From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 16 Jul 2002 14:08:06 -0000 Issue 475 Date: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:08 AM krnet Digest 16 Jul 2002 14:08:06 -0000 Issue 475 Topics (messages 11454 through 11481): First flight (Or lack of) 11454 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) Re: I'm sorry 11455 by: bstarrs Re: Cowl Inlets 11456 by: Phillip Matheson Re: KR Netiquette, project update 11457 by: Mark Langford Driving to OSH 11458 by: S. D. & D. D. HI 11459 by: alfabravo pilot Engine Reliability 11460 by: JIM VANCE Re: HI / plywood 11461 by: David Mullins Post of the week, well this week 11462 by: Daniel Heath 11466 by: Frank Ross ...Hi friends hi builders 11463 by: alfabravo pilot Wheels, Right place? 11464 by: WA7YXF.aol.com 11465 by: Ronald Freiberger 11467 by: Robert X. Cringely 11468 by: WA7YXF.aol.com 11470 by: Robert X. Cringely 11471 by: Robert X. Cringely 11475 by: virgnvs.juno.com 11478 by: Dana Overall WHEELS RIGHT/Tailwheel 11469 by: Gary Sprunger Re: Urgent Assistance 11472 by: bstarrs 11473 by: Ronald Freiberger Re: kr1 engine 11474 by: TONY SOLDANO KR1 age 11476 by: Cellcool 11477 by: Daniel Heath Wheels. Right place 11479 by: rfarmer 11480 by: rfarmer Re: KR1 age/plans 11481 by: Frank Ross Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:39:32 +0200 To: kr net From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: First flight (Or lack of) Message-ID: Hello Guys (& Gals) I had not much better to do so I looked at the accidents (on krnet), what surprises me is the amount of accidents are caused by the pilot stopping flying. Air speed is and always will be your friend without it you wont fly. The main cause of the lack of air speed is the big fan up front not performing as it should, but remember the aircraft CAN still fly without it. I am fast approaching the time where an engine needs to be installed (I am leaning toward the corvair). The one thing I learned from the accident reports is that the engine installation should be done right. Spend some time, plenty of money and good dose of common sense in this area and if all else fails keep flying as far into the crash as far as possible. Cheers Danny Sasolburg South Africa ********************************************************************** This e-mail and its attachments, if any, are intended only for use by the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, or both. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are strictly prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this email and its attachments, if any. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail, its attachments, and any printed copies of any of them. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:53:33 -0700 To: From: "bstarrs" Subject: Fw: KR> I'm sorry Message-ID: <002501c22b4e$9beae060$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Amen! It takes a man to say "I'm sorry" I just hope I have the guts to the next time I screw up. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Roe" To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: KR> I'm sorry > I would like to apologize to everyone for my inappropriate response to Matt > Dralle last week. I have been asked what I was thinking when I sent that > response and there lies the heart of the problem...I wasn't thinking. I > acted on an immature impulse and subjected all of you to the result of that > impulse. > > I am sorry, Bob Roe > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:26:27 +1000 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Cowl Inlets Message-ID: <000101c22b7c$f350e7e0$9a96dccb@Matheson> Mark wrote> I don't know what to tell you about the starter either. But I can tell you ------------------------------------------------------ A friend , Aub Coote, Australia . retired CFI has just finished and flown his KR2 Airopower VW He used a reverse air flow on his KR2, He made the bottom of the engine the High pressure Areas, and the air out lets on the top of the cowl in front of the screen. It works very well. Just a passing comment. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:18:18 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR Netiquette, project update Message-ID: <00b001c22b84$5bebc250$0100a8c0@TD310> Dan Heath wrote me (and I don't think he'll mind me sharing it): > I really appreciate your attempt at keeping order and it seems to be > working. There are a few items in the Netiquette that concerned me and I > feel obligated, compelled, to bring them to your attention. > > First, most of us are not expert enough to discuss all facets of an issue. > Most of us simply have an opinion or experience to share. I never expect to > write a "keeper", but do want to contribute my opinions and experiencesfor > others to consider in making their decisions. I also never want to be > considered an "expert" on any of this. I am just an amateur building an > experimental airplane. > > Second, I think that some would find the "ME TOO"s to add credibility to > what someone else had expressed and therefore find value in it. I know that > I do. > > My concern is that the net go quiet because people may feel that they are no > longer qualified to make a comment under the Netiquette. My intent was not to stifle KRnet communications, but to get the message across to one or two individuals who simply can't take a hint. I think he has two very good points there, so consider yourselves free to comment even if you are "just" an amateur builder. I guess what I was trying to say was "don't just make something up out of thin air if you have no idea what you're talking about", and we've certainly seen that before. And we don't mind a few ME TOO's, either, if it's beneficial. And while you don't HAVE to write any "keepers", if you know a lot about a subject, it's appreciated! I also had a request to teach people how to "cut and paste". On a PC, in most applications, put the cursor on one end of a chunk of text that you want to copy, press and hold the left mouse button and slide the cursor to the other end of the text and let go, and it'll all highlight blue. Then put the cursor on the blue stuff and click the RIGHT button, then pick "copy" from the resulting popup menu. Now put the cursor where you want the text to be copied to and right click and choose "paste" from the resulting menu. That's all there is to it. Now go back and highlight all of the junk that's left over down below your message and highlight it, and either hit the delete key or right click on the blue stuff and choose delete again. You can also use Ctl+C to copy without having to right click, or Ctl+V to paste without having to right click, but that'll just confuse you, I suspect. One other thing I would like to ADD to my whine list is the "reply to all" thing. You'd be amazed how many times I get two copies of a single email because I've replied to something up the line somewhere. It's not that tough to hit "reply all" and then highlight and delete everything out of the "TO" list EXCEPT KRnet. I figure your time is more important than mine, so I spend a second to pare it down to just KRnet so several other guys don't waste their time opening the same message twice and wondering why I'm so thoughtless. I know, I'm just being picky now. In other news, I've just finished a 2 week "basement purge" in an effort to hit the KR hard and finish it before Spring. I cut my 16 foot long work table in half, and rearranged so that I can fit the plane (without wings) in the back part of my basement. This way I can keep it heated and do finishing work over Winter. I just carried a pickup truck load of junk to the dump, and have a lot more room to manuever., wtih absolutely no junk laying around on the floor to get in my way. It's a joy to work in a clean space. I threw away my flip-o-matic during the last purge, so I built a new one yesterday and flipped it this morning so I can finish the stub wing junction, the bottom of the plane, the cowling interface, add the MAC trim servo, lengthen the lower gear brackets, mount the wheel pants, and paint the whole bottom. That way oil mist won't seep into my primer. But I'll probably fly the thing without paint on the rest of the plane, just in case I need to make modifications. But what are the chances I'd want to change anything... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:00:55 -0500 To: , From: "S. D. & D. D." Subject: Driving to OSH Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C22B81.ED8E59A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am driving from Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri, area through St. Louis, MO, then north toward Oshkosh. I have a 2 person dorm room reserved at the Univ of WI. Wife is not able to go this year so I am willing share ride and/or room with non-smoker for splitting costs. The total for the room was $240 for the week. Plans are to arrive late Monday the 22nd and return Sunday the 28th or Monday the 29th. Contact me offline if you are interested. Darryl DuRossette durosset@fidnet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C22B81.ED8E59A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:28:26 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "alfabravo pilot" Subject: HI Message-ID: hi...can I use the 3.5mm playwood to cover the fuselag? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:01:26 -0500 To: "kr net" From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: Engine Reliability Message-ID: <000a01c22bff$bb911ea0$34000a0a@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22BD5.D1748CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. That big fan on the front of an airplane is to keep the pilot cool. = When it stops turning, he starts sweating. 2. You can't have too much fuel, unless you are on fire. 3. It is better to get there slower than to soup up the engine beyond = its design horsepower and not get there at all. Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22BD5.D1748CE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:35:19 -0400 To: krnet From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> HI / plywood Message-ID: <3D32DDA7.9594C405@attbi.com> alfabravo If that is what you can get, go ahead. The only drawback is the weight penalty. I used 1/8" (3mm) 6 ply GLII birch plywood as that is what I could find locally. I purchased it from Harbor Sales in Maryland on one of my trips to Baltimore. Harbor no longer sells aircraft grade plywood. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Wiring the instrument panel and finishing the controls http://n323xl.iwarp.com alfabravo pilot wrote: > hi...can I use the 3.5mm playwood to cover the fuselag? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:36:19 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Post of the week, well this week Message-ID: Netters, Jerry and I have finally started setting up the cockpit. We thought you might like to see where we installed out carb controls. We have talked a lot about canopies, check out that head room. I think Jerry is about 5' 11". You can see it all by clicking on the link below. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:05:33 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Post of the week, well this week Message-ID: <20020715220533.99696.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, With that much head-room, he could be wearing a Stetson! Frank Ross in San Antonio, Texas, where it is STILL raining. --- Daniel Heath wrote: > check out that head room. I think > Jerry is about 5' 11". > Daniel R. 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Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:48:15 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "alfabravo pilot" Subject: ...Hi friends hi builders Message-ID: thanks to : Mr david mullins Mr Ed janssen Mr donald blankenship.......for them great help. well ...still I have some thousands of quistions........... 1- how should be the direction of the fibercloth lamination on the top and the botom of the wing? ...2-I'm looking for adrowing which shows and informs about the best way of applying fibercloth or cf on the wing. ...3- what is the best way of applying fibercloth or cf to get strong safty wing ....4-what shuld be the normal wight of the both wing after glassing them ?? ... my best regards and god save u all (inshaallah...as we say in oure languag) bravopilot _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:24:21 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Wheels, Right place? Message-ID: <177.b4fd00e.2a649785@aol.com> In the book "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft" Written by Vaughan Askue. He states: "As a crude rule of thumb, the tailwheel load should be 15 percent of the gross weight when the airplane is ready to fly" I found the following information sent to the net yesterday to be incomplete and not something you should use without checking the missing details. Lynn N37LH How do you make sure those wheels are in the right place? This is exactly what I recently asked Ladizlao Pazmany, "Most tricycle gear designs should put 25 percent of the weight on the nose gear." I recently asked Pazmany if there was a similar rule of thumb for taildraggers. There is: put eight percent of the weight on the tail. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:00:34 -0400 To: , From: "Ronald Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Wheels, Right place? Message-ID: Maybe that's why it's called a CRUDE rule of thumb. Also stands for TLAR, WHICH IS that looks about right VIRG ;o) -----Original Message----- From: WA7YXF@aol.com [mailto:WA7YXF@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:24 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Wheels, Right place? In the book "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft" Written by Vaughan Askue. He states: "As a crude rule of thumb, the tailwheel load should be 15 percent of the gross weight when the airplane is ready to fly" I found the following information sent to the net yesterday to be incomplete and not something you should use without checking the missing details. Lynn N37LH How do you make sure those wheels are in the right place? This is exactly what I recently asked Ladizlao Pazmany, "Most tricycle gear designs should put 25 percent of the weight on the nose gear." I recently asked Pazmany if there was a similar rule of thumb for taildraggers. There is: put eight percent of the weight on the tail. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:11:16 -0700 To: WA7YXF@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Wheels, Right place? Message-Id: I am at a loss to understand what was "incomplete" about my earlier post. Nor do I see why Askue, who to my knowledge has never designed an aircraft, should be better qualified that Pazmany, who has designed aircraft and wrote the definitive book on landing gear design. According to Pazmany, in fact, Askue's rule of thumb is downright dangerous. Bob At 10:42 AM -0800 3/1/02, info@pazmany.com wrote: >Dear Mr. Cringely, > >If you want a "rule of thumb" 7 to 10%... DO NOT GO OVER 10%. > >As you know...besides your technique as a pilot, there are many facts to be >considered that with proper calculations will give you the best evaluation >for your aircraft... > >best wishes, > >Margarita Pazmany At 5:24 PM -0400 7/15/02, WA7YXF@aol.com wrote: > In the book "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft" Written by Vaughan Askue. >He states: "As a crude rule of thumb, the tailwheel load should be 15 percent >of the gross weight when the airplane is ready to fly" >I found the following information sent to the net yesterday to be incomplete >and not something you should use without checking the missing details. Lynn >N37LH > > > How do you make sure those wheels are in the right >place? > > This is exactly what I recently asked Ladizlao >Pazmany, > > "Most tricycle gear designs should put 25 percent of >the > weight on the nose gear." > > I recently asked Pazmany if there was a similar rule >of thumb > for taildraggers. > There is: put eight percent of the weight on the >tail. > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:59:36 EDT To: bob@cringely.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Wheels, Right place? Message-ID: <1a2.5419b7a.2a64add8@aol.com> --part1_1a2.5419b7a.2a64add8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just tell us if its loaded or empty. Doesn't matter if its a KR or a DC-3. That one detail can make a BIG difference.. Lynn N37LH > I am at a loss to understand what was "incomplete" about my > earlier > post. Nor do I see why Askue, who to my knowledge has never designed > an aircraft, should be better qualified that Pazmany, who has > designed aircraft and wrote the definitive book on landing gear > design. According to Pazmany, in fact, Askue's rule of thumb is > downright dangerous. > --part1_1a2.5419b7a.2a64add8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:34:28 -0700 To: WA7YXF@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Wheels, Right place? Message-Id: As I wrote quite clearly in my original post, it is loaded. Bob At 6:59 PM -0400 7/15/02, WA7YXF@aol.com wrote: >Just tell us if its loaded or empty. Doesn't matter if its a KR or a DC-3. >That one detail can make a BIG difference.. Lynn N37LH > > >>I am at a loss to understand what was "incomplete" about my earlier >>post. Nor do I see why Askue, who to my knowledge has never designed >>an aircraft, should be better qualified that Pazmany, who has >>designed aircraft and wrote the definitive book on landing gear >>design. According to Pazmany, in fact, Askue's rule of thumb is >>downright dangerous. -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:35:45 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Wheels, Right place? Message-Id: As I wrote quite clearly in my original post, it is loaded. Bob At 6:59 PM -0400 7/15/02, WA7YXF@aol.com wrote: >Just tell us if its loaded or empty. Doesn't matter if its a KR or a DC-3. >That one detail can make a BIG difference.. Lynn N37LH > > >>I am at a loss to understand what was "incomplete" about my earlier >>post. Nor do I see why Askue, who to my knowledge has never designed >>an aircraft, should be better qualified that Pazmany, who has >>designed aircraft and wrote the definitive book on landing gear >>design. According to Pazmany, in fact, Askue's rule of thumb is >>downright dangerous. -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:50:30 -0400 To: ron.martha@mindspring.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org, WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Wheels, Right place? Message-ID: <20020715.235734.-516639.1.virgnvs@juno.com> The paragraph below was not sent by me, Virg On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:00:34 -0400 "Ronald Freiberger" writes: > Maybe that's why it's called a CRUDE rule of thumb. > Also stands for TLAR, WHICH IS that looks about right > VIRG ;o) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: WA7YXF@aol.com [mailto:WA7YXF@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:24 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Wheels, Right place? > > In the book "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft" Written by Vaughan > Askue. > He states: "As a crude rule of thumb, the tailwheel load should be > 15 > percent > of the gross weight when the airplane is ready to fly" > I found the following information sent to the net yesterday to be > incomplete > and not something you should use without checking the missing > details. Lynn > N37LH > > > How do you make sure those wheels are in the > right > place? > > This is exactly what I recently asked > Ladizlao > Pazmany, > > "Most tricycle gear designs should put 25 > percent of > the > weight on the nose gear." > > I recently asked Pazmany if there was a > similar rule > of thumb > for taildraggers. > There is: put eight percent of the weight > on the > tail. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > or additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:56:53 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Wheels, Right place? Message-ID: My RV project looks to have an empty tailwheel weight of right at 6% of gross. Once again this is empty so it will weight more with any passenger or baggage. One bit of caution, when weighting your taildragger, the airplane must me weighted in level flight attitude not with the tail dragging the ground. For ex.: My RV should have a tailwheel weight of about 65lbs. empty at an arm of 249.19. With the outer wings off my KR, I had to put lead weights around the tailwheel to keep in from tipping over on it's nose. But then again, I ran as far away from the published aft CG point as I could. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com >From: virgnvs@juno.com >To: ron.martha@mindspring.com >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org, WA7YXF@aol.com >Subject: Re: KR> Wheels, Right place? >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:50:30 -0400 > > The paragraph below was not sent by me, Virg > >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:00:34 -0400 "Ronald Freiberger" > writes: > > Maybe that's why it's called a CRUDE rule of thumb. > > Also stands for TLAR, WHICH IS that looks about right > > VIRG ;o) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: WA7YXF@aol.com [mailto:WA7YXF@aol.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:24 PM > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: KR> Wheels, Right place? > > > > In the book "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft" Written by Vaughan > > Askue. > > He states: "As a crude rule of thumb, the tailwheel load should be > > 15 > > percent > > of the gross weight when the airplane is ready to fly" > > I found the following information sent to the net yesterday to be > > incomplete > > and not something you should use without checking the missing > > details. Lynn > > N37LH > > > > > > How do you make sure those wheels are in the > > right > > place? > > > > This is exactly what I recently asked > > Ladizlao > > Pazmany, > > > > "Most tricycle gear designs should put 25 > > percent of > > the > > weight on the nose gear." > > > > I recently asked Pazmany if there was a > > similar rule > > of thumb > > for taildraggers. > > There is: put eight percent of the weight > > on the > > tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > or additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Dana Overall Richmond, KY 7 Emp. wings ordered http://63.69.213.180/newtech/danas_airplane_factory/project.html do not archive _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:13:23 -0600 To: From: "Gary Sprunger" Subject: WHEELS RIGHT/Tailwheel Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C22C2B.4EC93420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why not compare the percentage on the tailwheel of know aircraft, like Sw= ift, Pacer, Stinson, under the same load for flight of each aircraft and = see what the ratio is? And use that info with the likes of Pazmany and = Askue. =20 G Sprunger Evergreen, CO KR2 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C22C2B.4EC93420-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:42:16 -0700 To: "Tom Norwood" , "Margie Conder" , "Jake Jacobs" , "Bob Francia" , , "Gary&Diane Geib" , "Rev. Ken Babington" , , "Mark Starrs" , "Kevin Starrs" , "Kerry Starrs" , "Joseph Starrs" , "Christopher Starrs" , "Bill McCarthy" , "Christopher Kraker" , "AnnMarrie Kraker" , "Rev. James Conley" , "Pat Feeley" , "Michael" , "Leon Ellis" , "John Lamon" , "Jane Kosco" , "Fr.Daren Merlino" , "Fr. Fred LeClair" , "Father Meinrad Miller" , "Bill Gagnon" , "Ben" , From: "bstarrs" Subject: Fw: Fw: Urgent Assistance Message-ID: <003001c22c61$ac198a40$9200a8c0@bstarrs> PLEASE READ YOU MAY SAVE SOME ONE FROM MAKING A VERY BAD CHOICE. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "AG Inquiries" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Urgent Assistance Subject: Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, "OPERATION 4-1-9" The Special Investigations Section has experienced an increase in inquiries relating to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud scam. It, or some variation, has been under way for a few years. This matter is being handled by the United States Secret Service (USSS). The following information can be located on the USSS web site at: http://www.secretservice.gov/index.shtml Click on Investigations, click on Financial Crimes, under Table of Contents, click on Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud - Operation 4-1-9. The perpetrators of Advance Fee Fraud are often very creative and innovative. This fraud is called "4-1-9" fraud after the section of the Nigerian penal code that addresses fraud schemes. Nigerian nationals, purporting to be officials of their government or banking institutions, will fax or mail letters to individuals and businesses in the United States and other countries. The correspondence will inform the recipient that a reputable foreign company or individual is needed for the deposit of an overpayment on a procurement contract. The letter will claim that the Nigerian government overpaid anywhere from $10 to $60 million on these contracts. There is the perception that no one would enter such an obviously suspicious relationship; however, many victims have been enticed into believing they can share in such windfall profits. Individuals are asked to provide funds to cover various fees and for personal identifiers such as Social Security numbers, bank account numbers, and other similar data. Once this information is received, the victims find that they have lost large sums of money. It is hard to pinpoint how much has been lost in these scams since many victims do not report their losses to authorities due to fear or embarrassment. In response to this growing epidemic, the Secret Service established "Operation 4-1-9" to target Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud on an international basis. Indications are that losses attributed to Advance Fee Fraud are in the hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Agents on temporary assignment to the American Embassy in Lagos, Nigeria, in conjunction with the Regional Security Office, supplied information in the form of investigative leads to the Federal Investigation and Intelligence Bureau (FIIB) of the Nigerian National Police. This project was designed to provide Nigerian law enforcement officials with investigative leads to enable them to enforce their own jurisdictional violations. On July 2, 1996, officials of the FIIB, accompanied by Secret Service agents in an observer/advisor role, executed search warrants on 16 location in Lagos that resulted in the arrests of 43 Nigerian nationals. Evidence seized included telephones and facsimile machines, government and Central Bank of Nigeria letterhead, international business directories, scam letters, and addressed envelopes, and files containing correspondence from victims throughout the world. The secret service is currently working the newest edition of these e-mails. We also have a warning posted on the homepage of our website. There is indeed an email where Nigerian solicitations can be sent. It is run by a task force in Washington, D.C. and its address is 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov Secret Service Web-site address: http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/financial_crimes.shtml#Nigerian E-mail address for Nigerian Scam at the United States Treasury - Secret Service 419 Advance fee scheme: http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/contact_fcd.shtml >>> "bstarrs" 07/12/02 10:40AM >>> I thought you be interested in this SCAM . It has many variations and has been arround for long time. Most of it comes out of Africa. Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom oki" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:43 AM Subject: Urgent Assistance > ATTN Chief Executive Officer, > > Dear Sir, > > I NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. > > Out of desperation, I have decided to contact you to > seek your assistance in solving this problem. > > Presently, I have US$ 20M (Twenty Million United > State Dollars) which was supposed to be paid in a > correspondent Bank in New York. This money emanated > from a contract awarded and executed by my foreign > partner Mr. Ed Meeker of Orpec Int'l, Cushing > Oklahoma. USA. > > Unfortunately, Mr. Ed Meeker passed in Transition on > the 19th January 2001. Since then I have been trying > to contact his only daughter but without success. If > much time is wasted in collecting this money, it will > be returned to the Nigerian Treasury and collecting it > will be difficult. Unscrupulous officials might even > divert the money if nobody comes forward to indicate > claim. > > The assistance I require from you now, if you do > accept my appeal is to write a fax letter to the > Federal Ministry of Finance from a text I shall send > to you stating that you are a Director of Orpec Int'l > and would want transfer of the fund to new account. I > shall take care of any responsibility here. > > For your assistance, you shall have 25% of the total > sum, 30% will be held in trust by you for the Mr. Ed > Meeker's only child until when we find her. 40% for > myself while the balance 5% will be set aside for > expenses in course of the transaction.. > > I strongly assure you that there is no risk of what > so ever to you in your country or myself here. > > If you are interested or willing to give a helping > hand, please contact me immediately to give you more > details. > > Anticipating your urgent response. > > Tom Oki. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:44:03 -0400 To: From: "Ronald Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Fw: Urgent Assistance Message-ID: I really think we're through with Nigerians, unless one of them wants to build a KRX From Ron Freiberger ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: bstarrs [mailto:bstarrs@cybertrails.com] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:42 PM To: Tom Norwood; Margie Conder; Jake Jacobs; Bob Francia; Fatcat412@aol.com; Gary&Diane Geib; Rev. Ken Babington; Surfpuptom@aol.com; Mark Starrs; Kevin Starrs; Kerry Starrs; Joseph Starrs; Christopher Starrs; Bill McCarthy; Christopher Kraker; AnnMarrie Kraker; Rev. James Conley; Pat Feeley; Michael; Leon Ellis; John Lamon; Jane Kosco; Fr.Daren Merlino; Fr. Fred LeClair; Father Meinrad Miller; Bill Gagnon; Ben; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Fw: Fw: Urgent Assistance PLEASE READ YOU MAY SAVE SOME ONE FROM MAKING A VERY BAD CHOICE. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "AG Inquiries" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Urgent Assistance Subject: Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, "OPERATION 4-1-9" The Special Investigations Section has experienced an increase in inquiries relating to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud scam. It, or some variation, has been under way for a few years. This matter is being handled by the United States Secret Service (USSS). The following information can be located on the USSS web site at: http://www.secretservice.gov/index.shtml Click on Investigations, click on Financial Crimes, under Table of Contents, click on Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud - Operation 4-1-9. The perpetrators of Advance Fee Fraud are often very creative and innovative. This fraud is called "4-1-9" fraud after the section of the Nigerian penal code that addresses fraud schemes. Nigerian nationals, purporting to be officials of their government or banking institutions, will fax or mail letters to individuals and businesses in the United States and other countries. The correspondence will inform the recipient that a reputable foreign company or individual is needed for the deposit of an overpayment on a procurement contract. The letter will claim that the Nigerian government overpaid anywhere from $10 to $60 million on these contracts. There is the perception that no one would enter such an obviously suspicious relationship; however, many victims have been enticed into believing they can share in such windfall profits. Individuals are asked to provide funds to cover various fees and for personal identifiers such as Social Security numbers, bank account numbers, and other similar data. Once this information is received, the victims find that they have lost large sums of money. It is hard to pinpoint how much has been lost in these scams since many victims do not report their losses to authorities due to fear or embarrassment. In response to this growing epidemic, the Secret Service established "Operation 4-1-9" to target Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud on an international basis. Indications are that losses attributed to Advance Fee Fraud are in the hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Agents on temporary assignment to the American Embassy in Lagos, Nigeria, in conjunction with the Regional Security Office, supplied information in the form of investigative leads to the Federal Investigation and Intelligence Bureau (FIIB) of the Nigerian National Police. This project was designed to provide Nigerian law enforcement officials with investigative leads to enable them to enforce their own jurisdictional violations. On July 2, 1996, officials of the FIIB, accompanied by Secret Service agents in an observer/advisor role, executed search warrants on 16 location in Lagos that resulted in the arrests of 43 Nigerian nationals. Evidence seized included telephones and facsimile machines, government and Central Bank of Nigeria letterhead, international business directories, scam letters, and addressed envelopes, and files containing correspondence from victims throughout the world. The secret service is currently working the newest edition of these e-mails. We also have a warning posted on the homepage of our website. There is indeed an email where Nigerian solicitations can be sent. It is run by a task force in Washington, D.C. and its address is 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov Secret Service Web-site address: http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/financial_crimes.shtml#Nigerian E-mail address for Nigerian Scam at the United States Treasury - Secret Service 419 Advance fee scheme: http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/contact_fcd.shtml >>> "bstarrs" 07/12/02 10:40AM >>> I thought you be interested in this SCAM . It has many variations and has been arround for long time. Most of it comes out of Africa. Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom oki" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:43 AM Subject: Urgent Assistance > ATTN Chief Executive Officer, > > Dear Sir, > > I NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. > > Out of desperation, I have decided to contact you to > seek your assistance in solving this problem. > > Presently, I have US$ 20M (Twenty Million United > State Dollars) which was supposed to be paid in a > correspondent Bank in New York. This money emanated > from a contract awarded and executed by my foreign > partner Mr. Ed Meeker of Orpec Int'l, Cushing > Oklahoma. USA. > > Unfortunately, Mr. Ed Meeker passed in Transition on > the 19th January 2001. Since then I have been trying > to contact his only daughter but without success. If > much time is wasted in collecting this money, it will > be returned to the Nigerian Treasury and collecting it > will be difficult. Unscrupulous officials might even > divert the money if nobody comes forward to indicate > claim. > > The assistance I require from you now, if you do > accept my appeal is to write a fax letter to the > Federal Ministry of Finance from a text I shall send > to you stating that you are a Director of Orpec Int'l > and would want transfer of the fund to new account. I > shall take care of any responsibility here. > > For your assistance, you shall have 25% of the total > sum, 30% will be held in trust by you for the Mr. Ed > Meeker's only child until when we find her. 40% for > myself while the balance 5% will be set aside for > expenses in course of the transaction.. > > I strongly assure you that there is no risk of what > so ever to you in your country or myself here. > > If you are interested or willing to give a helping > hand, please contact me immediately to give you more > details. > > Anticipating your urgent response. > > Tom Oki. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:57:00 -0400 To: , , From: "TONY SOLDANO" Subject: Re: KR> kr1 engine Message-ID: <003801c22c6c$14d9bfa0$20c73a41@compaq> Gentlemen I just purchased an engine from a plane that crashed.I am not sure of its origin and the type of plane.The engine had a prop strike but still turns over very smoothly.I am interested in stripping it for parts,mag,intake man.,ect.The guy i got it from got the engine when he purchased a vw from the plane owner.He had no idea what he had. When i got the engine i also got a new crank and prop hub.In the crank box was some info about kr1 landing gear.the crank has h.a.p.i.prop hub.Is hapi still around?posa carb on it to but may just use it for a paper weight after hearing you guys trash it.it also has a slick 4216 mag.can anyone tell me about it? what do you guys think thanks tony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:50:32 +0200 To: "KRNET" From: "Cellcool" Subject: KR1 age Message-ID: <004301c22c95$2d415200$0100a8c0@john> ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C22CA5.D8018740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I need some assurance on a KR1 project. I have purchased a semi-complete KR1 that was started in 1982.=20 The fuselage, tail, control wires, etc. are all finished, only the = cosmetic finishing on the fuselage, the engine mountings and the outer = wings are still to be done. The outer wings were started and all the foam has been glued in and = shaped, the spars are coated with what seems to be resin to seal them = but the WAF's were mounted wrongly as the width of the WAF stubs on both = sides are exactly the same so the wing cannot be mounted, I assume the = wing side WAF stubs fit on the outside of the of the inner wing WAF = stubs. My main worry is that the timber used in the wing spar has dried out to = the extent that it has become brittle, is this possible? It is sealed = completely with the epoxy, even the ends.=20 I have the plans but they seem so incomplete that a lot of guesswork = seems to be required Thanks John Little ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C22CA5.D8018740-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:21:13 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR1 age Message-ID: John, If the wood is well sealed, I believe that it is OK. My first KR, which I flew for 6 years, was a very old project that I purchased. Plans number 886. This KR is also a very old project, maybe even older than the first and I have no concerns about the wood as it was covered in polyurethane. Don't use polyurethane. I cannot comment about the WAFs but I can send you pictures of ours offline, if you like. My advise on the plans is to part with a few bucks and buy a new set. I really believe that this will save you a lot of money in the long run. The old plans had a lot of mistakes in them. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:27:08 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "rfarmer" Subject: Wheels. Right place Message-ID: <001001c22cbb$b9a4ffa0$e55b62d8@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C22C9A.31A9EA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are 2 reports from Airplane PDQ one with the gear too far aft & one = with an acceptable location, note the weights and angle from the CG of = the gear. The program is useful even if you are just thinking about = making small changes to an existing design. I hope the formatting comes through OK or this may be hard to read. Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net Landing Gear Geometry Check Parameter SI Units User Units=20 Forward CG Gear Angle 0.2337 rad 13.39 deg=20 Aft CG Gear Angle 0.3242 rad 18.58 deg=20 Track Angle 0.7482 rad 42.87 deg=20 Overturn Angle 0.5873 rad 33.65 deg=20 Min Main Gear Weight Fraction (%) 86.91 =20 Max Main Gear Weight Fraction (%) 89.38 =20 Landing Gear Geometry Check Parameter SI Units User Units=20 Forward CG Gear Angle 0.1899 rad 10.88 deg=20 Aft CG Gear Angle 0.2813 rad 16.12 deg=20 Track Angle 0.7403 rad 42.42 deg=20 Overturn Angle 0.591 rad 33.86 deg=20 Min Main Gear Weight Fraction (%) 87.76 =20 Max Main Gear Weight Fraction (%) 90.24 =20 Forward CG position is too far forward relative to main gear. The = aircraft may have a tendency to fall over on its nose. The forward CG = gear angle should be greater than 13. deg. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C22C9A.31A9EA00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:37:00 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Bob Farmer" Subject: KR> Wheels. Right place Message-ID: <002801c22cc5$7cb659e0$e55b62d8@oemcomputer> Here are 3 reports. I did a 3rd report to show forward & aft out of limits as well as one within range (this was an example and did not represent any airplane, especially a KR, but it was a side by side low wing). These were in tables which made them easy to read but the formatting was lost so you will just have to read across. After a few it should make some sense. I don't think it's as simple as % of weight on tail wheel. From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> KR1 age/plans Message-ID: <20020716140828.45140.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> John, A new set of plans will help, but you might still find them disappointing. They are very poor plans. As well as a new set of KR-1 plans, I would suggest you look for a good set of used plans for a KR-2 or KR2-S. Either will make the plans for the KR-1 MUCH easier to understand. And then you'll have another project to start on when you get this one done. Good luck with your project. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Cellcool wrote: > Hi all, > I need some assurance on a KR1 project. > I have the plans but they seem so incomplete that a > lot of guesswork seems to be required > Thanks > John Little __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************