From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 12 Jul 2002 16:22:19 -0000 Issue 473 Date: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:22 AM krnet Digest 12 Jul 2002 16:22:19 -0000 Issue 473 Topics (messages 11394 through 11423): Don't open til Friday:-) 11394 by: Dana Overall Re: Apology 11395 by: Matt Dralle Re: speed 11396 by: virgnvs.juno.com Unusual "krnet" "message", whats UP? 11397 by: Frank Ross 11399 by: Mark Langford 11400 by: Bob Farmer 11407 by: Frank Ross Re: Canopy 11398 by: JC Marais 11420 by: Bob Farmer Canopy Hinge Direction 11401 by: Larry 11402 by: Phil Maley 11404 by: bstarrs Paint for your KR? 11403 by: Ron Eason 11406 by: Peg and Mike Meyer Canopy...Rear Tilt 11405 by: Mark Jones 11410 by: Linda Warner 11411 by: Mark Langford 11416 by: Frank Ross More instruments 11408 by: Ron Eason KR Newsletter - lets keep it 11409 by: Larry A. Capps 11414 by: Horn2004.aol.com 11417 by: virgnvs.juno.com 11419 by: BSHADR Oshkosh 11412 by: Linda Warner New engine !!!!! 11413 by: Phillip Matheson 11415 by: Frank Ross What I Don't like about KR 11418 by: Ronald Freiberger 11422 by: Seifert, Richard E canopy types. 11421 by: Audrey and Harold Woods canopies 11423 by: Ed Janssen Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:52:52 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Don't open til Friday:-) Message-ID: I'm heading out and will be at the lake Friday so I'm sending this early. Please don't kick me off while I'm gone, at least give me time to grovel:-) This is the install of my landing light. Neat little tape handle to pull it flush inside while I drilled for the platenuts on the reinforcement braces. One 16" piece of good tape with an 8" piece over the sticky side in the middle. http://rvflying.tripod.com/ldlight1.jpg One landing light. http://rvflying.tripod.com/ldlight2.jpg Yes, I had to cut that opening in the skin........does that make me a builder or still an assembler??? If you opened this prior to Friday.........shame on you. PS, I want to see that KR100 fly!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:07:03 -0700 To: "Mark Jones" , "KR-Net" , From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Apology Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711090235.020ec3b8@roxy.matronics.com> Mark, Thank you for the most gracious apology. I do very much appreciate it. Matt Dralle Matronics At 06:34 PM 7/10/2002 Wednesday, Mark Jones wrote: >Matt, >I have spoken with several folks concerning Matronics and the effort you >are giving to aviation groups. I feel I have over reacted with my harsh >comments towards Matronics and you and ask you to accept my apology. I >guess I spoke before I thought and learned what you are doing. Anyway, my >apologies and my hats off to you for your efforts. I just strongly feel >our KR Net is working in prime time right now and I was distraught with >the idea of seeing it change again. Thanks > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:01:30 -0400 To: danrh@att.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> speed Message-ID: <20020711.140709.-521009.2.virgnvs@juno.com> T H A N K S On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:19:49 -0700 "Daniel Heath" writes: > Virg, > > Could you please say that in English? > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: virgnvs@juno.com [mailto:virgnvs@juno.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:39 PM > To: langford@hiwaay.net > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> speed > > > YHX, Virg > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:07:45 -0500 "Mark Langford" > > writes: > > > > Who's plane was it? Do you recall what it weighed in at? > > > > > > > > Steve Eberhart > > > > > > > Hi Steve, the grey and white picture in the RR ads, Virg > > > > > > > > I suspected as much. I don't know if I'd call Roy Marsh's plane > the > > first > > "plan built KR2S". The reality of it is that his tail feathers are > > > stock KR2 > > size, his wingspan is two feet shorter, and the airfoil is a 23012 > > > rather > > than the RAF48 airfoil called for in the plans. About the only > thing > > that > > his plane has to do with the KR2S is that's where the foward and > aft > > deck > > molds were pulled from, and it has the 14" extended tail and 2" > > extention > > forward of the main spar that were later incorporated into the > > drawings. > > > > I always get a kick out of the advertisement for the KR2S and the > > > battle cry > > of "keep it per the plans", when the KR2S poster child is so > > radically > > different! It's also a far cry from 520 pounds! The impressive > top > > speed is > > due to some serious attention to aerodynamic details and the lower > > > drag of > > the thinner wing, as well as the turbocharged Revmaster 2180cc > > engine. By > > the way, the Kitplanes article mentioned that he got 5 gph at > > cruise, which > > somehow doesn't match up with the advertised 4 gph. And anybody > > that can > > land his plane in less than 600 feet can count on a crisp new > > hundred dollar > > bill from me! Ron Lee from Colorado owns it now, but I don't know > > > that he > > flies it. > > > > I wrote the comments above several hours ago (before Dana's > > comments), but > > was going to wait until after I could do some research during > > lunchtime to > > send it, because I believe I remember hearing that Roy's plane was > > > around > > 700 pounds. He's not at home right now, but I'll call him tonight > > > and find > > out for sure. > > > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:28:44 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet From: Frank Ross Subject: Unusual "krnet" "message", whats UP? Message-ID: <20020711192844.11513.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> I just got an e-mail that has "krnet" in the "From" box (Not what I usually get, usually has sender's name, like Mark Langford, or Frank Ross) and has "ACCESSKEY" in the Subject box, BUT, does NOT say "KR-ACCESSKEY", like it SHOULD if it was REALLY from krnet. I AM NOT OPENING it, but want to warn others of this and find out if it IS something from krnet. Thanks Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:07:08 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Unusual "krnet" "message", whats UP? Message-ID: <001301c22916$8ae555a0$5f0ca58c@mlangford> Frank Ross wrote: > I just got an e-mail that has "krnet" in the "From" > box (Not what I usually get, usually has sender's > name, like Mark Langford, or Frank Ross) and has > "ACCESSKEY" in the Subject box, That's almost certainly a virus sent not from KRnet, but from somebody's PC who is on KRnet. Not intentionally, but because that's how the latest fad virus, KLEZ, operates. It has the ability to send out emails that appear to come from someplace where you've gotten mail from before, while getting a subject from one of the subjects in some of your other email. It gets very confusing, and you don't even know who to email to tell them that they have a virus. No doubt it also has an enclosure with it, which is your first clue... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:07:30 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Bob Farmer" Subject: Fw: KR> Unusual "krnet" "message", whats UP? Message-ID: <003f01c2291e$f8b71160$e15f62d8@oemcomputer> OOPS! Sorry Mark I intended to post that to the Net. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Farmer" To: "Mark Langford" Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: KR> Unusual "krnet" "message", whats UP? > A good example of what Mark is talking about can be seen in this message. I > received a returned E-Mail that I never sent. I was not even home at the > time it was sent & I have Norton Anti virus that scans incoming & outgoing > E-Mail. When it was returned it had a worm attached which Norton removed. It > was returned to me even though I did not send it. I agree with Mark, someone > on the net has a worm. The worm Norton quarantined was "DIF.bat". If you get > an E-Mail with this attachment even if you know the sender do not open it. > > The message read (The following mail can't be sent to langford@hiwaay.net: > From: rfarmer@naxs.net > To: langford@hiwaay.net > Subject: to class > The attachment is the original mail ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "krnet" > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Unusual "krnet" "message", whats UP? > > Mark Wrote > > > That's almost certainly a virus sent not from KRnet, but from somebody's > PC > > who is on KRnet. Not intentionally, but because that's how the latest fad > > virus, KLEZ, operates. It has the ability to send out emails that appear > to > > come from someplace where you've gotten mail from before, while getting a > > subject from one of the subjects in some of your other email. It gets > very > > confusing, and you don't even know who to email to tell them that they > have > > a virus. No doubt it also has an enclosure with it, which is your first > > clue... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:08:22 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Unusual "krnet" "message", whats UP? Message-ID: <20020712030822.66768.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> The message I got did not appear to have an attachment, but, I 'flushed' it without opening it, anyway.I have started deleting everything with FW or names I don't recognize, or anything suspicious. We are drying out in this part of Texas, finally. Just want to say thanks to all who wrote expressing concern. My place is high and dry, but, many others lost their homes and belongings. The Red Cross and Salvation Army have been very helpful for them. Frank in San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:19:41 +0200 To: "Mark Jones" , "KR-Net" From: "JC Marais" Subject: Re: KR> Canopy Message-ID: <000501c22913$223e4960$1bb9ef9b@jc> Mark, I am planning to mount mine at the front. The only reason for this plan is that the prop blast will try to close it, and not break it from its mountings. I once had a flip in a Samba. It is sort of a motorised glider, powered by a 912. Anyway, Samba had its canopy (very nicely) designed to open to the rear. For takeoff, and with a little bit of headwind, we had to cut the motor, close canopy and restart. It just was not possible to pull the canopy closed, even with the motor idling at the slowest speed. On the other hand, it might be technically easier to fit the brackets somewhere behind the back of your head. Cheers. JC Marais South Africa jcmarais@intekom.co.za Tel: (+27)12 - 660-1463 (H) (+27)12 - 350-1587 (W) Cell phone : 082-401-5259 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:50:43 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Bob Farmer" Subject: Re: KR> Canopy Message-ID: <011901c229b3$844cb6a0$e15f62d8@oemcomputer> I think that one Dragonfly canopy I saw hinged at the front but had a release that would allow the hinge to be cut free in an emergency. Speaking of canopies I have cut the door in mine and have a couple of pic at http://www.foamhead.com/Builders%20pages/KR2%20Bob%20Farmer.html I think this was the best choice for me both in cost & work. Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Marais" To: "Mark Jones" ; "KR-Net" Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: KR> Canopy > Mark, > > I am planning to mount mine at the front. > The only reason for this plan is that the prop blast will try to close it, > and not break it from its mountings. > > I once had a flip in a Samba. It is sort of a motorised glider, powered by > a 912. Anyway, Samba had its canopy (very nicely) designed to open to the > rear. For takeoff, and with a little bit of headwind, we had to cut the > motor, close canopy and restart. It just was not possible to pull the > canopy closed, even with the motor idling at the slowest speed. > > On the other hand, it might be technically easier to fit the brackets > somewhere behind the back of your head. > > Cheers. > > JC Marais > South Africa > jcmarais@intekom.co.za > Tel: (+27)12 - 660-1463 (H) > (+27)12 - 350-1587 (W) > Cell phone : 082-401-5259 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:37:37 -0500 To: From: "Larry" Cc: Subject: Canopy Hinge Direction Message-ID: <004101c22944$b50035c0$62de28d8@l0c1i1> ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C2291A.CB1D9FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark, The forward tilt would be hard to open if you wanted out of the plane, = but probably won't try to fly away if you forgot to latch it down. The = rearward tilt would be an easy way to get out if you needed out, but = would also be a good way to destroy your plane if you for got to latch = the canopy, I think the rear tilt would be dangerous. The side tilt is = what is on the KR2 that I have with a Dragonfly canopy, it is not a bad = way to go. If it is like a Longeze--the airplane might still be = controllable with side tilt if you forgot to latch it and it raised up, = as long as you flew the plane and forgot about closing the canopy. I = personally like a fixed windscreen to help keep rain and such out of = radios, with a slide back canopy like a RV series or a gullwing with = fixed windscreen. Gene Shehan of the old Quickie company can tell you about loosing a = canopy with one hundred and something mph wind in the eyes. Stuff = happens when you least expect it. I had half of my engine cowling come = unlatched on an old Cessna 120 I had years ago. Kinda freaky wondering = what was going to happen next, it raised almost straight up in the air, = kinda aerodynamic, I slowed the plane down and landed ASAP, latched it = back down and off we went again. I made that sound easy but it was kinda = scary at the time because I didn't know if it was going to tear off and = damage something else on the plane like, vertical, horizontal controls. Larry Howell Rockwall TX ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C2291A.CB1D9FC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:51:16 +0800 To: From: "Phil Maley" Subject: RE: KR> Canopy Hinge Direction Message-ID: Hi all A local KR2 owner/pilot over here almost killed himself a year or so ago when the side-opening canopy came open just after take-off. He did lose control but survived the ensuing crash. He has almost finished rebuilding the aircraft. It would be interesting to see just how much lift is created by the canopy and therefore how much load the canopy latch needs to carry. My preference is for a sliding canopy but I'm a long way off that decision yet. I was a passenger in a Cessna Citation a few years ago when the front baggage door sprung open after take-off. The pilot carefully flew a quick circuit to get back on the ground but a few bags did escape, damaging the wing and tailplane as I recall. That was scary! Regards to all Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ Phone: +61 417 954 187 Fax: +61 8 9315 3055 -----Original Message----- From: Larry [mailto:laheze@ev1.net] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:38 AM To: flykr2s@wi.rr.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Canopy Hinge Direction Hi Mark, The forward tilt would be hard to open if you wanted out of the plane, but probably won't try to fly away if you forgot to latch it down. The rearward tilt would be an easy way to get out if you needed out, but would also be a good way to destroy your plane if you for got to latch the canopy, I think the rear tilt would be dangerous. The side tilt is what is on the KR2 that I have with a Dragonfly canopy, it is not a bad way to go. If it is like a Longeze--the airplane might still be controllable with side tilt if you forgot to latch it and it raised up, as long as you flew the plane and forgot about closing the canopy. I personally like a fixed windscreen to help keep rain and such out of radios, with a slide back canopy like a RV series or a gullwing with fixed windscreen. Gene Shehan of the old Quickie company can tell you about loosing a canopy with one hundred and something mph wind in the eyes. Stuff happens when you least expect it. I had half of my engine cowling come unlatched on an old Cessna 120 I had years ago. Kinda freaky wondering what was going to happen next, it raised almost straight up in the air, kinda aerodynamic, I slowed the plane down and landed ASAP, latched it back down and off we went again. I made that sound easy but it was kinda scary at the time because I didn't know if it was going to tear off and damage something else on the plane like, vertical, horizontal controls. Larry Howell Rockwall TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:25:11 -0700 To: From: "bstarrs" Subject: Fw: KR> Canopy Hinge Direction Message-ID: <002f01c2294b$59d4cec0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> That is why I went to a sliding canopy on my KR 1 It is a lot more work but well worth it. Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Maley" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:51 PM Subject: RE: KR> Canopy Hinge Direction > Hi all > > A local KR2 owner/pilot over here almost killed himself a year or so > ago when the side-opening canopy came open just after take-off. He did > lose control but survived the ensuing crash. He has almost finished > rebuilding the aircraft. It would be interesting to see just how much > lift is created by the canopy and therefore how much load the canopy > latch needs to carry. My preference is for a sliding canopy but I'm a > long way off that decision yet. > > I was a passenger in a Cessna Citation a few years ago when the front > baggage door sprung open after take-off. The pilot carefully flew a > quick circuit to get back on the ground but a few bags did escape, > damaging the wing and tailplane as I recall. That was scary! > > Regards to all > Phil Maley > Perth Australia > mailto:phil@wotech.com.au > http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ > Phone: +61 417 954 187 > Fax: +61 8 9315 3055 > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry [mailto:laheze@ev1.net] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:38 AM > To: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Canopy Hinge Direction > > > Hi Mark, > > The forward tilt would be hard to open if you wanted out of the plane, > but probably won't try to fly away if you forgot to latch it down. The > rearward tilt would be an easy way to get out if you needed out, but > would also be a good way to destroy your plane if you for got to latch > the canopy, I think the rear tilt would be dangerous. The side tilt is > what is on the KR2 that I have with a Dragonfly canopy, it is not a > bad way to go. If it is like a Longeze--the airplane might still be > controllable with side tilt if you forgot to latch it and it raised > up, as long as you flew the plane and forgot about closing the canopy. > I personally like a fixed windscreen to help keep rain and such out of > radios, with a slide back canopy like a RV series or a gullwing with > fixed windscreen. > Gene Shehan of the old Quickie company can tell you about loosing a > canopy with one hundred and something mph wind in the eyes. Stuff > happens when you least expect it. I had half of my engine cowling come > unlatched on an old Cessna 120 I had years ago. Kinda freaky wondering > what was going to happen next, it raised almost straight up in the > air, kinda aerodynamic, I slowed the plane down and landed ASAP, > latched it back down and off we went again. I made that sound easy but > it was kinda scary at the time because I didn't know if it was going > to tear off and damage something else on the plane like, vertical, > horizontal controls. > > Larry Howell > Rockwall TX > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:16:34 -0500 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Paint for your KR? Message-ID: <004a01c2294a$25434700$8fdc1f41@Administration> http://www.colorshift.com/ Take a look at this. KRRon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:00:54 -0500 To: Ron Eason , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Peg and Mike Meyer Subject: Re: KR> Paint for your KR? Message-id: <00fe01c22950$56cb9420$2a0ffea9@o0c8u6> Ford used a very similar product on a limited production run of Cobra Mustangs a few years back - the product was manufactured by 3M and it was called Mystique. It was (is) enormously expensive and apparently, difficult to apply. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:16 PM Subject: KR> Paint for your KR? > http://www.colorshift.com/ > > Take a look at this. > > KRRon > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:45:55 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Canopy...Rear Tilt Message-ID: <005801c2294e$4093a140$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C22924.56F42EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all who have opened my eyes to the dangers of the rear tilt = canopy. The dangers far outweigh the ease of this type installment. I am = now leaning to the forward tilt with two designs. John Martindale's and = Mark Langford's. John's design would have been the best if done from the = get go. There would have to be a lot of modification to the deck at this = point where Mark's design would not be much of a problem. Still = contemplating on which to use. I was also given an example of a four = point parallelogram which would raise up and move forward. This too = seems simple and is being considered. Or is a side hinge the way to go. = Right now my front canopy frame is curing on the forward deck. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C22924.56F42EC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:09:17 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: KR> Canopy...Rear Tilt Message-ID: <9084-3D2EB8DD-2427@storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-10648-1245 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit We seem to keep coming back to Roy Marsh's (original)? KR2S. It featued a swing up and forward canopy like you mentioned at the end of your post. It looked simple and functional and allowed easy access to the cockpit. I'm going to do mine that way. John Sickafoose Naples Fl. Hugs etc. Linda Kay & John --WebTV-Mail-10648-1245 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2101.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.111) by storefull-2176.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by smtpin-2101.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with SMTP id EB46DFE34 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14238 invoked by alias); 12 Jul 2002 02:41:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 14206 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 02:41:27 -0000 Message-ID: <005801c2294e$4093a140$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR-Net" Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:45:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C22924.56F42EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: KR> Canopy...Rear Tilt ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C22924.56F42EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all who have opened my eyes to the dangers of the rear tilt = canopy. The dangers far outweigh the ease of this type installment. I am = now leaning to the forward tilt with two designs. John Martindale's and = Mark Langford's. John's design would have been the best if done from the = get go. There would have to be a lot of modification to the deck at this = point where Mark's design would not be much of a problem. Still = contemplating on which to use. I was also given an example of a four = point parallelogram which would raise up and move forward. This too = seems simple and is being considered. Or is a side hinge the way to go. = Right now my front canopy frame is curing on the forward deck. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C22924.56F42EC0-- --WebTV-Mail-10648-1245-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:50:37 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Canopy...Rear Tilt Message-ID: <004801c2299a$57c13f20$5f0ca58c@mlangford> John Sickafoose wrote: > We seem to keep coming back to Roy Marsh's (original)? KR2S. It featued > a swing up and forward canopy like you mentioned at the end of your > post. It looked simple and functional and allowed easy access to the > cockpit. I'm going to do mine that way. One thing that should be pointed out regarding Roy's canopy installation is that there's a torque tube buried behind his panel, down near the bottom, that the two forward links are connected to. This keeps the sides synchronized and properly located. If you don't use this torque tube, the thing will litterally flop all over the place. I'm sure you've thought of this already, John, but others might just take a look at it and assume that the four links is all you need. What kind of dummy would do that? Well, I'll never tell! I will confess to not having a clue about the details of exactly how he did that. Maybe we can find out from the new owner. When I talked to Roy the other day I told him it was a shame to see that plane sitting in a hangar for three years and NEVER flown. Roy said that a guy called just last week asking about it, and he'd told him that he ought to go buy it and fly it. I believe that sale is either done or in the works, so we may be seeing Roy's plane back at the Gatherings soon. The other day I mentioned to Mark Jones that the forward swinging canopy like John Martindale's was the way to go. And if you are going to hinge it somewhere, that IS the way to go. But as I've said before, if I were building another one from scratch I'd do the fixed winshield/gullwing door thing that lots of folks are doing. They are quiet in flight, weather tight, resistant to being blown off with propwash, and safer from a rollover standpoint. And if saving money is your main goal in life, this is the cheapest way to go because all you need is acrylic, not somebody's expensive canopy. Personally I'd still want a Dragonfly as the windshield part though. I'd basically mount the canopy permanently to the plane and then cut out the gullwing door like Dan and Jerry did. That guarantees a perfect fit. Looks like Ed is about to come up with a nice canopy for you guys though... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:38:57 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: Fwd: KR> Canopy...Rear Tilt Message-ID: <20020712133857.81906.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Another option that I haven't seen mentioned is the fixed-windshield with four-point, REAR-swinging canopy. A canopy on four rods swinging up and over the turtle deck. This would not be as easy to work out as the front swinging one, but would not catch the air, like a rear TILT canopy would nor be in the way like the front-swinging canopy. AND, it would have that Fighter-Jock look. BUT, it would be in the way getting in and out. VERY possibly could fly with it open (not necessarily on purpose). Just a few thoughts. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:00:55 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: More instruments Message-ID: <001001c22958$b931e170$8fdc1f41@Administration> http://users.iafrica.com/r/ra/rainier/strato.htm Looks intresting. KRRon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:39:51 -0500 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Cc: , "Mark Jones \(E-mail\)" , "Mark Langford \(E-mail\)" , "Charlotte \(E-mail\)" Subject: KR Newsletter - lets keep it Message-ID: <002d01c2296e$edf03900$0600a8c0@schpankme> KRNet members, As we discussed last week, I acquired the KR Newsletter and intend to keep it in the family of KR enthusiasts. Many of you have called and emailed, strongly requesting that we keep the newsletter alive and continue to provide monthly mailings of the newsletter with interesting articles, building tips and information. You have also voiced that it is high time we provide a bridge between the KRNet and the KRNews builders; I am in total agreement with this idea and feel that interesting topics discussed on the KRNet should also be included in the monthly newsletter with supporting pictures and text. Plus, ideas and changes discussed on the KRNet will be provided through the newsletter to the non-internet builders. Ok, so here's the only way we can keep the KR Newsletter alive and well, we need you to subscribe to one year of the KR Newsletter, It’s that simple. Without your subscription, there will be no newsletter. Lets keep the KR Newsletter alive, with your subscription we will continue to provide for one of the longest running hobby newsletters, with its twelve yearly issues of tips, and information about KR's, builders and flyers. Make your check or money order payable to: KR Newsletter 10S485 Book Road Naperville, IL 60564 $24.00 - (12 issues KR Newsletter - US subscriber) $32.00 - (12 issues KR Newsletter - Foreign subscriber) $45.00 - (27 years of the KR Newsletter on CD) Please make your payment submitted in US Dollars or drafted on USA financial institution. Best Regards, Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:16:44 EDT To: lacapps@attbi.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Horn2004@aol.com CC: flykr2s@wi.rr.com, langford@hiwaay.net, charcapps@attbi.com Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - lets keep it Message-ID: <149.114fbc43.2a6030bc@aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/02 1:39:58 AM, lacapps@attbi.com writes: <> Am I correct in assuming that Monte Miller has absconded with my only half=20 complete subscription monies? Please let me know. Steve Horn Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:49:52 -0400 To: lacapps@ATTBI.COM From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org, lacapps@ATTBI.COM, flykr2s@wi.rr.com, langford@hiwaay.net, charcapps@ATTBI.COM Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - lets keep it Message-ID: <20020712.095829.-452167.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Will you honor the rest of previous subs ? Virg On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:39:51 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" writes: > KRNet members, > > As we discussed last week, I acquired the KR Newsletter and intend > to keep > it in the family of KR enthusiasts. Many of you have called and > emailed, > strongly requesting that we keep the newsletter alive and continue > to > provide monthly mailings of the newsletter with interesting > articles, > building tips and information. > > You have also voiced that it is high time we provide a bridge > between the > KRNet and the KRNews builders; I am in total agreement with this > idea and > feel that interesting topics discussed on the KRNet should also be > included > in the monthly newsletter with supporting pictures and text. Plus, > ideas and > changes discussed on the KRNet will be provided through the > newsletter to > the non-internet builders. > > Ok, so here's the only way we can keep the KR Newsletter alive and > well, > we need you to subscribe to one year of the KR Newsletter, It’s that > simple. > Without your subscription, there will be no newsletter. > > Lets keep the KR Newsletter alive, with your subscription we will > continue > to provide for one of the longest running hobby newsletters, with > its twelve > yearly issues of tips, and information about KR's, builders and > flyers. > > Make your check or money order payable to: > > KR Newsletter > 10S485 Book Road > Naperville, IL 60564 > > $24.00 - (12 issues KR Newsletter - US subscriber) > > $32.00 - (12 issues KR Newsletter - Foreign subscriber) > > $45.00 - (27 years of the KR Newsletter on CD) > > Please make your payment submitted in US Dollars or drafted on USA > financial > institution. > > > Best Regards, > > Larry A. Capps > KR Newsletter > Naperville, IL > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:28:05 -0700 To: , , From: "BSHADR" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - lets keep it Message-ID: <003c01c229b0$566619f0$d7e47e18@RMS> Folks: Before this turns into a whole bunch of "me-too" messages, Larry told me that he intended to honor all subscriptions that Monte had. Larry felt that was the only honorable course of action. It also means that he ain't mak'n any money in the next year or so but felt if enough new people signed up, it would make his decision less painful...I hope this is still true, or I'm toast. Randy "NetMom playing Larry" Stein South Soviet Monica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - lets keep it In a message dated 7/12/02 1:39:58 AM, lacapps@attbi.com writes: <> Am I correct in assuming that Monte Miller has absconded with my only half complete subscription monies? Please let me know. Steve Horn Dallas, TX --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:27:45 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Oshkosh Message-ID: <9089-3D2ECB41-576@storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net> Hi all. Well, my work here is finally done and we're heading for The big "O". (Don't panic, it doesn't start until July 23rd). We just happen to go up a week early and volunteer thru the show. To all of you lucky enough to be able to make it this year, we'll look fwd to seeing you there. I help out by driving the welcome wagon around and pick up incoming pilots & luggage and take them where they want to go (on the airport). Any and all KR's will be given the royal treatment (if there is such a thing) when you fly in if I'm able to be the one picking you up! If any of you need ANYTHING, feel free to call on me. I can be located on lot #52 in the volunteer campground (Audrey's Park). Or just ring my cell phone (239-821-4396) I'll be signing off the net shortly, so won't be able to catch messages sent to me until after Oshkosh. Hope to see all of you who can make it there. John Sickafoose Naples, Fl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:43:08 +1000 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: New engine !!!!! Message-ID: <006001c229a1$ae386480$fe97dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C229F5.7E9DEAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I bit the bullet and have paid a deposit on a new engine VW with rear gear drive and will turn 66 inch bolley 3 blade at 2,500 = rpm. I got the 1800 type one rear drive to save weight, it has all the mods = as the RG2000,Type 4 , alloy barrells twin carbs etc. all the same as = the one on the web page see my new engine at=20 http://www.vw-engines.com/ Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C229F5.7E9DEAC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:23:51 -0700 (PDT) To: KR Net From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> New engine !!!!! Message-ID: <20020712132351.55913.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations, Phillip, That's a beautiful engine and, I think, an excellent choice for your KR. Keep us posted on your progress. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Phillip Matheson wrote: > I bit the bullet and have paid a deposit on a new > engine > see my new engine at > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > Phil Matheson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:43:16 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "Ronald Freiberger" Subject: What I Don't like about KR Message-ID: I've always thought KR aircraft were excellent, but there are two things that have annoyed me; maybe I'm getting crotchety. When I moved last year, I had a real problem getting the fuselage moved, because the landing gear tread is just a bit wider that almost all rental trailer and car carriers. I would make it down to 80 inches if I did another. I envy those guys who built a plne in the alley in 6 weeks, 'cause my project runs into years. All this time, I've been working around that vertical stabiliser post sticking up like a sore ----. If I started from scratch, I'd pit in a dummy plug and glue that hummer on later. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:08:50 -0700 To: "'KRnet'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: RE: KR> What I Don't like about KR Message-ID: <9BA7A06DA8127B4B925954F3F8705D3405B8B790@XCH-SW-09.sw.nos.boeing.com> Ron Freiberger said: I've always thought KR aircraft were excellent, but there are two things that have annoyed me; maybe I'm getting crotchety. What's this Ron; Constructive Criticism? Careful; You may start a new trend and upset the "change for the sake of change" crowd. Since it's Friday, I will help you. I don't like the way the stock retract sucks air out of the cockpit and how difficult it is to seal this area. This characteristic draws exhaust gas in through the elevator opening. I also don't like how difficult it is to inspect the upper elevator cable to bellcrank attach point.... I like this Ron; trying to solve real problems instead of imagined problems. -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Freiberger [mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 6:43 AM To: KRNET Subject: KR> What I Don't like about KR I've always thought KR aircraft were excellent, but there are two things that have annoyed me; maybe I'm getting crotchety. When I moved last year, I had a real problem getting the fuselage moved, because the landing gear tread is just a bit wider that almost all rental trailer and car carriers. I would make it down to 80 inches if I did another. I envy those guys who built a plne in the alley in 6 weeks, 'cause my project runs into years. All this time, I've been working around that vertical stabiliser post sticking up like a sore ----. If I started from scratch, I'd pit in a dummy plug and glue that hummer on later. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:34:53 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: canopy types. Message-ID: <007b01c229b9$ab867700$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C22998.24427C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is the locking system that is important regardless of what type you = decide on. I had the left side opening on Stits Playboy fly open one = day at 1000 ft after take off in the winter at -30 deg. F.You cannot get = it down and latched with one hand.Stick between the knees and two hand = to relatch. Very cold at 110 mph. I prefer a sliding bolt latch ,back = and front, interconnected. Harold Woods --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C22998.24427C60-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:27:44 -0500 To: From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: canopies Message-ID: <002b01c229c1$0d2ee800$0200a8c0@dad> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C22997.242E2680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good post Mark - as usual. Also, just a reminder to everyone that the profusely illustrated book "Sportplane Construction Techniques" by = Binglelis has a good discussion of canopy options their features, good and = otherwise. He states that the gullwing door type is probably the easiest to build, seal, and secure. For you new guys, Tony Bingelis's 4 books related to homebuilding are must-reads. You can get them from EAA. If you are a member of a local chapter, you can buy them for 50% off (about $12.00 = per book - a steal) in the annual EAA chapter sale. This year I replaced = two of the books that I had loaned out and never got back - usually happens to = the books we value the most! Ed Janssen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" But as I've said before, if I were > building another one from scratch I'd do the fixed winshield/gullwing = door > thing that lots of folks are doing. They are quiet in flight, = weather > tight, resistant to being blown off with propwash, and safer from a rollover > standpoint. And if saving money is your main goal in life, this is = the > cheapest way to go.... ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C22997.242E2680-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************