From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 17 Jun 2002 02:06:36 -0000 Issue 453 Date: Sunday, June 16, 2002 7:06 PM krnet Digest 17 Jun 2002 02:06:36 -0000 Issue 453 Topics (messages 10820 through 10849): Re: Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! 10820 by: JC Marais 10832 by: w.g. kirkland questions 10821 by: Audrey and Harold Woods Re: changing engines/wives 10822 by: Mike Mims 10849 by: Robert X. Cringely cowlings for kr2 10823 by: Rick Wilson 10827 by: Rick Wilson 10836 by: Daniel Heath 10841 by: Rick Wilson 10843 by: Rick Wilson 10844 by: larry flesner Re: Lighten up 10824 by: Dale Baldwin graphite and Kevlar cowling 10825 by: Darren Pond 10830 by: David Mullins 10839 by: Robert X. Cringely Suppliers for piston rings 10826 by: Rick Wilson Please stay Adrian and Dave! 10828 by: Shawn Christopherson 10834 by: Daniel Heath Re: KR Newsletter - from Monte Miller 10829 by: Shawn Christopherson 10833 by: Daniel Heath 10840 by: Edwin Blocher kr2s cowling 10831 by: Rick Wilson About KR Kit... 10835 by: Frank Ross Re: napalm cannister 10837 by: Frank Ross 10842 by: larry flesner Re:new to the list 10838 by: Frank Ross antenna construction 10845 by: Rick Wilson 10847 by: w.g. kirkland Carburetor vs. injector 10846 by: Daniel Heath antenna ? 10848 by: clappw.bellsouth.net Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:17:27 +0200 To: "Daniel Heath" , "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "JC Marais" Subject: Re: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! Message-ID: <015a01c21540$8c600b30$0db8ef9b@jc> Daniel, And here follows an explanation by somebody who has heard something, but who does not understand it fully himself. Injectors, as in EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection) are nothing but electric valves that opens and closes on command from the CONTROLLER. (Black box) Sucking has nothing to do with them opening, as in "sucking open". The amount of air drawn into the engine is measured, and according to a table, each injector is opened just the correct amount of time to allow the fuel, which is under (high) pressure, to squirt into the intake chambers. Older single point injectors would be in the place of the carburetor, multi point injection usually spray the fuel onto the inlet valve. This helps with cooling the valve (no, I do not know why cooling is needed on the valve), but very effective evaporation / atomization (sp?) is the result. JC Marais South Africa jcmarais@intekom.co.za Tel: (+27)12 - 660-1463 (H) (+27)12 - 350-1587 (W) Cell phone : 082-401-5259 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: RE: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > OK, what makes them injectors? I did not know that they "injected", but > rather, were sucked upon and delivered fuel into the air stream according to > the amount the valve allowed to slip by. > > I know they are called throttle body injectors, but I would like to know > what distinguishes a carburetor from an injector. > > Thanks, > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:46 AM > To: Daniel Heath > Subject: Re: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > > > Posa and Rev Flow are injectors not carburetors > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Heath" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:40 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > > > > There are no stupid questions. I wish I had this forum to ask those "so > > called" stupid questions, when I was building my first KR. > > > > On the Carburetor, some do not have float bowls, like the Posa and > RevFlow. > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com] > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:01 PM > > To: svidal@icon.co.za; krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > > > > > > Serge: > > You are not stupid for asking that question and any one on the net > who > > says you are is an ass. Ask all the questions you want to, that's what > this > > KRNet is for and if I were in charge the first ass who flamed anyone or > > called them stupid would be off the net for good. Constructive criticism > is > > acceptable but ruddiness is not and should not be tolerated ever. > > Now to answer the question you have every right to ask. Carburetors > > have a built it float that operates a needle valve when the float bowl > gets > > full of fuel the needle valve shuts off the flow of fuel. This is what > > prevents the carburetor from "over filling" Good luck with your project, > > and safe and happy flying. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Serge F. VIDAL" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:58 PM > > Subject: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > > > > > > > Guys, I hate sounding stooopid, but... I have to change the design of my > > > fuel system, and shift from an engine driven fuel pump to an electrical > > > pump, and there is something I can't figure out! > > > > > > The fuel pump pumps fuel continuously into the carburetor, right? Well, > > > where does that fuel go? Is there a valve somewhere that prevents the > carb > > > from over-filling, or what? How does that work? > > > > > > Serge Vidal > > > KR2 ZS-WEC > > > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:20:29 -0400 To: "Daniel Heath" , "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! Message-ID: <002301c21584$06dcdf80$16b45bd1@utboopki> Daniel; Throttle body and/or multi port fuel injectors are small electric valves that operate at high pressure , eg 70 psi, and are computer controlled to judge when and how long the valves are open. When, is like timing. Hw long controls how much fuel is injected and is a function of demand, mass air flow, rpm, temp etc. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: RE: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > OK, what makes them injectors? I did not know that they "injected", but > rather, were sucked upon and delivered fuel into the air stream according to > the amount the valve allowed to slip by. > > I know they are called throttle body injectors, but I would like to know > what distinguishes a carburetor from an injector. > > Thanks, > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:46 AM > To: Daniel Heath > Subject: Re: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > > > Posa and Rev Flow are injectors not carburetors > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Heath" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:40 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > > > > There are no stupid questions. I wish I had this forum to ask those "so > > called" stupid questions, when I was building my first KR. > > > > On the Carburetor, some do not have float bowls, like the Posa and > RevFlow. > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com] > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:01 PM > > To: svidal@icon.co.za; krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > > > > > > Serge: > > You are not stupid for asking that question and any one on the net > who > > says you are is an ass. Ask all the questions you want to, that's what > this > > KRNet is for and if I were in charge the first ass who flamed anyone or > > called them stupid would be off the net for good. Constructive criticism > is > > acceptable but ruddiness is not and should not be tolerated ever. > > Now to answer the question you have every right to ask. Carburetors > > have a built it float that operates a needle valve when the float bowl > gets > > full of fuel the needle valve shuts off the flow of fuel. This is what > > prevents the carburetor from "over filling" Good luck with your project, > > and safe and happy flying. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Serge F. VIDAL" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:58 PM > > Subject: KR> Well, another stupid question, I'm afraid! > > > > > > > Guys, I hate sounding stooopid, but... I have to change the design of my > > > fuel system, and shift from an engine driven fuel pump to an electrical > > > pump, and there is something I can't figure out! > > > > > > The fuel pump pumps fuel continuously into the carburetor, right? Well, > > > where does that fuel go? Is there a valve somewhere that prevents the > carb > > > from over-filling, or what? How does that work? > > > > > > Serge Vidal > > > KR2 ZS-WEC > > > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:17:16 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: questions Message-ID: <002a01c21548$e7083aa0$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C21527.5F71DA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A question asked ,no matter how stupid it may seem is a sign that some = one wants to pull themself out of ignorance. If anyone is going to = respond to the question they must try to bring understanding to the = questioner. This is the beauty of the KR Net. Harold Woods --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/02 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C21527.5F71DA40-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:28:43 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> changing engines/wives Message-ID: <20020616162843.39793.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> Or you could change wives and change hobbies. ;o) --- comcast wrote: > Why not buy a brand new Lycoming? Surely this is > much cheaper than changing > wives! > > Happy building (or flying if your lucky enough to be > done), Bob Roe > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:57:47 -0400 To: Mike Mims ,krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> changing engines/wives Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020616165747.007fe810@mail.cringely.com> I don't recall having seen a Lycoming powered KR. Even the O-235 is too heavy. So buying a brand new Lycoming, while it might comfort the wife, brings with it a host of problems -- probably far more than using the original Subaru chosen by our hen-pecked compatriot. Bob At 09:28 AM 6/16/02 -0700, Mike Mims wrote: >Or you could change wives and change hobbies. ;o) > > >--- comcast wrote: >> Why not buy a brand new Lycoming? Surely this is >> much cheaper than changing >> wives! >> >> Happy building (or flying if your lucky enough to be >> done), Bob Roe >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , >> NOT "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >> krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at >> http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >> and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: cowlings for kr2 Message-ID: <20020616174010.4822.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Can anyone tell me if a cowling made to fit a kr2 with the larger VW engines will work with a cont. 0200, and if not, is there a supplier that makes them for the cont. engines? I have a cowling for mine already made but the guy who built it left a lot of waves and small bumps and it makes the rest of the airframe look bad. If anyone has one for sale, or knows of one, I would like to buy it. I would also like to buy some wheelpants for a tri gear. Thanks, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:04:48 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: cowlings for kr2 Message-ID: <20020616190448.4720.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Capps, Thanks for the information on the cowling. I don't have a price list for any of these parts, Do you know how much a KR2S cowling is? Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:36:58 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> cowlings for kr2 Message-ID: Probably not and probably not. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Rick Wilson [mailto:rwdw2002@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 10:40 AM To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG Subject: KR> cowlings for kr2 Hi, Can anyone tell me if a cowling made to fit a kr2 with the larger VW engines will work with a cont. 0200, and if not, is there a supplier that makes them for the cont. engines? I have a cowling for mine already made but the guy who built it left a lot of waves and small bumps and it makes the rest of the airframe look bad. If anyone has one for sale, or knows of one, I would like to buy it. I would also like to buy some wheelpants for a tri gear. Thanks, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:11:27 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: cowlings for kr2 Message-ID: <20020617001127.50234.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Mr. Heath, Your answers were definitely short and to the point. Thanks Again, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:13:36 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: cowlings for kr2 Message-ID: <20020617001336.22682.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Daniel, You're probably right. Sincerely, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:14:38 -0500 To: Rick Wilson ,KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> cowlings for kr2 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020616191438.008eaaf0@mail.midwest.net> >Hi, Can anyone tell me if a cowling made to fit a kr2 >with the larger VW engines will work with a cont. >0200, and if not, is there a supplier that makes them >for the cont. engines? >Rick Wilson. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dan Diehl has a mold for cowls for an 0-200 but I don't know if he is selling them now or not. Jeff Scott and I each bought one from Dan several years ago. I have a 5 inch prop extention on my 0-200 so I had to move the cowl forward 2 inches and fill in, extend the nose several inches, and I cut the entire bottom out and rebuilt for standard air intake but it was easier than starting from scratch,or so I thought. I think this cowl started from a VW cowl, was modified by Steve Alderman for his C-85, modified some more my Marty Roberts for his 0-200 and I don't know if it was modified more by Dan or not. He was selling it as an 0-200 cowl and I recall paying about $400 for it. If you don't want to build from scratch you might try getting the largest VW cowl you can find at the lowest cost and start modifing. I'm betting that whatever cowl you buy you'll have to do some cutting and glassing on. To see what I ended up with, go to Mark Jones web site and look under KR's under constructon and click on my name. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:29:27 -0400 To: "Dave and Tina Goodman" , "cartera" From: "Dale Baldwin" Cc: "Bruce Barcham" , Subject: Re: KR> Lighten up Message-ID: <000001c2155c$bf816ce0$39e85b0c@computername> Guys, If we could lighten up a bit and take things with a grain of salt we might be able to keep those with some experience on the list. Thanks and happy Fathers Day Dale Baldwin, KR-2, ATL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" To: "cartera" Cc: "Bruce Barcham" ; Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR2S wings ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:40:19 -0700 To: "krnet" From: "Darren Pond" Subject: graphite and Kevlar cowling Message-ID: <003801c21576$07931880$79469d18@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2153B.5AC66380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI All Question one Kit Planes Falcon Grand reserve champion plane article. Dec 2001.....The = builder used 3 layer of Graphite and 2 layers of Kevlar to build his = 0.04 thick engine cowling . His is 10# lighter then the stock versions. = Why did he use Graphite? He purchased wing fiberglass from the Boeing = surplus store at $10 a roll of 2 oz glass cloth. Any idea where this = surplus store is? Question two I need to replace the piston rings on my Continental A65/70. Any idea = where the best supply house is? I need it shipped to Canada also. Darren Pond awaiting finial major mod inspection on C-FVML Taylor Mono plane and = waiting and waiting and waiting.......... working slowly on Pondhopper Dream KR2S plane=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2153B.5AC66380-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:57:15 -0400 To: Darren Pond From: David Mullins CC: krnet Subject: Re: KR> graphite and Kevlar cowling Message-ID: <3D0CED9A.7A1D72C2@attbi.com> Darren, The Boeing surplus store is located in Kent, Washington near Seattle/Tacoma. At least that is where it was when I visited the store a few years back. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Darren Pond wrote: > HI All > > Question one > > Kit Planes Falcon Grand reserve champion plane article. Dec 2001.....The builder used 3 layer of Graphite and 2 layers of Kevlar to build his 0.04 thick engine cowling . His is 10# lighter then the stock versions. Why did he use Graphite? He purchased wing fiberglass from the Boeing surplus store at $10 a roll of 2 oz glass cloth. Any idea where this surplus store is? > > Question two > > I need to replace the piston rings on my Continental A65/70. Any idea where the best supply house is? I need it shipped to Canada also. > > Darren Pond > awaiting finial major mod inspection on C-FVML Taylor Mono plane and waiting and waiting and waiting.......... > working slowly on Pondhopper Dream KR2S plane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:19:00 -0400 To: "Darren Pond" ,"krnet" From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> graphite and Kevlar cowling Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020616171900.007ddb50@mail.cringely.com> 1) Because kevlar is a bitch to work with. I'm sure in this cowling application it is contributing almost nothing to the structure. Three layers of graphite alone is probably 50 percent more than he needed. Bob At 01:40 PM 6/16/02 -0700, Darren Pond wrote: >HI All > >Question one > >Kit Planes Falcon Grand reserve champion plane article. Dec 2001.....The builder used 3 layer of Graphite and 2 layers of Kevlar to build his 0.04 thick engine cowling . His is 10# lighter then the stock versions. Why did he use Graphite? He purchased wing fiberglass from the Boeing surplus store at $10 a roll of 2 oz glass cloth. Any idea where this surplus store is? > > Question two > >I need to replace the piston rings on my Continental A65/70. Any idea where the best supply house is? I need it shipped to Canada also. > >Darren Pond >awaiting finial major mod inspection on C-FVML Taylor Mono plane and waiting and waiting and waiting.......... >working slowly on Pondhopper Dream KR2S plane > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:00:10 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Suppliers for piston rings Message-ID: <20020616190010.27495.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Darren, I,ve always had good service on continental engine parts from a place in California called Fresno Airparts Co. I have rebuilt a couple of different engines, a cont. A80-8, and a cont. A75-8, I believe most of the parts for the two engines are the same except the pistons and rings, but anyway they were the cheapest parts I could find moneywise. They were good quality parts. I looked in a copy of Trade-A-plane and their price advertised for a standard ring set for four cylinders is $57.50 for A-65 through A-80 engines. They also have all the gaskets and other parts you would need. I can vouch for them as being a reputable place to do business. Their ph.# is 559-237-4863, the ad says they are open 8:30-5:00 Mon.-Fri.& closed Sat. I hope this will be of some help, Sincerely, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:42:17 -0400 To: "KR Net Mailing List" , , From: "Shawn Christopherson" Subject: Please stay Adrian and Dave! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C2154C.64F54A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Flame wars are never fun and the net is no different than the real world. Feelings can get hurt whether it is intentional or not. I have really appreciated the info from both Adrian Carter and Dave Goodman. This list needs both of you and everyone else that wants to join. Please stay involved so that we can continue to learn from you both. Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA N82004 shawn@west-tek.com http://ifly99.tripod.com ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C2154C.64F54A90-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:34:40 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Please stay Adrian and Dave! Message-ID: I second that. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Christopherson [mailto:shawn@west-tek.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:42 PM To: KR Net Mailing List; zipperts@whidbey.net; cartera@cuug.ab.ca Subject: KR> Please stay Adrian and Dave! Hello all, Flame wars are never fun and the net is no different than the real world. Feelings can get hurt whether it is intentional or not. I have really appreciated the info from both Adrian Carter and Dave Goodman. This list needs both of you and everyone else that wants to join. Please stay involved so that we can continue to learn from you both. Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA N82004 shawn@west-tek.com http://ifly99.tripod.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:46:09 -0400 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Shawn Christopherson" Subject: RE: KR> KR Newsletter - from Monte Miller Message-ID: Hello all, I think that this message from Monte is right on as well. I know we would all like to have free and complete access to everything, but somebody has to at least compile it. That is worth something. Anyway, as we continue forward, I think everyone agrees that the Newsletter should continue and be in electronic and print format. I can't help much, but I will support it as well. Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA N82004 shawn@west-tek.com http://ifly99.tripod.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:34:01 -0700 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> KR Newsletter - from Monte Miller Message-ID: I have no problem with a person making a profit, in fact, I think profit is good. The only problem I have with Monte, is his "screw you" attitude. No one owes Monte anything, but he does owe the KR community, the people who made his newsletter, the courtesy to offer the rights for a fair price. Without the KR community, Monte has nothing of value in this newsletter. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Christopherson [mailto:shawn@west-tek.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:46 PM To: KR Builders List (E-mail) Subject: RE: KR> KR Newsletter - from Monte Miller Hello all, I think that this message from Monte is right on as well. I know we would all like to have free and complete access to everything, but somebody has to at least compile it. That is worth something. Anyway, as we continue forward, I think everyone agrees that the Newsletter should continue and be in electronic and print format. I can't help much, but I will support it as well. Shawn Christopherson Gardner, MA N82004 shawn@west-tek.com http://ifly99.tripod.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:30:40 -0500 To: "Daniel Heath" , "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - from Monte Miller Message-ID: <006e01c2158d$d4f82740$7d9131cc@cyou.com> That is exactly my feelings. It would be great to have the "KR Newletter". Monty wants to make money from it but has decided to discontinue it???? I wish he would say what he wants for the "copyright". Maybe we could work something out. In the interim I am looking at another route but haven't had much response. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "KR Builders List (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: RE: KR> KR Newsletter - from Monte Miller > I have no problem with a person making a profit, in fact, I think profit is > good. The only problem I have with Monte, is his "screw you" attitude. No > one owes Monte anything, but he does owe the KR community, the people who > made his newsletter, the courtesy to offer the rights for a fair price. > Without the KR community, Monte has nothing of value in this newsletter. > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Christopherson [mailto:shawn@west-tek.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:46 PM > To: KR Builders List (E-mail) > Subject: RE: KR> KR Newsletter - from Monte Miller > > > Hello all, > > I think that this message from Monte is right on as well. I know we would > all like to have free and complete access to everything, but somebody has to > at least compile it. That is worth something. Anyway, as we continue > forward, I think everyone agrees that the Newsletter should continue and be > in electronic and print format. I can't help much, but I will support it as > well. > > Shawn Christopherson > Gardner, MA > N82004 > shawn@west-tek.com > http://ifly99.tripod.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:36:28 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: kr2s cowling Message-ID: <20020616213628.97368.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I would like to buy a cowl for a kr2s if anyone has one for sale. My email is rwdw2002@yahoo.com, or if anyone would like to call, my ph# is 205-485-2263, in Alabama. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:34:19 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: About KR Kit... Message-ID: <20020616223419.9173.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Just so you know, there is a WORLD of difference in quality between the pre-molded parts for a KR-2 and a KR-2S. No comparison. The "S" parts are FAR superior. You can build a very nice KR2-S from the parts kit. The KR-2 or KR-1 will try your patience and require much more skill. My two cents worth. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:39:28 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> napalm cannister Message-ID: <20020616223928.9782.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> So, would that be a KR-N? KR-KaBOOM? Does this make you a (na)Palm Pilot? Okay, I'll quit, but you did invite "Any remarks" Sounds like a fun project. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Thomas C Adams wrote: > i was given a napalm can by my brother. > > at first i thought it was a joke, but after looking > at it, it might make a good fuselage. > > plenty of room, about 19 feet long and 100 lbs. > > already has tail feathers, though not the kind > needed, but the attachment seems straight forward. > > tricycle gear probably preferred for personal > reasons. > > low wing seems reasonable, 4 to 6 degrees dihedral, > 4 foot chord, 20 foot span. > > any remarks will be welcome. > > tom adams __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:09:12 -0500 To: Frank Ross ,krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> napalm cannister Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020616190912.008e8520@mail.midwest.net> >> i was given a napalm can by my brother. >> tom adams +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++== Perhaps someone on the list could verify but I seem to recall one or more aircraft being built (back in the fifties mayby) from drop tanks. I don't remember where I came by that info years ago but it seemed rather novel at the time. I'm thinking they were fuel drop tanks. There seems to be a lot of things I don't remember any more. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: KR> Re:new to the list Message-ID: <20020616224503.10889.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, Lucky you. You are right in the middle of a BUNCH of great KR builders (Dallas) and not too far from a bunch more (Tulsa area). Hopefully some of them will contact you, but most are too busy screwing up their own KRs. Or making up excuses. See you at Oshkosh. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX. Still making up new excuses. --- mike galloway wrote: > Hi all, > My name is Mike Galloway of Mesquite Texas and i > am looking for a suitable place > in the Dallas area to complete the work, and as soon > expect to attend Oshkosh this > year where I hope to meet many of you on the list. I > really look forward to > again becoming part of the KR building community. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:23:29 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: antenna construction Message-ID: <20020617012329.91646.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Hello again, Can anyone tell me what a baluns is on an antenna and what is it used for? Also, how is it installed? Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:01:09 -0400 To: "Rick Wilson" , From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> antenna construction Message-ID: <004f01c215a2$da754940$0cb45bd1@utboopki> Rick; A balun connects an unbalanced feed line to a balanced feed line. you used to see them frequently on TV's where the 300 ohm parallel line connected to the TV. What or where were you planning to need one? W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Wilson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: KR> antenna construction > Hello again, Can anyone tell me what a baluns is on an > antenna and what is it used for? Also, how is it > installed? Thanks, Rick Wilson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:54:10 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Carburetor vs. injector Message-ID: I would like to continue this discussion, because I am not yet convinced that the POSA and RevFlow are injectors and not carburetors. Does not a fuel injection system, inject fuel, as to force it into the combustion chamber? If the distinguishing factor is whether or not it has a float bowl, then what is the Ellison TBI? It has a float bowl. These so called injectors, only make fuel available to the air stream being sucked into the cylinder, none of them force or inject fuel. I am not trying to be confrontational, I am just trying to understand why a POSA is not a carburetor. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:54:13 -0400 To: From: Subject: antenna ? Message-ID: <004601c21606$76ec2ec0$16851442@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C215E4.EF5447C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to add a question the the antenna dilema. I purchased 4 = feet of copper foil and an arrow shaft for my antenna construction. Are = there any detailed instructions as far as how to go about constructing = and installing this thing and how to attach to coax. Also, is cable = coax the same as aircraft coax? I'll be ready to glass my horizontal = this week and then comes the vertical so I would like to have everything = ready by then. BILL ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C215E4.EF5447C0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************