From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 16 Nov 2002 02:14:28 -0000 Issue 550 Date: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:14 PM krnet Digest 16 Nov 2002 02:14:28 -0000 Issue 550 Topics (messages 13190 through 13209): Re: kr> O-200A engine 13190 by: larry flesner Re: KRweight 13191 by: Willard561.aol.com Corvair Octane 13192 by: Justin 13197 by: Mark Langford 13201 by: Justin "N" numbers 13193 by: Christine Coolidge 13194 by: Mark Jones 13195 by: David Mullins Last Post as DanRH@ATT.net 13196 by: Daniel Heath What to use for Foam Adhesive 13198 by: Scott Cable 13202 by: ROBERT COOPER Registering Plans 13199 by: "" To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:55:48 -0600 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> kr> O-200A engine Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021113195548.008a7630@mail.midwest.net> At 06:38 PM 11/13/02 -0700, Elva Miller wrote: > In case anyone is interested,an O-200A engine on ebay. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872375260 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= The bid is now at $2500. The ad says (correction at the bottom) that the compression tests are in the mid 50's and mid 60's for the cylinders and states the compression is good. My I.A. wouldn't sign this puppy of I'm sure. Also there is no carb which could run you another $500 to as high as $1000 for a new one. I'm guessing $1200 to $1400 to rework the cylinders so you are probably at $5000 or better by the time you get it installed. There are lots of 0-200's around and I'd advise you to get one close to home where you can see the engine and talk to the seller or buy from someone that will stand behind it, not a "pig in a polk" on e-bay. I salvaged out a C-150 and got my 0-200 for almost free and I've put over $1000 for mags and wire harness and rebuilt the carb. It seems to run o.k. but I have yet to do a compression test so I may spend another $1200 to $1500. These babys aren't cheap so know what you're getting when you lay your money down. Larry Flesner P.S. I also have three Covair engines ($50 each) in my hangar as back up so I have a few options! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:36:46 -0500 To: garyains@kwic.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Willard561@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KRweight Message-ID: <145FA6A1.44A20277.0D33130B@aol.com> In a message dated 11/11/2002 10:19:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, garyains@kwic.com writes: > Up here , your northern cousins, can't go over gross...so I am going to ask a stupid question with the following paraphrasing: the EAA counsellor and a good pilot and builder hates composite and corvairs. They are all 'rag and tube' or aluminum or wood etc builders and Lyc and Cont. at this location.... Has anyone ever built an aluminum KR2 over a 4130 tube > frame? Gary, I know of a all aluminum KR-2 Based on KR-2 demensions & Cal Parker's Tennie 2 plans. Last time I saw it was at the Ogde3n Utah Airport. It weighed about the same as a light KR-2. Bill Higdon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:52:57 -0600 To: "KR" From: "Justin" Subject: Corvair Octane Message-ID: <000a01c28b80$8e5b0640$e8dd1818@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C28B4E.437D72C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Mark, How did that test go with running the differnt octanes and = different compression ratio. I noticed the corvair site has the borekit = which adds little to no weight but a 20% increase in HP but the need to = run 100LL. I myself also want to run pump gas at which I would not do = anything to make myself run 100LL, it is overpriced and what if I cant = get it at a small airport, (I'd be pretty screwed) Justin KR2S laying out wood ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C28B4E.437D72C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:04:30 -0600 To: "KR" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair Octane Message-ID: <003901c28be6$c11a9940$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Justin wrote: >>Hey Mark, How did that test go with running the differnt octanes and different compression ratio. I noticed the corvair site has the borekit which adds little to no weight but a 20% increase in HP but the need to run 100LL. I myself also want to run pump gas at which I would not do anything to make myself run 100LL, it is overpriced and what if I cant get it at a small airport, (I'd be pretty screwed)<< The big bore version is actually about 4 pounds lighter than the stock Corvair engine due to lighter pistons and cylinders, and have more but thinner fins. I have not personally had a chance to really test my engine's 8.4:1 compression ratio, since it's only run for an hour to break it in, and that was on a mixture of 100LL and 93 octane auto fuel. I'm not convinced that you can get away with 9:1 compression ratios on auto fuel in wide-open airplane use (especially on hot summer days), which is why I set mine at 8.4:1 for now. That's still just an educated guess though, and will require testing to determine for sure. I did a lot of research on the subject, and 8.4 is all I have the guts to try, initially. I'll do first flights on 100LL, and gradually move to pure 93 auto fuel and check for detonation (using a knock sensor). There is also a CorvAircraft list devoted to the Corvair engines in aircraft. You may subscribe by sending a message with "subscribe corvaircraft" in the body to corvaircraft-subscribe@mailinglists.org. There are several Corvair experts on the list, and experimenters working to install one in a Dragonfly, a Tailwind, KR2s, Christavia, AirCamper, and several other homebuilt aircraft. Larry Capp's excellent CorvAircraft Search Engine is located at http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch . A search for "detonation" will turn up 237 messages, and some interesting opinions on the matter. More details on Corvair engine use in airplanes, especially mine, can be seen at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/ . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:23:48 -0600 To: "KR" From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair Octane Message-ID: <000701c28c34$e2ad6e40$e8dd1818@socal.rr.com> In a subaru engine, You can run 87 octane in it but you will loose HP for sure. It has an anti-knock sensor that will retard the timing if it sence it is leading to detination. Maybe a retarded timing in the corvair will allow it to run 91 octane autogas. the difference from 91 to 100 is not much and with your 8.4:1 compression I think you will do perfect. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR" Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: Re: KR> Corvair Octane > Justin wrote: > > >>Hey Mark, How did that test go with running the differnt octanes and > different compression ratio. I noticed the corvair site has the borekit > which adds little to no weight but a 20% increase in HP but the need to run > 100LL. I myself also want to run pump gas at which I would not do anything > to make myself run 100LL, it is overpriced and what if I cant get it at a > small airport, (I'd be pretty screwed)<< > > The big bore version is actually about 4 pounds lighter than the stock > Corvair engine due to lighter pistons and cylinders, and have more but > thinner fins. I have not personally had a chance to really test my engine's > 8.4:1 compression ratio, since it's only run for an hour to break it in, and > that was on a mixture of 100LL and 93 octane auto fuel. I'm not convinced > that you can get away with 9:1 compression ratios on auto fuel in wide-open > airplane use (especially on hot summer days), which is why I set mine at > 8.4:1 for now. That's still just an educated guess though, and will require > testing to determine for sure. I did a lot of research on the subject, and > 8.4 is all I have the guts to try, initially. I'll do first flights on > 100LL, and gradually move to pure 93 auto fuel and check for detonation > (using a knock sensor). > > There is also a CorvAircraft list devoted to the Corvair engines in > aircraft. You may subscribe by sending a message with "subscribe > corvaircraft" in the body to corvaircraft-subscribe@mailinglists.org. There > are several Corvair experts on the list, and experimenters working to > install one in a Dragonfly, a Tailwind, KR2s, Christavia, AirCamper, and > several other homebuilt aircraft. Larry Capp's excellent CorvAircraft Search > Engine is located at http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch . A search for > "detonation" will turn up 237 messages, and some interesting opinions on the > matter. > > More details on Corvair engine use in airplanes, especially mine, can be > seen at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/ . > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:14:09 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Christine Coolidge Subject: "N" numbers Message-ID: <20021113.221412.-589175.0.USAUS@juno.com> All, I need a little advice. I am not a member of an EAA chapter. Should I join before trying to register my 2s and call for the inspection? I have looked on the suggested web sites and searched for variuos N numbers that i have dreamed up. If they do not show up am I free to file the form using that "N" number. Is there any way to know that the N number you have dreamed up is OK to try and register with? Scott Pfugerville, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:10:21 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> "N" numbers Message-ID: <003701c28b93$c01ee9e0$e3511f41@wi.rr.com> Scott, There is no law saying you have to be a member of EAA to register a homebuilt. However, during the building process, if you have a minimum of three visits from an EAA Technical Counselor, you may qualify for a discount on your aircraft insurance. Also, your FAA inspector may be more lenient on you if he is aware of your being coached by an EAA Technical Counselor. As far as the N number goes, you can search N number data bases for the one you desire. Reserved numbers will not show up in the data bases, only those which are permanently registered will. If you call the FAA in Oklahoma City at 405-954-3116, they will search all records for you and advise if your desired number is registered or reserved. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Coolidge" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: KR> "N" numbers > > > All, I need a little advice. I am not a member of an EAA chapter. Should > I join before trying to register my 2s and call for the inspection? > > I have looked on the suggested web sites and searched for variuos N > numbers that i have dreamed up. If they do not show up am I free to > file the form using that "N" number. > > Is there any way to know that the N number you have dreamed up is OK to > try and register with? > > Scott > Pfugerville, TX > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:40:04 -0500 From: David Mullins CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> "N" numbers Message-ID: <3DD33733.AEB854CC@attbi.com> http://www.Landings.com has search engines for registered and reserved "N" Numbers Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Mark Jones wrote: > Scott, > There is no law saying you have to be a member of EAA to register a > homebuilt. However, during the building process, if you have a minimum of > three visits from an EAA Technical Counselor, you may qualify for a discount > on your aircraft insurance. Also, your FAA inspector may be more lenient on > you if he is aware of your being coached by an EAA Technical Counselor. As > far as the N number goes, you can search N number data bases for the one you > desire. Reserved numbers will not show up in the data bases, only those > which are permanently registered will. If you call the FAA in Oklahoma City > at 405-954-3116, they will search all records for you and advise if your > desired number is registered or reserved. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Coolidge" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:14 AM > Subject: KR> "N" numbers > > > > > > > All, I need a little advice. I am not a member of an EAA chapter. Should > > I join before trying to register my 2s and call for the inspection? > > > > I have looked on the suggested web sites and searched for variuos N > > numbers that i have dreamed up. If they do not show up am I free to > > file the form using that "N" number. > > > > Is there any way to know that the N number you have dreamed up is OK to > > try and register with? > > > > Scott > > Pfugerville, TX > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:15:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Last Post as DanRH@ATT.net Message-Id: <3DD3B01B.000003.01292@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_JYKKG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_JYKKBHK0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_JYKKBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, this is my last post as DanRH@ATT.net. My DSL came last night and = I am going to hook it up tonight. I thing I am going to set up my new e-ma= il on KR-Builder so will be DanRH@KR-Builder.org.=0D =0D ATT has become so bad here that I almost never get connected at more than 40KBPS anymore and they keep cutting me off when I am trying to download = or upload pictures.=0D =0D So, hasta la vista from DanRH@ATT.net and may you all have better connections tomorrow.=0D =0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_JYKKBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  IncrediMai= l -=20 Email has finally evolved - Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_JYKKBHK0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_JYKKG6G0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:51:15 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: What to use for Foam Adhesive Message-ID: <20021114165115.58517.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> Netters, I recently purchased a KR-2S unfinished project, with a Subaru EA-81 Turbo. It is in the "open hull" boat stage, although the horizontal & elevator are built, the spars are complete. and the center spars are installed. The control stick is installed along with some of the control pullies and push / pull tubes. The rudder pedals are built, but not installed (yet). My question(s) relate to adhering the foam to the elevator, rudder, horizontal & vertical stabilizer frames. What type of adhesive should I use? Will the T-88 work for this? What is the type (brand) of epoxy adhesive used for the fiberglass layups? i.e. what brand offers the best strength to weight, ease of mixing etc.? Are there any pre-molded skins made for the elevator and rudder/verticle stab? Speaking of pre-molded skins, does anyone have the instructions for installing the premolded wing skins? I found the purchase reciept for the skins, but couldn't find the instructions on how to install them. Any ideas? Scott Cable working on contol surfaces __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:39:46 -0500 To: "Scott Cable" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> What to use for Foam Adhesive Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C28C2E.BB9CE0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott I have not seen a response to your questions yet so I will give you my op= inions and preferences. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cable Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:51 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> What to use for Foam Adhesive Netters, I recently purchased a KR-2S unfinished project, with a Subaru EA-81 Turbo. It is in the "open hull" boat stage, although the horizontal & elevator are built, the spars are complete. and the center spars are installed. The control stick is installed along with some of the control pullies and push / pull tubes. The rudder pedals are built, but not installed (yet). My question(s) relate to adhering the foam to the elevator, rudder, horizontal & vertical stabilizer frames. =20 I have used two part foam and 5 minute epoxy. It seems to take a lot of = the 5 min. epoxy and it is rather expensive. The two part foam (Wicks 200= 2 pg 22) works very well but it must be weighted or clamped as it expands= . I have also tried to use hot glue but I didn't care for it. 3M makes a = insulation spray adhesive which I have used for glueing foam to foam. I h= ave never tried it for foam to wood but it would probably work. I get it= at Lowes. What type of adhesive should I use? =20 Will the T-88 work for this? =20 What is the type (brand) of epoxy adhesive used for the fiberglass layups? i.e. what brand offers the best strength to weight, ease of mixing etc.? =20 I like aeropoxy. (Wicks pg 12) =20 Are there any pre-molded skins made for the elevator and rudder/verticle stab? Never seen any. Speaking of pre-molded skins, does anyone have the instructions for installing the premolded wing skins? I found the purchase reciept for the skins, but couldn't find the instructions on how to install them. Any ideas? Are they Deihl skins? If so go to http://www.diehlaero.com and contact Da= n and he may be able to help you. There are some construction pictures of= how Gene Byrd installed his Deihl skins on my website. =20 Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C28C2E.BB9CE0C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:08:32 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "" Subject: Registering Plans Message-ID: <8a77d026ccc04271baa5138ad4cb53ca.jpicou@pghmail.com> Hello All: I purchased an unfinished KR-2S project =2E Not much was started and I was=20 wondering, Do I need to change ownership of the plans,since it does have=20 a serial number=2E? If I do how do I accomplish this=2E Thanks Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:30:08 -0600 To: , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Registering Plans Message-ID: <002801c28c3e$270b2ce0$e3511f41@wi.rr.com> Yes you do need to register with Rand Robinson. Go to www.fly-kr-com and you will find the contact information to get in touch with Jeanette Rand to register. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: KR> Registering Plans Hello All: I purchased an unfinished KR-2S project . Not much was started and I was wondering, Do I need to change ownership of the plans,since it does have a serial number.? If I do how do I accomplish this. Thanks Jerry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:03:16 EST To: geek92@cox-internet.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> HELP! Message-ID: <17b.1192a5e4.2b05e824@aol.com> --part1_17b.1192a5e4.2b05e824_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this happened to me with my ragwing boat i used a roto zip tool to cut out the bad piece so i could scarf a new peice in used 8-1 scarf i hot glued guides on to the base of the tool so i could get a cut right on the glue joint between the spruce and the plywood hopes this helps --part1_17b.1192a5e4.2b05e824_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:27:50 -0500 To: "KRNET" From: "Art Bruce" Subject: David Hartz--Good Guy! Message-ID: <002f01c28cbb$a7021620$dea7fea9@art> ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C28C91.A65F3880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to waste the bandwidth but I wanted to report that David Hartz is = a great guy. Money I sent in May to purchase a used turtledeck was = returned. Rev. Art Bruce ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C28C91.A65F3880-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:28:41 -0500 To: "KRNET" From: "Art Bruce" Subject: David Hartz--Good Guy! Message-ID: <003301c28cbb$b00229e0$dea7fea9@art> ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C28C91.C4A83620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to waste the bandwidth but I wanted to report that David Hartz is = a great guy. Money I sent in May to purchase a used turtledeck was = returned. Rev. Art Bruce ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C28C91.C4A83620-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:56:37 -0600 To: From: "Caring Hearts EMS" Subject: Engine mount Message-ID: <000f01c28d02$a3706ba0$9ed8a93f@caringheartsems> ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C28CD0.5804F000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys just a quick question I'm planning putting a corvair engine in = my plane Will the engine in the plans work or do I have to construct a = new mount. If so were could I get plans to do so. Thanks Pat ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C28CD0.5804F000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:13:27 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Engine mount Message-ID: <00f201c28d04$fcd99a20$0100a8c0@TD310> "Pat" wrote: >>Hey guys just a quick question I'm planning putting a corvair engine in my plane Will the engine in the plans work or do I have to construct a new mount. If so were could I get plans to do so.<< The KR engine mount shown in the plans is nothing like what you need for a Corvair. I would hope that if you really tried, you'd be able to build a copy of mine from the information given at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/mount_fit.html . If you'd like one built for you William Wynne ( WilliamTCA@aol.com ) would probably build you one for something like $250. I'll bet your local welding shop would charge you way more than that even if you brought them the pieces all cut up and fitted properly, and they don't know nearly as much about it as William. You can find more information on his website at http://www.flycorvair.com/ . His manual "Corvair Flight Engines for use in Experimental Aircraft" has over 17 pages of instructions, photos, and drawings of how to build an engine mount for the Corvair engine. If you are going to put a Corvair engine for an airplane, it'll save you a bunch of questions if you go ahead and spend the $59 for this excellent work... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:10:07 -0600 To: kr From: Peg and Mike Meyer Subject: Polyester Filler Message-id: <008001c28d0c$e78e93c0$d28dfea9@o0c8u6> Howdy Boyz Here's a reprint of some info I sent along to a fellow KR builder. I'm sure this will kick a storm of controversy... > > > > By the way, you may find this bit of information interesting. A fellow 777 > driver is building a Cozy 4 (a composite 4 place canard machine) and he told > me about this polyester-type filler he used on his plane. I was a very > skepitical, because for years, I have been hearing about the evils of > polyester fill. He got the idea from the developer of the SQ-2000, another 4 > place canard machine. So I decided to give this guy a call and talk filler. > The guy I talked to was the designer and the manufacturer of SQ-2000 kits. > I'm fairly fluent in chemistry, having graduated some years ago with a > degree in chemistry. As it turns out, he really knows his stuff and talked > to me for about 30 minutes on the new generation of polyester fillers. The > advancement in polyester fillers has been quite remarkable in recent years > featuring new chemistry that makes it almost as strong as epoxy based > compounds while resisting shrinkage and breakage. It's also loaded with > microballons to make it light. This dude took several samples to a testing > facility and determined that it is every bit as acceptable and enduring as > Aeropoxy light or Super Fil. It sets up fast, can be carved with a cheese > grater and is extremely fexible. He uses it exclusively on his planes and > recommends it to the builders of his plane. My buddy with the Cozy went up > and took a look at his prototype - after 5 years the finish is virtually > flawless with no bubbles or fractures. The stuff he recommends is sold by > Napa and is made by Martin - Senour paints. The Napa numbers are 6370, > microlight filler (use this as your base coat), and 6389, Techcoat, the > finishing agent. It's light, strong, durable, easy to sand, and best of all, > dirt cheap. I bought a gallon of it and I'm going to test it out. I'll let > you know how it turns out. > > Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:14:21 -0600 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Cc: "'Peg and Mike Meyer'" Subject: Polyester Filler Message-ID: <000101c28d15$e08e7fa0$0200a8c0@schpankme> How much does it weigh (by mixed gallon) compared to Alphapoxy and Aeropoxy + Micro? Alphapoxy + micro = 3.1 lb/gal* Aeropoxy + micro = 3.8 lb/gal* Aeropoxy Light (PTM&W) = 3.8 lb/gal* SuperFil (Polyfiber) = 5.0 lb/gal* Regards, Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Polyester Filler polyester-type filler used from the developer of the SQ-2000 The advancement in polyester fillers makes it almost as strong as epoxy based compounds while resisting shrinkage and breakage. It's also loaded with microballons to make it light. This dude took several samples to a testing facility and determined that it is every bit as acceptable and enduring as Aeropoxy light or Super Fil. It sets up fast, can be carved with a cheese grater and is extremely fexible. The stuff he recommends is sold by Napa and is made by Martin - Senour paints. The Napa numbers are 6370, microlight filler (use this as your base coat), and 6389, Techcoat, the finishing agent. It's light, strong, durable, easy to sand, and best of all, it's dirt cheap. ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************