From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 13 Aug 2002 14:35:37 -0000 Issue 498 Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:36 AM krnet Digest 13 Aug 2002 14:35:37 -0000 Issue 498 Topics (messages 12096 through 12125): Re: Newsletter on line 12096 by: Bob Farmer How much time and money when in to your KR? 12097 by: Wade Russell 12099 by: Christian Kogelmann 12101 by: Brian Kraut 12106 by: Daniel Heath Re: 2 stroke engine 12098 by: Serge F. VIDAL Test ride in a KR2 or KR2S 12100 by: Gary Cole KR-4 12102 by: Brian Kraut 12103 by: Schurr, Larry 12119 by: Dana Overall KR2 plans for sale 12104 by: Brian Kraut turn coordinator for sale and wanted 12105 by: Brian Kraut Re: Attention KR Builders/lawers 12107 by: bstarrs ack a-30 encoder 12108 by: Dean Selby Asso IV 12109 by: WMartensJr.aol.com 12118 by: AeroPax.aol.com 12122 by: WMartensJr.aol.com cowling tufts revealed! 12110 by: Mark Langford 12111 by: Mark Jones 2 stroke engine - Warning - contains modification info 12112 by: van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02) Pictures of my project: Warning! - Contains modification informa tion 12113 by: van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02) Help with LG brackets 12114 by: Philip Maley 12116 by: Ronald Freiberger 12117 by: Philip Maley 12120 by: Philip Maley Outer spar lengths - Warning! Contains modification info 12115 by: van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02) time frame on KR-2M 12121 by: Audrey and Harold Woods Re: KR Newsletter/KROnline 12123 by: Stephen J Robinson Re: kr newsletter why a deadline? 12124 by: Stephen J Robinson Re: KR Newsletter - someone say CD 12125 by: Stephen J Robinson Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:37:03 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Bob Farmer" Subject: Re: KR> Newsletter on line Message-ID: <007b01c24226$dfec7000$8b5b62d8@oemcomputer> Would HTML format work. Contributors could just post an HTML document to a web site and it could be viewed by all. Only paying members could post to the site or vote on whether to archive it or send into cyber space. Paying members would be the only ones with access to the archived material. I know Mark and a lot of others already have a lot of good information in HTML on their web sites. Some rules as to file types & file sizes should be given some thought. Dues would have to be at least enough to cover server cost. Just a thought or two Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net foamhead@ls.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "NORM-RUTH" To: "krnet" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Fw: KR> Newsletter on line > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html > Virg and anyone else interested, this should do the job. Norm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:07:38 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Wade Russell" Subject: How much time and money when in to your KR? Message-ID: KR builders, I have a simple question that I know will get many different types of answers however I was curious on the time frame and costs it has taken to build your KR-1 or KR-2S? Thanks in advance! - Wade Russell _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:37:39 +0200 To: "Wade Russell" , From: "Christian Kogelmann" Subject: Re: KR> How much time and money when in to your KR? Message-ID: <01da01c24240$3aaf43a0$4c1b2e3e@aptivacomputer> Russ, Just finished my KR-2S over a period of 8 years. But I took it easy (well I had to build a house, became father....). I spend about 3000 hours at it. (About 500 of them filling and sanding). I had a lot of addition modifications to do to satisfy the austrian requirements. One of them was building the spar caps in layers of 1/4 thick wooden boards (thats was very time consuming). Plus I am a first time builder and everything took twice as long anyway! I spent: $ 7000 on Rand Robinson parts (including plywood and Cleveland brakes and rims 500x5 wheels) $ 6000 GPAS VW2180 engine $ 4000 Avionics + Instruments (new KY97A Radio, used KT78 Txponder, + usual Instruments) $ 2000 little things (including prop) $ 1000 paint, filler, primer (that surprised me too) $ 1200 unnecessary taxes, authority fees, shipping(all the way to austria) total: ~ $ 21.200,- I guess I ended up a little on the expensive side but over a period of 8 years, what the heck....if you don't spend it on the KR you spend it on something else. And after the first flights I think the KR is worth every $ spent. LG Chris KR-2S OE-VPD ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Russell To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: KR> How much time and money when in to your KR? > KR builders, > > I have a simple question that I know will get many different types of > answers however I was curious on the time frame and costs it has taken to > build your KR-1 or KR-2S? > > Thanks in advance! > - Wade Russell > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:05:03 -0400 To: Wade Russell From: Brian Kraut CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> How much time and money when in to your KR? Message-ID: <3D583F1F.4050901@earthlink.net> Both questions have the same answer. Twice as much as you expect. Some will argue three times. Wade Russell wrote: > KR builders, > > I have a simple question that I know will get many different types of > answers however I was curious on the time frame and costs it has taken > to build your KR-1 or KR-2S? > > Thanks in advance! > - Wade Russell > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For > additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:33:35 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> How much time and money when in to your KR? Message-ID: On my first one, I bought it advertised as 90% complete for $3500. Six years and $8500 more, I was flying it. This one, well Jerry will have to say for sure, but I think it will be about 15 years and $12,000. These are KR2, which probably take about the same amount of time to build as an 1 or an S. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:07:13 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Re: KR> 2 stroke engine Message-ID: <00c801c2423c$6dce41e0$0ec621c4@co.za> . But then the Hirth is > powering more aircraft (including helicopters) and should be quite reputable > by now. > Quite reputable by now? Hennie, Hirth has been making engines since before the first world war! Many, many aircraft have been flying Hirths, some of them very big. Of course, after WWII, they had to move to less noble activities, making lawnmower engines and the like. Buth Hirth is one of the great names in engines! Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:51:53 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gary Cole Subject: Test ride in a KR2 or KR2S Message-ID: <20020812225153.63916.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1592258641-1029192713=:63807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm looking to buy a plane, and the KR-2 or KR-2-S seems to fit my requirements. Is there someone in my area that would be willing to give me a ride in their plane? I live in south central Michigan, so the southern Michigan, northern Ohio or northern Indiana region would work for me. I.m looking for an economical, high speed, cross county traveler, for two, that I can take flying lessons in. Thank You Gary Eaglewingaviation@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1592258641-1029192713=:63807-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:14:01 -0400 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: KR-4 Message-ID: <3D584139.4000404@earthlink.net> After I get my KR2 in the air I am going to continue on a four place design I have been working on for a while. It will have similar size and performance to a Lancair, but will use a spruce/foam/composite construction method like the KR. I like several high performance four place designs, but they all use very expensive pre-molded parts. None of them are scratch built with the pay as you go method. I was wondering if anyone else knows of anything similar ot there. Before all the "Build to the plans, the KR was not meant to be a four place" posts come I want to clarify that this will be a completely new design with no similarities to the KR except for the basic construction method. I don't have a name for it yet, but it will not be a KR-anything. And, yes, I will have an aeronautical and structural engineer working on the design with me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:17:13 -0500 To: "'engalt@earthlink.net'" , krnet From: "Schurr, Larry" Subject: RE: KR> KR-4 Message-ID: Brian, I always wanted to see someone do this! Had envisioned it with club seating (back to back) and a big Soob engine. Retracts? Electric flaps? Electric everything? :-) Just curious. Larry >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian Kraut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net] >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:14 PM >To: krnet >Subject: KR> KR-4 > > >After I get my KR2 in the air I am going to continue on a four place >design I have been working on for a while. It will have similar size >and performance to a Lancair, but will use a spruce/foam/composite >construction method like the KR. I like several high performance four >place designs, but they all use very expensive pre-molded parts. None >of them are scratch built with the pay as you go method. I was >wondering if anyone else knows of anything similar ot there. > >Before all the "Build to the plans, the KR was not meant to be a four >place" posts come I want to clarify that this will be a completely new >design with no similarities to the KR except for the basic >construction >method. I don't have a name for it yet, but it will not be a >KR-anything. And, yes, I will have an aeronautical and structural >engineer working on the design with me. > >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:37:22 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> KR-4 Message-ID: >From: Brian Kraut >After I get my KR2 in the air I am going to continue on a four place design >None of them are scratch built with the pay as you go method. I was >wondering if anyone else knows of anything similar ot there. > This falls in the "similar" catagory. Van's is coming out the with the four place RV-10 next year. Without checking, I believe the kit price will be about 22K. This compares to the RV-7 kit price of 17K. I'm like you, there is a market for an affordable four place airplane. For god's sake, don't use blunt trailing edges though:-)if you are planning on cranking along at 300MPH. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:28:51 -0400 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: KR2 plans for sale Message-ID: <3D5844B3.2000409@earthlink.net> I have a complete set of plans for a KR2 for sale(S/N 7959). I bought the plane in 1988 and have never built a plane with them. I bought a completed KR a few months ago that came with its own set of plans so I don't need the other set anymore. I am asking $100.00 and will include shipping in the U.S.. Price from Rand is $165.00. You can buy the 2S supplement from Rand for $75.00. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:36:23 -0400 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: turn coordinator for sale and wanted Message-ID: <3D584677.6080008@earthlink.net> I have a 12V electric turn coordinator for sale. It is a Brittain Industries model TC100 (12). I bought it at Sun-N-Fun a few years ago before I had a plane. Now I have a KR that needs a TC, but this one is too long to fit with the fuel tank I have. Length is 6 7/8" from the front to the back of the connector. I don't have the connector, but it is a standard part. I would figure that will add 3/4" to the total length. I would like to get $150.00 for this instrument. I am also looking to buy one that is not as long if anyone has one. Aircraft Spruce has an import TC in their catalog for $273.00 that is only 3 3/4" long. Does anyone have any experience with that TC? It is half the price of the other ones they have and I wanted to know if it is any good. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:28:09 -0700 To: , "Bruce S. Campbell" From: "bstarrs" Cc: "Dana Overall" , Subject: Re: KR> Attention KR Builders/lawers Message-ID: <002c01c24260$4db50dc0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> If you go through life being affraid of being sued , you are going to miss out on a lot of fun.You can't carry enough insurance to protect you from everything. Relax go for it , What ever IT is . Don't let fear keep you from at least trying it. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "Bruce S. Campbell" Cc: "Dana Overall" ; Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: KR> Attention KR Builders/lawers > Anything with 50 gallons of avgas in it burns! > > Bruce S. Campbell wrote: > > >Dana Overall wrote: > > > >>Now, after I just said the issue is not black and white........in the real > >>world the answer would be NOPE, there's no way you can preclude yourself > >>from liability exposure in the subsequent sale of a homebuilt airplane. Can > >>you say firewood?? > >> > > > >Dana, > > > >Do RV's burn? ;o) > > > >Bruce S. Campbell > >Tampa de Florida > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:30:59 -0500 To: From: "Dean Selby" Subject: ack a-30 encoder Message-ID: <005701c24260$b3cdae50$495818d0@dean> ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C24236.C9A75890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for the pin-out diagram for an ACK A-30 altitude encoder. = Any of you have one you could scan and e-mail me? Or do you know a web = address where it is posted. I would appreciate it. Thanks, Dean deans@usit.net ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C24236.C9A75890-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:45:53 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: WMartensJr@aol.com Subject: Asso IV Message-ID: <55.2badbd10.2a89b0c1@aol.com> --part1_55.2badbd10.2a89b0c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know anything about this particular bird? I've built two KR's before and find I prefer tandem seating yet still want a wood aircraft. Interesting landing gear here also. I've found these two sites which are enough to wet my appetite but I need more information. http://space.tin.it/sport/macorri/index.html http://www.assoaeri.com/prod01-en.htm So, if anyone is familiar with the aircraft or can point me to an English site or source for plans/information pack I'm most interested. Thanks, Walt --part1_55.2badbd10.2a89b0c1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:36:41 EDT To: WMartensJr@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AeroPax@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Asso IV Message-ID: <131.1237f268.2a8a3b39@aol.com> --part1_131.1237f268.2a8a3b39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Asso IV is a Guiseppe Vidor design originally named the Champion I believe. S. Littner sells the plans, and If you want to buy the a quick build kit it's being marketed as the Pioneer 200 or 300. It seems everyone bought the rights to Mr Vidor's designs. http://www.homebuilt.org/kits/littner/littner.html I personally like the Whiskey IV design, it's a tandem seater. Pax Rolfe Tulsa, OK --part1_131.1237f268.2a8a3b39_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:49:58 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: WMartensJr@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Asso IV Message-ID: <19a.6e601a2.2a8a6886@aol.com> --part1_19a.6e601a2.2a8a6886_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 6:36:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AeroPax writes: > I personally like the Whiskey IV design, it's a tandem seater. Pax, Yep, that's the one I like also. I kinda got spoiled with good visibility in military jets and really favor tandem seating. Thanks for the information. Walt --part1_19a.6e601a2.2a8a6886_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:57:59 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: cowling tufts revealed! Message-ID: <004301c24264$78880c60$5600a8c0@athlon600> TuftHeads, Rich Siefert was kind enough to do the cowling tuft testing that I requested last week, and my guess is that Richard Shirley took these photographs with one hand while flying his killer KR1 (see http://www.krnet.org/ ) with the other. Even if you could care less about air flow around a KR cowling, you might want to check these out for pure KR flying pleasure anyway... http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tuft1m.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tuft2m.jpg Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:02:33 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> cowling tufts revealed! Message-ID: <006801c24265$1ba937c0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Excellent photos. Isn't it amazing how tight the tufts are against the cowl. Very smooth air flow. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: KR> cowling tufts revealed! > TuftHeads, > > Rich Siefert was kind enough to do the cowling tuft testing that I requested > last week, and my guess is that Richard Shirley took these photographs with > one hand while flying his killer KR1 (see http://www.krnet.org/ ) with the > other. Even if you could care less about air flow around a KR cowling, you > might want to check these out for pure KR flying pleasure anyway... > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tuft1m.jpg > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tuft2m.jpg > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:20:32 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02)" Subject: 2 stroke engine - Warning - contains modification info Hi Serge, Thank you for the information. I was informed that the initial Hirth engine installations in the South African made Thunderbird microlight were not too successfull. I've spoken to the designer/builder once and he told me he had to make numerous modifications to make it reliable. Problem was apparantly that some critical components came loose as a result of the vibration. I take it for granted that these problems have been solved as I understand it is still being manufactured with these engines. Keep well, Hennie South Africa Ps. I see you fly your KR A LOT! It is nice to see someone who really loves flying and especially flying the KR. "Quite reputable by now? Hennie, Hirth has been making engines since before the first world war! Many, many aircraft have been flying Hirths, some of them very big. Of course, after WWII, they had to move to less noble activities, making lawnmower engines and the like. Buth Hirth is one of the great names in engines!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:00:02 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02)" Subject: Pictures of my project: Warning! - Contains modification informa tion Hi all, "I look forward to seeing some pictures when you get them up somewhere." Danny Livingstone took some pictures of my project over the weekend and promised to host them on his site along with his newly aquired Corvair engines. Have a look out for them, they should appear soon. I will get my newly donated site up and running soon. Regards, Hennie South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:21:27 +0800 To: "KRnet" From: "Philip Maley" Subject: Help with LG brackets Message-ID: Hi all I just bought some main landing gear brackets that I was told were Deihl brackets. You can see in the pictures at http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/2002aug12pics.html that they are NOT the current design of Deihl brackets. If anyone has any clues as to how they fit and what LG legs go with them I'd be very grateful. Regards Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:23:00 -0400 To: , "KRnet" From: "Ronald Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Help with LG brackets Message-ID: There must be some kind of law that addresses fraud by email. This seems a flagrant violation of any kind of fair play. I assume Bill Clapp is no longer part of our happy family. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Philip Maley [mailto:phil@wotech.com.au] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:21 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Help with LG brackets Hi all I just bought some main landing gear brackets that I was told were Deihl brackets. You can see in the pictures at http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/2002aug12pics.html that they are NOT the current design of Deihl brackets. If anyone has any clues as to how they fit and what LG legs go with them I'd be very grateful. Regards Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:59:15 +0800 To: "Ronald Freiberger" , "KRnet" From: "Philip Maley" Subject: RE: KR> Help with LG brackets Message-ID: Hi Ron I'm putting it down to my own stupidity now. Anyway the nose leg looks like it should be OK so all is not lost. Kind regards Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Freiberger [mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:23 PM To: phil@wotech.com.au; KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Help with LG brackets There must be some kind of law that addresses fraud by email. This seems a flagrant violation of any kind of fair play. I assume Bill Clapp is no longer part of our happy family. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:13:03 +0800 To: "KRnet" From: "Phil Maley" Subject: RE: KR> Help with LG brackets Message-ID: Hi again Once again Mark Langford has come to the rescue with a photograph of the actual LG brackets installed in Bill Clapp's aircraft. This interthingy is fantastic isn't it? Thanks again Mark. I've put the details at http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/2002aug12pics.html. Regards Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:24:39 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02)" Subject: Outer spar lengths - Warning! Contains modification info Hi all, One question (just for ease of my mind) if I may: What's been an good average wing tip extension length using the same inner spars and WAF's? I.o.w, what's the maximum extended new outboard wing length using the existing structural design? I know quite a few have increased their wing span by adding to the tips with good and seemingly safe results. I'm after these figures. To put it simple, what's the maximum length that has thus far safely been attached to the inner spars with good and proven actual flying results? Regards, Hennie South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:47:59 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: time frame on KR-2M Message-ID: <003801c242d0$09521400$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C242AE.820E1960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re Wade Russel's request for time frame of building and cost. 1978-My wife bought a set of KR-2 plans and we started building in the = summer, in a back shed. (Orillia Ontario Canada).The fuselage boat stage = was reached.No work could be dome in cold weather. 1979- Wings were worked on. 1980- We started building a houseboat. 1982- houseboat launched. 1983-85-We played with the houseboat when ever possible. 1986-87- back at the KR-2M. Note the "M" stands for Modified to the = extent that my wife gave up and I =20 continued. 1988-90-modifying the houseboat and using it. 1990-91-designed and built a 20x30 highly insulated workshop. 1992- retired from teaching high shool chemistry physics and science 1993-94.a bit of travel etc. 1995-2000- back at the KR-2M on an on and off basis 2001- got a computer, still working on the KR-2M 2002- got on the KRNet. I should have been on it mega years ago. I hope to fly it in 2003. My PPL is good till my next medical in 2004. I = am now 72 years old. Work is accelerating because I want to fly it before I lose my liscence = due to "age". Cost. Franklin 120A 2 cylinder, 4 cycle, 60 HP engine , 135 hours total = time.3 blade Warp Drive prop. $5000.00 Can. Estimated the rest has cost = $4000.00 Can. (no paint or radios). The moral of this story.is: Start young, do NOT modify once you = start.Keep right at it.Borough the required money if necessary. If = possible buy some one elses project that is partly complete.=20 Harold Woods. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C242AE.820E1960-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:26:00 -0400 To: langford@hiwaay.net From: Stephen J Robinson Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter/KROnline Message-ID: <20020813.103256.-351717.3.sjrobinson2@juno.com> Mark, Count me in. I'll do whatever I can from up here in NH to keep the lines of communication open. I've already corresponded with Larry via E-mail and money. What else is necessary from me to keep the boat afloat? Steve Robinson P.S. The dragster seats I ordered for my project are too wide and (in my opinion too heavy), so I'm going to probably return them. Any bright ideas on an alternative that is 1) adjustable and 2) comfortable? On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:40:04 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > KRnetHeads, > > I don't blame Larry one bit for giving up on the Newsletter. The > simple > facts are that the subscriptions have dwindled over the years, > mainly due to > KRnet, and they would continue to dwindle until there's nothing > left, and no > reason to go on. I think we're there now. I just hope he sells > enough CDs > of the back issues to reimburse him for the cost of saving the > Newsletter > from the clutches of the EAA for us. > > With Larry's permission, we could continue to publish the KR > Newsletter, > electronically, somewhat like the KROnline that we did back before > Monte > took over the Newsletter several years ago (see > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kro12_96.html for an example). > The > newsletter would continue, but electronically, free, and online! We > could > do it in something like PDF format, and if we keep it down to 7 > pages, we > could still mail it out to "snailmail" subscribers of the > Newsletter. > Whoever volunteered to take on this job would merely have to print > it out > and mail them to subscribers, and collect the subscription fees for > their > trouble. As long as we keep the pipeline full of good articles and > a > completed Newsletter every month, somebody would have a cushy job on > their > hands that would probably buy a little beer every month. Larry may > want to > volunteer for that job himself, for all I know. The editor and the > "mailer" > could even be two different people, or it could rotate around > somewhat. The > mailing list should drop considerably from 210 since many of us are > also on > the web, and would prefer the color electronic version to a black > and white > snailmail version. > > If nothing else, the change would announce to the subscribers about > the > benefits of KRnet, and encourage many of them to get online. Others > for > which internet access is too expensive (like many overseas countries) > could > enjoy the benefits of sharing our knowledge of KR flying and > building. > These future articles could become a new form of FAQ for us too. > > Be prepared to volunteer if you jump on the bandwagen. We'll need > an > editor too, which I'll reserve for Randy Stein or Larry Capps if > they're > crazy enough to actually want to do that. What do y'all think? We > can keep > this thing going if we want to... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:53:35 -0400 To: lacapps@attbi.com From: Stephen J Robinson Cc: rwdw2002@yahoo.com,krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> kr newsletter why a deadline? Message-ID: <20020813.103256.-351717.0.sjrobinson2@juno.com> Larry, Keep the concept alive. If you need more $$ to do that, I'll contribute more than the $69 I've already sent you, just let me and others know. I feel that while the KR-net leaves a lot to be desired, i.e., quality control on idiots, the kernals to real knowledge are worth the pain of plowing through the kindergardeners. The newsletter requires a lot more work to put out than someone just shooting their mouth of on the net. And its more permanent. I keep and appreciate every copy of the newsletter I've ever received and look forward to getting that CD on even earlier copies, whenever you see fit to send it to me. So I'm willing to make a contract with you on this end, if you are willing to do the same. Steve Robinson Deerfield, NH On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:54:18 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" writes: > Rick, > > The deadline was established by me to keep the newsletter current. > However, > since the amount of subscriptions and renewed subscriptions (57 > subs) was > far less than the cost of publishing and shipping the newsletter, I > decided > not to publish the newsletter at this time. Understand, the > previous owner > still owed 219 people the newsletter for a number months, and of > this number > 106 are owed 6-months or more of the newsletter. As you can see, > 57 > subscribers would not offset the cost to publish and ship those > still owed > the newsletter. In addition, of 45 people, who should have renewed > with us > to stay current, only 16 have renewed. > > You are probably right, we should give it another 30-days, which may > allow > additional people to subscribe to the newsletter. It would also be > beneficial during this time to contact all those that think they > have a > current subscription and explain to them why they are no longer > current > subscribers with us. This should give them the opportunity (like a > couple > have already done) to collect their subscription balances owed, and > then > hopefully to renew with us for a years subscription. > > How long would you suggest we wait? > > Best Regards, > > Larry A. Capps > KR Newsletter > Naperville, IL > > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, I am just curious as to why there was an urgency > to meet a deadline for a certain number of > subscriptions to the newsletter? > > In any small business > venture it takes a little time for things to come > together and start running smoothly. > > I'm sure over > time there would be more subscribers. Just wondering, > Rick Wilson. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:18:27 -0400 To: lacapps@attbi.com From: Stephen J Robinson Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org,flesner@midwest.net Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - someone say CD Message-ID: <20020813.103256.-351717.1.sjrobinson2@juno.com> Larry, Looking forward to my copy of the CD. Keep the faith. Steve Robinson On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:01:37 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" writes: > Larry, > > In response to your suggestion* below, the "27 years of the KR > Newsletter" > CDs will be made available, with or without the newsletter being > published. > One of the most important features of the KR Newsletter is its > combined > knowledgebase (building ideas and stories) captured over 27 years > of > publication. With this information compiled on CD and utilizing the > built > in search engine you will search for specific words and text phrases > related > to your building or design question. My wife and I have taken great > pride > to hand scan, with great quality (read many redo's) 1600+ pages of > the > newsletter with every free minute we have. The newsletter CDs will > be > shipped with-in-2-weeks to all who have pre-ordered and we will have > extra > copies for immediate shipment. > > Best Regards, > > Larry A. Capps > KR Newsletter > Naperville, IL > mailto:krnews@attbi.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > *If it will not cause any additional expenses for Larry (Capps), I > would > suggest this decission be held until the Gathering. > > Subscriptions and > CD's could be sold there and Larry can determine (ahead of time) the > number > of subscriptions needed to continue the Newsletter. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************