From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Oct 2002 03:06:00 -0000 Issue 535 Date: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:07 PM krnet Digest 21 Oct 2002 03:06:00 -0000 Issue 535 Topics (messages 12854 through 12882): Re: Gusset idea"s" 12854 by: DON HINNI Archive Search 12855 by: Daniel Heath Gusset Ideas 12856 by: Leigh Plymale 12857 by: Mark Jones 12871 by: Ross Youngblood 12872 by: Mark Jones Re: IDEAS - In General 12858 by: Daniel Heath 12859 by: Mark Jones Cheese Grater 12860 by: Peg and Mike Meyer Pissing Contests 12861 by: Ronald Freiberger rand robinson company 12862 by: Justin 12863 by: Mark Jones 12864 by: Rick Wilson 12868 by: virgnvs.juno.com 12882 by: Tim Brown KROnline 12865 by: Gary W. Haun 12867 by: virgnvs.juno.com Thinking of purchasing a KR2 12866 by: Darren Pond Revflow carb serial # 1634 12869 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 12881 by: Ronald Freiberger Carb icing 12870 by: Rick Wilson 12877 by: Darren Pond 12879 by: Rick Wilson gussets 12873 by: jim . synergy design 12876 by: norm-ruth ross youngblood causing deforestation? 12874 by: jim . synergy design Virus 12875 by: norm-ruth Post of This Week 12878 by: Daniel Heath Shirley's KR-1 12880 by: ronald j willliams Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 23:44:14 -0500 To: From: "DON HINNI" Subject: Fw: Fw: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" Message-ID: <001201c2772a$2d5b5fd0$3e80da0c@c487283a> Please remove Donald Hinni from the krnet@mailinglist.org mailing list. He was killed along with Larry Kennedy and Larry's pastor in a small plane accident in in Arkansas on October 8. Thank you for your prompt consideration. Maggie kracke ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" > In a message dated 10/18/2002 10:12:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > danrh@att.net writes: > > > The use of proper gussets versus plywood gussetting has already been answered > but I'd like to address Dan's comments re: difficulty making gussets fit > exactly. > > All I can say is from my personal experience it is really very easy to do and > do quickly. I've built three KR2/KR2S fuselages and I gotta tell you it's > the most fun part of construction for me. A good floor sander station and > some sanding blocks with a bandsaw for initial cutting and it all goes pretty > quickly. > > Just my $.02 > > Regards, > Walt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Daniel Heath > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:21 AM > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Gusset idea"s" > > > > I have wondered why, the gusset blocks could not be replaced with a 3/32 > > plywood triangle placed over the entire joint. I have wondered if that > > would not actually be stronger than the blocks placed in the joint. I have > > always wondered, because both planes were already beyond that stage before > > I started on them, how anyone could possibly get the piece of wood cut to > > exactly the right shape to fit perfectly snug at all three contact points. > > And, if it does not fit perfectly, how could it be as strong as a plywood > > gusset placed over the joint. Also, would not the plywood gusset be > > lighter? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 07:41:18 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Archive Search Message-Id: <3DB16F0E.000012.00320@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_USG8DL51VA4000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_VSG88WA1VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_VSG88WA1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just went to the KR Mail ArchiveSearch at http://www.maddyhome com/krsrch/index.jsp, for the first time.=0D =0D It is really cool, and as Mark says, you can find anything in less than 1= 0 seconds. Too bad this cannot be made an initiation requirement for the n= et. It quickly makes several points. =0D =0D First, you can find just about anything.=0D Second, if you don't properly construct your messages on the net, it clog= s up the archives with so much information that it almost becomes useless. = =0D =0D I looked up TRIM. I'll bet that over 70% of what I got back was totally irrevelant.=0D =0D However, this is a good way to get information from persons who have been flamed out or just quit contributing. =0D =0D The bottom line, is that it is a wonderful tool and if you really want to research a subject, you should start there first.=0D =0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_VSG88WA1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just went to the KR Mail ArchiveSearch at http://www.maddyh= ome.com/krsrch/index.jsp,=20 for the first time.
 
It is really cool, and as Mark says, you can find anything in = less=20 than 10 seconds.  Too bad this cannot be made an initiation=20 requirement for the net.  It quickly makes several points.&nbs= p;=20
 
First, you can find just about anything.
Second, if you don't properly construct your messages on the n= et, it=20 clogs up the archives with so much information that it almost becom= es=20 useless. 
 
I looked up TRIM.  I'll bet that over 70% of what I got b= ack was=20 totally irrevelant.
 
However, this is a good way to get information from persons wh= o have=20 been flamed out or just quit contributing. 
 
The bottom line, is that it is a wonderful tool and if you rea= lly=20 want to research a subject, you should start there first.

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Da= niel R.=20 Heath

See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org  Clic= k on the=20 Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

&nb= sp;=20

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  IncrediMai= l -=20 Email has finally evolved - Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_VSG88WA1VA4000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_USG8DL51VA4000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:18:42 -0400 To: From: "Leigh Plymale" Subject: Gusset Ideas Message-ID: <001e01c2777a$6dec18a0$1b853518@chvlva.adelphia.net> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C27758.E664FA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel I agree that the plywood looks easier. I wonder if the kit you = site also has the outer sheeting? The big question is, is it strong = enough? I think that an aeronautical engineer must do a study to = correctly answer this question. Also some mock up destructive analysis = would help. This is one of those subjects that can not be answered = safely without it. No offence but this format seams to thrive on Pissing = Contests from largely unqualified individuals. I believe that Dan and = the other of us that are considering this option need a definitive = answer to the question. Leigh flyboy232@adelphia.net ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C27758.E664FA80-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:39:10 -0500 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Gusset Ideas Message-ID: <001001c2777d$495dda20$8e541f41@wi.rr.com> Well, I must voice my opinion here. WHY ON GODS EARTH would you want to steer away from the original gusset design when there have been thousands of wood airplanes built this way and have proven themselves to aviation that this is the correct way to build. You guys can do what you wish with your plane because it is you that will be flying the plane and hopefully no one will be with you if it decides to come apart. If as much time and effort was dedicated to building, as a lot of us put into our debates, there would be a lot more airplanes flying. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Plymale" To: Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: KR> Gusset Ideas Daniel I agree that the plywood looks easier. I wonder if the kit you site also has the outer sheeting? The big question is, is it strong enough? I think that an aeronautical engineer must do a study to correctly answer this question. Also some mock up destructive analysis would help. This is one of those subjects that can not be answered safely without it. No offence but this format seams to thrive on Pissing Contests from largely unqualified individuals. I believe that Dan and the other of us that are considering this option need a definitive answer to the question. Leigh flyboy232@adelphia.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:17:06 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org, "Mark Jones" From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> Gusset Ideas Message-Id: 10/19/2002 7:39:10 AM, "Mark Jones" wrote: >Well, I must voice my opinion here. WHY ON GODS EARTH would you want to >steer away from the original gusset design when there have been thousands of >wood airplanes built this way and have proven themselves to aviation that >this is the correct way to build. Mark... just a question... how many of the little wooden gussets did you build yourself on you KR? In my estimation it takes 50,000 to 350,000 of the little thingies to get a few good ones with the right angle to fit in each little spot.... The plywood gusset idea is approved by Tony Bengelis, and it would SAVE TIME. Just use the plywood gussets as described by Tonys book, or other acceptable airframe manual. - Ross (30,000 gussets to late). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:53:07 -0500 To: , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Gusset Ideas Message-ID: <002f01c27861$8c4e55a0$8e541f41@wi.rr.com> Don't know...not sure if I can count that high. However, I do know it is done correctly. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Youngblood" To: ; "Mark Jones" Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: Re: KR> Gusset Ideas > 10/19/2002 7:39:10 AM, "Mark Jones" wrote: > > >Well, I must voice my opinion here. WHY ON GODS EARTH would you want to > >steer away from the original gusset design when there have been thousands of > >wood airplanes built this way and have proven themselves to aviation that > >this is the correct way to build. > > Mark... just a question... how many of the little wooden gussets did > you build yourself on you KR? In my estimation it takes 50,000 to > 350,000 of the little thingies to get a few good ones with the > right angle to fit in each little spot.... > > The plywood gusset idea is approved by Tony Bengelis, and it would > SAVE TIME. Just use the plywood gussets as described by Tonys > book, or other acceptable airframe manual. > > - Ross (30,000 gussets to late). > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:43:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: IDEAS - In General Message-Id: <3DB1A7B6.000018.00320@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_QZR8JDU1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_QZR8ENY1VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_QZR8ENY1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE> Leigh: No offence but this format seams to thrive on Pissing Contests from largely unqualified individuals. I believe that Dan and the other of= us that are considering this option need a definitive answer to the question= =2E=0D =0D DAN: I find it difficult to understand why such a simple proposal gets su= ch argumentative responses. I know that trusses are built that way and I thought that it was a thought that was worth presenting, in hopes that th= ere would be civilized discussion. After all, isn't that what the net is for= , the sharing of ideas. =0D I got the idea of using an auto mirror motor for a trim tab servo, from t= he net. I have one and as soon as we turn the plane over, we are going to install it. If you all choose, we will keep the results to ourselves.=20 Afterall, aren't MAC servos the accepted and proven servo to use?=0D Maybe this is why there have been so few posts on the net over the past several weeks.=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_QZR8ENY1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

RE> Leigh: No offence but this format seams to= thrive=20 on Pissing Contests from largely unqualified individuals. I believe= that=20 Dan and the other of us that are considering this option need a def= initive=20 answer to the question.

DAN: I find it difficult to understa= nd why=20 such a simple proposal gets such argumentative responses.  I k= now=20 that trusses are built that way and I thought that it was a thought= that=20 was worth presenting, in hopes that there would be civilized=20 discussion.  After all, isn't that what the net is for, the sh= aring=20 of ideas. 

I got the idea of using an auto mirror motor for a trim tab serv= o, from=20 the net.  I have one and as soon as we turn the plane over, we= are=20 going to install it.  If you all choose, we will keep the resu= lts to=20 ourselves.  Afterall, aren't MAC servos the accepted and prove= n servo=20 to use?

Maybe this is why there have been so few posts on the net over t= he past=20 several weeks.

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Da= niel R.=20 Heath

See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org  Clic= k on the=20 Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

&nb= sp;=20

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  IncrediMai= l -=20 Email has finally evolved - Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_QZR8ENY1VA4000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_QZR8JDU1VA4000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:58:21 -0500 To: "Daniel Heath" , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Re: IDEAS - In General Message-ID: <003001c27790$c1294ae0$8e541f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C27766.D817C080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Guys, I am sorry for the post I made this morning on the gusset issue. I do = know I have a delete button and have worn it out lately. You guys are = correct in using the net for issues such as these but as others have = pointed out...please use the archive search engine first and if = satisfactory information is not found, let us know and start asking = away.=20 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel Heath=20 To: krnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: KR> Re: IDEAS - In General RE> Leigh: No offence but this format seams to thrive on Pissing = Contests from largely unqualified individuals. I believe that Dan and = the other of us that are considering this option need a definitive = answer to the question. DAN: I find it difficult to understand why such a simple = proposal gets such argumentative responses. I know that trusses are = built that way and I thought that it was a thought that was worth = presenting, in hopes that there would be civilized discussion. After = all, isn't that what the net is for, the sharing of ideas. =20 I got the idea of using an auto mirror motor for a trim tab = servo, from the net. I have one and as soon as we turn the plane over, = we are going to install it. If you all choose, we will keep the results = to ourselves. Afterall, aren't MAC servos the accepted and proven servo = to use? Maybe this is why there have been so few posts on the net over = the past several weeks. See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic. See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG =20 =20 =20 =20 ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C27766.D817C080-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:25:03 -0500 To: kr From: Peg and Mike Meyer Subject: Cheese Grater Message-id: <003b01c27794$76990480$e8ccfea9@o0c8u6> --Boundary_(ID_SmNm8cTIFWq1a6EelyKM3g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I discovered (or rediscovered) an interesting little trick you can perform with Aeropoxy Light - if you monitor the setup time and wait until it's in the "quasi-sticky" stage, you can use a cheese grater (i.e., shurform planer, etc) and shape it in much the same fashion as you would Bondo. Timing is everything in this procuredure, too soon and it's a gummy mess, too late and it's futile. Judging from my results, it took about three hours to acheive the ready-to-carve state. Saved me a lot of sanding time... For all the builders in the DFW area, bronze sintered bearings can be had at Purvis Bearing in Fort Worth and Motion Enterprises in Fort Worth. And by the way Dan Heath, please don't keep your results to yourself. You guys got a great website - keep it going. Mike Meyer --Boundary_(ID_SmNm8cTIFWq1a6EelyKM3g)-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:50:23 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "Ronald Freiberger" Subject: Pissing Contests Message-ID: I enjoy them very much. As my friend said," If you can find a sore spot, pick at it". I think really curt answers and dumb questions are the "Joy of the Net". Please keep 'em coming. I see no point in a searchable index when I can just pop 'em up here and then watch. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:18:49 -0500 To: From: "Justin" Subject: rand robinson company Message-ID: <000801c27793$9763e780$77c61b42@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C27769.AE53E3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This seems to be an "at home" type of company. For starters a bad = website, NO e-mail adress yet having a website? Something should be = fixed there. A phone # that everytime you call flawless on day or time = will get the awnsering machine. A address at whcih is actually a post = office PO box. Drove and hour to find that out! Any idea's to GET KR2S plans fast? Justin ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C27769.AE53E3C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:46:07 -0500 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> rand robinson company Message-ID: <004e01c277a8$2adc7fe0$8e541f41@wi.rr.com> Justin, You are learning fast....don't give up though....this is a very nice plane!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: KR> rand robinson company This seems to be an "at home" type of company. For starters a bad website, NO e-mail adress yet having a website? Something should be fixed there. A phone # that everytime you call flawless on day or time will get the awnsering machine. A address at whcih is actually a post office PO box. Drove and hour to find that out! Any idea's to GET KR2S plans fast? Justin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:00:37 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Rand Robinson Company Message-ID: <20021019200037.11903.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> Justin, Rand Robinson is not an aircraft company that stocks parts and such. When you order plans they are sent to you from Rand Robinson. As far as kit components go, I'm sure they are sent from other locations such as Aircraft Spruce, Wickes, etc. I don't know who supplies them with premolded parts or hardware, but these too are most likely shipped from the place they are made. If you order a kit from Rand Robinson it will most likely be gathered together into a kit and then shipped to you from the supplier. This is the way most kit airplane companies operate to my understanding. Keep on dreaming and it will happen. Good luck, Rick Wilson.......rwdw2002@yahoo.com KR2 ready to start testing. 0200 powered. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:19:16 -0400 To: flykr2s@wi.rr.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> rand robinson company Message-ID: <20021019.213019.-431629.0.virgnvs@juno.com> They are not there on Fridays and will return phone calls in time. Grandma Syndrome is in effect. Make sure they are there before you go!! Virg On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:46:07 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > Justin, > You are learning fast....don't give up though....this is a very > nice > plane!!! > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:18 PM > Subject: KR> rand robinson company > > > This seems to be an "at home" type of company. For starters a bad > website, > NO e-mail adress yet having a website? Something should be fixed > there. A > phone # that everytime you call flawless on day or time will get > the > awnsering machine. A address at whcih is actually a post office PO > box. > Drove and hour to find that out! > > Any idea's to GET KR2S plans fast? > > Justin > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:07:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Rick Wilson , KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Tim Brown Subject: Re: KR> Rand Robinson Company Message-ID: <20021021030709.98818.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, this is wrong. I have been to Jeanette"s several times and the garage is packed with nuts, bolts, wheels, pre-molded parts (canopies, turtle deck, fuel tank etc) as well as most everything else. She does not carry the spruce, ply foam or glass stuff. I have called many times and talked to a live person about half the time. When I have left a message (ie: I will be by next week on Wednesday if that works for you) I have received a call back usually the next day. When I purchased the plans, she was there to get me everything I needed to get started and got me the location of Aircraft Spruce and how to contact Dan Diehl, the Newsletter and this net. Anyway.....keep on trying. Tim --- Rick Wilson <rwdw2002@yahoo.com> wrote: > Justin, Rand Robinson is not an aircraft > company that > stocks parts and such. When you order plans > they are > sent to you from Rand Robinson. As far as kit > components go, I'm sure they are sent from > other > locations such as Aircraft Spruce, Wickes, etc. > I > don't know who supplies them with premolded > parts or > hardware, but these too are most likely shipped > from > the place they are made. If you order a kit > from Rand > Robinson it will most likely be gathered > together into > a kit and then shipped to you from the > supplier. This > is the way most kit airplane companies operate > to my > understanding. Keep on dreaming and it will > happen. > Good luck, Rick > Wilson.......rwdw2002@yahoo.com > KR2 ready to start testing. 0200 powered. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web > site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:09:30 -0500 To: From: "Gary W. Haun" Subject: KROnline Message-ID: <000001c277ab$70fda820$c78cde0c@haun4> ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C27781.882A1120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have a copy of the layout drawing from an article in the September 1996 issue of KROnline by Mark Lougheed titled Building A Straight KR Fuselage-Part1? The drawing was listed as figure #1 in the article. I=92ve downloaded and reviewed the remaining KROnline articles and found no further reference to that article or parts 2 and 3. No references exist in newsletters 1-87 and as I=92m now digging thru all = the available KRNet archives I=92m coming up dry concerning anything more substantial than vague references to the procedure. I can figure out the some of the diagonals true lengths but the KR-1 plans suck. Many dimensions are not given. One well drawn and dimensioned front view of the forward bulkhead exists on KR-1 drawing no.3 but no other frontal views exist at any fuselage position. Of the 11 fuselage top cross pieces the lengths are given for only 4. Of the 12 fuselage bottom cross pieces the lengths are given for only 5. It=92s probably safe to say = that the dimensioned pieces determine the shape when the sides are brought together and twisted at the front. Now, for the fuselage vertical side members. There are 13, only 5 lengths are listed not counting the 9=93 dimension given at the =93vert stab spar=94. I think I better get = started on a =BC scale model. No wonder that even if built exactly to plans no two KR=92s would be exactly alike. By the way, 80% of the fuselage profile = is behind the CG mark, 20% forwards of it. I=92m going to add two 12 =BC=94 = bays behind the cockpit and one 9=94 bay forwards. Why you ask, many small = fast aircraft I=92ve researched have a nearly equal WS to length ratio and = I=92ve found a 110 HP Corvair that was running when pulled from a donor car. No electrics, hand prop, aluminum cylinders with Nicosil (sp?) coating, I think I can keep weight within reason. =20 =20 Gary W. Haun KR-1 #5985=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C27781.882A1120-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:23:43 -0400 To: g.haun@insightbb.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KROnline Message-ID: <20021019.213019.-431629.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Gary, when you start building all will fall into place. It works out. Why taper the fus ?? Right angles save a LOT of time putting the sides together. (taper top to bottom ), Virg On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:09:30 -0500 "Gary W. Haun" writes: > Does anyone have a copy of the layout drawing from an article in > the > September 1996 issue of KROnline by Mark Lougheed titled Building A > Straight KR Fuselage-Part1? The drawing was listed as figure #1 in > the > article. I’ve downloaded and reviewed the remaining KROnline > articles > and found no further reference to that article or parts 2 and 3. No > references exist in newsletters 1-87 and as I’m now digging thru all > the > available KRNet archives I’m coming up dry concerning anything more > substantial than vague references to the procedure. I can figure out > the > some of the diagonals true lengths but the KR-1 plans suck. Many > dimensions are not given. One well drawn and dimensioned front view > of > the forward bulkhead exists on KR-1 drawing no.3 but no other > frontal > views exist at any fuselage position. Of the 11 fuselage top cross > pieces the lengths are given for only 4. Of the 12 fuselage bottom > cross > pieces the lengths are given for only 5. It’s probably safe to say > that > the dimensioned pieces determine the shape when the sides are > brought > together and twisted at the front. Now, for the fuselage vertical > side > members. There are 13, only 5 lengths are listed not counting the > 9“ > dimension given at the “vert stab spar”. I think I better get > started on > a ¼ scale model. No wonder that even if built exactly to plans no > two > KR’s would be exactly alike. By the way, 80% of the fuselage profile > is > behind the CG mark, 20% forwards of it. I’m going to add two 12 ¼” > bays > behind the cockpit and one 9” bay forwards. Why you ask, many small > fast > aircraft I’ve researched have a nearly equal WS to length ratio and > I’ve > found a 110 HP Corvair that was running when pulled from a donor > car. No > electrics, hand prop, aluminum cylinders with Nicosil (sp?) coating, > I > think I can keep weight within reason. > > > > Gary W. Haun > > KR-1 #5985 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:37:47 -0400 To: From: "Darren Pond" Subject: Thinking of purchasing a KR2 Message-ID: HI Guys Well I just came across a KR2 that was flying about 5 years ago. The story goes that the owner an avid builder just had too many aircraft and let this bird go. The next owner a keener with out much building experience moved it to his garage with the intent of rebuilding the oil burning 18??cc VW and doing some TLC work. It has the original retract gear with drum cable brakes. He is asking $3000 Canadian My dream KR PondHopper is still mostly a dream so I'm considering this to hold me over. From my KRnet search most KR's appear to sell/trade owners for 5-7k US. So I'm thinking I should beable to find an owner when I finish my dream craft have that problem or too many aircraft in the hanger (what a problem!!) How much time and money should I budget for rebuilding the 18??cc VW? How do you inspect and judge workmanship on the fibreglass wings? Presently painted Red (not the best colour for long life) How can I judge weather the standard retract gear is safe and useable or Should it be changed to a fixed gear before I consider flying it? I hate distract myself from building the dream plan but I'll bet it's easier to build when you have a flying one to go play with! I should have my Taylor mono plane Flying by January but a two seater opens up the flying family time allot more often. Any feed back appreciated Darren Pond CF-VML Taylor Mono plane almost flying. PondHopper 2 place 2.2 turbo (building stage) Cambridge Ont Canada pond27@rogers.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:07:11 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Revflow carb serial # 1634 Message-ID: <20021020.120713.-304311.0.klw1953@juno.com> This morning I was forced to make a dead stick landing at Deck Airport here in Pa. The reason for this was that on down wind when I pulled the power back it only dropped to 2500 rpm's, therefore when I had the runway made I pulled the mixture control all the way out and shut the motor down. Does anyone know how susceptible these carbs are to icing, I never had to use carb heat in the past and I was told that icing isn't a problem with this design. What happened was the guillotine apparently bound up ( due to icing )and the spring that connects it to the cam assembly kinked. Once on the ground the carb went back to idle, but 300 rpm's higher than normal, and this was due to the kinked spring. I will speak to Joe at Revmaster on Monday as well. It was 45 degrees this morning. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:35:35 -0400 To: , "Kenneth L Wiltrout" From: "Ronald Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Revflow carb serial # 1634 Message-ID: Ken said, " This morning I was forced to make a dead stick landing at Deck Airport." 45 degrees is the perfect temperature for icing. The Ellison website has lots of info to tell you you need carburetor heat. They'll even loan you a video to see more. I've only ever needed carb heat once that I know about in several hundred hours of flying. When I did need it, I was glad I had it. ;-) Ron Freiberger...EAA Tech Counselor #4125 mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:00:09 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Carb icing Message-ID: <20021020170009.65795.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, ANY carbueretor is subject to icing under the right conditions. I've heard that slide carbs are not susceptable to icing, but I for one would not bet my life on it. Just my 2 cents worth, Rick Wilson. KR2-0200, ready to start testing......rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:44:16 -0400 To: "Rick Wilson" , From: "Darren Pond" Subject: RE: KR> Carb icing Message-ID: Are US homebuilt's required to have carb heat capability? Canadian ones must have this. Darren Pond CF-VML Taylor Mono plane almost flying. PondHopper 2 place 2.2 turbo (building stage) Cambridge Ont Canada pond27@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Wilson [mailto:rwdw2002@yahoo.com] Sent: October 20, 2002 1:00 PM To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG Subject: KR> Carb icing Hi, ANY carbueretor is subject to icing under the right conditions. I've heard that slide carbs are not susceptable to icing, but I for one would not bet my life on it. Just my 2 cents worth, Rick Wilson. KR2-0200, ready to start testing......rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:28:38 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: Carb icing Message-ID: <20021020222838.24343.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know if carb heat is a requirement for airworthiness certification, but it is one of my personal requirements on anything I will be riding in if it has a carbeuretor. Rick Wilson..... rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:20:34 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: gussets Message-ID: <001001c2786d$c4da3b80$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C27833.17335320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought a 12" disc sander at Harbor Freight for about$ 100.00. I was = able to get perfect fits (i.e. when assembling my fuselage sides, the = blocks would stay in place with NO glue,) Why dosen't someone make a = sample of each method and test to failure? This is my method for doing = the gussets.... 1. Measure angles with an adjustable protractor. 2. = using a chop saw(make sure blade is set square all around) rough cut the = pieces to size(some will fit right the first try). 3. the ones that need = to be "adjusted" are lightly touched to the sanding disc(also making = sure table is square to disc) . I had both fuselage sides on table at = same time, and it took about 4 hours to fit ALL the blocks. Hope this = helps, Jim Sporka ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C27833.17335320-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:34:00 -0700 To: "krnet" From: "norm-ruth" Subject: Gussets Message-ID: <021d01c27891$31c6d320$6c1ed03f@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C27856.7E9045A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used a sanding disk in my table saw and made the gussets with a = perfect fit in no time at all. Actually, I used the permanent type of disk from Sears Norm Seel norm-ruth@prodigy.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C27856.7E9045A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:29:09 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: ross youngblood causing deforestation? Message-ID: <001f01c2786e$f781a680$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C27834.49F63560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know its not friday... Geeeez Ross, 50,000 to 350,000 gusset blocks? = How many trees is that? :) =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C27834.49F63560-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:21:17 -0700 To: "Zorian. Sandra" , "William Wynne" , "Vandy & Dot Hughes" , "Susan Stahler" , "Susan Delaney" , "Steve Seel" , "Steve Seel" , "Sarah Harris" , "Sandy Herrington" , "Sandra Selembo" , "Ruth Seel" , "Rowena" , "Robert Paris" , "Rhonda Martin" , "Rad Davis" , "Norman Seel" , "Norm Seel" , "Michael Sip" , "Merlin Seel" , "Matt Grady" , "Len & Dee" , "krnet" , "Kathy Douglas" , "Jill P. Elems" , "Jeff Bloom" , "James Grady" , "Jack & Louise Key" , "Grady IBM" , "Corvaircraft" , "Bob & Jean Carby" , "Alicia" From: "norm-ruth" Subject: Virus Message-ID: <020301c2788f$6f551aa0$6c1ed03f@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0200_01C27854.B7A19080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everyone- I contacted a virus that sent messages to everyone in my mailbox. = Others have had the same experience. Viruses are named 1-Worm/Klez.H = and JS/Kak@M. Messages have attachments but with no messages. The most = dangerout seem to be the ones thtat have "Allhallowmas" as subject. DO = NOT OPEN. Delete immediately. I finally got my files cleaned up (I = hope) with AVG anti-Virus system. Norm Seel norm-ruth@prodigy.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0200_01C27854.B7A19080-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:17:27 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Post of This Week Message-Id: <3DB355A7.000039.00320@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_3X4BY3L3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_3X4BTDQ3LVC000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_3X4BTDQ3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know, you want to see something other than a windshield. Well, sorry, = but that is all I have to show for this week. We are now almost finished. T= his one is basically the real thing. I will trim it for fit tomorrow and if = it fits as perfectly as I think it will, I am going to cover it with protect= ive coating, inside and out, and put it on the shelf.=0D =0D Then we will cook the real one. Unless there are any surprises, we shoul= d be ready to seal the deal next week end.=0D =0D You can see the latest at the KR-Builder link below, remember to Click on the Pic.=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_3X4BTDQ3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know, you want to see something other than a windshield.&nbs= p;=20 Well, sorry, but that is all I have to show for this week.  We= are=20 now almost finished.  This one is basically the real thing.&nb= sp; I=20 will trim it for fit tomorrow and if it fits as perfectly as I thin= k it=20 will, I am going to cover it with protective coating, inside and ou= t, and=20 put it on the shelf.
 
Then we will cook the real one.  Unless there are any sur= prises,=20 we should be ready to seal the deal next week end.
 
You can see the latest at the KR-Builder link below, remember = to=20 Click on the Pic.

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Da= niel R.=20 Heath

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  IncrediMai= l -=20 Email has finally evolved - Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_3X4BTDQ3LVC000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_3X4BY3L3LVC000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:38:49 -0400 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: ronald j willliams Subject: Shirley's KR-1 Message-ID: <3DB33E89.FCBB5778@bellsouth.net> Richard Shirley's KR-1 looks great,does anybody know what mods he's done to the KR-1? It looks looks longer with a different wing. What size engine does he have in it? Any information would help. Thanks Jim Williams ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************