From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Aug 2002 05:45:21 -0000 Issue 496 Date: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:46 PM krnet Digest 11 Aug 2002 05:45:21 -0000 Issue 496 Topics (messages 12036 through 12065): Re: Looking for a ELT 12036 by: David Mullins Virginia State EAA Fly-In, September 7 and 8 12037 by: Donald Reid Re: KR Newsletter - Deadline 12038 by: Stephen J Robinson KR Newsletter/KROnline 12039 by: Mark Langford 12045 by: Mark Jones 12056 by: Ron Eason 12058 by: Daniel Heath 12059 by: Mark Langford 12065 by: Deems Herring Re: KRNet or B.S.Net 12040 by: Stephen J Robinson Re: [CorvAIRCRAFT] Southern Comfort Corvair College 12041 by: Mark Jones Identifiying my corvair 12042 by: Danny Livingstone 12044 by: Mark Langford DONATION 12043 by: Mark Jones 12057 by: Ron Eason 12060 by: ROBERT COOPER Cable. 12046 by: Eric Evezard 12049 by: Robert X. Cringely 12051 by: Bob Farmer Yes, they do fail! 12047 by: Serge F. VIDAL 12061 by: Damião Lycarião Edges again:-) 12048 by: Dana Overall Diehl tricycle gear 12050 by: DSprague01.aol.com Re: Engine Options(main)/ KRNet or B.S.Net(short) 12052 by: Richard Green kr newsletter why a deadline? 12053 by: Rick Wilson 12055 by: Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Subscription 12054 by: Richard Fisher Not my mail 12062 by: Patrick Driscoll 12063 by: Mark Langford virus W32.Klez.H@mm 12064 by: Glasco Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:36:56 -0400 From: David Mullins CC: krnet Subject: Re: KR> Looking for a ELT Message-ID: <3D54FAD7.F7BF5338@attbi.com> Darren, I purchased an Ameri-King AK-450 From http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page13.htm for $185US. Wings and wheels is located near Buffalo NY. The AK450 uses 6 "D" batteries and has voice transmit capabilities and a panel mounted remote. The ACK uses 8 "D" batteries and doesn't transmit voice. So you save a few ounces and can talk to the search planes if you go down. (Not that I want anyone to go down) I also got precurved mylar gap seals from them. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Darren Pond wrote: > Hi All > Who's got the best deal on ELT's AS would like $200US or so and my Canadian supplier asking $375 Canadian for a ACK ELT. is there a better supplier than AS or a better ELT for the dollar? > > Darren Pond > Cambridge Ontario Canada CYKF > Taylor Mono plane C-FVML waiting on Transport Canada > PondHopper 2.2 turbo (KR2S Heavy) Early building stages > pond27@rogers.com > 519-651-2522 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:52:37 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Virginia State EAA Fly-In, September 7 and 8 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020810083906.00a2ee60@pop.erols.com> --=====================_2486525==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The 6th annual Virginia State EAA Fly-in is four weeks away. In all of the previous five years, we have had ONE KR show up. Gary Hinkle (GARYKR2@cs.com) has been there the past two years. Since I am the webmaster for the fly-in, his plane appears in several different places in http://vaeaa.org The same thing can happen to you. In order for your KR to be featured on the VAEAA Website ... just show up. I can be reached at the Fly-market or out on the ramp taking pictures. I hope to see you there. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_2486525==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:54:24 -0400 To: lacapps@attbi.com From: Stephen J Robinson Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - Deadline Message-ID: <20020810.123511.-474833.0.sjrobinson2@juno.com> Larry, I believe that everyone who is associated with the KR world and who particpate in the E-mail net should get up off their dead posteriors and lend some support to your efforts to continue with the newsletter! Keep my money and if you require more to float this boat, let me and the rest of these jugheads know! I would hate to see such a worthwhile effort die through stupid complancency. I've watched enough traffic to know we have in our midst a group of unspeakables, but guys like Mark Langford just make up for it enough to convince me to stay in the loop. But the newsletter is important so please persevere! Steve Robinson abuildin' a modified KR-2S On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:34:12 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" writes: > KRNet, > > Our current subscriber base for the KR Newsletter is as follows: > > 57 total subscribers > ------------------------- > 16 new subscribers (from 660 on the KRNet) > 19 re-newels > 16 repaid (Monte still owes monies) > 06 requested to pay via PayPal > > After talking with many of the current subscribers, most have asked > Monte > Miller for their subscription balance to be refunded, Monte has told > each > and everyone that calls him - "I sent Larry Capps everything related > to your > subscription and the KR Newsletter, Larry is the guy that has > everything and > will now be sending you the newsletter". > > Well naturally, upon hearing this they call me, and I tell them the > truth, > that Monte has not forward me their subscription balances and the > fact is > without more subscribers or people re-subscribing we cannot > continue > publishing the KR Newsletter. Once they hear the truth they call > Monte back > and pressure him further to do the right thing and refund their > remaining > subscription balance, Monte then tells them - "There is no monies > left to > refund, everything related to the KR Newsletter was forwarded to > Larry > Capps". > > Les Palmer (Palmer's Machine Shop (972) 241-4387) called and talked > at > length with me about his conversations with Monte, and was very > disturb at > Monte's unwillingness to refund his subscription balance or to > forward his > balance on to me as suggested. I think Les used the term "Monte > has > obfuscated with our funds hasn't he?". > > For me, my biggest problem is what Monte is telling people > privately; many > have called or emailed me complaining that I'm ripping them off, or > am > requiring them to pay a second time for services they have already > paid for. > This cannot be further from the truth, in fact I'm willing to help > the 219 > subscribers still owed the newsletter even if Monte will not do his > ethical > duty and refund or forward the subscription balances. In addition, > the only > way I can assist further is if we had received enough new > subscriptions to > offset those still owed by Monte (106 - six months or more of the > newsletter). Unfortunately, this has not happened. > > So here's the bottom line, we are at deadline. We have not received > enough > new subscribers to keep the KR Newsletter alive. I am therefore > returning > all checks in my possession to people who have subscribed with me to > the > newsletter. For those that have included an additional amount for > the CD > (27 years of the KR Newsletter), we will send them their CD along > with a > check for the newsletter subscription amount paid. > > Best Regards, > > Larry A. Capps > KR Newsletter > Naperville, IL > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:40:04 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR Newsletter/KROnline Message-ID: <023b01c24094$f63b8af0$0100a8c0@TD310> KRnetHeads, I don't blame Larry one bit for giving up on the Newsletter. The simple facts are that the subscriptions have dwindled over the years, mainly due to KRnet, and they would continue to dwindle until there's nothing left, and no reason to go on. I think we're there now. I just hope he sells enough CDs of the back issues to reimburse him for the cost of saving the Newsletter from the clutches of the EAA for us. With Larry's permission, we could continue to publish the KR Newsletter, electronically, somewhat like the KROnline that we did back before Monte took over the Newsletter several years ago (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kro12_96.html for an example). The newsletter would continue, but electronically, free, and online! We could do it in something like PDF format, and if we keep it down to 7 pages, we could still mail it out to "snailmail" subscribers of the Newsletter. Whoever volunteered to take on this job would merely have to print it out and mail them to subscribers, and collect the subscription fees for their trouble. As long as we keep the pipeline full of good articles and a completed Newsletter every month, somebody would have a cushy job on their hands that would probably buy a little beer every month. Larry may want to volunteer for that job himself, for all I know. The editor and the "mailer" could even be two different people, or it could rotate around somewhat. The mailing list should drop considerably from 210 since many of us are also on the web, and would prefer the color electronic version to a black and white snailmail version. If nothing else, the change would announce to the subscribers about the benefits of KRnet, and encourage many of them to get online. Others for which internet access is too expensive (like many overseas countries) could enjoy the benefits of sharing our knowledge of KR flying and building. These future articles could become a new form of FAQ for us too. Be prepared to volunteer if you jump on the bandwagen. We'll need an editor too, which I'll reserve for Randy Stein or Larry Capps if they're crazy enough to actually want to do that. What do y'all think? We can keep this thing going if we want to... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:26:04 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline Message-ID: <006e01c240a3$c5455f20$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Mark, This is an excellent idea, let me know what I can do to help. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline > KRnetHeads, > > I don't blame Larry one bit for giving up on the Newsletter. The simple > facts are that the subscriptions have dwindled over the years, mainly due to > KRnet, and they would continue to dwindle until there's nothing left, and no > reason to go on. I think we're there now. I just hope he sells enough CDs > of the back issues to reimburse him for the cost of saving the Newsletter > from the clutches of the EAA for us. > > With Larry's permission, we could continue to publish the KR Newsletter, > electronically, somewhat like the KROnline that we did back before Monte > took over the Newsletter several years ago (see > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kro12_96.html for an example). The > newsletter would continue, but electronically, free, and online! We could > do it in something like PDF format, and if we keep it down to 7 pages, we > could still mail it out to "snailmail" subscribers of the Newsletter. > Whoever volunteered to take on this job would merely have to print it out > and mail them to subscribers, and collect the subscription fees for their > trouble. As long as we keep the pipeline full of good articles and a > completed Newsletter every month, somebody would have a cushy job on their > hands that would probably buy a little beer every month. Larry may want to > volunteer for that job himself, for all I know. The editor and the "mailer" > could even be two different people, or it could rotate around somewhat. The > mailing list should drop considerably from 210 since many of us are also on > the web, and would prefer the color electronic version to a black and white > snailmail version. > > If nothing else, the change would announce to the subscribers about the > benefits of KRnet, and encourage many of them to get online. Others for > which internet access is too expensive (like many overseas countries) could > enjoy the benefits of sharing our knowledge of KR flying and building. > These future articles could become a new form of FAQ for us too. > > Be prepared to volunteer if you jump on the bandwagen. We'll need an > editor too, which I'll reserve for Randy Stein or Larry Capps if they're > crazy enough to actually want to do that. What do y'all think? We can keep > this thing going if we want to... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:34:40 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , "KRnet" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline Message-ID: <000701c240d7$44d0b4f0$8fdc1f41@Administration> Sound doable, however we have forgot the people that don't have a computer or wish to have a email account. Publishing is a good idea, the can take a subscription and we could compensate people to do editing. What do youall think. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline > KRnetHeads, > > I don't blame Larry one bit for giving up on the Newsletter. The simple > facts are that the subscriptions have dwindled over the years, mainly due to > KRnet, and they would continue to dwindle until there's nothing left, and no > reason to go on. I think we're there now. I just hope he sells enough CDs > of the back issues to reimburse him for the cost of saving the Newsletter > from the clutches of the EAA for us. > > With Larry's permission, we could continue to publish the KR Newsletter, > electronically, somewhat like the KROnline that we did back before Monte > took over the Newsletter several years ago (see > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kro12_96.html for an example). The > newsletter would continue, but electronically, free, and online! We could > do it in something like PDF format, and if we keep it down to 7 pages, we > could still mail it out to "snailmail" subscribers of the Newsletter. > Whoever volunteered to take on this job would merely have to print it out > and mail them to subscribers, and collect the subscription fees for their > trouble. As long as we keep the pipeline full of good articles and a > completed Newsletter every month, somebody would have a cushy job on their > hands that would probably buy a little beer every month. Larry may want to > volunteer for that job himself, for all I know. The editor and the "mailer" > could even be two different people, or it could rotate around somewhat. The > mailing list should drop considerably from 210 since many of us are also on > the web, and would prefer the color electronic version to a black and white > snailmail version. > > If nothing else, the change would announce to the subscribers about the > benefits of KRnet, and encourage many of them to get online. Others for > which internet access is too expensive (like many overseas countries) could > enjoy the benefits of sharing our knowledge of KR flying and building. > These future articles could become a new form of FAQ for us too. > > Be prepared to volunteer if you jump on the bandwagen. We'll need an > editor too, which I'll reserve for Randy Stein or Larry Capps if they're > crazy enough to actually want to do that. What do y'all think? We can keep > this thing going if we want to... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:36:42 -0700 To: "KRnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline Message-ID: Mark and Larry, I would like to send my subscription fee to Larry and get the CD. I would like also to see the Newsletter on the Net and don't need, nor do I want a hard copy. So, Larry, you can expect a check from me, and whatever happens, happens. I really want to thank you for bailing out the newsletter and putting it back in the hands of KR people. See you at the Gathering. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:47:03 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline Message-ID: <001501c240d8$fe7306a0$5600a8c0@athlon600> Ron Eason wrote: > Sound doable, however we have forgot the people that don't have a computer > or wish to have a email account. I thought I'd addressed that when I wrote: > > The > > newsletter would continue, but electronically, free, and online! We could > > do it in something like PDF format, and if we keep it down to 7 pages, we > > could still mail it out to "snailmail" subscribers of the Newsletter. Snailmail means the people that don't have a computer or wish to have an email account. I didn't forget them. In fact, that's who the KR Newsletter is really for, and why we should make sure it continues, but new and improved. We'll give it another month though, if that's what Larry wants. Perhaps rumours of the KR Newsletter's death were premature... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:45:38 -0500 To: From: "Deems Herring" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline Message-ID: <002801c240fa$52a5e280$bd02a8c0@deems> Some publications offer an option for an on line subsription or a printed version with the online version at a reduced cost.. Getting some money for the online version could help with the money situation now and I would think that the people outside the US would find it much more convenient to get an online publication. The printed version could go to the people who don't have computer or internet access. If there is not enough interest in the printed version it could be dropped after the subscriptions run out and when the costs for the printed version are covered you could reduce the cost for the online version. I would be willing to subscribe to a "KR-Online" for something like half the printed price and as the virus thing has just illustrated the online version would be a much safer way to get pictures and diagrams out to everyone than attachments to someones email. What do you think of that idea? Deems Herring Baudette, Minnesota mailto:ballross@wiktel.com Ron Eason wrote: > Sound doable, however we have forgot the people that don't have a > computer or wish to have a email account. Publishing is a good idea, > the can take a subscription and we could compensate people to do > editing. What do youall think. > > KRRon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:40 PM > Subject: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline > > >> KRnetHeads, >> >> I don't blame Larry one bit for giving up on the Newsletter. The >> simple facts are that the subscriptions have dwindled over the >> years, mainly due to KRnet, and they would continue to dwindle until >> there's nothing left, and no reason to go on. I think we're there >> now. I just hope he sells enough CDs of the back issues to >> reimburse him for the cost of saving the Newsletter from the >> clutches of the EAA for us. >> >> With Larry's permission, we could continue to publish the KR >> Newsletter, electronically, somewhat like the KROnline that we did >> back before Monte took over the Newsletter several years ago (see >> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kro12_96.html for an example). The >> newsletter would continue, but electronically, free, and online! We >> could do it in something like PDF format, and if we keep it down to >> 7 pages, we could still mail it out to "snailmail" subscribers of >> the Newsletter. Whoever volunteered to take on this job would merely >> have to print it out and mail them to subscribers, and collect the >> subscription fees for their trouble. As long as we keep the >> pipeline full of good articles and a completed Newsletter every >> month, somebody would have a cushy job on their hands that would >> probably buy a little beer every month. Larry may want to volunteer >> for that job himself, for all I know. The editor and the "mailer" >> could even be two different people, or it could rotate around >> somewhat. The mailing list should drop considerably from 210 since >> many of us are also on the web, and would prefer the color >> electronic version to a black and white snailmail version. >> >> If nothing else, the change would announce to the subscribers about >> the benefits of KRnet, and encourage many of them to get online. >> Others for which internet access is too expensive (like many >> overseas countries) could enjoy the benefits of sharing our >> knowledge of KR flying and building. These future articles could >> become a new form of FAQ for us too. >> >> Be prepared to volunteer if you jump on the bandwagen. We'll need >> an editor too, which I'll reserve for Randy Stein or Larry Capps if >> they're crazy enough to actually want to do that. What do y'all >> think? We can keep this thing going if we want to... >> >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >> mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >> see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:02:27 -0400 To: langford@hiwaay.net From: Stephen J Robinson Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KRNet or B.S.Net Message-ID: <20020810.134150.-474833.1.sjrobinson2@juno.com> Mark, I don't know long you have been building your KR-2S (how many years?) and I don't even know if you have your license to fly yet, but over the years of monitoring this KR-net, you have earned my respect for your good ideas and contributions to fellow builders. You are heads and shoulders above most of the chowderheads I have suffered in the same period of time. Please keep up your good efforts and continued willingness to share with the rest of us. I also hope that the KR newsletter is continued, I have voted already with my $69 to Larry. Steve Robinson Deerfield, NH On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:13:30 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > > At 12:30 PM 8/8/2002 -0500, Donald Blankenship wrote: > > >We don't have licensed Professional Engineers providing their > insights, > so > > >don't blame PEs. But we do have people willing to pretend to be > PEs. > > I guess I should chime in and mention that although I'm a > practicing > mechanical engineer with a real, live degree from Auburn University, > I did > NOT go for the gusto and get my PE license. The logic for me was > simple. > I'd worked my way through college for 7 years, taking a half course > load in > the mornings, and working every afternoon as an engineering > technician to > pay tuition and the bills.. My first job after college was with the > company > I've been with for 14 years, a company of 3000, 60% of which are > engineers, > only 41 of which hold PE licenses. I just couldn't see a reason to > get that > PE license when I knew I'd never need it here. If I need a > structural > engineer, I just walk around the corner and talk to one. If I need > a > vibration expert, I go see him. If I need a guy who's an expert in > orbital > mechanics specializing in spacestation microgravity, I eat lunch > with him > every other day. > > I don't think of myself as an engineering failure without a PE, > having had > several of my designs flown on the shuttle several times, and have > designed > and built some pretty cool non-space hardware over the years as > well. It's > just that I specialize in "design", and when it comes to matters of > stress, > thermal, vibration, electrical, or whatever, I go find an expert for > an > opinion or an analysis. > > I don't broadcast that I'm even an engineer on this list, because I > suspect > that I don't HAVE to for me to gain respect here. My "improvements" > to the > design and actions speak for themselves. And I sincerely attempt to > keep my > mouth shut if I don't KNOW exactly what I'm talking about, because I > just > hate to be wrong! Often, I'll go do a bunch of research on an > unanswered > question and feel quite qualified to answer the question when I'm > done, and > report back with the results. This is probably why I get a little > irritated > when people join KRnet and start asking dumb questions when a few > minutes > of research in the archives or just about anywhere else on the web > would > have answered it. There are the givers, and there are the takers. > > It's been my experience on this list that there are a couple of guys > who > claim to be aero engineers (and they may very well be) that I > consider to be > idiots. Your first clue is when they come out with some rediculous > argument > and sign it "aeronautical engineer" as if to say "so I know what I'm > talking > about". But when it comes to structural or aero matters, I always > wait for > Don Reid to weigh in with the facts. He's truly "eaten up" with > both > aviation and engineering, and has never tried to BS anybody, just > presents > the facts, whether you like 'em or not. > > This whole conversation is starting to smell like the "built it per > plans" > group is tired of hearing any heresy about modifications. Keep it > up and > the people who want and know how to improve this airplane, and then > share > their knowledge with others, will find some place else to gather, or > just go > back to building their plane, their way... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:50:47 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Fw: [CorvAIRCRAFT] Southern Comfort Corvair College Message-ID: <002c01c2409e$d81a2e00$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C24074.EE1F2E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Asked to be forwarded by Pat panzera: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Panzera=20 To: CorvAIRCRAFT@yahoogroups.com ; AirVW=20 Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [CorvAIRCRAFT] Southern Comfort Corvair College You know... The tandem wing fly-in in south-east KS is shaping up to be quite a Corvair event. It looks as if we will even be having an engine mount welding workshop, with a Corvair to Dragonfly mount being produced. We are still encouraged that William might make it to put on his Corvair engine forum, but at a minimum we will have (at last count) 3 engines present, and a dozen or so hard core enthusiasts, including=20 yours truly. :) For more info: http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bspornitz/fly-in2002.htm Since I've posted this to both the Corvair and VW e-mail lists, I'd like to remind the hard core VW folk, as well as the Sonerai and KR gangs, that Steve Bennett of Great Plains Aircraft will he=20 holding a 1 hour workshop, as well as aero-electric guru Bob Nuckolls=20 will be holding his Aviation Electrical Systems Forum -=20 And for those of you who are willing and able, please forward this note to any other e-mail list you feel might be interested. KR, Pietenpol, Sonerai, Sonex, etc.=20 Pat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20 =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: corvaircraft-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C24074.EE1F2E00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:44:55 +0200 To: "KRnet" From: "Danny Livingstone" Subject: Identifiying my corvair Message-ID: <001701c2409e$05f13720$3c74ef9b@1234> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C240AE.C86EFFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Netters I have purchased three corvair motors, and I have to get spares, = gaskets, ect.=20 My question is how do I identify the motors i.r.t. year, model, etc? Yuor help would be appreciated. Danny Livingstone Sasolburg South Africa (+2716 9761601) ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C240AE.C86EFFC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:16:21 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Identifiying my corvair Message-ID: <025501c240a2$6a5c7900$0100a8c0@TD310> Danny Livingstone wrote: >>I have purchased three corvair motors, and I have to get spares, gaskets, ect. My question is how do I identify the motors i.r.t. year, model, etc?<< Check http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/FAQ.html for the answer. You probably need to join CorvAircraft if you're going to build one of these for an airplane. Details are available at the bottom of that page, by hitting "back to homepage". Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:00:32 -0500 To: "Larry Capps" , "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: DONATION Message-ID: <004d01c240a0$33bf1120$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C24076.4AAF0D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry, Please do not refund my subscription money I sent in to you. Your = expenses for saving the rights to the Newsletter will take a long time = to recover. You have done a great favor to us all by buying Monte out. I = hope my subscription money will help. At this time I am also asking = EVERYONE to make a donation to Larry Capps so he can recover some of the = money he paid Monte. The sales of the CD will recover some of it but = far from all. I will also be ordering the CD from you. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C24076.4AAF0D60-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:37:11 -0500 To: "Mark Jones" , "Larry Capps" , "KR-Net" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> DONATION Message-ID: <001801c240d7$9d453520$8fdc1f41@Administration> Larry, I feel the same way. Ron Eason [KRRon] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Larry Capps" ; "KR-Net" Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: KR> DONATION Larry, Please do not refund my subscription money I sent in to you. Your expenses for saving the rights to the Newsletter will take a long time to recover. You have done a great favor to us all by buying Monte out. I hope my subscription money will help. At this time I am also asking EVERYONE to make a donation to Larry Capps so he can recover some of the money he paid Monte. The sales of the CD will recover some of it but far from all. I will also be ordering the CD from you. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:44:54 -0400 To: "Mark JONES" , "Larry Capps" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> DONATION Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C240B7.29ED3700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry Please accept my subscription cost as a donation. Let me know when the CD= will be ready. Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:56 PM To: Larry Capps; KR-Net Subject: KR> DONATION Larry, Please do not refund my subscription money I sent in to you. Your expense= s for saving the rights to the Newsletter will take a long time to recove= r. You have done a great favor to us all by buying Monte out. I hope my s= ubscription money will help. At this time I am also asking EVERYONE to ma= ke a donation to Larry Capps so he can recover some of the money he paid = Monte. The sales of the CD will recover some of it but far from all. I w= ill also be ordering the CD from you. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA =20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C240B7.29ED3700-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:46:01 +0200 To: "KR MAIL" From: "Eric Evezard" Subject: Cable. Message-ID: <001601c240af$113781a0$55ce07c4@erick> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C240BF.B3858B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Netters, This safety cable.How is it installed ? What dia. and strand weave.? = Makes sense to me. Best Regards, Eric Evezard, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C240BF.B3858B40-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:03:42 -0700 To: From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Cable. Message-Id: It is required practice in Formula One (aircraft) racing following a rash of metal propeller failures in the 1960s. You just use stainless cable to tie the engine to the tubular engine mount. In the event of a prop failure the out-of-balance engine can literally shake itself off its mount. The worst thing that can happen in that case is for the engine to fall off the airplane, making it tail heavy and uncontrollable. Some pilots have found after a prop failure that only the cowling kept their engine on the plane. You aren't trying to cable the engine in place so much as just keep it on the front of the airplane. Once under the crankcase between the cylinders is enough with a couple loops around the top mount tubes then nicopress the whole thing in place. I think I used 3/16ths cable on the Glasair, though 1/8th would probably be enough since it is rated at 2000 lbs. Bob At 10:46 PM +0200 8/10/02, Eric Evezard wrote: >Hi Netters, >This safety cable.How is it installed ? What dia. and strand weave.? >Makes sense to me. >Best Regards, >Eric Evezard, >South Africa -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:24:02 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Bob Farmer" Subject: Re: KR> Cable. Message-ID: <003f01c240ab$de815b80$b55e62d8@oemcomputer> Might the mount fail at the firewall letting the mount & engine go? Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert X. Cringely" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: Re: KR> Cable. > > It is required practice in Formula One (aircraft) racing following a > rash of metal propeller failures in the 1960s. You just use > stainless cable to tie the engine to the tubular engine mount. In > the event of a prop failure the out-of-balance engine can literally > shake itself off its mount. The worst thing that can happen in that > case is for the engine to fall off the airplane, making it tail heavy > and uncontrollable. Some pilots have found after a prop failure that > only the cowling kept their engine on the plane. You aren't trying > to cable the engine in place so much as just keep it on the front of > the airplane. Once under the crankcase between the cylinders is > enough with a couple loops around the top mount tubes then nicopress > the whole thing in place. I think I used 3/16ths cable on the > Glasair, though 1/8th would probably be enough since it is rated at > 2000 lbs. > > > Bob > > > > > At 10:46 PM +0200 8/10/02, Eric Evezard wrote: > >Hi Netters, > >This safety cable.How is it installed ? What dia. and strand weave.? > >Makes sense to me. > >Best Regards, > >Eric Evezard, > >South Africa > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:00:22 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Yes, they do fail! Message-ID: <02d001c240b1$087883a0$4ff621c4@co.za> ------=_NextPart_000_02CB_01C240C1.B4C26620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remember these nay-sayers telling you not to rely on your GPS because it = may fail? Well, I was happily cruising the Sout African skies this afternoon in my = KR2 when I actually saw it happen! The GPS never initialized. No signal, = no satellites picked up! I did not realize it at first because the GPA = accepted my inputs without any hint at the situation. Unlike VORs, this = GPS has no "flag". So, it displayed the map as if it knew where we were = going. Silly gadget! Anyway, it is a Garmin 315A, and I really wonder if I will find a way to = have it fixed, or if I will lose the $ 300+ it cost me 18 months ago. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_02CB_01C240C1.B4C26620-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:59:19 -0700 To: "Serge F. VIDAL" , From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dami=E3o_Lycari=E3o?= Subject: Re: KR> Yes, they do fail! Message-ID: <00ac01c240fc$3c8ff9c0$10a196c8@interair.com.br> If you don't mind my asking, are you sure this is a Garmin? I know Magellan used to have a 315 model. Damião Lycarião São Paulo- Brazil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge F. VIDAL" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: KR> Yes, they do fail! Remember these nay-sayers telling you not to rely on your GPS because it may fail? Well, I was happily cruising the Sout African skies this afternoon in my KR2 when I actually saw it happen! The GPS never initialized. No signal, no satellites picked up! I did not realize it at first because the GPA accepted my inputs without any hint at the situation. Unlike VORs, this GPS has no "flag". So, it displayed the map as if it knew where we were going. Silly gadget! Anyway, it is a Garmin 315A, and I really wonder if I will find a way to have it fixed, or if I will lose the $ 300+ it cost me 18 months ago. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:01:25 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Edges again:-) Message-ID: OK, I'm going to forget the one netter who completely shut this discussion down and try out the good ol days of the KRNet. Just shooting down the idea did not spur any conversations that might be of value to the KRNet. I know this is not a "you'll kill yourself" issue, they do have applications. I know there are applications where blunt trailing edges are functional and desirable. As I understand the issue, blunt trailing edges are predicable through the full performance range of an airfoil. Also, I understand the stall of a blunt trailing edge aileron wing is more aggresive but also the aileron can produce lighter feel in the midrange of the performance envelope. A YAK pilot at my home airport trimmed his ailerons back about 5 years ago to enhance his aerobatic routines. His blue YAK could be seen at SNF four years ago, as he won the time to climb in class two straight years. Someone said it produces drag, any truth to that? I've spent the last two days cruising all over the internet and found enough information to be a dangerous person if I opened my mouth:-) What about blunt trailing edge elevators? Again most aerobatic airplanes and Gulfstream (although near mach numbers are differnt, I've found lots of information on blunt trailing edges and mach) utilize this setup. Anyone care to talk and leave out the chest beating and berating that started last time. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:21:23 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DSprague01@aol.com Subject: Diehl tricycle gear Message-ID: <28.2aea9909.2a86ddd3@aol.com> Hi folks, I just bought a beautiful new KR2 from Lowell Newsome and am converting it to tricycle gear. Does anyone have a Diehl tricycle gear ( mains and/or nose gear) that they want to get rid of. Also, I have a KR retractable tail dragger set that has never been flown that's available. I spoke with Mark Langley and Mark Jones on this subject re: the pros and cons of Diehl vs Grove and came to the conclusion that the Diehl main gear would be a fairly easy retrofit in my bird. While I liked the Grove aluminum one piece strut, I couldn't justify the $300 difference which would go a long way toward the cost of the nose gear and wheel. Don Sprague dsprague01@aol.com 281 989 5110 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:42:11 -0500 To: From: "Richard Green" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Engine Options(main)/ KRNet or B.S.Net(short) Message-ID: Seen this at OSH this year, mounted in an RV4 with 80 hrs on it at the time of the EAA show: Model 6.5 ATP engine can generate between 120 and 240 HP. The 14" x 30" power plant weighs less than 200 pounds. Retail Price : $ 27000.00 http://www.atpcoinc.com/ -----Original Message----- From: AeroPax@aol.com [mailto:AeroPax@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:02 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Engine Options(main)/ KRNet or B.S.Net(short) Last I checked, neither of the Wright Brothers had degrees in engineering. The great thing about science is that anyone can do it. You do the research and experiment and then share the results. I like Mark's report on the new airfoil and with the software out there today or a bit of resourcefulness, I can verify that report. I don't care what prefix he has to his name, it was good work, and we should all be appreciative, whether you want to use the new foil or not. Now for the actual reason for my post. I've been looking at a lot of engines lately and have a few I'd like to put out here for comment. My goal is to have a 450 lb empty KR and obviously a good portion of the weight of the plane is in the engine. So with my criteria of at least 60 hp I found a few lightweights that I present here. Any suggestions for other lightweight engines are welome. Avid BMW 78hp 150 lb $8000 http://www.airdale.com/bmw_engines.htm 2SI ZDE 690L-70 70hp 101 lb $ ??? http://www.2si.com/2si_Aircraft.htm MZ301 90hp 100-120 lb $6568 http://www.compactradialengines.com/mz301.htm Pax Rolfe Tulsa, OK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:04:14 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: kr newsletter why a deadline? Message-ID: <20020810220414.34936.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am just curious as to why there was an urgency to meet a deadline for a certain number of subscriptions to the newsletter? In any small business venture it takes a little time for things to come together and start running smoothly. I'm sure over time there would be more subscribers. Just wondering, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:54:18 -0500 To: "'Rick Wilson'" From: "Larry A. Capps" Cc: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" Subject: kr newsletter why a deadline? Message-ID: <000501c240d1$9fb42100$0500a8c0@schpankme> Rick, The deadline was established by me to keep the newsletter current. However, since the amount of subscriptions and renewed subscriptions (57 subs) was far less than the cost of publishing and shipping the newsletter, I decided not to publish the newsletter at this time. Understand, the previous owner still owed 219 people the newsletter for a number months, and of this number 106 are owed 6-months or more of the newsletter. As you can see, 57 subscribers would not offset the cost to publish and ship those still owed the newsletter. In addition, of 45 people, who should have renewed with us to stay current, only 16 have renewed. You are probably right, we should give it another 30-days, which may allow additional people to subscribe to the newsletter. It would also be beneficial during this time to contact all those that think they have a current subscription and explain to them why they are no longer current subscribers with us. This should give them the opportunity (like a couple have already done) to collect their subscription balances owed, and then hopefully to renew with us for a years subscription. How long would you suggest we wait? Best Regards, Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Hi, I am just curious as to why there was an urgency to meet a deadline for a certain number of subscriptions to the newsletter? In any small business venture it takes a little time for things to come together and start running smoothly. I'm sure over time there would be more subscribers. Just wondering, Rick Wilson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:22:05 -0400 To: From: "Richard Fisher" Subject: KR Newsletter Subscription Message-Id: <200208101815750.SM00347@default> Hi All, Because I agree with Mark in trying to help Larry recover the money paid to Monte, I too am willing to donate my subscription fee to Larry. I'm even willing to add to that if Larry needs it. I'm not a KR builder yet, just a "wanna-be" but am firm in my belief that the KR is a great airplane and that Larry's efforts need to be supported. I am disappointed by the lack of subscribers to the newsletter as I want all the information on the KR I can get my hands on... :-) So, Larry please keep my money. Regards, Dick Fisher Franklin,PA Sonex Builder dick@galacticis.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:47:45 -0500 To: "KR Net Mail" , "Jon Miller" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: Not my mail Message-ID: <002101c240e1$79549200$16219ecd@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C240B7.8FC5E860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just received the following message on the KR Net. The following mail can't be sent to krnet-help@mailinglists.org: From: patrick36@usfamily.net To: krnet-help@mailinglists.org Subject: Back to headlines The file is the original mail=20 I did not send out any messages to the net. Any ideas?? Pat Driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C240B7.8FC5E860-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:05:02 -0500 To: "KR Net Mail" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Not my mail Message-ID: <02a801c240e3$e359eb30$0100a8c0@TD310> Patrick Driscoll wrote: >>I did not send out any messages to the net. Any ideas?? My first guess would be the KLEZ virus. You probably don't have it as long as you didn't open it. And the funny thing is that the message didn't come from KRnet either. The virus just picks email addresses from the victim's address book and "cloaks" the output to appear as if it came from there, rather than where it actually originated. That way, you notify the sender and the sender almost always says "I don't have it, I'm sure", and he's right. It came to you from somewhere else, with his return address on it. Whoever unknowingly emailed the virus had previously emailed krnet-help@mailinglists.org , so it was placed automatically in his address book, and became input for this twisted virus! Don't sweat it, just don't open any emails that appear to come from friends with attachments named things that just don't seem right... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:47:13 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Glasco Subject: virus W32.Klez.H@mm Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020810204713.0082ebf0@mail.ridgenet.net> Appearently this one is making the rounds again. I received 5 messages with this virus in 2 days this week. It first surfaced in April. See: "http://securityresponse.symantec.com/" I don't use Outlook and the current version of Norton Antivirus will catch it so my computer didn't get infected. Brad Glasco Ridgecrest, CA At 10:05 PM 8/10/02 -0500, you wrote: >Patrick Driscoll wrote: > >>>I did not send out any messages to the net. Any ideas?? > >My first guess would be the KLEZ virus. >Don't sweat it, just don't open any emails that appear to come from friends >with attachments named things that just don't seem right... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************