From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 24 Jun 2002 00:38:37 -0000 Issue 461 Date: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:39 PM krnet Digest 24 Jun 2002 00:38:37 -0000 Issue 461 Topics (messages 11060 through 11089): Re: re:spars/Welcome 11060 by: Frank Ross Re: Chance 11061 by: Frank Ross Re: wing stubs/Spoilers 11062 by: Frank Ross Re: Turbine powerd KR-2 11063 by: Frank Ross 11076 by: Robert X. Cringely Re: df canopy 11064 by: Stephen J Robinson 11085 by: BABYWOLF.aol.com Re: canopy 11065 by: Bob Farmer 11075 by: Peg and Mike Meyer canopy seal 11066 by: Rick Wilson 11071 by: Frank Ross 11080 by: Phillip Matheson Revmaster Turbo Engine 11067 by: Rick Wilson 11081 by: Rick Wilson 11082 by: Phillip Matheson 11083 by: Rick Wilson 11087 by: WMartensJr.aol.com Not completely off topic 11068 by: Tim Brown kr2 for sale 11069 by: Rick Wilson spar dimensions 11070 by: w.g. kirkland Re: Epoxy Pump 11072 by: WA7YXF.aol.com wing stub/spoilers 11073 by: comcast Re: Turbine powered KR-2 11074 by: Daniel Heath Re: VW Reduction Drive 11077 by: Phillip Matheson re:kr>turbine powered kr2 11078 by: Thomas C Adams 11079 by: Jan Laan Re: Corvair engine update 11084 by: Phillip Matheson 11089 by: Mark Langford ebay item 11086 by: Rick Wilson eBay listings for KR-2, Quickie, engines 11088 by: Donald Blankenship Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:35:35 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> re:spars/Welcome Message-ID: <20020623133535.54264.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome Jim, and thanks for the very interesting link. Where in the world are you? Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, USA --- The Fishe Family wrote: > Hello, new member-first comment-just been enjoying > the info submitted. Back to > subject:Try:http://captivecolumn.com. Jim > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:39:55 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Chance Message-ID: <20020623133955.30590.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> John, Best to find them all now! And, we are ALL learning from this. Best of luck to you. Can't wait to see photos of that plane in the air. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, USA --- John and Janet Martindale wrote: > Folks > connections. Another mistake! Can't believe there > have now been six instances where I've managed to > get two simple things back to front. The others were > Cheers > John and Janet Martindale > AUSTRALIA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:06:11 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> wing stubs/Spoilers Message-ID: <20020623140611.22317.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Harold, What are the dimensions of your spoilers? Do you have any calculations on how much effect they'll have on lift? Thanks, Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX > From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" > Sent: 23 June 2002 00:05 > Subject: KR> wing stubs. > When making the wing stubs I installed upper spoiler > flaps. > Harold Woods. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:14:13 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Turbine powerd KR-2 Message-ID: <20020623141413.16336.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Robin, There is (or was) a turbo-prop(?) KR flying, so it is not out of the question. I know less than nothing about it, but my first question would be "how much fuel will it use?" Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, USA --- Robin Wills - The Guru wrote: > Good Day all. > Heve been skulking around trying to pick up as much > as i can prior to this, but now need some advice. > MicroJet Engineering (http://www.microjeteng.com/) > in the UK has what looks to be a nice little > turboshaft powerplant, putting out upto 170HP that > weighs 20Lbs. > I would like any thoughts on using this, through a > PSRU, to an Electric CSU and prop combination. > There would be some serious CG issues, but am > wondering if i am thinking of everything. > > Robin Wills > Queensland, Australia > robinwills@iprimus.com.au > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:36:58 -0700 To: Frank Ross , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Turbine powerd KR-2 Message-Id: 23.778 gallons-per-hour at full power. Bob At 7:14 AM -0700 6/23/02, Frank Ross wrote: >Robin, >There is (or was) a turbo-prop(?) KR flying, so it is >not out of the question. I know less than nothing >about it, but my first question would be "how much >fuel will it use?" >Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, USA >--- Robin Wills - The Guru >wrote: >> Good Day all. >> Heve been skulking around trying to pick up as much >> as i can prior to this, but now need some advice. > > MicroJet Engineering (http://www.microjeteng.com/) >> in the UK has what looks to be a nice little >> turboshaft powerplant, putting out upto 170HP that >> weighs 20Lbs. >> I would like any thoughts on using this, through a >> PSRU, to an Electric CSU and prop combination. >> There would be some serious CG issues, but am >> wondering if i am thinking of everything. >> >> Robin Wills >> Queensland, Australia >> robinwills@iprimus.com.au >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:26:02 -0400 To: synergydesign@sopris.net From: Stephen J Robinson Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> df canopy Message-ID: <20020623.102816.-238739.0.sjrobinson2@juno.com> You can count me on a group DF canopy buy, as well. Steve Robinsom Deerfield, NH 03037 1-603-463-9980 On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:46:20 -0700 "jim @ synergy design" writes: > I need a DF canopy as well. Jim > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:48:20 EDT To: sjrobinson2@juno.com, synergydesign@sopris.net From: BABYWOLF@aol.com CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> df canopy Message-ID: Count me in for a group df canopy buy also ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:27:14 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Bob Farmer" Subject: Re: KR> canopy Message-ID: <001f01c21ac2$12eb8e00$545e62d8@oemcomputer> Daniel, thanks for the input. The hinges are designed and interference has been checked. My core material is 1" polyurethane foam and I plan on cutting the door opening bigger on the outside than the inside to give myself a lip. I have not picked out a weather strip or latches yet. If anyone wants to comment here it would be welcome. Thanks Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "rfarmer" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: RE: KR> canopy > Bob, > > That looks good. If you and your CAD are able, you might want to consider > designing the overlap ( lips ) and hinge detail. If you don't have any > lips, it won't seal very well. If you do design in lips, you will want to > consider the amount of space needed to put in weather seal, if you think > that will be needed. Your latching mechanism may be something else that you > will want to design before you start, if you are going to build it in, > instead of building it on. > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rfarmer [mailto:rfarmer@naxs.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:47 AM > To: krnet > Subject: KR> canopy > > > Jerry Mahurin wrote > > It sure looks good on paper (or screen). .......... We > are opening only one door on the pilots side. By doing only > one door and hinging it as far back as you can, you get a > larger opening for us old geezers to get in and out of.... > > Jerry and some others suggested only one door so us old geezers could get in > and out easier and it will also make the canopy stronger and easier to > build. Sounded good to me and I don't have as much natural shade as I once > did so I added some to the canopy. Thanks to all for the suggestions, this > is where the mailing list shines, Have a look at the new mailing list > improved canopy at > http://www.foamhead.com/Builders%20pages/KR2%20Bob%20Farmer.html and see if > that look better. > > Thanks > > Bob > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:35:51 -0500 To: Bob Farmer , krnet From: Peg and Mike Meyer Subject: Re: KR> canopy Message-id: <010601c21af5$913d0440$a785fea9@o0c8u6> Check these guys out for a huge selection of latches and hardware - if nothing else, some of the designs on these latches might shed some light on what you're trying to accomplished. http://www.spdhardware.com/index2.htm Mike Meyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Farmer" To: "krnet" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: Re: KR> canopy > Daniel, thanks for the input. The hinges are designed and interference has > been checked. My core material is 1" polyurethane foam and I plan on cutting > the door opening bigger on the outside than the inside to give myself a lip. > I have not picked out a weather strip or latches yet. If anyone wants to > comment here it would be welcome. > > Thanks > > Bob Farmer > rfarmer@naxs.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Heath" > To: "rfarmer" > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 10:28 AM > Subject: RE: KR> canopy > > > > Bob, > > > > That looks good. If you and your CAD are able, you might want to consider > > designing the overlap ( lips ) and hinge detail. If you don't have any > > lips, it won't seal very well. If you do design in lips, you will want to > > consider the amount of space needed to put in weather seal, if you think > > that will be needed. Your latching mechanism may be something else that > you > > will want to design before you start, if you are going to build it in, > > instead of building it on. > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rfarmer [mailto:rfarmer@naxs.net] > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:47 AM > > To: krnet > > Subject: KR> canopy > > > > > > Jerry Mahurin wrote > > > > It sure looks good on paper (or screen). .......... We > > are opening only one door on the pilots side. By doing only > > one door and hinging it as far back as you can, you get a > > larger opening for us old geezers to get in and out of.... > > > > Jerry and some others suggested only one door so us old geezers could get > in > > and out easier and it will also make the canopy stronger and easier to > > build. Sounded good to me and I don't have as much natural shade as I once > > did so I added some to the canopy. Thanks to all for the suggestions, this > > is where the mailing list shines, Have a look at the new mailing list > > improved canopy at > > http://www.foamhead.com/Builders%20pages/KR2%20Bob%20Farmer.html and see > if > > that look better. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:44:28 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: canopy seal Message-ID: <20020623154428.66025.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I've been thinking of the best way to install a canopy seal. I wonder if anyone has tried using round surgical rubber tubing? It seems it would make a good seal if the canopy frame was recessed so that half of the tubing rested in a channel and half or maybe a little less was left exposed to push down against the mating surface. This kind of rubber is very soft and would last a long time. Is anyone using this or has anyone tried? Any Suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> canopy seal Message-ID: <20020623170736.58924.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, others, The Canard (www.canard.com) has a lot of good articles and helpful hints including one on canopy seals at: http://www.canard.com/articles/9802/kreidel.htm At the Canard fly-in (mostly Dragonflys and Quickies) at Ottawa, Kansas, last Sept at least one had an excellent drain built in to keep unwanted fluids (wash-water or rain) out of the cockpit. Hope this helps. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:21:54 +1000 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> canopy seal Message-ID: <005e01c21b04$61fbb460$5396dccb@Matheson> In OZ, we have two Companys called , Clark Rubber, Rear Spares These sell any kind of rubber , or door seal you could want.The also cover any Car seal that was every made. That is were I will start to look. Phil Mathgeson. matheson@dodo.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Wilson" To: Sent: 24 June 2002 01:44 Subject: KR> canopy seal > Hi, I've been thinking of the best way to install a > canopy seal. I wonder if anyone has tried using round > surgical rubber tubing? It seems it would make a good > seal if the canopy frame was recessed so that half of > the tubing rested in a channel and half or maybe a > little less was left exposed to push down against the > mating surface. This kind of rubber is very soft and > would last a long time. Is anyone using this or has > anyone tried? Any Suggestions would be appreciated. > Thanks, Rick Wilson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:01:47 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Revmaster Turbo Engine Message-ID: <20020623160147.46227.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, There is a Revmaster turbo engine for sale on Ebay. The listing says it is 80 h.p. The current bid is $1250.00, it is under ebay motors in the "aircraft" subheading. Just thought this might help someone who might be looking for an engine. Sometimes you can get a great buy on things there. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:35:00 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Revmaster Turbo Engine Message-ID: <20020623223500.485.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> I saw the engine this morning (Sunday) and it still had 1 day and 6 hrs. to go. I went to ebay and clicked on ebay motors, then after you get that page, it has sublistings. Go to aircraft and when that page comes up it is on the first page I think. After you get the aircraft page up, you can do a search by listing the name of the engine, and it should come up if you don't find it in the listings. If you still can't find it email me and I'll look up the ebay item number. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:55:47 +1000 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Revmaster Turbo Engine Message-ID: <009301c21b09$1dda5a20$5396dccb@Matheson> It is not listed as Revmaster, I could not do a search. it is just called ENGINE, with no picture, I had trouble finding it as well . Just Scroll down the pages throught the Pictures. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Wilson" To: Sent: 24 June 2002 08:35 Subject: KR> Revmaster Turbo Engine > I saw the engine this morning (Sunday) and it still > had 1 day and 6 hrs. to go. I went to ebay and clicked > on ebay motors, then after you get that page, it has > sublistings. Go to aircraft and when that page comes > up it is on the first page I think. After you get the > aircraft page up, you can do a search by listing the > name of the engine, and it should come up if you don't > find it in the listings. If you still can't find it > email me and I'll look up the ebay item number. > Thanks, Rick Wilson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:47:03 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Revmaster Turbo Engine Message-ID: <20020623224703.16699.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I don't know what happened to my first post but here's what I wrote: I saw the engine this morning (Sunday) and it still had 1 day and 6 hrs. to go. I went to ebay's opening page and clicked on ebay motors. When the ebay motors page comes up, there is a list of categories, scroll down to aircraft,then when that list opens, it was on the first page. If you don't see it there you can enter the name of the engine under search and it should come up. If you can't find it email me and I'll look up the ebay item number. Hope this helps, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:44:29 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: WMartensJr@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Revmaster Turbo Engine Message-ID: <117.136c923c.2a47b75d@aol.com> --part1_117.136c923c.2a47b75d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/23/2002 6:45:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matheson@dodo.com.au writes: > It is not listed as Revmaster, I could not do a search. it is just called > ENGINE, with no picture, I had trouble finding it as well . Just Scroll > down the pages throught the Pictures. Went to Aircraft> and entered "Revmaster" and it brought up two entries, second of which was : "http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838659530" No pictures but sounds like a decent engine. Walt --part1_117.136c923c.2a47b75d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:07:53 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: Not completely off topic Message-ID: <20020623160753.4728.qmail@web9504.mail.yahoo.com> As many of you know I have posted several construction pictures on my angelfire.com/super/timkr2s site///but yesterday when I went to add a few more of trim tab, wing walk and rudder pedal it was full sooooooo Who has a free web page site that they would suggest. While I can "get around" on a computer, I have no computereze knowledge so it would have to be a "plain English" simple to use site. Thanks. Probably just reply to me off net at timwbrown@yahoo.com Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:08:03 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: kr2 for sale Message-ID: <20020623160803.65964.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Hi again, I didn't see this before I sent the first post, but there is also a kr2 on ebay for sale under the same heading. The current price is $5500.00. Thanks again, just trying to be of some help to someone, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:21:09 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: spar dimensions Message-ID: <003001c21ad1$fdbcefa0$35b45bd1@utboopki> ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C21AB0.74DE7EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you are going to alter the spar dimensions orcomposition it requires = a complete analysis by a competent engineer to compare them and = determine their suitability. It's a lot of work. Any opinions offered by = members of the net are usually just that. "opinions". I'm an engineer = but never obtained my professional certification. I'll gladly do the = analysis for you but I need $ 2,000 up front and then I don't guarantee = my analysis. Conclusion; Stick to proven design's and you will avoid problems and = will find the work goes a lot faster. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C21AB0.74DE7EE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:21:08 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Fwd: KR> Epoxy Pump Message-ID: <5b.29b30bff.2a475d84@aol.com> --part1_5b.29b30bff.2a475d84_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an email I sent Larry that maybe the net might like to read. I'm pretty sure the article was in an old KR news letter.......... Lynn --part1_5b.29b30bff.2a475d84_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: WA7YXF@aol.com Full-name: WA7YXF Message-ID: <170.f67cd40.2a440276@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:15:50 EDT Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy Pump To: flesner@midwest.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_5b.29b30bff.2a440276_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 --part2_5b.29b30bff.2a440276_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry, several years ago there was an article someplace to modify the sticky stuff pump from safety poxy to aeropoxy by drilling a hole in a differant location. I'll try to locate it for you. I used it all through the building of my KR and found it so easy and fast, just pull the handle for as much as you want. A little or a lot. These can be found "used" for a for a lot less money sometimes. Mine is on its third airplane and third owner... I could hardly walk into a room where safety poxy was being used without breaking out. I have no problem with Aeropoxy. Lynn Hyder N37LH > > Speaking of pumps, I have a $250 pump with a 100:47 (I think. It's the > old Safety Poxy rat) mix and it is not the adjustable kind. Can anyone > think of a reason I shouldn't trash it. I've not seen any other epoxies > with > that mix. > > Larry Flesner > --part2_5b.29b30bff.2a440276_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry, several years ago there was an article someplace to modify the sticky stuff pump from safety poxy to aeropoxy by drilling a hole in a differant location. I'll try to locate it for you. I used it all through the building of my KR and found it so easy and fast, just pull the handle for as much as you want. A little or a lot. These can be found "used" for a for a lot less money sometimes. Mine is on its third airplane and third owner...  I could hardly walk into a room where safety poxy was being used without breaking out.    I have no problem with Aeropoxy.   Lynn Hyder   N37LH



Speaking of pumps,  I have a $250 pump with a 100:47 (I think. It's the
old Safety Poxy rat) mix and it is not the adjustable kind.  Can anyone
think of a reason I shouldn't trash it.  I've not seen any other epoxies with
that mix.

Larry Flesner


--part2_5b.29b30bff.2a440276_boundary-- --part1_5b.29b30bff.2a475d84_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:48:17 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: comcast Subject: wing stub/spoilers Message-id: <002401c21ae6$8a0fb280$24d02c44@computer> > When making the wing stubs I installed upper spoiler > flaps. I've never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express so I'm not even going to pretend to know what I'm talking about here...but doesn't this put the spoilers in front of the H. stab? I thought I read in one of the Tony B. books that you should put them off to the side so as not to disturb the airflow over the back of the plane. My Tony B. books are temporarily misplaced right now so I can't look it up...I'm just trying to go on memory. I though he recomended putting spoilers out further than the H. stab but not in front of the ailerons...probably not possible on a KR. Just wondering... Rgds., Bob Roe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:08:59 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Turbine powered KR-2 Message-ID: It looks like this would have to have a hefty gear reduction on it to handle 40000 + rpm and what about heat? I did not see how it was cooled. I wonder how long it would last? It is hard to imagine actually getting 170HP out of 20# when you normally think of 1hp per 2# as being fairly good. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Robin Wills - The Guru [mailto:robinwills@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:12 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Turbine powerd KR-2 Good Day all. Heve been skulking around trying to pick up as much as i can prior to this, but now need some advice. MicroJet Engineering (http://www.microjeteng.com/) in the UK has what looks to be a nice little turboshaft powerplant, putting out upto 170HP that weighs 20Lbs. I would like any thoughts on using this, through a PSRU, to an Electric CSU and prop combination. There would be some serious CG issues, but am wondering if i am thinking of everything. Robin Wills Queensland, Australia robinwills@iprimus.com.au --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:54:56 +1000 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> VW Reduction Drive Message-ID: <002001c21b00$9e3ddec0$5396dccb@Matheson> John, Yes I think It will be a good unit, Bolley have just made a special prop for his RG2000. it is turning 68" X 56 " 3 blade ground ajustable up to ?? 70" pitch. At 2500 RPM. 691 fps 44" Pitch = ? 94 nots 50" P = ? 107 nots 56 p = ? 115nots Cost is about $13,000 Oz. Weight is 92 Kgs ( 200 lbs) TBO ?? will let you know. The TT1800 ( which is the one I'm very interested in ) is a lighter and cheaper engine , but will still turn the 66 X 3 blade prop. I will be getting more info on the units soon. http://www.vw-engines.com/ Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Janet Martindale" To: "Phillip Matheson" Sent: 23 June 2002 10:15 Subject: Re: KR> Re: EA81 Thanks to all > Hi Phil > > That is a very impressive looking piece of VW machinery. Now I see where the > 100hp is coming from out of the VW - by spinning it faster at 4000rpm > upwards then gear reducing to 3500rpm at the prop. I reckon you have made a > good decision with this. What is the cost, weight and TBO for the engine at > those higher revs? Can it dissipate the extra heat? > > Cheers > > John and Janet Martindale > 29 Jane Circuit > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > AUSTRALIA > > ph: 61 2 66584767 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phillip Matheson > To: KR Net Listings > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:11 AM > Subject: KR> Re: EA81 Thanks to all > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > Thanks > > I am taking your advice and others, > > Have a look at the link below, I think I will go with the 1800 VW > > gearreduction similar to the RG2000 listed on this Austarlian link. > > Let me know what you think. I have listed this link on the net before > > > > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > > > > Phil Matheson > > > > matheson@dodo.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry A. Capps" > > To: "'Phillip Matheson'" > > Sent: 22 June 2002 08:38 > > Subject: EA81 Subaru URGENT > > > > > > > Phil, I would have to suggest against the Soob for weight alone. You > > should > > > be able to get your hands on a VW engine locally which will be almost > 100 > > > lbs lighter, and of much simpler installation. > > > > > > Larry A. Capps > > > > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:59:07 -0500 To: From: "Thomas C Adams" Subject: re:kr>turbine powered kr2 Message-ID: <001c01c21b01$33ea3720$42cdacd1@tomadams> ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21AD7.49614F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable robin there is a guy in north dakota named jim that sells refurbished turbine = starters that have an output of about 3000 rpm and 100 horsepower or so. = i think it weighed around 80 pounds with reduction. i think that is what = the turbine kr used. an old address is=20 jet engine info po box 5354 dept k fargo ND 58105-5354 =20 he was wanting 12 dollars for the info pack tom 23.778 gallons-per-hour at full power. Bob At 7:14 AM -0700 6/23/02, Frank Ross wrote: >Robin, >There is (or was) a turbo-prop(?) KR flying, so it is >not out of the question. I know less than nothing >about it, but my first question would be "how much >fuel will it use?" >Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, USA >--- Robin Wills - The Guru >wrote: >> Good Day all. >> Heve been skulking around trying to pick up as much >> as i can prior to this, but now need some advice. > > MicroJet Engineering (http://www.microjeteng.com/) >> in the UK has what looks to be a nice little >> turboshaft powerplant, putting out upto 170HP that >> weighs 20Lbs. >> I would like any thoughts on using this, through a >> PSRU, to an Electric CSU and prop combination. >> There would be some serious CG issues, but am >> wondering if i am thinking of everything. >> >> Robin Wills >> Queensland, Australia >> robinwills@iprimus.com.au >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/=20 and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21AD7.49614F00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:05:15 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Jan Laan Subject: Re: KR> re:kr>turbine powered kr2 Message-id: <0GY600KETIP4KU@l-daemon> This Jim advertizes in Kitplanes from time to time. He only gives his phone# :701-232-5183 central. The microjet engines are pure jet engines with no provisions to hook up a gearbox from what I can see. Jan At 04:59 PM 6/23/02 -0500, Thomas C Adams wrote: >robin > >there is a guy in north dakota named jim that sells refurbished turbine starters that have an output of about 3000 rpm and 100 horsepower or so. i think it weighed around 80 pounds with reduction. i think that is what the turbine kr used. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:59:29 +1000 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair engine update Message-ID: <00a001c21b09$a1f2e160$5396dccb@Matheson> Mark, John Martindale in OZ has said that he will have weight problems when he puts two people in his KR. He will only have about One of Fuel. This makes looking at lighter engines than the Corvair much more of a encouraging to me in OZ. Do you know yet what PROP the Covair will spin at What RPM. Have fun in your shop . Phil matheson@dodo.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: 23 June 2002 13:01 Subject: KR> Corvair engine update > I don't think I mentioned to you KR guys that I ran my Corvair engine for > the first time over Memorial day weekend. I've just updated my Corvair > engine web page to reflect that, among other things. If you don't have > anything else to do tonight, check out the details of its construction at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/ . It's too bad you Australian > guys don't have Corvairs. > > Other than that, work has kept me way too busy, traveling for the last > month, although it's been really good for business. Maybe I'll have a > chance to do some KR work while it's still summer. I need to finish up the > body work on the bottom, and paint it, then move on to permanent engine > installation, finish up the wingtips, install wheelpants, and paint the > whole thing. Well, that and about a thousand other little details. At > least the engine is done with... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:38:59 -0500 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair engine update Message-ID: <007b01c21b17$887d3560$0100a8c0@TD310> Phil Matheson wrote: > John Martindale in OZ has said that he will have weight problems when he > puts two people in his KR. He will only have about One of Fuel. > > This makes looking at lighter engines than the Corvair much more of a > encouraging to me in OZ. > > Do you know yet what PROP the Covair will spin at What RPM. I don't know how the Australian feds govern gross weight of experimentals, but if they hold you to the 900 pound gross weight stated in the plans for the KR2, you would certainly be screwed running a Corvair in a heavy airplane. I was told a few years ago that they forced KR2s to be single seaters, but maybe that's changed, and maybe that was only the heavy ones. My plane weighs about 700 pounds, and with two 150 pounders and 19 gallons of fuel, that means my gross will be 1115 pounds, maybe 1150 counting a little baggage. That figure doesn't bother me one bit, knowing that there is at least one hotdog pilot out there who often flies at 1400 pounds in a basically stock KR2 (and does it quite well). In the US, the builder sets the gross weight, and I'll probably make mine 1200 pounds. My power to weight ratio will be nothing short of stellar, so performance will not be an issue. My personal opinion is that when you install a much more powerful engine that weighs only 40 or 50 pounds more than the original, a lot of sins are forgiven. > This makes looking at lighter engines than the Corvair much more of a > encouraging to me in OZ. The fact that you don't have Corvairs in your part of the world excuses you. Personally I'd go with a large Type 4 running a drive shaft or PSRU off the flywheel end. > Do you know yet what PROP the Covair will spin at What RPM. Not specific to the KR2's small diameter props, although Steve Makish said his engine would turn a 52x66 Prince P-tip 2950 rpm at cruise. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:51:05 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: ebay item Message-ID: <20020623225105.2479.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> My apologies, The engine is not listed as a revmaster until the description comes up. It simply says "engine". I apologize for the confusion. Rick. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:52:14 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Donald Blankenship" Subject: eBay listings for KR-2, Quickie, engines Message-ID: <20020623235214.49613.qmail@mail.com> To see the KR-2 and engine listings on eBaymotors along with a Quickie and a Subaru, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838609185 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838588928 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838472080 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838701140 --Skutch -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************