From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 31 Aug 2002 02:23:10 -0000 Issue 507 Date: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:24 PM krnet Digest 31 Aug 2002 02:23:10 -0000 Issue 507 Topics (messages 12296 through 12304): Re: KR on the way 12296 by: James Foster Re: trailer 12297 by: Mark Langford 12304 by: David McKelvey A new goodie for your KR 12298 by: Robert Stone Test 12299 by: JIM VANCE Transporting a KR 12300 by: Bob Lee 12302 by: Ross Youngblood Re: Transporting a KR] 12301 by: Ron Thomas Re: wing area kr2s 12303 by: Mr. Bryce Guenther Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:50:09 -0500 To: From: "James Foster" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR on the way Message-ID: <001b01c24efe$69039f60$13e590d1@pilgrim1> KR Friends, I'm getting ready to move a KR2 from Shreveport to Katy, TX. What size trailer will I need? U-Haul largest is 6x10'. Thanks, Jim Foster Katy, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: mike galloway To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:29 PM Subject: KR> Re: KR on the way > I will be leaving Dallas tomorow, Thursday, pulling an empty trailer to Pa > to retrieve my KR2 project which I started building when I lived there, but > had to temporarily leave behind when I moved. Kerry and Curtis have > generously offered to let me keep it temporarily in their chicken house in > Paris until I locate a suitable place in the east Dallas area to work on > finishing it. Wish me luck on a lonnnnnng drive.:) > Mike Galloway > Mesquite, Tx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:03:20 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: trailer Message-ID: <001601c24f08$a744c5b0$5600a8c0@athlon600> Jim Foster wrote: > I'm getting ready to move a KR2 from Shreveport to Katy, TX. What size > trailer will I need? U-Haul largest is 6x10'. I just bought a trailer from Harbor Freight that could be easily converted in a KR hauler. It's a $250 "easily storable" affair, which can be folded into thirds and leaned up against the wall. It is light, at under 200 pounds, so it's easily moved around, and can haul 1000 pounds. The bed is 48.25" x 96.25 (so plywood fits nicely). I put mine together in about 4 hours with my 9 year old's help, so most folks could probably assemble it in about 3 hours. It's made of relatively thin gauge folded C-channels, so it's easily drilled and modified, and light and easy to move around. I'm thinking of extending it about two feet (it's 11 feet from hitch ball to aft end) and bolting a large aluminum channel across the rails to set the mains in, and fasten the tail to the forward end. The trailer's wheels would have to be move back 3 or 4 feet, but that's easily done with a drill and 15 minutes of extra effort when assembling. Details would have to be worked out with a little CG work, but for a tricycle gear, this would be a ten minute bolt on operation without even extending the trailer or moving the axle. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/02082803m.jpg for a photo. This may not be something you'd want to do if you're leaving this week, but if you have a while you might consider it. It's a cheap way to cobble up a minimal KR trailer that you can use for other stuff, if you need it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:23:51 -0500 To: From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> RE: trailer Message-ID: >>fasten the tail to the forward end. I had 2 KR2s on a 16' tandem axle trailer, one facing fwd, the other aft (don't ask me how). The only problem I had was a broken elevator spar when a truck past me delivering a gust that moved the whole truck/trailer, despite my efforts to support the rudder/elevator. If you do go tail to the wind, make sure you stabilize the tail feathers. Dave Grapevine TX -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:03 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> RE: trailer Jim Foster wrote: > I'm getting ready to move a KR2 from Shreveport to Katy, TX. What size > trailer will I need? U-Haul largest is 6x10'. I just bought a trailer from Harbor Freight that could be easily converted in a KR hauler. It's a $250 "easily storable" affair, which can be folded into thirds and leaned up against the wall. It is light, at under 200 pounds, so it's easily moved around, and can haul 1000 pounds. The bed is 48.25" x 96.25 (so plywood fits nicely). I put mine together in about 4 hours with my 9 year old's help, so most folks could probably assemble it in about 3 hours. It's made of relatively thin gauge folded C-channels, so it's easily drilled and modified, and light and easy to move around. I'm thinking of extending it about two feet (it's 11 feet from hitch ball to aft end) and bolting a large aluminum channel across the rails to set the mains in, and fasten the tail to the forward end. The trailer's wheels would have to be move back 3 or 4 feet, but that's easily done with a drill and 15 minutes of extra effort when assembling. Details would have to be worked out with a little CG work, but for a tricycle gear, this would be a ten minute bolt on operation without even extending the trailer or moving the axle. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/02082803m.jpg for a photo. This may not be something you'd want to do if you're leaving this week, but if you have a while you might consider it. It's a cheap way to cobble up a minimal KR trailer that you can use for other stuff, if you need it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:45:47 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: A new goodie for your KR Message-ID: <000c01c24f62$612502c0$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C24F38.781CA020 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01C24F38.781CA020" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C24F38.781CA020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters: Check this out, might be useful for high speed taxi. 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When he got to his destination and opened the back gate the plane was beaten to death. His conclusion was that the truck having a load capacity of 10,000 pounds had a suspension that was much too stiff for 500 pounds of KR. As you look for a suitable trailer or truck to haul your KR make sure that the KR is a significant part of the load. That way the suspension will take the bumps rather than the KR. Mark's post regarding the trailer that he recently purchased is a good example of something with the proper capacity. You can always rig a tail wheel support that would extend the length of the trailer and still keep the mains over the trailer axel for proper loading of the trailer. Bottom line, don't borrow a friends, triple axle trailer that he hauls his Bobcat with during the week just because it's the right size for your KR. Always consider load capacity as well as size. Regards, Bob Lee _____________________________________ e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com web site: http://flyboybob.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:11:42 -0700 To: "KRnet \(E-mail\)" , bob@flyboybob.com From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> Transporting a KR Message-Id: This is probably a good idea. I have a tandem axle cargo trailer that is overkill for my KR, but I have tie down rings in the floor that anchor it to the trailer floor from the engine mount, and a sling for the tail, along with a bungee to a floor anchor from the tailwheel to the trailer floor. This setup has worked for the trip from Corvallis OR, to Chandler, Az, and unfortunatly, worked well for the trip back from Chandler AZ to Corvallis, OR. The KR has one other move while it was in the boat stage from Phoenix to Oregon. I suspect that my KR has more road miles on than most. Folks can view my trailering setup on my opening "shockwave" presentation on http://N541RY.com you need a fast connection, or patience to see it properly. The last portion of the slideshow shows the trailer/truck combination, and how the KR and wings are packed in my 16x8 cargo trailer. I purchased the trailer to keep the KR out of the Sun, as there was a 6 year waiting list for hangars at the Chandler airport. The KR is unpacked and at hangar 'Z' in Corvallis now. I was unpacking boxes, and making a aircraft spruce shopping list last night. -- Regards Ross 8/30/2002 4:17:06 AM, "Bob Lee" wrote: >KRnetters, > >There have been several mentions of trailering KR's lately. I have searched >for an old KRnet posting that I can't find from a fellow that brought his KR >from the east coast to the west coast, NYC to Seattle I think. He thought >that he would baby his KR so he rented and enclosed truck to haul it with. >When he got to his destination and opened the back gate the plane was beaten >to death. His conclusion was that the truck having a load capacity of >10,000 pounds had a suspension that was much too stiff for 500 pounds of KR. > >As you look for a suitable trailer or truck to haul your KR make sure that >the KR is a significant part of the load. That way the suspension will take >the bumps rather than the KR. Mark's post regarding the trailer that he >recently purchased is a good example of something with the proper capacity. >You can always rig a tail wheel support that would extend the length of the >trailer and still keep the mains over the trailer axel for proper loading of >the trailer. > >Bottom line, don't borrow a friends, triple axle trailer that he hauls his >Bobcat with during the week just because it's the right size for your KR. >Always consider load capacity as well as size. > >Regards, > >Bob Lee >_____________________________________ >e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com >web site: http://flyboybob.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:09:14 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ron Thomas Subject: [Fwd: Re: KR> Transporting a KR] Message-ID: <3D6F606A.DC2681D5@mindspring.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: KR> Transporting a KR Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:03:35 -0400 From: Ron Thomas To: krnet@mailinglist.org References: <005001c25016$c6c46ee0$040c0b0a@cheryl> For those whole have not done much trailering. Make sure you have enough tonge weight. If you have ever seen someone towing a trailer that is loaded tail heavy, you know what I'm talking about. At some speed, depending on how tail heavy the trailer is loaded, it will start getting out of control and if being towed by a light vehicle, can make you lose control of the whole rig. Good luck with your transporting. Bob Lee wrote: > > KRnetters, > > There have been several mentions of trailering KR's lately. I have searched > for an old KRnet posting that I can't find from a fellow that brought his KR > from the east coast to the west coast, NYC to Seattle I think. He thought > that he would baby his KR so he rented and enclosed truck to haul it with. > When he got to his destination and opened the back gate the plane was beaten > to death. His conclusion was that the truck having a load capacity of > 10,000 pounds had a suspension that was much too stiff for 500 pounds of KR. > > As you look for a suitable trailer or truck to haul your KR make sure that > the KR is a significant part of the load. That way the suspension will take > the bumps rather than the KR. Mark's post regarding the trailer that he > recently purchased is a good example of something with the proper capacity. > You can always rig a tail wheel support that would extend the length of the > trailer and still keep the mains over the trailer axel for proper loading of > the trailer. > > Bottom line, don't borrow a friends, triple axle trailer that he hauls his > Bobcat with during the week just because it's the right size for your KR. > Always consider load capacity as well as size. > > Regards, > > Bob Lee > _____________________________________ > e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com > web site: http://flyboybob.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:23:30 -0400 To: kazzri@xtra.co.nz, krnet@mailinglists.org From: flyKRS@netscape.net (Mr. Bryce Guenther) Subject: RE: KR> wing area kr2s Message-ID: <05D57C43.5F158471.0006291F@netscape.net> Substantial Flaps are the most pronounced stall speed factoring design change you can have. I increased the span by 1 feet on my KR with just more Foam when I built my wing tips. The type of landing gear can also affect your landing speed and rollout distance. A tall main gear will have placed the wings at a higher angle of attack so with smaller wings/higher wing loading can actually creat more drag and subsequent short rollout distance than a KR with short gear that floats forever in ground effect. Most KR's takeoff in short distances but landing distance is a problem. The rudder authority with a slower stall speed quickly becomes a problem the slower one desires. Just my opinion okay! wrote: >guys i wish to increase my wing area (reduce stall speed) any ideas on the best method i am about to start my spars and thought i should cover this first >thanks for any help Jeff Sanderson Kazzri@xtra.co.nz > -- Flying is Fun and a Thrill that nearly nothing else can compare. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************