from the experience. Your mileage may vary.................... John Moyle, Corvair true believer, and "lowly aircraft assembler" mailto:jmoyle1@juno.com On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:44:06 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > Les Kinkade wrote: > > > Question to throw out for information. I took a gamble on e-bay > and > > bought two surplus ground power units having heard years ago that > they > > could be converted into aircraft use. The tags on the units read: > 84 > > cubic in > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but 84 cubic inches is 1376 > cc's, which > is the size range of the very earliest VW engines, of about 40 hp. > I'd > stick with the Subaru and maybe change wives instead... > > Mark Langford > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "les d kinkade" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:06 AM > Subject: KR> ground power unit conversion > > > > Question to throw out for information. I took a gamble on e-bay > and > > bought two surplus ground power units having heard years ago that > they > > could be converted into aircraft use. The tags on the units read: > 84 > > cubic in > > stock > No > > 2805-00-872-5972 > > ser > No > > xxxxxxxxx > > Mil > Model > > 4A084 roman numeral 3 > > > manual > > tm5-2805-259-14&15 > > Mfg > by > > Continental > > mfg > 6-63 > > Does any one have a clue as to the possibilities here? How do you > get > > information that would pertain to these units? > > > > I am building a 2S and have a EA 81 with a reduction unit and > prop up > > and running but the wife is not comfortable with the idea of me > flying > > this bird as is so to keep her from firing up the chain saw I have > been > > just weeks away from finishing the plane for years. > > Any help would be gladly accepted > > Les Kinkade > > Louisville KY > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:41:32 -0400 To: les d kinkade ,krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> ground power unit conversion Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020615114132.007e3c60@mail.cringely.com> I am on my seventh homebuilt and third wife and can tell you that there is no way switching engines is going to make her feel any better about your -2S. If she is complaining about the engine and you change engines, she'll find something else to fault. The fact that you've been putting off the inevitable confrontation for so long has been giving her (and not you) what she wants. She doesn't have to fly in it. Go to PIC and get a lot of life insurance that pays even if you crash your KR, point out to her that you are worth more dead than alive, and go flying. Bob At 09:06 AM 6/15/02 -0700, les d kinkade wrote: >Question to throw out for information. I took a gamble on e-bay and >bought two surplus ground power units having heard years ago that they >could be converted into aircraft use. The tags on the units read: 84 >cubic in > stock No >2805-00-872-5972 > ser No >xxxxxxxxx > Mil Model >4A084 roman numeral 3 > manual >tm5-2805-259-14&15 > Mfg by >Continental > mfg 6-63 >Does any one have a clue as to the possibilities here? How do you get >information that would pertain to these units? > >I am building a 2S and have a EA 81 with a reduction unit and prop up >and running but the wife is not comfortable with the idea of me flying >this bird as is so to keep her from firing up the chain saw I have been >just weeks away from finishing the plane for years. >Any help would be gladly accepted >Les Kinkade >Louisville KY > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:34:31 -0700 To: From: "bstarrs" Subject: Fw: KR> ground power unit conversion Message-ID: <003701c214ac$0dfe5f60$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Bob, I had a friend whose wife kept bugging him about his half interest in a Cesna 140. She finally issued the ultimatum " Either that plane goes or I go" my friend replyed " Well you said it babby, I didn't" and they got a divorse. The story has an even happier ending . They got to geather again a few years latter and remarried, only by this time my friend had aquired a T 56 that burned 35 GPH. She should have quit while she was ahead. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert X. Cringely" To: "les d kinkade" ; Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: Re: KR> ground power unit conversion > I am on my seventh homebuilt and third wife and can tell you that there is > no way switching engines is going to make her feel any better about your > -2S. If she is complaining about the engine and you change engines, she'll > find something else to fault. The fact that you've been putting off the > inevitable confrontation for so long has been giving her (and not you) what > she wants. She doesn't have to fly in it. Go to PIC and get a lot of life > insurance that pays even if you crash your KR, point out to her that you > are worth more dead than alive, and go flying. > > > Bob > > > > > At 09:06 AM 6/15/02 -0700, les d kinkade wrote: > >Question to throw out for information. I took a gamble on e-bay and > >bought two surplus ground power units having heard years ago that they > >could be converted into aircraft use. The tags on the units read: 84 > >cubic in > > stock No > >2805-00-872-5972 > > ser No > >xxxxxxxxx > > Mil Model > >4A084 roman numeral 3 > > manual > >tm5-2805-259-14&15 > > Mfg by > >Continental > > mfg 6-63 > >Does any one have a clue as to the possibilities here? How do you get > >information that would pertain to these units? > > > >I am building a 2S and have a EA 81 with a reduction unit and prop up > >and running but the wife is not comfortable with the idea of me flying > >this bird as is so to keep her from firing up the chain saw I have been > >just weeks away from finishing the plane for years. > >Any help would be gladly accepted > >Les Kinkade > >Louisville KY > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:46:13 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Construction Byproducts-Hazardous waste:-) Message-ID: I thought I made a mess when I built the KR:-) Check this out. Nutplates get attached to the main spar after countersinking. The large countersinks are for #8s as the leading inboard edge is the fuel tank. This makes the tank removeable in case of a leak developing somewhere down the line. This stuff will track all over the house. http://rvflying.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/wings7_5.jpg Having fun though. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:21:40 -0500 To: "KRNet" , "Mark Langford" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Compass location Message-ID: <000801c21491$1ce55440$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21467.33BB5FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark: =20 I mounted my compass is the same place that you have yours and this = proved to be unsatisfactory because it was picking up magnetic = interference from the other instruments. I ended up mounting it top = center of the front part of the canopy like most aircraft. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21467.33BB5FE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:15:49 -0500 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Cc: "Rick Maddy \(E-mail\)" Subject: New - KRNet Mailing List Archive Search Engine - LIVE Message-ID: <001801c21498$add028c0$0600a8c0@schpankme> KRNet, Below will tell you about a new and exciting way to search through the KRNet mailing list archives. This is currently meant to compliment the two methods we have today (John Bouyea's and Bryan Abshier's). This new Archive search engine (www.maddyhome.com/krsrch) allows you to perform simple, and complex searches through the messages posted to the mailing list. The database is updated each night with the previous days messages. The most common type of search will be a keyword search in the message body. For example, lets say you wanted to find all messages about "peel ply". If you entered peel ply in the keyword entry and pressed the Search button, you would be presented with all messages that contained the words peel and ply. The new search engine allows you to perform much more complex searches. The main use will allow you to specify keywords from the body of the message. As an example: find all message that contain the word epoxy but not the word resin enter this as: epoxy and not resin This search engine has some basic knowledge of the English language. If you search on the word sand, you will get matches for any messages containing the words sand, sanding, sanded, sander, or sands. You may specify how to sort the results. The choices are: o by date o subject o from The results will have a little arrow next to the column indicating how the results are being sorted. Clicking on a column header in the results list will cause the results to be resorted on the selected column. If the results are already being sorted on that column then the sort will be reversed. There is a link to HELP on the search screen. You may wish to read this over to discover all the power of the search engine. The new search engine can be found at www.maddyhome.com/krsrch , please feel free to add a link to your site. Our Special Thanks go to Rick Maddy (Cozy IV builder friend) for donating his time and equipment, so you, the 400+ KR Builders around the world can now utilize a fantastic, feature rich, search engine. Best Regards, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:25:31 -0500 To: "KR Net Mail" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: Wing skins Message-ID: <008301c214a2$7a3ef900$bbdc6843@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C21478.81095A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hang in there Bruce. It seems that there is only person on this net that = knows everything there is to know. The rest of us ask dumb(?) questions = like yours Pat Driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C21478.81095A20-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:06:56 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Wife Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C21486.AC3AC0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wife took a look at a KR and said that thing looks too closterphobic f= or me. My KR-2 will be a KR-2-1. A single place KR-2. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C21486.AC3AC0E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:49:36 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "norm-ruth" Subject: Wife Message-ID: <008101c214b6$8be8fa20$92dcd73f@prodigy.net> ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C2148C.A21ECE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a TV interview some time ago with Burt Ruton, the subject of his = former wife came up. She told him it was either her or airplanes. Burt = said it was the easiest decision he had ever made. = Norm ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C2148C.A21ECE20-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:48:40 -0600 To: KRNet From: cartera Subject: Apology Message-ID: <3D0BA828.8590E2EC@cuug.ab.ca> Gang, Sorry, I apologize to all those who are so oversensitive to my comments. I'm gone! -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************