From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 19 Jul 2002 22:00:07 -0000 Issue 477 Date: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:00 PM krnet Digest 19 Jul 2002 22:00:07 -0000 Issue 477 Topics (messages 11512 through 11541): Re: Monte and the newsletter. 11512 by: David Mullins 11513 by: Dana Overall Re: Monte and the newsletter - Call to action 11514 by: BSHADR 11515 by: Ron Eason 11517 by: Dana Overall 11519 by: Ron Eason 11520 by: Frank Ross 11521 by: ROBERT COOPER 11523 by: CHOCTAWCWR.aol.com Zenith carb 11516 by: Oscar Zuniga Re-Zenith carbs. 11518 by: Sam Sayer Bad advice 11522 by: RFG842.aol.com 11526 by: Dana Overall re virus alert. 11524 by: Audrey and Harold Woods 11531 by: Frank Ross KR2 World Tour 11525 by: Phil Maley Photo of the Week 11527 by: Mark Jones 11529 by: Rick KR Newsletter 11528 by: Mark Jones Re: KR2 Crash 11530 by: Glasco 11533 by: Mark Jones 11538 by: Glasco Newsletter Subscriptions 11532 by: JIM VANCE Hello 11534 by: alfabravo pilot 11536 by: alfabravo pilot wood for longerons 11535 by: Audrey and Harold Woods Hi again 11537 by: alfabravo pilot Re: Monte 11539 by: Sam Sayer Newsletter Plea 11540 by: Gary W. Haun Wood Stress cracks 11541 by: Ronald Freiberger Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:41:07 -0400 To: krnet From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter. Message-ID: <3D36B763.DB904500@attbi.com> Dana and Newsletter Subscribers, I am the longest subscriber to the KR Newsletter. I had just renewed my subscription for two years with the #283 issue. I emailed Monte for a refund for the remaining 1.5 years left on my subscription. Monte sent me a check for the remainder without a problem. That check will be forwarded to Larry Capps to pay for my subscription with him and another $24 for another year. Larry told me that over half of the current subscribers are owed 6 months or more of issues. I will be contributing articles, time, and expertise to Larry's venture. I am my chapters newsletter editor and I work in the publications department of Raytheon. This will be a major influx of new blood to the KR movement. The KR Newsletter was getting stagnant, even though I enjoyed finding it in my mailbox every month. Don't be left out by not resubscribing. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Dana Overall wrote: > I've got to ask. Just how many subscriptions was Monte sending out at his > end of the run? It sounds to me like Monte pocketed the unamortized > subscription money without forwarding the unrealized portion of outstanding > subscriptions. Isn't he in TX? No matter, I will guarantee each and every > state has provisions that address this type of action. A simple call to the > state attorney general, of the appropriate state, will bring about action > through their consumer protection branch. It may not seem like much money > to each individual, but if this is what has occurred there would be a > failure to make required disposition on Monte's part. If he has already > legally relinquished the rights to publication, then his failure to perform > would be basis for a demand of adherence. In the State of Kentucky, it > would be a criminal offence of theft by failure to make required disposition > if he pocketed the unrealized portion of subcription monies. It just may be > enough $ to keep this thing going and simply is the required performance on > the part of the relinquisher. > > Just thinking out loud as if a client had walked into my office after buying > such an ongoing entity. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:11:18 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter. Message-ID: >Dana and Newsletter Subscribers, > I emailed Monte for a refund >for the remaining 1.5 years left on my subscription. Monte sent me a check >for the remainder without a problem. > >Larry told me that over half of the current subscribers are owed 6 months >or >more of issues. I hope that Monte is refunding these amounts without everyone having to ask. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:45:44 -0700 To: From: "BSHADR" Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter - Call to action Message-ID: <002401c22e69$cbb86ba0$d7e47e18@RMS> Folks: Dana makes a good point. Why didn't I think of that? I would not expect that Larry would should be doing the screaming, but I do think all of the subscribers who lost out should join together and file a grumble. Due to Monte's actions, they have been wronged AND we risk the loss of the one good vehicle that we have to keep the KRArchives alive. Success floats on Mr. Miller doing the ethical thing. Who in Texas is willing to volunteer to spearhead a protest effort and collect the info from each subscriber who got snookered? I think there are some ways to be most effective: 1) Gather all of the names and file a formal complaint via a resident of the Fine State of Texas. 2) Each person who lost out send a letter & email to the Texas Attorney General describing their loss. Our Texas pointman could post the contact info for us. 3) Publicly asking Monte's EAA Chapter if others have suffered a similar loss due to his actions. Nothing disparaging, just a innocent request for an answer, i.e., "Monte Miller of ______ Texas just quit publishing the KR Newsletter and does not intend to forward the remaining unused portion of the subscription funds back to the subscribers. He also will not forwarded the funds to the guy who bought the rights to the newsletter. Has anyone else had this happen to them? Does anyone know Mr. Miller personally and can they ask him why he did this? I don't understand what appears to me to be 'Enron' behavior on the part of Mr. Miller." 4) Posting to each e-mail list that knows Monte asking the same question as #3. Roaches don't like being exposed to the light of day. They are happiest to be in the dark were their actions go unseen. Me thinks some humans may prefer the same cover of darkness because of their less-than-ethical actions. Reverend Mom South Ethical Monica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:40 AM Subject: KR> Monte and the newsletter. > I've got to ask. Just how many subscriptions was Monte sending out at his > end of the run? It sounds to me like Monte pocketed the unamortized > subscription money without forwarding the unrealized portion of outstanding > subscriptions. Isn't he in TX? No matter, I will guarantee each and every > state has provisions that address this type of action. A simple call to the > state attorney general, of the appropriate state, will bring about action > through their consumer protection branch. It may not seem like much money > to each individual, but if this is what has occurred there would be a > failure to make required disposition on Monte's part. If he has already > legally relinquished the rights to publication, then his failure to perform > would be basis for a demand of adherence. In the State of Kentucky, it > would be a criminal offence of theft by failure to make required disposition > if he pocketed the unrealized portion of subcription monies. It just may be > enough $ to keep this thing going and simply is the required performance on > the part of the relinquisher. > > Just thinking out loud as if a client had walked into my office after buying > such an ongoing entity. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:35:37 -0700 To: , "BSHADR" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter - Call to action Message-Id: <200207180835.AA195494180@jrl-engineering.com> I believe Monte treated everyone fairly. A few dimes is nothing to get all in a huff over. I don't think we as a group supported the News Letter, some of us didn't pay are dues for one reason or another. Remember, pointing a finger at someone shows three point back at you. Let it go. He did a good job keeping the letter going for a long time and we should let a good man go in pease. He is one of in our KR family. KRRon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "BSHADR" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:45:44 -0700 >Folks: > >Dana makes a good point. Why didn't I think of that? I would not expect >that Larry would should be doing the screaming, but I do think all of the >subscribers who lost out should join together and file a grumble. Due to >Monte's actions, they have been wronged AND we risk the loss of the one good >vehicle that we have to keep the KRArchives alive. Success floats on Mr. >Miller doing the ethical thing. > >Who in Texas is willing to volunteer to spearhead a protest effort and >collect the info from each subscriber who got snookered? I think there are >some ways to be most effective: > >1) Gather all of the names and file a formal complaint via a resident of the >Fine State of Texas. > >2) Each person who lost out send a letter & email to the Texas Attorney >General describing their loss. Our Texas pointman could post the contact >info for us. > >3) Publicly asking Monte's EAA Chapter if others have suffered a similar >loss due to his actions. Nothing disparaging, just a innocent request for >an answer, i.e., "Monte Miller of ______ Texas just quit publishing the KR >Newsletter and does not intend to forward the remaining unused portion of >the subscription funds back to the subscribers. He also will not forwarded >the funds to the guy who bought the rights to the newsletter. Has anyone >else had this happen to them? Does anyone know Mr. Miller personally and >can they ask him why he did this? I don't understand what appears to me to >be 'Enron' behavior on the part of Mr. Miller." > >4) Posting to each e-mail list that knows Monte asking the same question as >#3. > >Roaches don't like being exposed to the light of day. They are happiest to >be in the dark were their actions go unseen. Me thinks some humans may >prefer the same cover of darkness because of their less-than-ethical >actions. > >Reverend Mom >South Ethical Monica, CA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dana Overall" >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:40 AM >Subject: KR> Monte and the newsletter. > > >> I've got to ask. Just how many subscriptions was Monte sending out at his >> end of the run? It sounds to me like Monte pocketed the unamortized >> subscription money without forwarding the unrealized portion of >outstanding >> subscriptions. Isn't he in TX? No matter, I will guarantee each and >every >> state has provisions that address this type of action. A simple call to >the >> state attorney general, of the appropriate state, will bring about action >> through their consumer protection branch. It may not seem like much money >> to each individual, but if this is what has occurred there would be a >> failure to make required disposition on Monte's part. If he has already >> legally relinquished the rights to publication, then his failure to >perform >> would be basis for a demand of adherence. In the State of Kentucky, it >> would be a criminal offence of theft by failure to make required >disposition >> if he pocketed the unrealized portion of subcription monies. It just may >be >> enough $ to keep this thing going and simply is the required performance >on >> the part of the relinquisher. >> >> Just thinking out loud as if a client had walked into my office after >buying >> such an ongoing entity. >> >> Dana Overall >> Richmond, KY >> http://rvflying.tripod.com >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >> http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:53:08 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter - Call to action Message-ID: >From: "Ron Eason" > >I believe Monte treated everyone fairly. Sorry but Monte was very animate in his statement that his publication of the newsletter was nothing more than a for profit business venture. In that, he is required by law to adhere to requisite conduct. I don't buy into pocketing unearned income............"just because". He was in business, he stated so. So it's fair to pocket money you haven't earned, based on past performance? So, let's see here........I obtain a retainer and fail to execute future required services (I did good work before), how on God's green earth can one say I treated this client fairly. It's not the money here, it's the future of the KR newsletter. Let's say I'm a fairly new subscriber and I get taken (I failed to call Monte, if I did, I'm sure he would refund my money), I'm thinking twice about subscribing to the next one. I would recommend Larry contact all current subscribers (it was a large list) and have them phone Monte to get their money back. I just looked at the bill of sale. At the bottom is a statement where Monte waived any responsibility to current subscribers. Sorry, but one cannot waived a legally bound obligation. It's not about the money, it's about the future of the Newsletter. If Monte is returning money on his own, then this is a moot point and good for him. It sounds as if you call Monte, he is refunding money. However, it should have went to the new publisher. If he is not, one does not have to have standing in the state of residence, in the criminal aspect of such a case; only in tort. That's were the state attorney general comes into play. All states have subscriber laws on the books to cover just such a scenario. Let's hope this is not the case in this matter. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:54:54 -0700 To: , "Dana Overall" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter - Call to action Message-Id: <200207181154.AA348520762@jrl-engineering.com> How much money is involved? Dose anyone really know? Are we talking about = thousands of dollars or a few dollars? Even Larry has to run a for profit = publication. Dose anyone expect him to run a negative cash flow? A charit= y? Not I. I will support Larry fiancially. I have not ask or recieved any= rebate of money from my lost subscription. Let it go. Let build KR's. KRRon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dana Overall" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:53:08 -0400 > > > >>From: "Ron Eason" > >> >>I believe Monte treated everyone fairly. > >Sorry but Monte was very animate in his statement that his publication of = >the newsletter was nothing more than a for profit business venture. In >that, he is required by law to adhere to requisite conduct. I don't buy >into pocketing unearned income............"just because". He was in >business, he stated so. So it's fair to pocket money you haven't earned, >based on past performance? So, let's see here........I obtain a retainer = >and fail to execute future required services (I did good work before), how= >on God's green earth can one say I treated this client fairly. It's not t= he >money here, it's the future of the KR newsletter. Let's say I'm a fairly = >new subscriber and I get taken (I failed to call Monte, if I did, I'm sure= >he would refund my money), I'm thinking twice about subscribing to the nex= t >one. I would recommend Larry contact all current subscribers (it was a >large list) and have them phone Monte to get their money back. > >I just looked at the bill of sale. At the bottom is a statement where Mon= te >waived any responsibility to current subscribers. Sorry, but one cannot >waived a legally bound obligation. > >It's not about the money, it's about the future of the Newsletter. > >If Monte is returning money on his own, then this is a moot point and good= >for him. It sounds as if you call Monte, he is refunding money. However,= >it should have went to the new publisher. If he is not, one does not have= >to have standing in the state of residence, in the criminal aspect of such= a >case; only in tort. That's were the state attorney general comes into pla= y. > All states have subscriber laws on the books to cover just such a >scenario. Let's hope this is not the case in this matter. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >http://rvflying.tripod.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:16:49 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter - Call to action Message-ID: <20020718191649.78377.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> If ya'll are gonna run over and tar and feather Monte, can you do it on your own time please? Thank you. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Dana Overall wrote: > > > > >From: "Ron Eason" > > > > >I believe Monte treated everyone fairly. > > Sorry but Monte was very animate in his statement > that his publication of > the newsletter was nothing more than a for profit > business venture. In > that, he is required by law to adhere to requisite > conduct. I don't buy > into pocketing unearned income............"just > because". He was in > business, he stated so. So it's fair to pocket money > you haven't earned, > based on past performance? So, let's see > here........I obtain a retainer > and fail to execute future required services (I did > good work before), how > on God's green earth can one say I treated this > client fairly. It's not the > money here, it's the future of the KR newsletter. > Let's say I'm a fairly > new subscriber and I get taken (I failed to call > Monte, if I did, I'm sure > he would refund my money), I'm thinking twice about > subscribing to the next > one. I would recommend Larry contact all current > subscribers (it was a > large list) and have them phone Monte to get their > money back. > > I just looked at the bill of sale. At the bottom is > a statement where Monte > waived any responsibility to current subscribers. > Sorry, but one cannot > waived a legally bound obligation. > > It's not about the money, it's about the future of > the Newsletter. > > If Monte is returning money on his own, then this is > a moot point and good > for him. It sounds as if you call Monte, he is > refunding money. However, > it should have went to the new publisher. If he is > not, one does not have > to have standing in the state of residence, in the > criminal aspect of such a > case; only in tort. That's were the state attorney > general comes into play. > All states have subscriber laws on the books to > cover just such a > scenario. Let's hope this is not the case in this > matter. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > http://rvflying.tripod.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:01:34 -0400 To: "BSHADR" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter - Call to action Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C22E74.63D23600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I probably lost a few bucks in this transision of the of the newsletter b= ut please don't include me on any action. I'm just glad that Larry is pic= king up the ball and continuing to play, I am glad to be a part of his te= am. If you are buildig an experimental airplane and get upset every time = you loose a few dollars, you may as well close up the shop right now. A f= ew weeks ago when I was taking my trash to the street I picked up a tube = which I thought was a fiberglass roll which I had recently finished. I fe= w days later I realized that that tube contained a $40+ piano hinge. No n= eed to cry over spilt milk. Jack Cooper ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C22E74.63D23600-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:59:58 EDT To: ron@jrl-engineering.com, krnet@mailinglists.org, BSHADR@attbi.com From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Monte and the newsletter - Call to action Message-ID: <16d.10bcf782.2a68864e@aol.com> --part1_16d.10bcf782.2a68864e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/02 10:36:05 AM Central Daylight Time, ron@jrl-engineering.com writes: > I believe Monte treated everyone fairly thanks ron for saying exactly what i was thinking. charles robison atlanta, tx --part1_16d.10bcf782.2a68864e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:29:27 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Zenith carb Message-ID: Brian Kraut writes (regarding mixture control): >The most obvious way to do this is to connect the cable to a gear rack >and have it turn a pinion gear, but this brings thoughts of added >friction and a stripped gear if the mixture knob is slammed forward And Serge F. VIDAL added: >your maximum adjustment will be maybe one turn each side. I have a Zenith with mixture control. I have not flown behind it yet, but I was working on a way to adjust the mixture from the cockpit too. I was pointed to a modification made to a flying KR where the adjusting needle arrangement was very cleverly adapted. The person who now owns the airplane didn't want to get involved in passing along information on how it was done, so I didn't pursue it, but it made the existing Zenith needle arrangement more robust and adapted to adjustment. I have partially assembled a rack and pinion assembly using parts from a discarded CD-ROM unit from a computer. It is designed to mount flat to the firewall with a shaft and "flex joints" connecting the pinion output to the carb mixture screw. However... I was told that I would only need a turn or two of adjustment, so mine only rotates about a turn and a half stop to stop. And this new concern (stripping it during a panic full-power go-around) is genuine. I was actually debating whether to mess with it at all, since most of the folks that run this carb recommend to set it for smooth running on the ground and let it go rich at altitude. For my "KR Construction Trainer", a low-and-slow flyer (see my website), this is a great solution and simplifies things. But for a KR, fast cruising is going to be part of the normal mission and so is altitude... so I would pursue the adjustable mixture but would lean toward the rotating knob solution. Rotating a knob to adjust the mixture is not at all as intuitive as the standard aircraft setup where "everything forward for full power", but it does eliminate the kludge of a rack and pinion. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:20:17 -0400 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Re-Zenith carbs. Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C22E66.3DA412E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back in the days of the Ford Model "T" the carb had an adjusting screw fo= r leaning out the gas mixture. The choke lever on the Dash was also used = by rotating the knob for leaning the mixture. Several years ago a friend of mine had a Model "T" carb mounted on his Gr= eat Plains VW engine. I made two small universal joints (size of a dime)= to be used with 1/8 dia rods that he used for his setup. He had run ri= ch at idle and lean at high RPM. The KR is now long gone and the univers= al joints are now on a Pietenpol with a Ford Model "A" engine. This may be a way that will work on the Zenith carbs. Sam Sayer Zephyrhills, FloridaGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C22E66.3DA412E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:27:34 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: RFG842@aol.com Subject: Bad advice Message-ID: <121.141b8e50.2a687eb6@aol.com> About time people stopped and thought a little bit. Businesses are sold under many conditions. Most are sold by buying both the assets and liabilities, some are sold just as assets with the seller retaining and paying off the liabilities, etc, etc. The price of a business usually reflects what you buy. If Dana has seen the bill of sale and it reflects the former owner of the newsletter denies any further liability, I would assume the new owner purchased the liability for completing the remaining subscriptions along with purchasing the assets. Only the seller, purchaser and their attorneys know for sure. I would hate to see members of the net filing complaints based on wrong assumptions. If you're going into battle to right a wrong, you better have the correct facts. It will save innocent people a lot of grief. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:35:36 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Bad advice Message-ID: > >About time people stopped and thought a little bit. > OK, let's do just that. > >If Dana has seen the bill of sale and it reflects the former owner of the >newsletter denies any further liability, I would assume the new owner >purchased the liability for completing the remaining subscriptions along >with >purchasing the assets. Only the seller, purchaser and their attorneys know >for sure. Wrong, the BUYER did not accept prior obligation without receiving renumeration. "To date Monte has made no effort to forward to me remaining subscriber balances. He however has told people that ask, that I would be continuing the newsletter and they would receive their issues paid for thru him. This is not the case". Now, does this sound like the actions of one who has been "fair". You come up with your own conclusions. I only brought this issue up in this manner to expose what has been going on. If you want the newsletter to survive, someone better do something before August 5th. Something in the range of new subcriptions in the amount of those owed at least six months of subcriptions. 16 isn't going to get it. > >I would hate to see members of the net filing complaints based on wrong >assumptions. If you're going into battle to right a wrong, you better have >the correct facts. It will save innocent people a lot of grief. > >Bob You know what happens when we assume is makes an as$ out of u & me. I have been very careful not to say that the prior owner of the rights to publish has committed an offense. Case law pertaining to unamortized subscription lists, and especially when mail and interstate commmerce come into play, dictates those monies either be bargained for in the BOS or returned to the subscribers by the seller. In the State of Texas, standing must be present as the consumer protection branch of the attorney general does not prosecute unless it affects public protection based on the number of victims and monatary consequences. Comments have been made about letting go and you always lose money in aircraft building along with tar and feathering. All I am doing is stating the fact, don't shot the piano player. OK, let's talk money. The curret list showed 250 subscribers with almost half of those owed 6-months or MORE of newsletters. You calculate it, it's not nickles and dimes, it in the thousands of dollars. It is not about the money, it is about the survival of the KR Newsletter. Without paid subscriptions, Mr. Capps is behind the 8 ball. The ball for the survival of the newsletter is in the court of Mr. Miller and he doesn't seem to be in the game. After consultations with Mr. Capps, I can assure all involved he has taken precautions to adhere to his lawful duty and is proceeding in an hororable manner. Keep August 5th. in mind. I hope that Mr. Miller is doing the right thing. With that, the newsletter continues. Without it, it dies a quick death. I hope Mr. Miller responds to our questions. Prove me wrong, I'm a big boy, I can take it. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:26:43 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: re virus alert. Message-ID: <001101c22ea1$d049b920$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C22E80.48E42CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was surprised that Frank got a virus from me. I immediately scanned my = computer with a virus program. While doing so I began to think. Several = months ago I caught the Klex virus and had my technician fix it. When he = was done he inserted an immunity program to prevent future Klez from = infecting my computer. Later someone else sent me an email with a " Klez = like" program which could be put into your computer for the same reason. = I did not use it nor open it. Yester day I sent an email to a friend , whose first name is" Ross". I = sent him a copy of this email for his investigation.The email contains a = detailed installation instructions and drivers for this installation. = The first part of the attachment is the Klez like program and the = second is it's installation. I clicked Ross on the email form etc, it asked which one, and I = wondered why it did this so I just clicked OK. It went to you Frank = Ross. The "Daren in the message refers to my son in law. AVG virus scan = said that I do not have a virus at this moment. I looked up the old = email which contained the inoculation and opened it. Bang! It said = there was a Klez virus inside.The AVG took care of it and closed it up = and segregated it. The second part of the attachment open OK. Sorry about that Frank. If anyone wants a copy and is prepare to = investigate it further , email me and I will forward it to you. In the = mean time I'm fixing my address book. Harold Woods. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C22E80.48E42CC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:11:58 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> re virus alert. Message-ID: <20020719071158.44230.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Harold, I'm glad everything worked out okay. I didn't really catch a virus from you, but I noticed suspicious e-mail that "looked" like it came from your computer and I knew you didn't send it, so my antennaes went up. Wanted to let you and anyone else who might be effected know right away. Glad your system is okay. Frank __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:28:20 +0800 To: "KRnet" From: "Phil Maley" Subject: KR> KR2 World Tour Message-ID: Hi all Some of you are having trouble with the world tour web site. The site seems to use java script for navigating so your web browser might not have java enabled. The site seems to have a few code errors in it too so maybe the following individual page links will help: Welcome: http://www.alagem.com/subsite/wt/frame.html Itinerary: http://www.alagem.com/subsite/wt/itin.html Diary: http://www.alagem.com/subsite/wt/diary.html Crew: http://www.alagem.com/subsite/wt/crew.html The Journey: http://www.alagem.com/subsite/wt/jpok.html Plane: http://www.alagem.com/subsite/wt/plane.html Photos: http://www.alagem.com/subsite/wt/photos.html Thanks also to those who have emailed me privately about Bill Clapp. I have filed a complaint with the FBI/Internet Fraud Complaint Center but apart from that there's probably not much else I can do. Our local police say they can't (or won't) do anything because it is a civil matter. Thanks for your interest. Regards Phil Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ Phone: +61 417 954 187 Fax: +61 8 9315 3055 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:55:11 -0500 To: "CorvAircraft" , "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Photo of the Week Message-ID: <003701c22ec7$518c1620$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C22E9D.6872EAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Rick Hubka.....I have a new photo there now!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C22E9D.6872EAA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:50:55 -0600 To: CorvAircraft , KR-Net From: Rick Subject: RE: KR> Photo of the Week Message-ID: <41ED2F1280124E4D8B88691C9A9B5FDE011B75@mail.binoids.com> Hey Mark Nice bracket (Picture of the Week). I think I'll make one. Also a nice new main page picture on the site. I really like those Corvair close up detailed pictures... My stock 66 Corvair engine has sat on the garage floor for 2 years now. This winter when it's cold here in Canada I'll get at it and take advantage of all the pictures emails etc. you and others have pioneered lately. I have Williams new manual. It's huge and very comprehensive compared to my old manual. Take Care... Rick Hubka http://www.hubka.com/kr_main.htm rick@hubka.com 65 Butler Crescent NW Calgary AB T2L 1K4 Canada -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:55 PM To: CorvAircraft; KR-Net Subject: KR> Photo of the Week Hey Rick Hubka.....I have a new photo there now!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:00:45 -0500 To: "KR-Net" , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR Newsletter Message-ID: <004001c22ec8$18f45d80$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C22E9E.2FB9A040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Monte, I have 8 issues of the Newsletter due to me and since you sold the = Newsletter and did not forward my subscription money to Larry Capps, I = want you to reimburse me a total of $13.32. I as well as many other feel = you have done the KR Newsletter an injustice. My address is: Mark Jones (N886MJ) 615 Wexford Circle Wales, WI 53183 USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C22E9E.2FB9A040-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:44:05 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Glasco Subject: Re: KR> KR2 Crash Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020718234405.008377b0@mail.ridgenet.net> Does anyone have any information on the KR2 (N290KB) that crashed (substantial damage no injuries) on take off from Scribner, NE at 1700 on 13 July per the 15 July entry on the FAA preliminary accident and incident website (http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm). Brad Glasco KR-2S Corvair California ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:02:28 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 Crash Message-ID: <001a01c22f1c$279bb1e0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Current owner Dennis Cuka, Omaha Nebraska. Built by Kenton Baughman, year unknowm. Serial number 6077. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glasco" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:44 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR2 Crash > Does anyone have any information on the KR2 (N290KB) that crashed > (substantial damage no injuries) on take off from Scribner, NE at 1700 on > 13 July per the 15 July entry on the FAA preliminary accident and incident > website (http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm). > > Brad Glasco > KR-2S Corvair > California > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:06:00 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Glasco Subject: Re: KR> KR2 Crash Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020719110600.007d7510@mail.ridgenet.net> The registration to Kenton Boughman of Pratt KS (near where I grew up) was issued 12-28-89. I don't have any information regarding Dennis Cuka. Brad Glasco KR-2S Corvair California At 07:02 AM 7/19/02 -0500, you wrote: >Current owner Dennis Cuka, Omaha Nebraska. Built by Kenton Baughman, year >unknowm. Serial number 6077. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Glasco" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:44 AM >Subject: Re: KR> KR2 Crash > > >> Does anyone have any information on the KR2 (N290KB) that crashed >> (substantial damage no injuries) on take off from Scribner, NE at 1700 on >> 13 July per the 15 July entry on the FAA preliminary accident and incident >> website (http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm). >> >> Brad Glasco >> KR-2S Corvair >> California >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:51:36 -0500 To: "kr net" From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: Newsletter Subscriptions Message-ID: <000401c22f14$af1474c0$37000a0a@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22EA5.49E7BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry Capps is providing a service to anyone that owns or is building a = KR. The subscription fee will just barely cover the costs of producing = and mailing the newsletters. He is basically providing his labor for = free. I just hope the Department of Labor doesn't find out, or he will = be charged with violating the minimum wage law. There are more than 600 people that access the KR net. Eighteen told = Larry that they wanted him to save the KR newsletters and that it was a = good idea for him to publish the new ones. Most of the 18 haven't = subscribed. Very subscriptions have trickled in, and those whose = subscriptions are due for renewal with that other guy haven't renewed = with Larry. Now is the time. We must all get our subscriptions in NOW, or tell = Larry to save his time. Waiting for someone else to take the lead won't = hack it. Do it NOW!! Jim Vance ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22EA5.49E7BA40-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:02:43 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "alfabravo pilot" Subject: Hello Message-ID: Hello .... Which kinde of woods is better and should be used as alongeron?? best regards AL-MARZOUQI NASSER _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:00:33 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "alfabravo pilot" Subject: Hello Message-ID: Hi ....I dont know which is better for wings covering...fibercloth or CF I'm scuttred between them . how many layers we have to add ? ,and how should be the direction of layers ?... best regards _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:29:25 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: wood for longerons Message-ID: <004601c22f30$aec9ed80$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C22F0F.276D88E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best is Port Orford cedar. almost impossible to obtain. Sitka spruce, aircraft grade, there is lots of it available but = expensive. Douglas fir. stronger than sitka, but heavier, readily available but = you have to grade and check it yourself. EAA had some interesting articles on wood. There was a list of many = suitable wood species from all over the world. It requires testing of = your local wood species if you do not live in N. America. Compare your = strength in compression and tension per sq.inch to that of sitka.You = may have a slight weight penalty, calculate it. Test a 1 in. square = piece to destruction . Compare it to spruce. I bought my sitka spruce at a lumber yard. They let me choose it myself. = I cut a thin strip off one side and bent it at varrious places along = it's length ( these boards were 2 x 6 in.) All had suitable grains per = inch , they had good grain direction and were clear structured. 80% = failed this bending test. Most boards had internal stress cracks that = extended right across the board.Inevitably is there was a clean break on = one side of the board there was a corresponding break on the other side. = There was no visable indication of a flaw . Some times there were 2 or 3 = such flaws in an 8 ft. length. I saved the portions of wood inbetween = flaws for use where short pieces were required. If I was suspicious of a = piece I scarfed it 18 to 1 and put it together with epoxy. Thus my sitka = spruce was not expensive. Later I got a 2 x 8 of Doughlas fir which had = been graded for me, it was beautiful and perfect. I even have pieces of = white oak in the area of the engive mounts.Straight grained white pine = are used where strength are not too important such as filler blocks , = here and there. I do not know where you live Al-Marzouqi Nasser but good luck with your = project. Harold Woods. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C22F0F.276D88E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:15:44 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "alfabravo pilot" Subject: Hi again Message-ID: I'm from middeast and its very hard to search about woods,actuaally we use to buy them from some shops and factories arrounds for example befor 2days ago I couldent finde any 2.5mm plywood ,but I went to afriend of mine actually he has awood afactory and we made them .(I toke some pics about that and soonly it'll be shown ) ..but I dont know if these infos will be good about the best wood which should be used as longerons , 1- temp in my country is some time more than 45 degrees in summer and arrond 18 to 25 in winter 2- hummidity is 90 to 100 in summer and and 10 to 30 in winter my best regards NASSER _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:18:40 -0400 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Re: Monte Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C22F3F.F1D04AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back when John Forrester headed the KR Newsletter, several of us thought = that John was taking us for a ride, after several months went by without = receiving a single issue. Later we found out that he had been severly s= ick and could not work at anything. He was forgiven. Earl Tenporten then took over the newsletter and honored the sending of t= he newsletter to those who lost their money to John. Later, when Monte took over the newsletter, I know for a fact that he hon= ored the remaining issues of the newsletter that were due from Earl. Let us get off Monte's back. I am sure he is doing what he thinks is righ= t. Sam Sayer Zephyrhills, FloridaGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : = http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C22F3F.F1D04AC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:20:57 -0500 To: From: "Gary W. Haun" Subject: Newsletter Plea Message-ID: I'm in the process of moving and also I'm working this weekend. My check will go out Monday morning for the CD (great idea) and newsletter subscription. Gary W. Haun --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:00:49 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "Ronald Freiberger" Subject: Wood Stress cracks Message-ID: Harold Wood (how appropo) detailed his procedures for testing wood for stress cracks. Stress cracks are nearly impossible to see, and AIRCRAFT grade sitka spruce begins with the logging process.. These trees are not felled, but let down to avoid the fractures that can occur when a tree is cut and allowed to fall. The certified wood has long history by the time it comes to you. The only way you can be sure is to tensile test each piece ( if you select the wood), and they are lots of homebuilts out there using FIR. We cut up the spar out of an old Taylorcraft to make parts for a kayak. One section out of the middle had a stress fracture. So, maybe certified isn't 100% either. But, it's more likely to be right. The thing that saves many of us is that the wood usually exceeds the design rated strength, and we seldom fly our planes to the limit. From Ron Freiberger ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************