From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 19 Nov 2002 02:57:55 -0000 Issue 552 Date: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:58 PM krnet Digest 19 Nov 2002 02:57:55 -0000 Issue 552 Topics (messages 13239 through 13261): Re: the polls have closed... 13239 by: Larry A. Capps 13240 by: Larry A. Capps 13242 by: Daniel Heath 13244 by: CHOCTAWCWR.aol.com fiberglass landinggear 13241 by: Steve 13245 by: Willard561.aol.com 13246 by: Justin 13247 by: Robert X. Cringely Aft spar attach 13243 by: clappw.bellsouth.net 13248 by: ROBERT COOPER 13250 by: clappw.bellsouth.net Re: HELP! 13249 by: GARYKR2.cs.com spar attactment I gotta be blind 13251 by: Caring Hearts EMS 13253 by: larry flesner 13260 by: Caring Hearts EMS spar attactment 13252 by: larry flesner Re: the polls are open again... 13254 by: Mark Langford spars - KR2 or 2S? 13255 by: clappw.bellsouth.net 13257 by: Larry A. Capps the polls are open again - let it ride 13256 by: Larry A. Capps Re: Sanding smooth prime 13258 by: Daniel Heath 13259 by: Mark Langford Ready for Smooth Prime/sanding 13261 by: Tim Brown Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:56:54 -0600 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: RE: KR> the polls have closed... Message-ID: <000201c28ec7$4c51a390$0200a8c0@schpankme> I personally don't think 32 people represent the majority of the group and wonder why the rush to apiece one five percent of those that participate on the KRNet? Larry A. Capps -----Original Message----- ...and the YES's have it, by a margin of 20 to 12. The scary thing is that of those 20, 7 couldn't manage to follow the instructions of putting the word YES in the subject, rather than the body of the message. Of the NOs, all did it correctly. Hmmmmm. Maybe those votes should be "disqualified". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:01:39 -0600 To: , From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: the polls have closed... Message-ID: <000401c28ec7$f6c24c80$0200a8c0@schpankme> oops sorry, that response should have went to the originator - please disregard "future" reading of this from the archives >:) Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- I personally don't think 32 people represent the majority of the group and wonder why the rush to apiece five percent of those that participate on the KRNet? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:33:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> the polls have closed... Message-Id: <3DD8FA55.000001.01072@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_LG0SQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_MG0SLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_MG0SLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE>I personally don't think 32 people represent the majority of the group and=0D wonder why the rush to apiece one five percent of those that participate = on=0D the KRNet?=0D =0D Me Too, I thought the other way was more flexible, but I can go with the flow. I'm just along for the ride.=0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_MG0SLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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  IncrediMai= l -=20 Email has finally evolved - Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_MG0SLVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_LG0SQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:23:58 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> the polls have closed... Message-ID: <121.1a390595.2b0a51fe@aol.com> --part1_121.1a390595.2b0a51fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/17/02 8:28:12 PM Central Standard Time, ron.martha@mindspring.com writes: not to ride a dead horse, but havent we been down this road before! and i think if it wasnt broken dont fix it. by the time i read the email it was too late to vote. i think my chad was hung. charles robison atlanta, texas > What a pain in the butt solution for a non problem. > --part1_121.1a390595.2b0a51fe_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:50:28 -0600 To: From: "Steve" Subject: fiberglass landinggear Message-ID: <000001c28ed7$2dd14f00$291e6344@om.cox.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C28EA4.E336DF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KR netters =20 I just finish my mold for my fiberglass gear. It will be about, 72=94 from centerline of the wheels over all. Vertically will be 17=94 from bottom of fuselage to centerline of the wheels. It will also have a = 7=94 offset from the front of the main spar to the center of the wheel. Total weight will be about 20lbs. Total cost will be $200 not including form material(left over plywood). I will be ordering the glass next week and I hope to have it done by xmas. I will still need to fabricate some brackets to attach it to the spar. I think this is a great option to aluminum and the deihl setup. =20 The top part of the bow is 31=94 across. Just enough to fit inside the fuselage and accomidate a little flex. It will be mounted inside the fuselage so I can have a nice streamline bottom (the planes!!). =20 If the corvette can have fiberglass leaf springs, So can I on my KR. =20 =20 Steve Lemke Omaha, Nebraska ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C28EA4.E336DF00-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:12:22 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Willard561@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass landinggear Message-ID: <10B4893D.282EA6E3.0D33130B@aol.com> In a message dated 11/18/2002 2:50:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, slemke@cox.net writes: > KR netters > > I just finish my mold for my fiberglass gear. It will be about, 72” > from centerline of the wheels over all. Vertically will be 17” from > bottom of fuselage to centerline of the wheels. It will also have a 7” > offset from the front of the main spar to the center of the wheel. > Total weight will be about 20lbs. Total cost will be $200 not including > form material(left over plywood). I will be ordering the glass next > week and I hope to have it done by xmas. I will still need to fabricate > some brackets to attach it to the spar. I think this is a great option > to aluminum and the deihl setup. > > The top part of the bow is 31” across. Just enough to fit inside the > fuselage and accomidate a little flex. It will be mounted inside the > fuselage so I can have a nice streamline bottom (the planes!!). > > If the corvette can have fiberglass leaf springs, So can I > on my KR. > > Steve Lemke Congrates Steve, BTW The AstroVans used a composite sring also. Bill Higdon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:26:47 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass landinggear Message-ID: <000a01c28f06$25198380$e8dd1818@socal.rr.com> The Cozy 4 and long EZ etc.. have fiberglass landing gear made by the builder. Very flexable and durable stuff, another good reason fiberglass is better would be metal springs (cessna 150) tend to crack paint then rust out. Justin KR2S 1 side of fuselage with vertical members glued ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass landinggear In a message dated 11/18/2002 2:50:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, slemke@cox.net writes: > KR netters > > I just finish my mold for my fiberglass gear. It will be about, 72" > from centerline of the wheels over all. Vertically will be 17" from > bottom of fuselage to centerline of the wheels. It will also have a 7" > offset from the front of the main spar to the center of the wheel. > Total weight will be about 20lbs. Total cost will be $200 not including > form material(left over plywood). I will be ordering the glass next > week and I hope to have it done by xmas. I will still need to fabricate > some brackets to attach it to the spar. I think this is a great option > to aluminum and the deihl setup. > > The top part of the bow is 31" across. Just enough to fit inside the > fuselage and accomidate a little flex. It will be mounted inside the > fuselage so I can have a nice streamline bottom (the planes!!). > > If the corvette can have fiberglass leaf springs, So can I > on my KR. > > Steve Lemke Congrates Steve, BTW The AstroVans used a composite sring also. Bill Higdon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:11:14 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass landinggear Message-Id: Let me tell you what you also get -- a gear that is springier than you expect (lots of rebound with very little shock absorbsion), so flexible that in a hard landing a tire can hit the wing, and typically one side is stiffer than the other so the plane won't sit level and if you have wing tanks can be hard to fuel. Dan Diehl uses Scotchply for a reason and that reason is quality control that you can't duplicate at home. How did you decide the dimensions for your gear? Pazmany's landing gear book has a whole section on glass gears and is well worth reading. I hope your gear is a continuous arc (like the Golden Arches of the 1960s) because the stresses have to be spread over the entire bow and if you make it anything but a continuous arc that won't happen. You'll get stress concentrations and the gear will delaminate there. And while they don't rust, the paint often still cracks. Bob >The Cozy 4 and long EZ etc.. have fiberglass landing gear made by the >builder. Very flexable and durable stuff, another good reason fiberglass is >better would be metal springs (cessna 150) tend to crack paint then rust >out. > >Justin >KR2S 1 side of fuselage with vertical members glued >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:12 AM >Subject: Re: KR> fiberglass landinggear > > >In a message dated 11/18/2002 2:50:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, >slemke@cox.net writes: > >> KR netters >> >> I just finish my mold for my fiberglass gear. It will be about, 72" >> from centerline of the wheels over all. Vertically will be 17" from >> bottom of fuselage to centerline of the wheels. It will also have a 7" >> offset from the front of the main spar to the center of the wheel. >> Total weight will be about 20lbs. Total cost will be $200 not including >> form material(left over plywood). I will be ordering the glass next >> week and I hope to have it done by xmas. I will still need to fabricate >> some brackets to attach it to the spar. I think this is a great option >> to aluminum and the deihl setup. >> >> The top part of the bow is 31" across. Just enough to fit inside the >> fuselage and accomidate a little flex. It will be mounted inside the >> fuselage so I can have a nice streamline bottom (the planes!!). >> >> If the corvette can have fiberglass leaf springs, So can I >> on my KR. >> >> Steve Lemke > >Congrates Steve, >BTW The AstroVans used a composite sring also. >Bill Higdon > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:06:23 -0500 To: From: Subject: Aft spar attach Message-ID: <000c01c28f0b$adab6ba0$d53dd6d1@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C28EE1.C43E53C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I purchased my Kr2S with all spars ready built. I am currently working = on wing build up but ran into a small problem. The fron spars already = had the brackets installed and dihedral set - no problem there. The = aft spars however still need the brackets installed to build in the wash = out. When the aft spar was made the original owner apparently put = plywood facing on both sides of the spar from the inside end and up. = The forward side is covered to the tip and the aft side is covered up = three sections. My dilema is that if I install the brackets, they = become too wide to attach to the aft center spar. Is the rear facing = (that goes to third bay) supposed to be under the brackets (like the = forward spar is) or do I have to remove or plane off that section of = facing? ? ? Last question, manual says to varnish the spars inside and = out. I purchase some Helmsman spar urethane - supposed to be waterproof = and sunlight proof - Does this seem adequate? Bill Clapp ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C28EE1.C43E53C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:31:57 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> Aft spar attach Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C28F06.DE5CE1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill Why not add another layer of plywood to make the center spar the width yo= u need. It doesn't need to be the full length of the spar but only enough= to support the WAF's and a few inches. I would think that the waterfroof= varnish would do the job but try to keep it off any area that will be ep= oxied. I used T-88 on the inside of the spars that I built just prior to = closing. Jack Coper ----- Original Message ----- From: clappw@bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:06 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Aft spar attach I purchased my Kr2S with all spars ready built. I am currently working o= n wing build up but ran into a small problem. The fron spars already had= the brackets installed and dihedral set - no problem there. The aft sp= ars however still need the brackets installed to build in the wash out. = When the aft spar was made the original owner apparently put plywood faci= ng on both sides of the spar from the inside end and up. The forward sid= e is covered to the tip and the aft side is covered up three sections. M= y dilema is that if I install the brackets, they become too wide to attac= h to the aft center spar. Is the rear facing (that goes to third bay) su= pposed to be under the brackets (like the forward spar is) or do I have t= o remove or plane off that section of facing? ? ? Last question, manual = says to varnish the spars inside and out. I purchase some Helmsman spar = urethane - supposed to be waterproof and sunlight proof - Does this seem = adequate? Bill Clapp ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C28F06.DE5CE1C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:26:08 -0500 To: From: Subject: Fw: KR> Aft spar attach Message-ID: <001101c28f49$1c51c260$9e3dd6d1@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C28F1F.32EDD240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clappw@bellsouth.net=20 To: RFG842@aol.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: KR> Aft spar attach I looked at some pics and sure enough, some people have their spars = sheathed on both side but all the way down the length. My instructions = only specify sheating down the inside the whole length and then down the = outsides only three bays. WHy the difference? One obviously seems = stronger than the other, but there dows not seem a great differnence = between the Kr2 or the 2S - or is there? Perhaps my manual is not = complete? Bill Clapp ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RFG842@aol.com=20 To: clappw@bellsouth.net=20 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: Re: KR> Aft spar attach Bill Not a new problem; happened to me too. =20 No 1, the KR2S has the spars sheathed on both sides. =20 No 2, I built my spars to fit correctly, set them aside for a year and = when I refitted them, they needed to be sanded slightly to fit. I've = learned that in wood aircraft, if it isn't bolted together and left = bolted, it changes. No 3, depending on the mismatch, shim the stub wing spar or sand the = rear spar. Go to Diehl's website to learn how to set up the rear spar = for the wash out. On my spars I very carefully put two coats of spar varnish on = everything except where the final ply sheath didn't touch. A final = light sanding on the facing surfaces, a light coat of thinned epoxy T88 = on the entire rear surface of the ply, then glued on the final ply. =20 Any questions, be happy to help. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C28F1F.32EDD240-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:01:01 EST To: danrh@att.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> HELP! Message-ID: <170.17464530.2b0aaf0d@cs.com> In a message dated 11/11/02 7:28:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, danrh@att.net writes: << Why don't you just put a reinforcing stringer below where you think it broke. >> If you look in AC43.13 you will see how to repair a break in wood. Gluing a doubler of the same size to the broken piece is a proper repair. It is all spelled out in the book. You don't throw a whole wing out because of a cracked spar. If you need to, send me an Email and I can scan the pages and send them to you. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:27:05 -0600 To: From: "Caring Hearts EMS" Subject: spar attactment I gotta be blind Message-ID: <002401c28f51$a08fd960$76b7aeac@caringheartsems> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C28F1F.5502CC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Guys I'm test fitting my wing spars I figured out what bolts to use on the = forward spar to attach the outer spar the inter spar But I can't for = the life of me figure out which bolts to use to attach the brackets from = the outer spar to the inter spar brackets can anyone help Thanks Pat ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C28F1F.5502CC00-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:55:31 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: spar attactment I gotta be blind Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021118165531.00874690@mail.midwest.net> >I'm test fitting my wing spars I figured out what bolts to use on the forward spar to attach the outer spar the inter spar But I can't for the life of me figure out which bolts to use to attach the brackets from the outer spar to the inter spar brackets can anyone help >Thanks Pat ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pat, After my first reply I received an e-mail from another member saying the answer is 3/8" bolts. The front spar "wing attach" bolts are 3/8". Tell us again EXACTLY what you question is please! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:38:52 -0600 To: From: "Caring Hearts EMS" Subject: Re: KR> spar attactment I gotta be blind Message-ID: <001101c28f6c$6d09e480$a972a2ac@caringheartsems> Larry and fellow KRers My question is what size bolt is used to bolt the bracket on the aft spar bracket to the wing stub bracket it shows one bolt that holds them together. While at at it when I was bolting the brackets to the wing stubs some of the plywood broke around the holes that I drill it is very small splinters about 2 mm in size should I do anything or will it be ok. Thanks everyone for your help Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: KR> spar attactment I gotta be blind > >I'm test fitting my wing spars I figured out what bolts to use on the > forward spar to attach the outer spar the inter spar But I can't for the > life of me figure out which bolts to use to attach the brackets from the > outer spar to the inter spar brackets can anyone help > >Thanks Pat > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Pat, > After my first reply I received an e-mail from another member > saying the answer is 3/8" bolts. The front spar "wing attach" > bolts are 3/8". Tell us again EXACTLY what you question is > please! :-) > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:27:50 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: spar attactment Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021118162750.008ad430@mail.midwest.net> At 04:27 PM 11/18/02 -0600, you wrote: >I'm test fitting my wing spars I figured out what bolts to use on the forward spar to attach the outer spar the inter spar But I can't for the life of me figure out which bolts to use to attach the brackets from the outer spar to the inter spar brackets can anyone help >Thanks Pat ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pat, I'm going from memory here as I installed my brackets at least five or more years back. The rear spar brackets are attached to the wing spars with 3/16" bolts. The "wing attach bolts" (bracket to bracket) are also 3/16" bolts. Note that your rear spar brackets have a bend in them to accomodate the forward angle of the rear spar. If your rear spar center section already has brackets attached, and it should, you will drill the holes for the rear outer spar bracket after you have it jiged for washout and forward angle. Clamp a piece of wood to the bottom or the rear spar center section and extend it out to hold the rear outer spar at correct height while you jig everything up and use other clamps as necessary to make it work. Check drawing #19 on page 24 of your manual and note the hole spacing in the fittings. Good Luck. Larry Flesner P.S. the drawing and page # was not from memory. I looked that one up. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:09:05 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> the polls are open again... Message-ID: <052c01c28f57$7e5b3af0$0100a8c0@TD310> Larry wrote: > I personally don't think 32 people represent the majority of the group and > wonder why the rush to apiece five percent of those that participate on > the KRNet? Larry, what started this was a message from Don Stewart (Stewart Instruments) saying something like "it seems to me that the whole point of an email list is to send messages to a whole bunch of people, so why not make it automatic, since that's what you do most of the time anyway". I had to admit that he was right, and put it up for a vote on CorvAircraft. I was amazed that 4 out of 5 CorvAircrafters agreed with him, and couldn't help but think that I was being stubborn by insisting on keeping it "reply only to original sender", on both lists. I already knew that lot of KRnetters felt the same way, so I thought I'd put it up for a vote. I guess it did seem like a "rush", but the trend was kind of obvious, being 20 to 12, and I didn't see any reason it would change, since we don't have "reply-to" precincts or other anomalies on KRnet. I DID find it interesting that they were neck-and-neck early in the day, for whatever reason. But the gap has closed considerably for some reason since then. I'll tell you what. I'll leave the vote open for until this coming Sunday, which should give everybody a chance to vote. I don't think it's going to change much, but I could be wrong. I'll check it then and see what happens. Sorry for the confusion, and the mess! Back to sanding Smooth Prime... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:41:04 -0500 To: From: Subject: spars - KR2 or 2S? Message-ID: <001e01c28f5b$f647ed20$1c851442@h1x1g0> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28F32.0CDC5BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It then appears that my spars were made per KR2 instructions not 2S. If = I just add spruce ply to the outside portions of the spars should that = make me "compliant" ? What was the reason for the change if it worked = well before and the wing is basically unchanged? I will go ahead and = add the ply if necessary but would like to know if anybody knows the = reason for these changes in the plans. I will have to sand the ply down = slightly near the attach fittings to make them fit the center spar. The = front spar fits well. - Bill Clapp=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28F32.0CDC5BE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:04:55 -0600 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: spars - KR2 or 2S? Message-ID: <001401c28f5f$4af0b7f0$0200a8c0@schpankme> Bill, you will find the addition of the plywood shear-webs will greatly increase the strength of your spars, as well as provide for a crush plate when installing the WAF's. I would gather you will need no sanding to accomplish the fit-up. Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- It then appears that my spars were made per KR2 instructions not 2S. If I just add spruce ply to the outside portions of the spars s I will go ahead and add the ply I will have to sand the ply down slightly near the attach fittings to make them fit the center spar. The front spar fits well. - Bill Clapp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:59:19 -0600 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: the polls are open again - let it ride Message-ID: <001301c28f5e$82b6efc0$0200a8c0@schpankme> Mr. Langford, I'm very grateful to have you in charge of the list and meant no disrespect in my observation. I know many of us (youz guyz - for my southern friends) work out of town and allot of folks won't have a chance to check all their email messages until Friday night late or the weekend. My simple request is: don't call the vote early, until all the ballots have been counted and accounted for >:) What ever the decision, I'm willing to abide-by-it. Kindest Regards, Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL "Life should not be measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." -----Original Message----- Don Stewart saying "it seems to me that the whole point of an email list is to send messages to a whole bunch of people, so why not make it automatic, since that's what you do most of the time anyway". I couldn't help but think that I was being stubborn by insisting on keeping it "reply only to original sender", on both lists. I already knew that lot of KRnetters felt the same way, so I thought I'd put it up for a vote. I'll leave the vote open until this coming Sunday, which should give everybody a chance to vote. I'll check it then and see what happens. Mark Langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:35:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Sanding smooth prime Message-Id: <3DD9B18B.000001.01020@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_FN0TQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_GN0TLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_GN0TLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,=0D =0D I will be joining you on that soon. How does it sand? What grit are you going to use before painting?=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Monday, November 18, 2002 03:07:53 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> the polls are open again...=0D =0D Larry wrote:=0D =0D > I personally don't think 32 people represent the majority of the group = and=0D > wonder why the rush to apiece five percent of those that participate on= =0D > the KRNet?=0D =0D Larry, what started this was a message from Don Stewart (Stewart=0D Instruments) saying something like "it seems to me that the whole point o= f=0D an email list is to send messages to a whole bunch of people, so why not=0D make it automatic, since that's what you do most of the time anyway". I h= ad=0D to admit that he was right, and put it up for a vote on CorvAircraft. I w= as=0D amazed that 4 out of 5 CorvAircrafters agreed with him, and couldn't help= =0D but think that I was being stubborn by insisting on keeping it "reply onl= y=0D to original sender", on both lists. I already knew that lot of KRnetters=0D felt the same way, so I thought I'd put it up for a vote.=0D =0D I guess it did seem like a "rush", but the trend was kind of obvious, bei= ng=0D 20 to 12, and I didn't see any reason it would change, since we don't hav= e=0D "reply-to" precincts or other anomalies on KRnet. I DID find it interesti= ng=0D that they were neck-and-neck early in the day, for whatever reason. But t= he=0D gap has closed considerably for some reason since then.=0D =0D I'll tell you what. I'll leave the vote open for until this coming Sunday= ,=0D which should give everybody a chance to vote. I don't think it's going to= =0D change much, but I could be wrong. I'll check it then and see what happen= s.=0D =0D Sorry for the confusion, and the mess!=0D =0D Back to sanding Smooth Prime...=0D =0D Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama=0D mailto:langford@hiwaay.net=0D see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_GN0TLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
I will be joining you on that soon.  How does it sand?&nb= sp;=20 What grit are you going to use before painting?
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Da= niel R.=20 Heath

See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org  Clic= k on the=20 Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

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From: KRnet@mailinglists.org
Date: Monday= , November=20 18, 2002 03:07:53 PM
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
Subject: Re:= KR> the=20 polls are open again...
 
Larry wrote:

> I personally don't think = 32=20 people represent the majority of the group and
> wonder why t= he rush=20 to apiece five percent of those that participate on
> the=20 KRNet?

Larry, what started this was a message from Don Stewa= rt=20 (Stewart
Instruments) saying something like "it seems to me that= the=20 whole point of
an email list is to send messages to a whole bunc= h of=20 people, so why not
make it automatic, since that's what you do m= ost of=20 the time anyway". I had
to admit that he was right, and put it u= p for a=20 vote on CorvAircraft. I was
amazed that 4 out of 5 CorvAircrafte= rs=20 agreed with him, and couldn't help
but think that I was being st= ubborn=20 by insisting on keeping it "reply only
to original sender", on b= oth=20 lists. I already knew that lot of KRnetters
felt the same way, s= o I=20 thought I'd put it up for a vote.

I guess it did seem like a= =20 "rush", but the trend was kind of obvious, being
20 to 12, and I= didn't=20 see any reason it would change, since we don't have
"reply-to"=20 precincts or other anomalies on KRnet. I DID find it interestingthat=20 they were neck-and-neck early in the day, for whatever reason. But=20 the
gap has closed considerably for some reason since then.
<= BR>I'll=20 tell you what. I'll leave the vote open for until this coming=20 Sunday,
which should give everybody a chance to vote. I don't th= ink=20 it's going to
change much, but I could be wrong. I'll check it t= hen and=20 see what happens.

Sorry for the confusion, and the=20 mess!

Back to sanding Smooth Prime...

Mark Langford,=20 Huntsville, Alabama
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net<= BR>see=20 KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~l= angford



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  IncrediMai= l -=20 Email has finally evolved - Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_GN0TLVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_FN0TQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:04:34 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Sanding smooth prime Message-ID: <000e01c28f67$a041de70$0100a8c0@TD310> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C28F35.55410B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jDan Heath wrote: >>I will be joining you on that soon. How does it sand? What grit are = you going to use before painting?<< I will no doubt be chastised to no end for this comment, but I've been = using 50 grit sandpaper almost exclusively up to now to do all of the = basic shaping and feather sanding, leaving a little more left for finer = sandpaper. Right before priming, I went over it all with 80 grit in a = palm sander, which gives something like maybe 125 grit because of the = uniform orbital action (at least that's my opinion). I Smooth primed = the entire bottom yesterday, mostly to fill what weave there is left on = the bottom of the stub wings and the area around the NACA ducts under = aft of the cowling. =20 Right now I'm sanding the Smooth Prime down with 125 grit in the orbital = palm sander, and it looks smooth as glass. I'm sanding most of it away, = leaving nothing but smooth transitions and filled weave. Then I'll = shoot the "Ultimate 2k" urethane primer on it, which will fill the fine = scratches the rest of the way, hopefully this weekend or before, and = leave it until the final paint job, whenever that is. There are plenty = of places that are not perfect, mainly the wing stub fillets on the = bottom, but I've reached the point that I don't really care any more. I = just want to fly the thing! When I'm ready for the final paint job, = I'll go over the primer with 400 in the palm sander, and 600 on the = sponge for curvy areas, and shoot the paint on top of that. Close = enough for KR work... To answer your question, using the palm sander and Smooth Prime created = a fog of dust that has to be seen to be believed, but it's going pretty = quick. My guess is that I'll get the large areas done in under two = hours, and then another hour or two with the "sponge" sander to get the = curved areas like the stub wing fillets. I'm wearing a dust mask and = have the exhaust fan running, but it's still going to leave a huge mess. = This is something I planned to do outside during the summer, but real = work kept me too busy and now I'm stuck inside. After looking at the = mess though, I think I'll find something else to do tonight, and do an = hour's worth tomorrow during lunch (I work 12 minutes from here). I = took a photo of it earlier, right before sanding, and it's at = http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/02111805m.jpg .=20 Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C28F35.55410B80-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:57:34 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: Ready for Smooth Prime/sanding Message-ID: <20021119025734.96673.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> I have been sanding and doing very minor micro work for the past 6 weeks. Because of temps in my area, I have found it necessary to allow the micro work to wait a few days (2 or 3) before sanding. As Mark L said in an earlier post, it gums up the sand paper otherwise. My cure temp is 60 at the warmest. I will post cure in the summer. Anyway, I used 50 or 60 grit for most sanding followed by micro, a little fine tuning, then more sanding. Then when things looked good, I went to 120, found more little "fill" areas and did those. Then more sanding with 120. This last weekend I used 220 and found 2 small areas which I microed. Will 220 for what I hope to be the end on Thursday. I kicked the heater on in my garage at 80 when I got home from work a couple hours ago so things should be good and cured by bedtime. I had it on all last night at about 63. Then, this coming weekend I hope to Smooth Prime the belly and underside of the H'S and stub wings. From what I have read, I will use 120 followed by a 2d and 3d coat sanding in between. After 3 coats I plan to set her on her mains for the first time. I will be posting some new pictures this week at: http://www.geocities.com/timwbrown Thanks to all. Tim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************