From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 19 Oct 2002 02:50:48 -0000 Issue 534 Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 6:52 PM krnet Digest 19 Oct 2002 02:50:48 -0000 Issue 534 Topics (messages 12840 through 12853): Re: KR2 speeds 12840 by: Justin 12845 by: Mike Mims Gusset idea"s" 12841 by: Justin 12843 by: Daniel Heath 12844 by: Mark Langford 12849 by: Mark Langford 12851 by: Daniel Heath 12853 by: WMartensJr.aol.com Re: any flying KR2S 12842 by: Geroge Vandor Speed of the KR 12846 by: Steve test flight report 12847 by: Oscar Zuniga Update 12848 by: Mark Jones AS5046 airfoil 12850 by: Justin gussets 12852 by: jim . synergy design Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:53:43 -0500 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Fw: KR> KR2 speeds Message-ID: <000501c27659$f4230d60$77c61b42@socal.rr.com> I am building. I get the plans,wood and glue this weekend. Driving down to the company. Anyone ever done that before? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Justin" Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 12:51 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR2 speeds > Justin, Where do you hail from? Are you buying a finished KR2S or planning > to build? I can send you a photo of mine and one of my first if you are > interested. E mail back - Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:44 PM > Subject: KR> KR2 speeds > > > This KR2 is done very nice. It gets 145mph cruiseing on a rev master 2100 > non-turbo and he extended the airplane by 26" rather than the normal 16". > This airplane is basicly a KR2S before it's S model time. I think my plans > built KR2S will do a good 200 solo? > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~fly/ > Justin > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:39:37 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> KR2 speeds Message-ID: <20021018163937.88248.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com> Dont take this the wrong way Justin but if you are expecting 200 mph with VW power then you are setting yourself up for a huge disappointment. You "might" get 200 mph out of a KR at wife open throttle but only if that throttle is connected to a O-200 or something that makes more than 100hp but weighs less than 300lbs (the engine that is). I am not sure how long you have been involved in aviation but for the most part turbos are used to normalize an aviation engine vs. boosting them to the point of making more than Sea Level HP. It can be done but its not considered normal operation. That being said, when I start another KR it will have a boosted engine of some sort in the front. ;o) --- Justin wrote: > This KR2 is done very nice. It gets 145mph cruiseing > on a rev master 2100 non-turbo and he extended the > airplane by 26" rather than the normal 16". This > airplane is basicly a KR2S before it's S model time. > I think my plans built KR2S will do a good 200 solo? > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~fly/ > Justin > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:56:12 -0500 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Gusset idea"s" Message-ID: <000e01c2765a$4d04f560$77c61b42@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C27630.64168360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know two different gusset designs. I thought I would share my knoelge. = One is the block of wood with a nail and spring in it, I think we have = all seen that. the one I will be using is this, about a 2.5" round = drilled peice of block wood and drilled off center to twist onto the = wood to make ti tighter or looser. Any commets or idea's? Justin ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C27630.64168360-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:23:55 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" Message-Id: <3DB0197B.000001.00320@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_VBL6QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_VBL6LVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_VBL6LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have wondered why, the gusset blocks could not be replaced with a 3/32 plywood triangle placed over the entire joint. I have wondered if that would not actually be stronger than the blocks placed in the joint. I ha= ve always wondered, because both planes were already beyond that stage befor= e I started on them, how anyone could possibly get the piece of wood cut to exactly the right shape to fit perfectly snug at all three contact points= =2E=20 And, if it does not fit perfectly, how could it be as strong as a plywood gusset placed over the joint. Also, would not the plywood gusset be lighter?=0D I know this was discussed once before, but I don't think there ever was a concensus.=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_VBL6LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have wondered why, the gusset blocks could not = be=20 replaced with a 3/32 plywood triangle placed over the entire joint.=  =20 I have wondered if that would not actually be stronger than the blo= cks=20 placed in the joint.  I have always wondered, because both pla= nes=20 were already beyond that stage before I started on them, how anyone= could=20 possibly get the piece of wood cut to exactly the right shape to fi= t=20 perfectly snug at all three contact points.  And, if it does n= ot fit=20 perfectly, how could it be as strong as a plywood gusset placed ove= r the=20 joint.  Also, would not the plywood gusset be lighter?<= /P>

I know this was discussed once before, but I don't think there e= ver was=20 a concensus.

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Da= niel R.=20 Heath

See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org  Clic= k on the=20 Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

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  IncrediMai= l -=20 Email has finally evolved - Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_VBL6LVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_VBL6QL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:48:08 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" Message-ID: <010801c2769c$3a4c2640$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C27672.514B3DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan Heath wrote: >>I have wondered why, the gusset blocks could not be replaced with a = 3/32 plywood triangle placed over the entire joint. I have wondered if = that would not actually be stronger than the blocks placed in the joint. = I have always wondered, because both planes were already beyond that = stage before I started on them, how anyone could possibly get the piece = of wood cut to exactly the right shape to fit perfectly snug at all = three contact points. And, if it does not fit perfectly, how could it = be as strong as a plywood gusset placed over the joint. Also, would not = the plywood gusset be lighter?<< =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dan, Below is something I wrote three years ago, and found in about 10 = seconds on the KRnet archive site: Date: Mar 15, 1999 5:08 AM=20 From: Mark Langford =20 Subject: Re: Plywood gussets=20 Mike Taglieri wrote: >There was a long thread on this a year or so ago, which may be in the >archives (?). I would expect the plywood gussets to be a bit stronger, >if uglier, and using both would be overkill (and overweight). You can build your plane however you see fit. But you should be advised that Tony Bengelis (among others) say that plywood gussets are better = than none at all, but solid Spruce gussets are the best. If KRNet "decided" = that plywood gussets would be a bit stronger, that should tell you something about KRNet...but I don't remember us reaching that conclusion, not if I = had anything to say about it. As far as gussets go, plywood may work as well, but one of the major purposes of spruce gussets is to increase the area of the glue joint = between end grain members (verticals) to longerons. If you've ever tried to = break a joint without the gussets, it's really easy. With spruce gussets you = have three times more area to make that connection, subtantially more than a plywood gusset gives you. Plywood gussets are a bandaid for the lazy. Now adding plywood gussets = over your spruce ones can't hurt (except for weight), and can make a bad = joint better. But on three sides of the boat, you already have a huge plywood gusset in the form of outer skin. Surely you aren't advocating leaving = out the spruce between members? Like I said before, these "gussets" are = mainly for enhancing the quality of the glue joint between end grain wood = (which doesn't glue well) and the member it's attaching too. Mark Langford, Huntsville, ALmailo:langford@hiwaay.netsee KR2S project = N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C27672.514B3DB0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:01:53 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" Message-ID: <003401c2770b$65609810$1c00a8c0@800Athlon> This morning, I wrote: >Dan, Below is something I wrote three years ago, and found in about 10 seconds on the KRnet archive site... I read that later in the day and thought to myself, "that didn't come out quite right". It sounds like 1) I was lecturing Dan for not using the archive search engine, and 2) I was giving him a hard time for wondering about gusset blocks. What I should have said (to take the edge off), and what I was actually thinking when I wrote it was "just to save me from having to think about this and type it all up, I'm going to be lazy and spend 10 seconds and just cut and paste this from an old post and be done with it." The tone of the message (from 1999) is pretty harsh, but you'd have had to have known MikeTnyc to understand why (well, maybe not). But the bottom line is that I wasn't jumping on Dan, or anybody else, although I'm sure it looked that way to many of you, and especially to him. On an entirely different note, I DID give somebody ELSE a hard time (privately) this morning for asking questions that are easily researched either in our archives, or elsewhere. It's all too easy to just blurt out a question on KRnet and wait for a reply, rather than spending a few minutes and trying to educate yourself, yourself! Searching the archive will instantly give you about 10 to 50 posts on a given subject, with differing viewpoints, usually covering all sides of the issue. If, after that, you still feel the need to ask a question, then by all means ask it! Keep in mind that there's nothing wrong with doing a little research yourself, and then educating the REST of us! For those of you who just can't seem to find any information, start at the KRnet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp , the KRnet FAQ at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/faq/ , and the multitude of KR websites at http://www.krnet.org/ , the Bengelis books, sold by the EAA, and the Google Search engine at http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en for just about anything else. I guess I'm just getting crotchety again. It's probably time for another break. Go ahead and ask questions. I'll try not to assail you... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:15:10 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Fw: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" Message-Id: <3DB0EA5E.000007.00320@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_ALQ7WCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_ALQ7RN00000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_ALQ7RN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think you guys got this. FYI... Something to think about.=0D =0D From: Philip Heavirland=0D Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 10:42:55 AM=0D To: Daniel Heath=0D Subject: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s"=0D =0D Hello you guys,I have a set prints for the VP-1.It has plywood gussettes = all over,and can be certified.I never heard of one breaking up.I think it wou= ld save a lot of time.and be lighter.PHeavirland=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: Daniel Heath=0D Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:21 AM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s"=0D =0D I have wondered why, the gusset blocks could not be replaced with a 3/32 plywood triangle placed over the entire joint. I have wondered if that would not actually be stronger than the blocks placed in the joint. I ha= ve always wondered, because both planes were already beyond that stage befor= e I started on them, how anyone could possibly get the piece of wood cut to exactly the right shape to fit perfectly snug at all three contact points= =2E=20 And, if it does not fit perfectly, how could it be as strong as a plywood gusset placed over the joint. Also, would not the plywood gusset be lighter?=0D I know this was discussed once before, but I don't think there ever was a concensus.=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_ALQ7RN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't think you guys got this.  FYI... Something to thi= nk=20 about.
 
From: Philip Heavirland
Date: Friday= , October=20 18, 2002 10:42:55 AM
To: Daniel Heath
Subject: Re:= KR>=20 Gusset idea"s"
 
Hello you guys,I have a set prints for the VP-1.It has plywood= =20 gussettes all over,and can be certified.I never heard of one breaki= ng up.I=20 think it would save a lot of time.and be lighter.PHeavirland
 
----- Original Message ----- = From:=20 Daniel Heath
Sent: Friday, October 18, = 2002 4:21=20 AM
To: krnet@mailinglists.org=
Subject: Re: KR> Gusset= =20 idea"s"
 
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I have wondered why, the gusset blocks co= uld not=20 be replaced with a 3/32 plywood triangle placed over the en= tire=20 joint.  I have wondered if that would not actually be=20 stronger than the blocks placed in the joint.  I have = always=20 wondered, because both planes were already beyond that stag= e=20 before I started on them, how anyone could possibly get the= piece=20 of wood cut to exactly the right shape to fit perfectly snu= g at=20 all three contact points.  And, if it does not fit per= fectly,=20 how could it be as strong as a plywood gusset placed over t= he=20 joint.  Also, would not the plywood gusset be=20 lighter?

I know this was discussed once before, but I don't think= there=20 ever was a concensus.

See ya in Red Oak ---=20 2003,

Daniel R. Heath
<= BR>See=20 our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org&nb= sp; Click=20 on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG
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  IncrediMai= l -=20 Email has finally evolved - Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_ALQ7RN00000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_ALQ7WCW0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:51:53 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: WMartensJr@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" Message-ID: <1a7.a84421f.2ae222c9@aol.com> --part1_1a7.a84421f.2ae222c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/2002 10:12:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, danrh@att.net writes: The use of proper gussets versus plywood gussetting has already been answered but I'd like to address Dan's comments re: difficulty making gussets fit exactly. All I can say is from my personal experience it is really very easy to do and do quickly. I've built three KR2/KR2S fuselages and I gotta tell you it's the most fun part of construction for me. A good floor sander station and some sanding blocks with a bandsaw for initial cutting and it all goes pretty quickly. Just my $.02 Regards, Walt ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Daniel Heath > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:21 AM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" > > I have wondered why, the gusset blocks could not be replaced with a 3/32 > plywood triangle placed over the entire joint. I have wondered if that > would not actually be stronger than the blocks placed in the joint. I have > always wondered, because both planes were already beyond that stage before > I started on them, how anyone could possibly get the piece of wood cut to > exactly the right shape to fit perfectly snug at all three contact points. > And, if it does not fit perfectly, how could it be as strong as a plywood > gusset placed over the joint. Also, would not the plywood gusset be > lighter? > > > > > --part1_1a7.a84421f.2ae222c9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:06:27 -0500 To: "jim wogaman" , "Justin" From: "Geroge Vandor" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: Re: KR> Re: any flying KR2S Message-ID: <003901c27674$e14c19a0$ac7afea9@yourib3g4dzt9h> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim wogaman" To: "Justin" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re: any flying KR2S > Justin: You have an amazing volumes of experience, history, realism at your > fingertip. This network. Just read, listen calculate, and give attention to > conservative limits. A critical evaluation about any engine is, if you make > it too hot and you run too hard if you are going to stress it. It will > malfunction. We used to race Formula V cars, powered by 1960s vintage VW > engines. Those we hopped too high had to be torn down after every race > weekend. We did this to look for stress points and so we would not need to > drop out of the next race. In a KR you are not going to pull off the track. > I suppose talking about the speed you want you are probably expecting to run > a throttle setting that would be hard on the engine and would also make it > consume fuel > your GPH estimate! Read the specs for Van's RV line and lbs > and HP or engine size ratios vs speed. The best plane for speed is the > little single seat model. Less; weight, resistance, related to engine size > etc. As the people say build it light! Do not try to make a VW engine into > Packard RR Merlin. You soup a VW too much you'll spend your free time > rebuilding the engine not flying your plane! jim wogaman > cleo :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin > To: > Sent: October 16, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: Fw: KR> Re: any flying KR2S > > > > The KR2S on the webpage has a TURBO-charged revmaster engine. Is there any > > kits out there that add a supercharger to a VW 2180? > > > > I called the company last week, they still choose to claim 180mph. Is > there > > any PLANS-BUILT KR2 hitting the 180 mark? Evereyone seems to want to > stretch > > the fuselage even more and make ti wider etc.. which will make the > aircraft > > slower without doubt. > > > > 180 solo and 160 gross would be just fine for me. I see alot of people > only > > getting in the 130 range, not ideal. I want to be able to do 140KTS cruise > > burning less than 4GPH. > > > > Justin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phillip Matheson" > > To: "Justin" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:05 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Re: any flying KR2S > > > > > > > Justin, > > > > > > We do have 100hp vw engines, rear gear drives, Turn larger props. Our > web > > > page will help you out. > > > Have a look at our Vw engines, We have a US agent, I 'm and agent in > > > Australia. > > > But our us agent will be able to answer all your questions. > > > > > > All the best > > > Please let me hnow ypur comments > > > > > > > > > www.vw-engines.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil Matheson > > > matheson@dodo.com.au > > > 61 3 58833588 > > > NSW > > > Australia. > > > See our VW engines at; > > > www.vw-engines.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Justin" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 7:19 AM > > > Subject: KR> Re: any flying KR2S > > > > > > > > > > One thing I have noticed. al revmaster KR2's get very bad speed. Most > VW > > > > powered KR2's get about 160. > > > > > > > > My KR2S will be plans built with every speed mod I can think of into > it. > > > The > > > > engine will maybe be a 2180 VW. I wish I could get a 100HP engine in > it. > > > If > > > > my KR2S only cruised at 130mph I would sell it!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Justin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:56 PM > > > > Subject: Re: KR> any flying KR2S > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very few have accomplished this. I cruise at 135 with a 2100 > > Revmaster. > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:23:07 -0500 "Justin" > > > writes: > > > > > > Is anyone with a FLYING KR2S getting 180mph cruising? IF so what > did > > > > > > you do special to it? I would like to get 200 with 2 people and > full > > > > > > fuel, I doubt that I can but I would like to try. > > > > > > > > > > > > Justin > > > > >george from canada=kr1 with raf48 wing on 60hp what can be expected on chruse? if et is 400 to 450 lbs empty w.??? can enibody comet?? thanks geo.. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:24:16 -0500 To: From: "Steve" Subject: Speed of the KR Message-ID: <000001c276db$f568d9c0$291e6344@om.cox.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C276B2.0C92D1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Speed freaks (that is a compliment) =20 Sound like Justin has caught the bug (speed-bug) I am also attempting to build a 200 mph plane. There are always sacrifices when building a plane. The first one is always remember what you are trying to build. If that means going fast then follow the list below. =20 1. build it light =20 2. build it light 3. build it light 4. Think in ounces and sometimes grams 5. If it doesn=92t add to performance(speed), it takes away 6. Have a goal for weight and build to that goal 7. It must be streamline or start subtracting mph =20 If you are building a comfortable plane that=92s roomy, has all the new gadgets and has a beefed up structure just for insurance it won=92t be = as fast. =20 I myself am building as light and as streamline as possible. I widen my KR by 4 inches, this was a trade off, I need to fit my wife and myself. Here is a list of trade offs =20 Select and engine that has good power to weight ratio but always consider reliability Lower your canopy as low as possible. You will reduce your view out but you will be more streamline If it calls out for one layer of glass and you do 2 or 3, start subtracting mph A clean strait surface will give you better airflow. Quality construction makes a big difference A starter adds about 12 lbs think hand proper Sling seats are light Use the new airfoil; it=92s laminar instead of the old turbulent airfoil Don=92t add any unnecessary hatches or openings, more weight Use mahogany plywood, it cost more but is lighter Sand off any epoxy boogers, and cut all fasteners to length, it all adds up =20 There are many type of builder of the KR The Speed freaks (count me in) The Building =96 enjoys the building of the plane as a hobby The Sightseer =96 just want a plane for a Sunday afternoon flight around the country The Gadget man =96 Likes to add everything The Perfectionist =96 it has to be perfect to look at perfectly built The Economist =96 Build as low cost as possible and still have a quality plane The half-ass builder =96 Avoid these people at all cost =20 Just decide what you want and build to it. =20 Steve Lemke Omaha, NE =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C276B2.0C92D1C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:28:00 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: test flight report Message-ID: Billy McFarland (Flymaca711689@aol.com) is one of the folks on this list who is having trouble posting due to being on AOL. He posted the following report on another list, and I'm forwarding it here to help him get it to the rest of the KRNet. I've done some light "editing" to make it more readable too... ======================================= Subject: N1055A So far I have but 130 hrs. Not bad for my first year at the stick of a perf air craft. OK, pros and cons. Did I say you will love it? The only thing that can be a problem is the rudder/vertical stabilizer in crosswind landings. If you chop the power you lose the wash [over the tail] and she will weathervane right now, so it takes time to learn to overcome this, just like the taildraggers have to learn to control airspeed on landing or you balloon. OK that crap about the pitch [sensitivity]? It's just that, so guys and girls- get back to work. I'm going to post some photos of VA State fly in and St. Mary's Maryland fly-in. You can see my airplane under Mark Jones' site or under Bernie Wunder's or go to VA fly-in. Two KRs made it [to the fly-in]. Get um out soon!----------Billy McFarland [forwarded by]- =================================== Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:00:20 -0500 To: "KR-Net" , "CorVaircraft Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Update Message-ID: <002201c276fa$22877740$8e541f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C276D0.396FD260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have updated my web site again with two new pages. One is Canopy and one is Intake & Exhaust. There are also new photos on = the Photo of the Week and several other pages. Thanks for looking. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C276D0.396FD260-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:54:27 -0500 To: From: "Justin" Subject: AS5046 airfoil Message-ID: <000a01c27701$b15b0480$77c61b42@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C276D7.C85BC9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do i find out all the goody information to be granted with this new = airfoil. Picking up plans tommorow. I obvously want to squeeze all I can = speed wise out of my KR2S and this wing seems to be the way to go.=20 http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/airfoil.html Those two KR2's with that new airfoil, could you contact me or someone = give me their old specs VS new ones with the new "wing". Justin ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C276D7.C85BC9A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:34:39 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: gussets Message-ID: <001f01c27720$761bfe00$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C276E5.C85CABA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used spruce blocks(mainly to increase glue area) . I also ADDED = gussets to my spar vert members(about 8 oz worth) My personal opinion = is the ply web (as a gusset) is not as strong. as far as the gusset = "clamps", i think your idea of a 2 1/2 " dia would be too big to get = into some of the tighter corners. Does anyone have any real data on how = much stronger an inside layer of glass will make the structure? I 've = pretty much made up my mind to do it witha 1/2 inch core. Front deck = seems MUCH stronger with inside layer. Thanks, Jim Sporka ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C276E5.C85CABA0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************