From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 30 Oct 2002 11:21:22 -0000 Issue 541 Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:23 AM krnet Digest 30 Oct 2002 11:21:22 -0000 Issue 541 Topics (messages 12986 through 13002): Re: Argentina KR2 12986 by: Steven Eberhart 12987 by: Scott Stanton 12988 by: Mark Langford 12993 by: Consejo Kr wing washout 12989 by: Phillip Matheson 12995 by: KRJerry Re: pictures 12990 by: Edwin Blocher Translation 12991 by: Ronevogt.aol.com Argentine KR 12992 by: Oscar Zuniga Friends in oyher countries. 12994 by: Mark Jones 12996 by: jim wogaman Sorry 12997 by: Phillip Matheson Non-KRNet member seeking help... 12998 by: BSHADR 'Home Made' Foam 12999 by: Peter Johnson Further to the 'Home Made' Foam Idea 13000 by: Peter Johnson Bench and plans KR2S 13001 by: Justin Re: 4 Seater Glasair - for Ross 13002 by: Hennie.van.Rooyen.honeywell.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:45:37 -0600 To: krnet From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> Argentina KR2 Message-ID: <3DBEF371.3030307@newtech.com> I am using Netscape 6.2.3. This version, at least, can translate web pages for you. Click on View, then click Translate from the top menu. You then paste the URL of the web page into the window and select the language translation you want. The resulting translation wouldn't get a very good grade in high school Spanish class but you can easily understand the meaning. I don't have a clue if Microsoft put a translator in their browser. They are usually too busy designing in bugs to spend too much time designing in useful features :-) (couldn't resist) Steve Eberhart RV-7A, working on wings just like Dana N14SE reserved ROBERT COOPER wrote: > I'm with you on this Mark. I also wish I could read Spanish. Very interesting kr. > Jack Cooper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Jones > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:24 PM > To: KR-Net > Subject: KR> Argentina KR2 > > This KR2 looks to be an incredible machine. The fuselage looks to be made similar to the one Dr. Dean constructed. The workmanship, from the photos looks immaculate. The canopy is incredibly ingenious!!! > I just wish I could read Spanish fluently enough to understand all that is in this web site. You guys have got to see this site. > www.kr2-egb.com.ar > The following is the contents of the e-mail sent to me from Eduardo Barros...can someone translate this for me? > > Estimado amigo > > Como creo que Ud. esta realizando un exelente trabajo, me permiti agregar un link a su pagina, en mi web. > > Saludos > Eduardo Barros > > San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:47:09 -0800 (PST) To: ROBERT COOPER , Mark JONES , krnet From: Scott Stanton Subject: Re: KR> Argentina KR2 Message-ID: <20021029204709.42481.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Guys, I tried http://babelfish.altavista.com and punched www.kr2-egb.com.ar in the place for the url (in the box after the http:). Pick spanish to english in the drop down box next to it and let it translate the pages for you. You can even follow links and it will continue the translation. It does a pretty good job but you have to use some creativity in its translation. For example it has controls as commandos, but in context you can figure it out. Enjoy, Scott Stanton Raleigh NC --- ROBERT COOPER wrote: > I'm with you on this Mark. I also wish I could read > Spanish. Very interesting kr. > Jack Cooper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Jones > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:24 PM > To: KR-Net > Subject: KR> Argentina KR2 > > This KR2 looks to be an incredible machine. The > fuselage looks to be made similar to the one Dr. > Dean constructed. The workmanship, from the photos > looks immaculate. The canopy is incredibly > ingenious!!! > I just wish I could read Spanish fluently enough to > understand all that is in this web site. You guys > have got to see this site. > www.kr2-egb.com.ar > The following is the contents of the e-mail sent to > me from Eduardo Barros...can someone translate this > for me? > > Estimado amigo > > Como creo que Ud. esta realizando un exelente > trabajo, me permiti agregar un link a su pagina, en > mi web. > > Saludos > Eduardo Barros > > San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > ===== -- Scott Stanton Raleigh, NC __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:56:57 -0600 To: "krnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Argentina KR2 Message-ID: <000a01c27f8d$b8401940$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> I put a bunch of other photos of Eduardo's plane out on the web in March. They're at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ebarros/ Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailo:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:41:10 -0300 To: "KR-Net" From: "Consejo" Subject: RE: KR> Argentina KR2 Message-ID: <003201c27f9c$7fca8640$5fbffea9@Ral> ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C27F83.21B134A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark My english is bad but I think you can understand me: Apreciated friend Because I think are you making an excelent work, I permit me put a link = to your web page in the mine. Greetings Eduardo Barros San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina Ra=FAl Quiroga C=F3rdoba - Argentina ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Jones To: KR-Net Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: KR> Argentina KR2 This KR2 looks to be an incredible machine. The fuselage looks to be = made similar to the one Dr. Dean constructed. The workmanship, from the = photos looks immaculate. The canopy is incredibly ingenious!!! I just wish I could read Spanish fluently enough to understand all that = is in this web site. You guys have got to see this site. www.kr2-egb.com.ar The following is the contents of the e-mail sent to me from Eduardo = Barros...can someone translate this for me? Estimado amigo Como creo que Ud. esta realizando un exelente trabajo, me permiti = agregar un link a su pagina, en mi web. Saludos Eduardo Barros =20 San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C27F83.21B134A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:14:45 +1100 To: "KR Net Listings" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Kr wing washout Message-ID: <008401c27f90$35b3f700$0396dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C27FEC.67E58660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to check the was out in my half made( by someone else) = moulded Dan Diehl Wing Skins. The instructions came from the Dan Diehl site, but seem unclear. The rib at the end of the spar has a level line ( this seems to be = wrong) You level the centre ribs on the cord line?, then level the = outer rib level line to give 3dec wash out. Can someone how has fitted the Diehl kit help me please. My concern is checking that the level line on the outer rib is in the = correct position. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at:=20 http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C27FEC.67E58660-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:44:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) To: From: "KRJerry" Subject: Re: KR> Kr wing washout Message-Id: <3DBF3989.000003.01160@jerrymahurin-1> --------------Boundary-00=_H6URG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_I6URBHK0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_I6URBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phil,=0D =0D If you level both lines, all is well...... At least it was when I build = my wings. You should end up with the trailing up a little at the tip.... Th= at is washout..... =0D =0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC =0D See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Phillip Matheson=0D Date: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 04:08:08 PM=0D To: KR Net Listings=0D Subject: KR> Kr wing washout=0D =0D I'm trying to check the was out in my half made( by someone else) moulded Dan Diehl Wing Skins.=0D =0D The instructions came from the Dan Diehl site,=0D but seem unclear.=0D The rib at the end of the spar has a level line ( this seems to be wrong) You level the centre ribs on the cord line?, then level the outer rib lev= el line to give 3dec wash out.=0D =0D Can someone how has fitted the Diehl kit help me please.=0D =0D My concern is checking that the level line on the outer rib is in the correct position.=0D =0D Phil Matheson=0D matheson@dodo.com.au=0D 61 3 58833588=0D See our engines at: =0D http://www.vw-engines.com/ --------------Boundary-00=_I6URBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Phil,
 
If you level both lines, all is well......  At least it was whe= n I build my wings.  You should end up with the trailing up a little= at the tip.... That is washout..... 
 
Jerry Mahurin
Lugoff, SC
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, Oct= ober 29, 2002 04:08:08 PM
Subject: KR> Kr= wing washout
 
I'm trying to check the was out in my half made( by some= one else) moulded Dan Diehl Wing Skins.

The instructions came from= the Dan Diehl site,
but seem unclear.
The rib at the end of the sp= ar has a level line ( this seems to be wrong) You level the centre ribs o= n the cord line?, then level the outer rib level line to give 3dec wash o= ut.

Can someone how has fitted the Diehl kit help me please.
My concern is checking that the level line on the outer rib is in the c= orrect position.

Phil Matheson
matheson@dodo.com.au
61 3 58833588
See our engines at: =
http://www.vw-engines.com/=


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3D""  Incred= iMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_I6URBHK0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_H6URG6G0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:29:34 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Fw: pictures Message-ID: <000f01c27f92$4711d920$0201a8c0@computer> This was just sent to me by Todd (Todds Canopys). Who's going to be first? ED ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:23 PM Subject: pictures > Ed, > > Here is what I'll do for a KR2S builder that buys a canopy from me: > > The first builder to send me high quality 35mm pictures of thier aircraft > with the canopy installed and a few close up, air to air photos of the same > aircraft will get thier money refunded. > > Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:58:25 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Translation Message-ID: <5a.141db6bb.2af05e81@aol.com> --part1_5a.141db6bb.2af05e81_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rather than jump through hoops, let me settle the issue right now. Translation: "Dear Friend; I thank that you did excelent work. Please allow me to add a link to your page on my website". You are welcome; Ron Vogt --part1_5a.141db6bb.2af05e81_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:34:08 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Argentine KR Message-ID: Mark J. wrote: >I just wish I could read Spanish fluently enough to understand all >that is in this web site. Well, I'd be happy to translate what I can, but there's quite a bit there. If it's worthwhile, I'll give it a shot. And whatever you do, don't believe the online translation deals. I tried one on a recipe in Spanish, and it came out sounding like a bad joke. But for the email to you from Eduardo, here's what it says (more or less): >Estimado amigo [Esteemed friend] >Como creo que Ud. esta realizando un exelente trabajo [Since I believe you're doing an outstanding job] >me permiti agregar un link a su pagina, en mi web. [I took the liberty of adding a link to your page on my own site] >Saludos [Greetings] >Eduardo Barros >San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina =================================== Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:10:11 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Friends in oyher countries. Message-ID: <004a01c27fb1$18ba59c0$8e541f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C27F7E.CDEF15C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I never realized we had so many friends in far away countries until I = asked for a translation of Eduardo Barros' e-mail to me. I have received = many replies from around the world with their translation. This KR = family we are part of is a very unique group of people. All of who have = something to offer a fellow builder or flyer. The language converters = some have offered are a wonderful tool to be able to communicate with = our foreign builders. I wish more builders from around the world would = speak up to our group and tell us how there projects are progressing. = Like I said, everyone has something to offer, so please speak up and = tell the world what you are doing so others can learn from you. Thank = you KR family for helping me build my plane! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C27F7E.CDEF15C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:49:14 -0500 To: "mark jones" , "hennie van `rooyan" From: "jim wogaman" Subject: Re: KR> Friends in oyher countries. Message-ID: <001401c27fb6$8e82afe0$81c429d1@jeannielobell> Mr. Jones: You said it very well and Happy Halloween. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones To: KR-Net Sent: October 29, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: KR> Friends in oyher countries. Hello All, I never realized we had so many friends in far away countries until I asked for a translation of Eduardo Barros' e-mail to me. I have received many replies from around the world with their translation. This KR family we are part of is a very unique group of people. All of who have something to offer a fellow builder or flyer. The language converters some have offered are a wonderful tool to be able to communicate with our foreign builders. I wish more builders from around the world would speak up to our group and tell us how there projects are progressing. Like I said, everyone has something to offer, so please speak up and tell the world what you are doing so others can learn from you. Thank you KR family for helping me build my plane! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:53:56 +1100 To: "krnet listing" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Sorry Message-ID: <001a01c27fc7$fd657760$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C28024.2C5151A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry , my last Post was not ment to go to the kr list. I'm not sure what I didi, dut I ment to delete it. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C28024.2C5151A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:46:13 -0800 To: From: "BSHADR" Subject: Non-KRNet member seeking help... Message-ID: <001601c27fcf$466c3690$e2e57e18@RMS> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C27F8C.3825DE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks: This came from one of the 6 KR builders in the world not on KRNet. Go = figure. Respond to him direct if you can help and not to me... <> Randy "NetMom" Stein Confidence: "That quality which permits an individual to do crossword = puzzles with a pen" =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C27F8C.3825DE30-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:11:49 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: 'Home Made' Foam Message-ID: <005f01c27fec$17bf0800$1309eccf@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C27FA8.F10587E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's something I tried that may be of help to someone. I built a plug on top of my boat that was shaped to provide a = turtledeck, canopy, and foredeck shape that approximates a Lancair. The = plug was built up of foam, rough sanded to shape, then surfaced and = finished with drywall mud (it's almost impossible to sand foam into a = streamline shape by hand and using a flexible sanding batten, it's just = too soft). The finished drywall mud surface was painted to allow clear packaging = tape to adhere to it. The tape was applied neatly and acted as a = release agent for two layers of 6-oz bi cloth and epoxy that were layed = up over the plug. Once the cloth 'skin' was cured, I cut it at the turtledeck/canopy = juncture and lifted the turtledeck skin off. I then routered channels = into the plug that were 2" wide and 1/2" deep, and blue foam was cut, = shaped, and hotmelted to the turtledeck skin inway of the routerings. = Wetted out cloth cut on the bias was layed over the blue foam on the = skin, allowed to setup some, and the skin was replaced on the plug. The = skin was pressed against the turtledeck plug to ensure contact and then = taped tightly down to the fuse. Plastic food wrap had been stretched = over the routering before the skin was layed in place. After a wee bit of prying, off popped a perflectly shaped turtledeck = skin that was neatly braced. The turtledeck plug was removed off the = boat (I could see inside the fuse again!). The end result is something = that looks very similar to Don Rieds turtledeck structure. The = turtledeck has been off and on now numerous times.=20 Bracing the skin inway of the canopy/windshield framing proved to be a = bit more demanding in its buildup. After laying out a nice = canopy/windshield arrangement (I'm going to two gullwings), I needed = something that I could easily form to the shape of the framing and be = structural enough to allow me to continue to build up on it. I routered out 1/4" deep channels in the plug inway of the = canopy/windshield framing and cut 1/4" thick soft cushion foam to match = the routerings. The outline of the routering was traced onto the skin, = and the skin removed and braced up some (it had all the structural = rigidity of an old manila folder). The inside of the skin was sanded in = way of the routering/future canopy framing and coated with epoxy that = was rolled on. The cut cushion foam was then layed on the inside of the = skin and epoxy was rolled onto/through it enough to soak it and stick it = to the wet epoxy already applied to the skin. The whole thing was then = allowed to setup for awhile, and the skin was then carefully picked up = so as to prevent it from flopping about (a two man job), and accurately = placed back on the plug. Plastic food wrap had previously been = stretched over the routerings in the plug. The = canopy/windshield/foredeck skin was then taped down tight to the fuse = and matched and taped to the turtledeck, and the skin was pressed into = the foam to ensure contact. This was done Sunday afternoon. Tonight, I gently lifted the skin off the plug. Though not 'really' = rigid, the shape of the canopy/windshield skin was stiff enough that I = could leave it standing on end leaning against the work bench. The plug = was removed from the fuse, the skin replaced, and tonight, for the first = time in about a year, I could see an airplane again instead of a = pain-in-the-axx drywall project! The next steps will be to sand the cured foam smooth lightly so as to = provide a proper surface to bond to again, cover the foam and overlap = the skin about 1" with cloth, and continue to build up the canopy = framing. I know that once two layers of cloth are applied over the foam = the resulting structure will be stiff enough for me continue building up = the framework in whatever manner I chose. Now that I can access the = inside of the canopy/windshield structure, I can use urethane foam = sanded to shape and clothed, or wood laminations, or prepeg. I couldn't = use any of these methods before because I wasn't able to shape anything = to properly fit the inside of the skin that had already been layed up = over the plug. Is this a good idea? No, not in view of cost or weight, we used 2 cc of = mixed resin per square inch of foam. It is a good idea though if you = need a form-in-place structural shape. I hope this 'home made foam' idea may be of help to someone. If anyone = has any questions, please email me. Peter Johnson KR-2Sexy=20 Kenora, Ontario mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C27FA8.F10587E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:19:18 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Further to the 'Home Made' Foam Idea Message-ID: <007601c27fed$0e00b7e0$1309eccf@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C27FA9.FCB02CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was interupted before I could finish the previous email (we still have = bears wandering around here). Oncethe canopy/windshield skin is braced, I'll cut the skin out in way = of the acrylic windshield/gullwing door. The old plug will be cut to = provide a male form to form the acrylic over. The molded acrylic will = then be placed in the framework and glassed in as per the usual process. = =20 (I had to say the above, it substantiated the work I put into forming = the plug! hahaha) Goodnight everybody. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C27FA9.FCB02CC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:49:53 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Bench and plans KR2S Message-ID: <001801c27fcf$c986aec0$77c61b42@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C27F9D.7EA91B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How long should the bench be for the fuselage on the KR2S?? The builders = manual is rather for the know what your doing or not be able to build = this airplane. In the manual is says to draw a line on yrou table, it doesnt say where = ont he table that line shoudl go. I beleve it was refering to the center = of the table. It then says to draw the top longerons. But I am having = trouble on reading the plans, anyone that can help? Justin KR2S plans scetching ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C27F9D.7EA91B40-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:07:27 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Hennie.van.Rooyen@honeywell.com Subject: RE: KR> 4 Seater Glasair - for Ross Hi Ross, Could you please put me in contact with this guy or provide a link to a site. Thanks, Hennie "I got a lot of sympathy from a paraplegic who has built a 4 seat turbine powered Glasiar. Before I moved away he was just mounting the airfame to the engine. (His turbo prop engine is about as long as my KR fuselage from the seat to the tail). His turbine Glasair is flying now, and he is getting dual from a local instructor. He came buy to say Hi. Turns out his Glasair wet wings weeped fuel too, so he understood what a pain it is to solve wet wing fuel leaks. I figure if he can cut and stretch a Glassair to make it a 4 seater and mount an engine bigger than my KR from a wheelchair, fixing my wing fuel problems should be a piece of cake! He says his he has gotten his tuine glassair to 240Kts, but doesn't want to go full out just yet. (I'ts his 4th flight... he had a test pilot do the first flights). I'm told his climb is better than 3200FPM, but with a 60GPH fuel burn (full throttle) and 80 gal tanks, you have to plan short hops -- Ross" Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************